Well, it’s that time of the year again. Time to sit back and reflect on what we have to be thankful for. So, I’m going to get a little personal and corny here as I share a few thank yous to a few folks.
Thanks to the Lorraine Maguires and the Jane Bovards of the world. Both of these amazing women represent many other women who for years ran abortion clinics. Lorraine was in Charleston and Jane was in Fargo, North Dakota. Unless you have been involved in the provision of abortion services, you cannot possibly comprehend the torture that these women went through for years at the hands of the anti-abortion movement. Like many of their peers, they and their family were terrorized, stalked, harassed, and threatened with bodily harm on a regular basis. At the same time, they were helping 30 or so women a week who had just made one of the most difficult decisions of their lives. Today, both of these women are no longer at their clinics, having passed the baton on to the next generation. But their endurance and, yes, courage is to be commended. I thank you both and those who you represent.
Thanks to David Gunn, Jr. On March 10, 1993 David’s father, Doctor David Gunn, was murdered by an anti-abortion terrorist. The murder was the first that targeted an abortion provider and it made national news. Over the next few months, this shy young man became a symbol for the abortion provider movement. He regularly appeared on television shows, never wavering in his commitment to convince the Clinton administration that the murder of his father was an act of domestic terrorism. He became our national spokesman and ultimately had a private audience with President Clinton on the day that Clinton signed into law the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act. A year later, David gave the keynote speech at a gathering of abortion clinic workers at the site of his father’s assassination. I have never been to a more emotional and scary (Paul Hill was there) event in my life. The last I heard several years ago was that David was selling insurance. Thanks, David, for stepping up at a very difficult time.
Thanks to the owners/managers of www.Abortion.com, for providing women a wonderful directory of reputable abortion facilities. As the recent case in Philadelphia shows, there are bad apples in this field as there are in every other field. And, unfortunately, some women are desperate and do not have the resources so they wind up going to the cheapest doctor in town, which might not necessarily be the best thing. The facilities that are listed on www.Abortion.com have been vetted thoroughly, so women should feel comfortable making appointment at those clinics. This domain name could have been used for many other purposes, perhaps for political action. Heck, the anti-abortion movement could have gotten it! Thanks to those involved who secured the name and converted it into a useful tool for women seeking abortions.
Thanks to the doctors: George Tiller, Lee Carhart, Sue Wicklund, Bill Knorr, Randy Whitney, Richard Manning, Gary Boyle, Buck Williams, Bart Slepian. Thanks to Medical Students for Choice.
Thanks to the activists: Frances Kissling of Catholics for a Free Choice, Eleanor Smeal, Jane’s List, Senators Lowell Weicker, Bob Packwood and Barbara Boxer.
Finally, thanks to the abortion clinics that gave me the privilege of working for them for so many years.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone – I mean everyone – who reads my blog!
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November 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm
And thanks to your work in supporting choice and providing a forum for those who respect women’s choice.
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November 21, 2011 at 1:02 pm
I second that Notion!
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November 21, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Thanks, Marty and Ira! I have to say I’ve really enjoyed writing this blog!
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November 21, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Good! You do a great job Pat!
I read it every day.
Best abortion blog that I have seen!
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February 9, 2014 at 6:35 am
La shot des souliers est ellxceente! Le divan rouge est un tre8s belle accessoire! Je suis pas un fan de mauve, mais le drap mauve est efficace aussi, ca donne une richesse inte9ressante aux photos.
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April 22, 2014 at 7:18 am
Me dull. You smart. That’s just what I needed.
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November 21, 2011 at 5:42 am
And thanks to the self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” whose mindless insistence on sex only for procreation ensures that we have an ample supply of mothers who don’t care that their children be used for cannon fodder or become terrible people.
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November 21, 2011 at 5:47 am
That’s another topic possibility, Pat: why the emphasis on sex for procreation only?
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November 21, 2011 at 1:05 pm
I’m guessing it is a result of hierarchical control of religion creating morality as an expression of convenience.
Everybody wants to have sex, and they needed more kids, for farms and wars, so if you are going to spill sacred seed might as well procreate.
The Church did not care that the Maternal Mortality rate was 1,200/100,000 just over 100 years ago.
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November 21, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Hmmm. Ira might be on to something here…
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November 21, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Geez, Charles, I’m not sure why they emphasize that, i’d have to do some research. Maybe if there is pro-lifer reading this, they can help us out.
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November 21, 2011 at 4:55 pm
i don’t know any lifers who believe in sex for procreation only.
i became pro-life long before i was a religious zealot.
but even now, if i hadn’t made a vow of celibacy and were sexually active, it would not be for pro-creation only.
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November 22, 2011 at 4:04 am
Roggie…When I think of you I don’t classify you as a “religous zealot”…a lifer yes! But to me there is a bieg difference!!!
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November 22, 2011 at 6:35 am
I agree with Lorraine…
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November 22, 2011 at 6:38 pm
I agree Lorraine. Rogelio is the only pro lifer I am not completely disgusted by as I read this blog.
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November 27, 2011 at 11:42 pm
andrea,
thank you for your kind words. anyone facing an unwanted pregnancy merits compassion, not condemnation.
the way to prevent someone facing this dilemma is by embracing them and listening with an open heart and an open mind as to what is going on in their lives that make them seek an abortion, and trying to help them overcome those obstacles.
there will always be times when there is nothing that anyone can do to help, and the woman or couple will choose abortion, and to them, i sincerely say god bless them and peace be with them anyway.
also, i have found that after the abortion, the underlying reason (s) they sought an abortion remains.
i believe that they should be offered help overcoming those situations anyway, simply because it is the right thing to do.
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February 8, 2014 at 4:52 pm
disse…:Oii Garettes!!!!Obaaa!!! Que bom que vc gostou do blog!!!! A gente fica muito feliz de ter um rnteroo como esse! c9 mto bom saber que nossa misse3o este1 sendo cumprida qdo algue9m diz que vem aqui se inspirar.. :))Mtooooo obrigada pelo carinho!! Sempre que der vontade, dea um pulinho aqui ok? Bjosss
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February 9, 2014 at 1:22 am
– yeahh ve9ro, tes photos d’Anaefs et Dimitri sont sueprs !!! et c’est sfbre qu’on se reverra bientf4t !!! j’ai d’ailleurs une petite ide9e bien sympa de rencontre bisous ma ve9ro
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November 22, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Hi, rogelio!
Dunkle was definitely a “sex for procreation only” with his “mutual masturbation” definition of contraception. It would seem any self-proclaimed “pro-lifer” who is against contraception is of the “sex for procreation only” ilk.
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November 27, 2011 at 11:44 pm
DOH!
you’re right, IT does call for sex for procreation only, didn’t IT?
i am sure that ITS wife supports sex for that reason as well, but one can hardly fault her for that.
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February 8, 2014 at 12:58 am
Until I found this I thhgout I’d have to spend the day inside.
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April 8, 2014 at 8:31 am
Thought it wouldn’t to give it a shot. I was right.
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November 21, 2011 at 10:03 am
Great abortion info:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Abortioncom/114710445267687
Interesting series of articles on Abortion.
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November 21, 2011 at 10:58 am
I have only one word for you and your thinking….SICK! Thanksgiving is about thanking our Lord for the all the great blessings in our lives. Thanking him for murderer’s is an abomination! ie: hands that shed innocent blood comes to mind! please remember that, as you sit around the table looking at your children and think of all the children that won’t enjoy a thanksgiving dinner with their families because they have been murdered. “How Many At Your Table Are Missing”? That would be the title of MY blog!
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November 21, 2011 at 11:04 am
You’ve got it all wrong NOWSIE. God loves all her children dead and alive.
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November 21, 2011 at 11:56 am
@NowISalie you are so right. This is just insane!
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November 21, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Karine, am I mistaken, but aren’t you the one that said everyone should be alowed one abortion?
Or was that LauraAnn?
You ProLifers are all over the place in your beliefs it is hard to know what you’all think.
Some ProLifers want to get rid of ALL birth control, some think that every women should be allowed one abortion. That is a big chasm of thought.
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November 21, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Yeah, I thought Karine was okay with abortion???
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November 25, 2011 at 10:43 am
Karine is not smart enough to answer questions. Karine only makes outlandish accusations. If she were educated she would offer up some objective fact.
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November 21, 2011 at 1:41 pm
I was giving thanks to the really nuttiest of the screwball ProLifers as they harm their cause so much, and made me think for a moment about the insinuation of a soul at the time of fertilization – by their own admission that is what most of them believe.
So if a fertilized egg gets a soul. And then it splits, into monozygotic twins …. What happens to the soul? Is it like the Genious Judge Soloman that said cut the baby in half? Does each cell get half a soul? Or does your mythical deity trade it out like a used car part, for a two for one special?
Please back this up with objective data.
Keep up the good work disenfranchising the ProLife movement from the rest of society. We should all thank you wackos.
Tx!
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November 21, 2011 at 2:17 pm
That’s an interesting question, Evan, never really thought about it that way!
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November 22, 2011 at 8:11 am
I asked my Priest.
He said one cell takes the first soul, then the splitting off cell gets a new soul.
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November 25, 2011 at 10:44 am
Ingenious Andrea. How does your Priest know that?
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November 21, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Interesting, NOWISALIE…But you are right, this thanksgiving I’ll think about all of the little Charlie Mansons, Timothy McVeighs and Osama Bin Ladens that weren’t at the table this year. What an incredibly ridiculous argument. Seriously, do you acknowledge that some babies that were allowed to be born might actually not be so nice????
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November 21, 2011 at 4:49 pm
>>>“How Many At Your Table Are Missing”? That would be the title of MY blog!<<<
well, this isn't your blog.
it's pat's blog, pat is a choicer and the blog is for choicers.
but they allow us to come and post.
i wouldn't like it very much if i had a blog and the choicers came and showed me the same disrespect you are showing them.
get your head out of your backside and start your own blog if you're going to have a perpetual hissy fit about what the choicers say.
or better yet, just stfu. you're harming the pro-life cause with your vitriol.
have a blessed day! 🙂
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November 22, 2011 at 6:38 am
Actually, Rogie, while I am pro-choice I would not say this blog is for choicers. It really is for both sides. I just want to get out as much information about the ABORTION issue (not “choice”) and let the chips fall where they may. And I want to have a conversation with those who are pro-life, a civil one.
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November 27, 2011 at 11:46 pm
i stand corrected. you are very gracious to be sure.
so on that npte, i amend my reply to nowisalie to read simply:
“just stfu. you’re harming the pro-life cause with your vitriol.
have a blessed day! 🙂 “
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November 22, 2011 at 4:14 am
Now…when you talk abt “all the children that won’t enjoy Thanksgiving because they were murdered” Are you speaking abt the “children” that have been murdered by perverts and lately by their parents???? Because those are children that needed help and “little ones” that still need help!! The ones murdered by their parent(s) were murdered because the parent was NOT capable of loving..or caring for it!!! That is the innocebt blood that comes to my mind!!!
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November 21, 2011 at 11:47 am
You guys got to be joking. I will forward this to all my pro life friends so they can have a laugh.
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November 21, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Why do you want them to laugh at you?
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November 21, 2011 at 1:37 pm
No Ira, they will laugh at the audacity of this blog author. Thanksgiving shouldn’t be a time to thank a human being for killing another, the post is all wrong.
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November 21, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Thanksgiving is a time to reflect on all that one is thankful for, be it abortion providers, car mechanics or veterinarians at the zoo. Fortunately, prolifers cannot dictate how people give thanks.
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November 25, 2011 at 10:45 am
I’m laughing at Karine. Karine cannot make one simple point.
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November 21, 2011 at 1:12 pm
I Found a doctor at Abortion.com that as part of her practice was willing to provide abortion care in her office.
She was really great, took wonderful care of me, and she is my regular Gynecologist now. I am very thankful.
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November 21, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Nice, good for you Francis. I believe doctors should be thanked for the work they do but in this case I feel disgusted.
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November 21, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Oh don’t feel too bad, Karine. Are you disgusted with Francis? Why dont you tell her how disgusting she is, how horrible she is, how she is going to hell? Hey, why not find out where she lives and picket her house?
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November 22, 2011 at 9:35 am
Look who is sounding like a psycho! Pat give me a break, you are trying to put words in my mouth better yet at my finger tips, this is horrible. I did not say she was disgusting I said the situation was disgusting, the article YOU wrote was inappropriate thought you always accused the pro lifers of doing such things, very disappointing.
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November 22, 2011 at 12:05 pm
I’m disgusted by the Pro Lifers on this blog as they make all of us look bad.
Rogelio seems to have his wits about him.
The far right Pro Lifers just hurt our cause!
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November 25, 2011 at 10:46 am
Karine and people like that certainly harm the Pro Life cause.
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November 27, 2011 at 11:48 pm
YOU chose your words, karine, not anyone else.
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November 21, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Thanks, Francis. I’m glad you found a good doctor. The abortion.com website is a great resource, as I said in my piece. I thank our lucky stars that the pro-lifers did not buy it.
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November 21, 2011 at 2:54 pm
I’m thankful for all the women who have lived because they had access to safe abortion. I’m thankful to all the women who are courageous and compassionate about the children they already have and make the moral decision to terminate an unplanned pregnancy. I’m thankful to all the volunteers across this nation who support the men and women who do the difficult task of providing health care to women in need, despite all the hate, prejudice and violence that surrounds them. And last, but not least, I’m thankful that this blog keeps the conversation about abortion out in the public where it should be.
No woman should lose her life to create a new one.
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November 21, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Thanks for the thanks, Kate. And I could have easily named Jen Boulanger, Claire, Peg, etc.!
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November 21, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Every minute, at least one woman dies from complications related to pregnancy or childbirth – that means 529 000 women a year. In addition, for every woman who dies in childbirth, around 20 more suffer injury, infection or disease – approximately 10 million women each year.
Five direct complications account for more than 70% of maternal deaths: haemorrhage (25%), infection (15%), unsafe abortion (13%), eclampsia (very high blood pressure leading to seizures – 12%), and obstructed labour (8%). While these are the main causes of maternal death, unavailable, inaccessible, unaffordable, or poor quality care is fundamentally responsible. They are detrimental to social development and wellbeing, as some one million children are left motherless each year. These children are 10 times more likely to die within two years of their mothers’ death.
This excerpt from WHO is offered here as a bit of sobering thought for those who are so carelessly myopic about their sacred fetus fetishes. How about the sacred women who die? How about the sacred children they leave behind when they die of complications? Hmmmm?
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November 21, 2011 at 3:39 pm
They dont care, Kate, they just dont care….it’s all about control over women…
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November 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm
The circumstances you described above are of women who choose to be pregnant no one forced them to have it and if they die from complications oh well that is life… people die everyday it is a fact of life but to kill is different.
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November 21, 2011 at 4:51 pm
how christlike of you
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February 8, 2014 at 12:55 pm
I visited a lot of webitse but I think this one holds something special in it. Silence is the perfectest herald of joy I were but little happy, if I could say how much. by William Shakespeare.
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November 21, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Like I said, carelessly MYOPIC. The reality that women die is the point, Karine. Not everyone leads a well-ordered life according to your little rule book.
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November 22, 2011 at 6:41 am
“oh well” if they die because you chose to make abortion unsafe? Are you kidding me? Exactly what kind of Christian are you, Karine? In all my years in this movement, I’ve never heard a pro-lifer say something like that. I’m actually starting to feel sorry for you and I can certainly picture you…
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November 22, 2011 at 9:41 am
Please Pat, you are confusing me. Kate was talking about women who die from complications of pregnancy in general not just the women who get bad abortions. People die everyday is a fact of life. my “oh well” was just like saying that is nothing that we can do. Man you are just like trying to paint the worst picture of me possible, but that is Ok, I stand by what I said and don’t really care about what you and your pro choice (for killing of a child) has to say or think of me.
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November 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Karine,
As a fellow ProLifer I beg you to stop.
You make the rest of us appear terrible.
You are very difficult to understand. You also appear to be out of the mainstream movement, just making it impossible to get good work done.
Please don’t write your poorly worded and non supported opinions?
If you cared at all about the Pro Life cause you would be ashamed of the things you have written. The questions you have not answered. The way that you do not behave in a manner that Christ would have. . .
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November 27, 2011 at 11:51 pm
>>>Man you are just like trying to paint the worst picture of me possible<<<
given the picture YOU paint of yourself, anyone else attempting to do so would fail miserably by comparison.
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November 22, 2011 at 5:16 am
Amen!!! Pat…Amen!!! I suspect that there are many women…who chose to carry their pregnancy to term… out of fear that they would be chastised by family & friends!!! Because of the “climate” that the “anti-choicers” have set-up!!!
As I said in an earlier post…These are the young women that murder their babies at birth…or they wait a couple of years…?? perhaps mix up some “concoction of ingredients”…give it to their little girl…who is looking up at her with those trusting little eyes…”drink it up like a good little girl…then I will give you a cookie!!”….then OH!! NO!! She’s dead!! “What should I do??” “I can’t help her now!!” I know!!…I’ll just wrap her in her blanket… throw her in the woods down the street!!! `Cause I need to get to the club…my “bar girl job…is waiting for me!!!
That story is repeated daily!! Remember “Cindy…the Mom” upon finding out abt the pregnancy said…”abortion was NOT an option”….Karine….who should be thanked for that “little child’s life”???
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November 21, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Well said, Kate, but we know you can’t reason people out of positions they didn’t reason themselves into.
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November 21, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Oh, I dont know, Marty. It is quite possible that a few of them really had some experiences that made them become pro-life. Heck, it is possible that a few of them had bad experiences or now “regret” their abortions when they had them at that time when they felt it was a good thing to have a “choice.”
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November 21, 2011 at 4:18 pm
This regret stuff seems to be coming from a perspective of victimhood. So why not regret something you did long ago and something you thought was a good idea? It’s a shortcut to emotional maturity and stability—play the victim card, wallow in self pity or, alternately, put your big girl panties on and grow up.
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November 21, 2011 at 4:59 pm
once someone comes to terms with something that they regret, the victimization is over.
the regret might still be there, but it is possible to be at peace with the situation.
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February 10, 2014 at 6:44 am
Great bloggers must think alike. I pseotd a story on moodboards this week as well on alamodeus.net. I always enjoy your blog and really like the scheme of this bedroom inspiration. Keep up the great work!
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November 22, 2011 at 5:55 am
I know someone on this blog whose gf had an abortion although they were in agreement at the time…they regretted having the abortion soon after! I can only say that when you carefully think out the issue of abortion…then decide to terminate….from point forward…You can NOT look back to the “what ifs”!!
You have to move forward…if you were NOT using a method of BC start..if you were than switch!! If there were different circumstance’s… change whatever you need too!! …then move forward!!
Be sure to make choice’s that “boost you up!!” Decisions that will improve your life!!! But when you make an important decision in your life…you use the information you have at the time!! You can NEVER go back and re-write history!!!
Pat..Thank you for your kind words!! It is funny that you would write that now…I have spent the last week getting ready for the holidays…I was going through a bunch of my papers and boxing them up..for my granddaughters!! I was reading through a deposition for the last federal case I was involved in…I was reading some of it to my husband and he said “Stop!! I don’t want to re-live that!! I will start having nightmare’s again!! It was very hard on my family…perhaps more than I realized at the time…but it is/was something that we believed in…and very committed too!! Just as in the beginning I wrote abt “my friend” that changed his mind after their abortion…After my abortion prior to 1973 I swore that my nursing career would be in the field of OB/GYN and I would work to see that NO woman ever again needed to be faced with the prospect of abortion that was anything other that SAFE & LEGAL!!
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November 22, 2011 at 6:45 am
LIke I said, Lorraine, we appreciate everything you did for women in those days, despite the terrorism inflicted on you and your family (and please, pro-life people, do not waste your time retorting “what about the terrorism being inflicted on the baby!!)
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November 27, 2011 at 11:52 pm
lorriepoo,
you are beautiful, my friend.
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November 21, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Reason is key, Marty. You’re so right. You can’t unlock their position with reason that which is not built on reason.
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November 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Karine, the circumstances Kate described are not just for women who chose to become pregnant. Many live in places where they are forced by the rules of their society to submit to sex, and if pregnancy results, it is God’s will. Even in the USA, there are religions which teach that a woman must not say no to her husband.
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November 22, 2011 at 6:46 am
Makes you wonder if Karine has ever had a sexual relationship. Rather naive, Karine, rather naive…
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November 22, 2011 at 9:43 am
Oh Pat, you are disgusting me everytime more and more.
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November 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Karine you do appear rather Naive.
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November 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Well, then, Karine, why not move on? Why not take better care of yourself than you are by lurking and spewing on this blog and making yourself disgusted? I doubt that you are as disgusted as you are self-righteous, arrogant, and, yes, carelessly myopic.
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November 22, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Because apparently I like to be bullied by the pro choice movement!
I stick around just to see what comes out of the minds of people that support the right of a women killing her unborn child. Like I said before I don’t think abortion should be banned but I also don’t thing we should have machines making money out of the issue on both ends.
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November 22, 2011 at 2:32 pm
So if you feel abortion is wrong, and Murder – Capital Offense – Why do you think it is OK sometimes?
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November 22, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Well, this is interesting. Karine now thinks abortion shouldn’t be banned??? But aren’t they killing those little babies? Are you saying it’s okay to kill those little babies as long as it’s done as a non profit venture?
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November 22, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Karine,
Please explain yourself.
You are making Pro Lifers in general look like foolish idiots, and I do not appreciate that!
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November 25, 2011 at 10:49 am
Could you translate, Karine? You do not make any sense.
This is a perfect example of a Pro Lifer never answering a question properly. They are just not smart enough in general.
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February 9, 2014 at 3:06 pm
Looove your moodboard!!!!Your blog is abotulsly one of my favourit!!!!!! Im so glad everytime you leave a comment on my side!i am so bad at leaving comments , im in here almost everyday an sneak around=))) you are so kind. Have the best day! Hugs Johanna
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November 23, 2011 at 9:43 am
For the record, I do not put up the pictures on this blog. So, I gotta say that the picture of a turkey with a caption “Abortion Thanks” is a little weird 🙂
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November 27, 2011 at 11:54 pm
i thought the caption was funny. 🙂
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November 24, 2011 at 5:39 pm
so if what karine says is true, its okay to commit the massacres, that the pro life movement is against?
just as long as no one makes money off of their hard work, (to be doctors, business men) make something of their lives helping women make the hardest decision of their lives..
my wife went through this asking me do we keep it, take our chances…
she said maybe you can go to school, i can work and then later ill go….
does this sound like a good plan? to ruin the chance to be an engineer or a doctor?
its sad the ideal is not a life to you Karine, its a monetary figure.
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November 25, 2011 at 6:56 am
Well, actually, Jerry, Karine’s desire to see abortion be untainted by the macula of commercial taint might come from a willingness to build that bridge that Pat hopes for: Karine originally came on here as repulsed by abortion and now has stated that it is acceptable under a certain condition. Given our culture, it’s a hopelessly idealistic condition, but she has changed her position.
Your points about parents needing the means to care for their children is well taken, but it is bound to be attacked by self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” as selfish: Their patron saint, Gianna Baretta Molla, chose to risk dying from pregnancy rather than to live to care for her child who died two years after she did. The patron saint of aborticentrism. (Full disclosure: she did not die from that pregnancy, unless it was postpartum complications. Jesus was just really determined to call her home, that’s all.) Why you and your spouse would want to be able to raise your children well is beyond them.
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November 25, 2011 at 10:02 pm
yeah it just seems as though she contrives these ideals, like many pro lifers do, but how do you argue it, all i can say is that no matter what someone can die in this situation, they believe that people can make these changes, in society, to take care of kids, puppies and all the “animals” that don’t have homes.
well when you figure out “pro lifers,” what can be done let us know other wise we will prevent death at birth, long winded, unnecessary obligation to financial deficit. where does this make sense?
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November 26, 2011 at 8:27 am
google aborticentrism to understand where they are coming from, why they are so intransigent, so resistant to logic, so fierce in clinging to illusion, so indifferent to the needs of children, so passionate in caring about the one segment of life that they cannot care for in the least.
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March 1, 2017 at 1:45 am
My one reservation about altbpheaizing the lists was finding ANGER and AVARICE listed among the 7 deadly sins. But having the five others clearly be the firsts of their lists swayed me toward COLOSSUS as well.Week five will be a bear if this week is any indication of what’s to come!
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