Komen Abortion
Well, the folks at the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation really put their foot in it, didn’t they?
I’ve always thought they were a good group, those pink ribbon folks. Great cause, raise lots of money, good PR machine. But then they installed this Karen Handel as VP of Public Affairs and, as we’ve now discovered, she’s had a thing for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) for years. When she ran for Governor in Georgia in 2010, she actually said that she is “pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood.” What I can’t understand is why the board at the Foundation would hire someone with a clear right wing agenda in the first place. What were they thinking?
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So, somewhere along the line, the Foundation’s Board of Directors adopted a policy saying they would not fund any group that was “under investigation.” Geez, I wonder who put that on the agenda? Then, when the resolution was being discussed, at one point it was made clear that, if the Board adopted the new rule, the approximately $700,000 in annual funds to PPFA would be on the chopping block. And this was all because some yahoo congressman from Florida named Cliff Stearns, a 100% right to lifer, held a hearing on PPFA’s financial practices in the hopes of trying to determine if they were using federal dollars to provide abortions. I worked on Capitol Hill for years – I can tell you that Stearns’ prime motivation was not necessarily to uncover something, although that would have been a nice by-product for him, but rather to make a name for himself in the right to life community. Then, you watch, very soon he will be going to them to ask for a few more extra campaign dollars.
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Still, someone at the Foundation (guess who?) learned about this sham hearing and came up with the idea of using it to pursue an anti-PPFA agenda. OMG! They are being investigated (which if I recall is not a conviction). Off with their heads!
Then the poop hit the fan.
The first thing I have to do is give the anti-abortion movement credit – they are tenacious. They wake up I the morning trying to figure out another way to hurt women, uh, excuse me, save the babies and they do not let go. And in this case, while I cannot prove it, their fingerprints are all over this decision by the Foundation.
But I don’t necessarily feel sorry for PPFA. That’s because within hours, their own PR machine went into overdrive and the money started pouring in. If you saw the implorations for money, you would have thought that thousands of women were standing in line to get mammograms (even though most PPFA clinics just refer for mammograms) and, unless folks sent money yesterday, those women would be left out in the cold. And, as I write this, with the pre-pre-pre Super Bowl program in the background, PPFA has raised more money than the Komen folks were giving them in the first place and now we know that Komen has reversed their decision.
So, now that PPFA can get their money from Komen again, my only question is will they be returning all of the money that they raised?
Hmmmmmmm….
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February 5, 2012 at 5:38 pm
the fact that an investigation not being a conviction is an excellent one.
i know my own opinion is biased, but i can honestly say that i think that funds that would go to NAF clinics for the purpose of fighting breast cancer through the proposed measures would be used solely for that purpose, whereas i can’t say the same with PP.
still, i think any investigation should be fair and impartial, not that the estado unidenses give a happy damn what i think about their politics.
if komen had stated their position as wanting to give the funds directly to facilities that directly perform the mammograms, nobody would have questioned it. but to list reasons that have PP convicted during an investigation is obviously political and hence the firestorm.
but from what i’m reading from komen’s alleged “change of heart”, it doesn’t sound like anything has changed.
komen already had stated that they would be honoring all previously contracted grants, which includes those of PP.
but komen’s press release said nothing that PP’s didn’t. it simply changed the words around.
i’m not so sure that they changed their minds
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February 6, 2012 at 10:32 am
Actually, Rogie, what is means is that PPFA now can APPLY for the grants. Come to think of it, i wonder if that means that the grant applications could be denied?
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February 6, 2012 at 7:23 pm
EXACTAMENTE!
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February 5, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Right on, rogelio!
Next year Komen will cut the funding for PP and nobody will even notice.
The only problem is how much more they are going to let their hatred and fear of abortion cloud their judgment.
I am going to keep our local Komen Foundation field office apprised of any continued aborticentrism. There won’t be a single Race for the Cure in this entire state if the field office gets teed off.
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February 6, 2012 at 6:28 am
OK, here’s what I’ve read about the whole fiasco: Komen made several missteps with their brand when they used their flimsy rationale to severe ties if an entity is involved is under investigation. Penn State is under investigation and so is Bank of America. But there was no mention of severing ties with either entity. Their brand has definitely been tarnished by this PR crisis.
Karen Handel is so anti abortion, anti gay it’s sad. Her tweets, like “Cry me a freaking river” are posted and deleted but not before screen grabs go viral. There are outside demands from petitioners to fire her from Komen. Right wing extremism galvanized the public to fight back
Anti abortion, pro Komen folks believed Komen was bullied. Puh lease.
Agree with you Pat, those right wingers are tenacious, transparent, but tenacious. Tenacious hateful, misogynists.
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February 6, 2012 at 7:05 am
my understanding about the deal with penn state is that the contract that komen has with them is being honored, just as the existing ones with PP are.
PP’s press release said the same thing regarding existing contracts. that komen had with them.
komen put out a new press release and said that existing contracts would be honored and coming from them, it sounded as though they changed their mind. but to me, it doesn’t sound like anything new had been said.
it is interesting that so many people relate komen with PP.
i was selling tickets for a fundraiser for a local free clinic and one of the sponsors for the clinic is komen.
some people in my parish were shocked and trying to state that supporting the free clinic in that manner would be supporting PP, simply because komen sponsors both.
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February 6, 2012 at 7:07 am
oops, for some reason i have to log in each time i post. that was from rogelio
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February 6, 2012 at 10:35 am
Agree that they were not “bullied” into this. There was an agenda by someone and they got caught. I”m just surprised that they didn’t have a crisis management team ready. It looked very bad on the first day when no one was commenting from the foundation.
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February 6, 2012 at 10:33 am
i think you are right, Charles. if the grants were denied all across the board across the country, maybe someone would notice but if it’s denied clinic by clinic, a few here and there, no one will notice.
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February 9, 2014 at 8:18 am
There are many things in the citstonution that are very interestingly interpreted when it comes to creating law. It’s a ridiculous and short-sighted approach to immediately flip out and talk about deficit spending (usually due to a very overbearing, sheltered male influence who consistently regurgitates the moron pundits and knows jack all about economics) not to mention sad, coming from a female. We find plenty of money for corporate welfare and strange religious groups, but it never ceases to amaze me how quickly republican women will lash out against other ladies in some sort of frenzied hate speech. The best trick republicans ever pulled in this country was convincing so many people to vote against their own freedom/prosperity over and over again. Great post.
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February 6, 2012 at 6:14 am
Obvious again – you can learn more about baby murder from a committed killers’ helper than you can from almost any prolifer. Listen to what my buddy Pat Richards says about the Komen/Planned Parenthood fiasco:
Well, the folks at the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation really put their foot in it, didn’t they?
I’ve always thought they were a good group, those pink ribbon folks. Great cause, raise lots of money, good PR machine. But then they installed this Karen Handel as VP of Public Affairs and, as we’ve now discovered, she’s had a thing for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) for years. When she ran for Governor in Georgia in 2010, she actually said that she is “pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood.” What I can’t understand is why the board at the Foundation would hire someone with a clear right wing agenda in the first place. What were they thinking?
So, somewhere along the line, the Foundation’s Board of Directors adopted a policy saying they would not fund any group that was “under investigation.” Geez, I wonder who put that on the agenda? Then, when the resolution was being discussed, at one point it was made clear that, if the Board adopted the new rule, the approximately $700,000 in annual funds to PPFA would be on the chopping block. And this was all because some yahoo congressman from Florida named Cliff Stearns, a 100% right to lifer, held a hearing on PPFA’s financial practices in the hopes of trying to determine if they were using federal dollars to provide abortions. I worked on Capitol Hill for years – I can tell you that Stearns’ prime motivation was not necessarily to uncover something, although that would have been a nice by-product for him, but rather to make a name for himself in the right to life community. Then, you watch, very soon he will be going to them to ask for a few more extra campaign dollars.
Still, someone at the Foundation (guess who?) learned about this sham hearing and came up with the idea of using it to pursue an anti-PPFA agenda. OMG! They are being investigated (which if I recall is not a conviction). Off with their heads!
Then the poop hit the fan.
The first thing I have to do is give the anti-abortion movement credit – they are tenacious. They wake up I the morning trying to figure out another way to hurt women, uh, excuse me, save the babies and they do not let go. And in this case, while I cannot prove it, their fingerprints are all over this decision by the Foundation.
But I don’t necessarily feel sorry for PPFA. That’s because within hours, their own PR machine went into overdrive and the money started pouring in. If you saw the implorations for money, you would have thought that thousands of women were standing in line to get mammograms (even though most PPFA clinics just refer for mammograms) and, unless folks sent money yesterday, those women would be left out in the cold. And, as I write this, with the pre-pre-pre Super Bowl program in the background, PPFA has raised more money than the Komen folks were giving them in the first place and now we know that Komen has reversed their decision.
So, now that PPFA can get their money from Komen again, my only question is will they be returning all of the money that they raised?
Hmmmmmmm….
Karen Handel! Cliff Stearns! I waded through lots of prolife comment before I learned the names of these two heroes.
I also learned that Obama is in for his second term and became more convinced that peaceful, quiet prayer, with the vary occasional outbreak of force, just ain’t cutting it as we prolifers race towards our deaths living through the most vicious holocaust the world has ever known.
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February 6, 2012 at 10:38 am
Hey, Johnny boy!
Thanks for the PR. What the heck are you talking about with that Obama comment? Could you elaborate?
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February 6, 2012 at 3:55 pm
What is the deal with the 2nd Term prediction for Obama? Is it a realization tha the insanity of the Personhood pledges by the standard GOP cannot even survive in Mississippi, or that if the GOP gets Romney the, primary, they still don’t have the far right candidate they want?
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February 6, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Obama’s a walk-in. Even the Republicans know he’s second-rate. The campaign this summer will be the party of, “We haven’t fielded the first string” and the party of “Consider the alternative.” I can barely contain my excitement. Of course, the so-called “pro-lifers” are going to find it hard to vote for him, anyway.
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February 6, 2012 at 4:58 pm
“second-rate” is meant to apply to Romney. My mistake!
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February 6, 2012 at 8:13 pm
second rate???
mitt must be stepping up in the world! ;-D
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February 7, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Not sure if Obama is a walk in but it’s looking better for him. It all comes down to what direction the economy is going at the time. Abortion won’t mean anything. If people feel good about the direction of the country, he wins. If it starts to tank again, he could be in trouble….
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February 9, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Komen is shit. They lost all my funding, that is for sure!
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February 11, 2012 at 3:08 am
You started getting a “little word-e” Dunkle…
“I also learned that Obama is in for this second term”
“from your mouth to God’s ears”!!!
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February 11, 2012 at 2:14 pm
How can he not get a second term? Look at the Pro Life morons the GOP has gathered this year. They are against Birth Control!
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January 15, 2013 at 1:44 am
I\’ve used all three of these and here are my opinions;WordPress: I have a woredrpss right now, and it isn\’t very easy to use. There aren\’t a whole lot of options when it comes to changing the font and the alignments. When I first used it, it took me 5 minutes to find the Submit Post button. There aren\’t very many templates and most of them are pretty boring. Besides, it makes my computer run slow. All in all, I don\’t really like it, but a lot of other people love it.Tumblr: I don\’t even know if this counts as a blogging site, but a lot of people seem to like it. I used it once and it was pretty complicated at first. It didn\’t seem to have a lot of templates either when I first used about a year ago. But again, it seems fun and it looks like a nice way to express myself . Plus a lot of other people seem to like it.Blogger/Blogspot: I have had many 4 different blogs on this. I like it. But it\’s kind of getting old. It has a lot of options when it comes to templates and it\’s very easy to use.Basically I want to have a blog where I have a post every day of the year. Or almost everyday. Something I go on everyday, and something I go on when I\’m bored. Something I go on to talk to friends, and something that\’ll help me express myself. So, let me know which one is your favorite. What\’s your opinion?
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February 9, 2014 at 1:25 pm
You know we have the biggest miiltary budget in the world right? I mean.. even give the ratio of our size we spend many times more than countries we do business with and even when we weren’t at war more money went to the miiltary than any other one line item?. We aren’t suggesting the U.S. spend money it doesn’t have. We’re suggesting it slash the biggest source of money loss instead of one of the smallest and consider taxing corporations like GE (who paid nothing on their 14 billion dollars of profit for 2010).
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February 6, 2012 at 8:15 am
Susan G. Komen vs Planned Parenthood is only the latest instance of politics hijacking healthcare in this country, but frankly I have no sympathy for either organization. Komen, it is now being revealed, has also defunded embryonic stem cell research, lobbied against treatment dollars for women who have been diagnosed with all those free mammograms, and generally chosen to veer to the right wing side of the aisle.
Planned Parenthood does well woman care for women, for which it gets federal money. What well woman care does not include a breast exam? Why do they need extra money to do what any clinical practitioner should be doing? They don’t, in general, provide mammograms. They also have the ambition to become the abortion provider in every region, regardless of the quality care that women might get from an independent clinic, doctor, or hospital. Rub them out. This is corporate non-profits at their worst, complete with grand CEO salaries and an MBA approach to healthcare for women. So much for choices.
But if it is a war, then you have to choose sides, right? Otherwise, you could be shunned for being a traitor! Planned Parenthood is raking in money that they don’t need, improving their brand recognition, and continuing to muscle out any competition. Meanwhile, the latest battle in the Abortion War fuels outrage on both sides of the field, distracting us from the Hyde Amendment’s ban on funding for poor women, the shrinking viability of community abortion providers, and both “sides” willingness to throw women under the now tiresome wheels of the political bus.
Instead of giving money to Planned Parenthood or Susan G. Komen, write a check to the National Network of Abortion Funds (www.nnaf.org) and Breast Cancer Research Foundation (http://www.bcrfcure.org/). And ask others to step off the battlefield long enough to figure out what cause is worth fighting for.
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February 6, 2012 at 8:18 am
Agreed, Komen is not getting any more contributions from me.
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February 6, 2012 at 10:40 am
Very interesting post, Betty! But doesn’t PPFA offer abortions at a lower cost than the independent abortion clinics since they are non profit clinics? Indeed, dont they do a lot of abortions for free?
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February 6, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I don’t know about everywhere, but PP’s in my area are MORE expensive than private independent offices, by a lot. They also get re-imbursed by Medicaid at a much higher rate. So all that fundraising goes to CEO’s, lobbying, expansion, etc. and probably supports, to be fair, educational efforts, and some birth control patients. I don’t really see them discounting abortion services…
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February 6, 2012 at 1:10 pm
The local PP in my area is the HIGHEST priced abortion around. I work closely with the funders in the area, and PP is the one LEAST likely to do good funding counseling with patients.
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February 6, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Why is that?
I just want some education . . .
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February 7, 2012 at 2:48 pm
What do you mean, Tammi, that they don’t do “good funding counseling?” When a woman in need monetarily goes to their clinic, wont they do the abortion for free or at least give them a big discount?
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February 7, 2012 at 2:47 pm
But, Meg,PPFA clinics are non profits. Shouldn’t they then be offering lower priced services?
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February 6, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I was really shocked when I went to planned parenthood and they cost so much, and they kept trying to sell me things. I went down the street to a doctor’s office that did Abortions. I guess some would say it was a clinic, but it felt like a regular office, and they spent lots of quality time with me, told me all the alternatives, and then I had the Abortion that I needed. It really was not a big ordeal.
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February 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Interesting, Teresa. It seems to me that the independent offices need to publicize their efforts more. Obviously, the general public has the perception that the PPFA clinics are the only ones out there. Indeed, if any of you who have chimed in sctually work in an independent clinic, I’d love to know what clinic you work in and where it is! Tell us about your services!
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February 6, 2012 at 5:03 pm
An interesting sidelight on this is the need they felt to proclaim it to the world! They could have simply stopped funding PP in 2013 (as they were going to do anyway) without a peep, but NO! They had to MAKE A STATEMENT!
Why did they have to do that? Well, there is a type of person who needs to seek validation because he can’t trust his own feelings about himself– The guy who asks his wife, “Honey, do you think this sportcoat makes my butt look big?” when he already knows the answer. The so-called “pro-lifer” who is unsure about what happens after he dies. Karen Handel, who needs to put her so-called “pro-life” chops out there for the public to see.
As long as she’s in the organization, the Pink Ribbon is in trouble with a lot of American women. . . .
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February 6, 2012 at 8:12 pm
i thought that it was PP who initially announced that komen was dropping them?
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February 7, 2012 at 6:00 am
Then my interpretation is wrong!
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February 7, 2012 at 7:51 am
or maybe mine was, bro.
it wouldn’t be the first time, and it won’t be the last.
i just read the actual press release from PP first and then saw the one from komen. in response to the firestorm.
it doesn’t seem to me that they say anything different, just that the words are rearranged.
i guess time will tell as far as what happens. but as you pointed out, people might very well have forgotten by the time it does or doesn’t happen.
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February 7, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I believe PPFA announced it first. Then, within minutes, it seemed, the fundraising machine was in full force. I swear, sometimes i think that any organization, no matter which one, sometimes likes a little bad news so they can go to their donors and rake in the bucks….:)
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September 23, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Thank you for posting that my frnied. All too often we do not hear the truth about what we really do and what we are supposed to do. I guarantee you that the people who support NARAL hate this young lady with a passion. Pro-choice people also hate her with a passion. They hate her because she dared to live despite their best efforts to end her. When one takes a moment to consider what they tried to accomplish and her triumph over their evil, I believe it to be an important message for this Easter.Christ defeated death and the evil of the world and he saved us and gave us hope through his suffering. Ms. Jesson’s parallel reminds us of that sacrifice. She is not bitter or broken, she merely soldiers on in the cause of life.Happy Easter Matt, may it be a joyful time for you and your family.
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February 6, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Independent abortion providers give most of the care in the country, yet because we don’t have the recognizable PP name, it’s as if we are invisible. The Abortion Care Network is an organization of independent abortion providers and our allies. We work with women every day to provide support, compassion, and excellent medical services. And we battle the stigmatization of abortion by reminding our patients and providers that they are good and moral people making tough choices.
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February 6, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Call me a dummy, but I’m not sure what the difference is. I’m pro choice, but why does it matter where a women has done what she desires as long as it is safe and legal?
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February 6, 2012 at 7:06 pm
evan, the independent clinics are actually quite different from PP in many ways.
it was the independent clinics that pushed to close down sleazy clinics, that those of brigham and gosnell when the state was allowing them to practice and endanger the women who went to them as patients.
when videos were released about PP staff participating in human trafficking and breaking parental consent laws, cecille richards seemed to blow it off by saying that a few bad apples are no reflection of PP as a whole.
i think that the independent clinics care how things ARE, while PP cares how they LOOK.
i believe that those in the independent clinics honestly see women’s health as more than just a source of revenue.
i am adamantly pro-life, but i view the independent clinics very much differently than i do PP.
i may not agree with them on abortion, but i can honestly say that i think their hearts are in the right place, and i can’t say that about PP.
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February 6, 2012 at 7:19 pm
hi charlotte
i just wanted to tell you that your article in realitycheck about the show “law and order” capitalizing on dr tiller’s death was very touching.
i am pro-life ( not just anti-abortion) and i mean that sincerely and from the bottom of my heart.
i studied about him to know what made him tick, and while i am adamantly opposed to abortion, i saw the goodness that god had put within him.
as bad as it was for him to have been murdered as he welcomed people to worship the same god that i worship, i know it was salt in the wounds to those who loved him for a hollywood show to capitalize upon his death for the sake of their ratings.
he was blessed to have friends like you.
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February 7, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Charlotte, does the Abortion Care Network have a website that people can reference? Also, if you notice up above this page in the tab section, there is a tab for the ACN. You might think about having one clinic a day or week posting something on that tab about the special qualities of their particular clinic. It’s a great way to advertise!
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February 6, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Meg says, “I don’t know about everywhere, but PP’s in my area are MORE expensive than private independent offices, by a lot. They also get re-imbursed by Medicaid at a much higher rate. So all that fundraising goes to CEO’s, lobbying, expansion, etc. and probably supports, to be fair, educational efforts, and some birth control patients. I don’t really see them discounting abortion services…”
Meg, are you talking about PP fund-raising? You make it sound as though they fund-raise solely to provide abortion services. Actually, their abortion services are only about 2.3% of their work, so it’s fair to assume that 977% of “all that fund-raising” isn’t used to lower the costs to the abortion patient.
Except it is– at least in my corner of the country. PP in New England has sliding scale fees for everything. If other providers are charging less, it’s news to me. What region do you live in? My guess is…. but how would I be able to verify your claim, anyway?
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February 6, 2012 at 6:35 pm
actually, chuckles…. while they state that only 3 % of the services they offer are abortions, the last time i looked, 10 to 12 % of their clients have abortions, and 40% of their revenue comes from abortions.
that came from their own website.
komen isn’t the only organization that makes what they are doing or saying appear differently by wording it a certain way.
PP does indeed get federal funding and those funds are not supposed to be used for abortions.
they claim that the funds are not used for those purposes. some people claim the funds are fungible.
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February 6, 2012 at 7:08 pm
sorry charles.
this was me posting.
i fixed a profile so that i could have an avatar to get pat’s goat because pat was asking how to do it, but i forgot that whenever i come back to this site, i have to log back in.
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February 6, 2012 at 7:09 pm
grrr
forgot to put the email there as well for the avatar to show
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February 7, 2012 at 6:01 am
rogelio, where can I find those numbers?
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February 7, 2012 at 7:47 am
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/annual-report-4661.htm
look at the actual numbers, rather than their breakdown
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February 8, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Thanks, Rogelio!
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February 7, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Komen showed their real colors on this one.
Nice article!
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February 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Independent abortion clinics are like independent book stores, or local offices, not chains. They have done much of the pioneering in abortion care, including counseling, paying attention to the needs of men and s.o.’s, abortion funding, spiritual needs of women seeking abortions to name a few. But PP can raise $ 3 mil in a week which they don’t really need.
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February 9, 2012 at 10:27 am
Meg, what do you mean by serving the “spiritual needs” of women? How exactly does an independent abortion clinic do that?
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February 7, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Just heard that the woman who started this whole ruckus has just resigned. Meanwhile, however, the independents can complain about PPFA has the PR machine but there are a lot of ways they can publicize their clinics for free. Chime in regularly on this blog and identify your clinic. We’ve had lots of conversations about what goes on inside of clinics and we could always use those “in the trenches” to teach us. Also, use the ACN tab above. As I said earlier, get one clinic a week to chime in, tell us how long they’ve been there, how many weeks they go to, what their philosophy is, etc. Then, join the facebook page, abortion.com and, again chime in and identify your clinic.
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February 7, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Okay, Rogie, how the heck do I put a picture (avatar?) on my little square thingy?
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February 7, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Click on your gravatar image (which is currently a default or, as they write, a global prolife of false image)
Clicking takes you to http://en.gravatar/false
You will need to either log in or create an account. If you need to create an account, you will see this message:
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All we need is your email address! You will receive a confirmation email including a link that will activate your account and allow you to set your password.
Once you have filled in the required information, you will be directed through the process.
FYI, you can upload images from your own files to use as a personal gravatar.
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February 7, 2012 at 10:29 pm
go to https://en.gravatar.com/site/login/ and either login or make an account if you don’t have one.
i think it should work because they are wordpress sites.
i got my account when kate had her blog so that i could post there.
from there, you should be able to select a photo from your hard drive or the net that you like.
if you can’t think of an image, i have plenty of religious zealot images on mine that you could have. 😛
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February 8, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Click on your gravatar image (which is currently a default or, as they write, a global prolife of false image)
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February 8, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Sometimes i really want to comment in some posts here but i get so sad to see that the same person is commenting over and over changing only the name, so i read, laugh and get off.
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February 8, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Beth, how can you tell?
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February 9, 2012 at 10:28 am
Beth, I’m concerned that you think this is happening. Can you prove it?
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February 9, 2012 at 10:53 am
I am concerned as well that you being so good in writing all of that didn’t observe that yet.
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February 10, 2012 at 9:46 am
Oh, I’ve had my suspicions, Beth, but I guess that’s the nature of this beast. Not much I can do except to ask folks to be honest, right?
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February 10, 2014 at 8:55 am
‘Abortionist?’ I’m a believer in astioronibm?Fetus fetishists sure like to make up facts. I didn’t realize they also like to make up words.Now, ‘drivel’, ‘doublespeak’ and ‘fallacy’ I do understand, but I think you’re aiming them in the wrong direction. I think this fellow exhibits what Audrey calls ‘self-awareness FAIL’.But thanks for stopping by. We don’t argue with fetus fetishists here, so save your outraged retort.
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February 8, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Pat Richards, you got to create an account with the page… and add any picture you wish…
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February 8, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Who was that Beth?
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February 8, 2012 at 5:55 pm
She sounds like another Pro lifer troll!
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February 9, 2012 at 10:52 am
For your information Katlyn, i am not a troll. You don’t have to be to smart to see things. Just observe.
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February 9, 2012 at 10:54 am
Whatever!
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February 8, 2012 at 1:13 pm
https://en.wordpress.com/signup/
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February 9, 2012 at 11:46 am
Komen has also lost all prior funding from any organization I work with. I agree this has been an educational Post.
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February 9, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I agree, No more cash for Komen!!!
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February 10, 2012 at 8:55 pm
rogelio, you said (February 6, 2012 at 6:35 pm)
“actually, chuckles…. while they state that only 3 % of the services they offer are abortions, the last time i looked, 10 to 12 % of their clients have abortions, and 40% of their revenue comes from abortions.”
and you provided the link to their annual 2009-10 report. I did the numbers, and rather than the 10-12% you claim, it’s actually 3.01%.
Furthermore, there is no breakdown of income by type of service.
However, if abortions are 40% of their medical services income, then it follows that the 329,445 women who had an abortion at Planned Parenthood would have paid an average of $850. Expensive, indeed! But it would mean all their other services are super-cheap.
Which leads to the question: Why, if they’re so expensive relative to other abortion providers, is PP targeted by the so-called “pro-lifers”? You would think they’d be dumping on the ones who are getting all the business…
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February 12, 2012 at 11:17 am
Remember that the pro-lifers target PPFA and independent providers. It just depends on how easy a target they are and, indeed, if they are in their own city. From a national perspective, it’s easy to target PPFA because they are the “big girls” on the block and, yes, they are expanding their abortion services. Not to mention that PPFA gets government funds in many cases, so there is a nexus there….
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February 14, 2012 at 4:32 pm
omigosh chuckles!
i just saw this post from you.
please forgive my delay in replying, as well as for having sent you on a wild goose chase.
i truly am sorry, bro.
the last couple of weeks, with a teething baby and my patients and church, i seem to be running on auto-pilot and i just posted the link to PP’s financial page without bothering to look at what it said.
i will look in the umpteen bookmarks and see if i can find the info i was speaking of and either post it for you or send it to you personally.
i distinctly recall being in awe because the info was actually on PP’s site and not the site of someone who opposes them and that was why those numbers came to my mind.
but i truly am so sorry for telling you that and then leaving you hanging without the proof to back it up. i know that you would never deliberately do that to me, and i promise you that this was not deliberate on my part.
once again, please forgive me.
as to why lifers seem to dump on PP, i can only speak for myself, but once again, i cite the reasons listed in this thread as to why i have a particular disdain for PP
but be that as it may, something i find problematic is that my own personal feelings are not evidence enough to present in an actual investigation, muchless a trial and i think it is imperative that any investigations against PP be fair and unbiased.
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February 14, 2012 at 4:34 pm
grrrrr
i forgot to sign in again.
this post was from me, my friend.
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February 8, 2014 at 1:02 pm
Thank you.Unfortunately, there are some like you, no disrespect, that don’t care where it came from, hewevor, if you get a chance read the history, and the establishment of the EPA, and think back at how the EPA has changed things in America that is leading to sustainability, now couple that with the latest push for birth control, is it possible that it is a scuttle way of pushing population control?
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February 8, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Abby, I just got home from yet another 40DFL meitneg and saw this. THANKS! I needed to see this that all the exhaustion, stress, self-doubt, etc. is worth it! It’s not about us it’s about being Christ, being that light to and for others. My husband and daughters were at that meitneg, and I often think that I’m depriving them of me by all the pro-life work I’m doing. Then a friend reminded me that they are learning by example. The self-sacrificing yep! That will teach them a LOT in life! Thanks for the reminder! I really, really needed it!
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April 23, 2014 at 8:29 am
That’s a skillful answer to a difficult question
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