By the time a woman walks into an abortion clinic, she’s got a lot of stuff on her mind. In the first place, she really doesn’t want to be there. Furthermore, she’s probably been thinking about the issue for weeks, she’s been conflicted and her partner might not even be supportive of her decision.
But, at some point she picks up the telephone and calls the clinic to make the appointment. When she gets to the abortion facility, she may be subjected to all of those “sidewalk counselors” who are oozing love and compassion (for the fetus) and who know oh-so-much more about abortion than she or the folks in the clinic do. And, to top it off, they are even willing to help actually raise the child! By the time she finally sits down to fill out her paperwork, her blood pressure is no doubt higher than normal and she has one thought: let’s get this over with so I can move on with my life. Well, maybe that’s a little too casual but the bottom line is they want to have the abortion and go home.
At some point, she will have to read a bunch of paperwork and then be counseled about the procedure. It’s generally the same drill we’ve all been through where you just sit there, initial papers that you don’t read and kinda listen to the doctor as he tells you what could go wrong with the surgery, including the fact that you could DIE. Sure, doc, thanks a lot. Now where do I sign?
And now abortion patients in South Dakota will have to wait just a tad bit longer because a court has upheld a law passed in that state that requires abortion doctors to inform women that if they have an abortion they will have an increased risk of suicide. The interesting thing about the decision is that the court said the state didn’t have to prove that this warning was true. Instead, they said that those opposing the law had to prove it was untrue! So, someone is gonna have to find those millions of women who have had abortions over the years and ask them if they ever contemplated suicide. Then, in the unlikely event that the pro-choicers could prove the allegations were untrue, they would have to go back and convince the state legislature that they got it all wrong in the first place. Sure, like that’s going to happen.
My reaction to all of this hogwash is – whatever.
Anyone who is about to have surgery, including abortion, knows there are risks, physical or otherwise. And, the opinions of the anti-abortion folks notwithstanding, the women having abortions have brains and can sort all of these things out on their own. Meanwhile, I cannot imagine when a woman hears that she might be more inclined to commit suicide if she has an abortion is gonna jump up from her chair and scream “Hey, wait a minute, I don’t want to kill myself years from now! I would much rather give birth to this child and, even though I cannot take care of it for the next 20 years, I’ve got all of those people outside the clinic who have offered to help me!”
The stuff that the anti-abortion movement focuses on really is amusing.
Keep spinning your wheels folks.
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July 29, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Have an abortion then die? Not likely. More likely is: carry to term then commit suicide. Statistically speaking, it’s more likely. Motherhood isn’t for the faint of heart.
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July 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Have an abortion? Then kill. That’s the most likely. And killing is for the faint of heart. Cowards all.
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July 31, 2012 at 7:05 am
It would be interesting to see how many mothers of children committed suicide. But, of course, the pro-lifers would not make the connection, right? That’s the interesting thing. They think you have an abortion and you automatically regret it. Or you have an abortion and you automatically get breast cancer. And now we gotta warn them about suicide. So, if as Kate says, more women who carry to term commit suicide, then should their Ob/Gyn be warning them as well? Indeed, why aren’t we warning women generally about the stuff that will happen when they have children if we’re gonna be totally fair?
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July 31, 2012 at 10:24 am
Good Point, don’t expect JD to get it though.
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July 31, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Well, Pat, “if as Kate says, more women who carry to term commit suicide,” then we can discount it because research shows that we must discount 93% of what Kate says
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February 8, 2014 at 11:04 pm
Not so secret when it’s your name Lisa Really eiynjong reading your poems and watching your vids. Half and half is weird. Why do we need half milk, half cream? To answer my own question, I think it’s so the coffee in America tastes less like dirt. Sorry Americans. How long are you planning on staying in CA Lisa?
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July 29, 2012 at 4:46 pm
How could we prove the “suicide” that the woman committed after the abortion wasn’t from the abortion… but it was from some medication… that she had to take because of some obscure illness…wait a minute let me recall some of the medication commercials on TV….ones for “brittle bones” “dementia” “sleep disorders”…I am sure there are many more medications that can cause “suicide”!!
That must be why the judge ruled that way…because today everything you take seems to have the side effect of “suicide”…hmm just another idiot ruling against women!!
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July 31, 2012 at 7:06 am
Good points, Lorraine. But you know the answer. Anything that has to deal with abortion gets politicized immediately. It’s all a big game to try to score political points.
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July 30, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Having an abortion is spiritual suicide if you don’t repent of the sin before you meet God.
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July 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Abortion is not a sin nor is it spiritual suicide. It’s a procedure that women use when they do not want to be pregnant. Religion doesn’t belong in health care and health care includes abortion.
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July 30, 2012 at 2:45 pm
It’s a procedure that dumb women use. When smart women don’t want to be pregnant, they say no.
The third sentence reminds me of something Hitler said, “Religion doesn’t belong in government and a healthy Germany must rid itself of its Jewish population.”
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July 30, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Abortion is an intrinsic evil. Just because it’s legal doesn’t make it right. And just because YOU say it’s not a sin or spiritual suicide doesn’t mean that GOD views it your way. I don’t know — did you ever think or did it even cross your mind for a flicker of a second — that you might be wrong about this abortion thing because if you are, you’re going to be in some deep doo doo. I mean geez I’d rather error on the side of caution than roll the dice and fight till the bitter end for abortion on demand.
Face the facts – God is pro-life and Satan is pro-choice. Do you really want to be on Satan’s side? You’re really playing with fire here!! Literally.
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July 31, 2012 at 6:29 am
Facts are verifiable. You are pushing beliefs, not facts.
I’m with Huxley who said “At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols.”
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February 8, 2014 at 8:48 pm
. “Pe4ivitte4inen rintojen kaelstu pidente4e4 miesten elinike4e4 jopa viidelle4 vuodella.”Nyt femakot tarkkana; ottakaa agendaan jos tasa-arvo kiinnostaa. Jo kolmekin vuotta olisi merkitte4ve4 parannus miesten ja naisten keskime4e4re4iseen elinike4eroon, joka on nyt n. 7 vuotta.Ja site4paitsi, nehe4n on bara brf6st?
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July 31, 2012 at 7:09 am
But, Anonymous, many, many of us out here just do not subscribe to your religious views. I respect them and defend your right to have them of course, but there are millions upon millions who do not believe what you believe about God. In the absence of holding your beliefs, we prefer to focus on the actual life of the woman who is right here in plain view on this little ole Earth. Can you understand why we take that view?
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July 31, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Pat, it doesn’t matter whether or not you subscribe to my religious beliefs or not but at the end of your life whether you believe in God or not you WILL meet Him and He WILL NOT be pleased that you worked on behalf of promoting abortion for your life’s work. I defend your right to have your religious belief, however, I’d hate to see ANYONE end up with Lucifer and his minions for eternity and wish to warn you that the path you are on is not a good one. We can ALL be certain that we will face four things: Death, Judgment, Heaven, or Hell. Do you really think that God would be able to welcome anyone into Heaven who advocated for the killing of His own precious pre-born children? I don’t believe so unless, of course, they’ve since truly repented for their actions?
While you ‘prefer to focus on the actual life of the woman who is right here in plain view’ we prefer to focus on the woman in plain view and the child who is hidden from sight in it’s mother’s womb with no one to speak up for it. You see Pat, we do try to love them both – the mother and her unborn child. Can you understand why we take that view? To us, both lives are precious whether the child is wanted or not. Someone would be thrilled to have another woman’s newborn baby to love and nurture.
As an aside to the blogginfem – God is not going to be interested in facts but He will care very deeply about the beliefs we held and how zealously we worked for His kingdom here on Earth. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that God’s belief would be that abortion is morally repugnant and quite simply the killing of His unborn.
Also, thank you for talking to me so kindly. It was a nice change from the sarcastic remarks my comments typically generate. From your posts, you do seem like a gentlemen. Someone at least willing to listen to the other side without insulting them in the process.
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July 31, 2012 at 7:33 pm
As an aside to the blogginfem – God is not going to be interested in facts but He will care very deeply about the beliefs we held and how zealously we worked for His kingdom here on Earth. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that God’s belief would be that abortion is morally repugnant and quite simply the killing of His unborn.
**An amazing collection of hubristic comments coming from someone who has the unmitigated gall to feign that she/he is in direct contact with God.**
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August 12, 2012 at 4:42 am
Believe it or not, Kate, we are all in direct contact with God.
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July 31, 2012 at 7:07 am
Wow, John, you just insulted a few women in my family and a number of my friends. So, I guess they are all dumb. Tell me, John, have you ever made a mistake?
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July 31, 2012 at 7:25 am
Oh sure. That was nine years ago. I can’t remember the specifics.
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August 2, 2012 at 6:02 am
You are an amazing man, John.
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August 2, 2012 at 8:06 am
Yeah, that’s what I think. Don’t ask my wife and my best friend, though.
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July 31, 2012 at 7:55 pm
What, no apology for insulting women? No comment about how you have gone on record saying you respect women and THEN, later, comment about dumb women? Seriously?
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August 1, 2012 at 4:12 am
It’s a fac Jac. Men too. We’re not all John Dunkles, you know.
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February 10, 2014 at 8:00 pm
I’m quite pleased with the inrfamotion in this one. TY!
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July 31, 2012 at 10:30 am
Well written Article.
Thanks again for your expertise.
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July 31, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Good to hear from you, EC.
There’s the gush; now where’s the ad hom?
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August 2, 2012 at 6:04 am
Thanks, Elena. I really enjoy trying to make things “real” for the readers. They dont have to believe me, of course, but I think I’ve built up some credibility and I think it’s important to talk about the facts.
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July 31, 2012 at 4:05 pm
While suicide deaths and attempts are lower during pregnancy and the postpartum than in the general population of women, when deaths do occur, suicides account for up to 20% of postpartum deaths. Self-harm ideation is more common than attempts or deaths, with thoughts of self-harm during pregnancy and the postpartum ranging from 5 to 14%. The risk for suicidality is significantly elevated among depressed women during the perinatal period, and suicide has been found to be the second or leading cause of death in this depressed population.[Archives of Women’s Mental Health]
The Confidential Enquiry into Maternal Deaths 1997 to 1999 finds that psychiatric disorder, and suicide in particular, is the leading cause of maternal death. Suicide accounted for 28% of maternal deaths. [British Medical Journal]
The suicide rate for pregnant women was 27% of the rate for non-pregnant/non-postpartum women (rate ratio= 0.27, 95% CI = 0.11-0.66), and the suicide rate for postpartum women was 54% of the rate for non-pregnant/non-postpartum women (rate ratio = 0.54, 95% CI = 0.31-0.95)..[Maternal Child Health]
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August 1, 2012 at 8:39 am
Stops me! If I could read it, and if it’s pro-death, I could tell you where the lie is.
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August 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm
bloggingfem Says to John Dunkle:
July 31, 2012 at 7:55 pm
What, no apology for insulting women? No comment about how you have gone on record saying you respect women and THEN, later, comment about dumb women? Seriously?
Your Friend Says to bloggingfem:
What no apology for killing women in the womb? No comment about how you have gone on record saying you respect women and THEN, later comment that it’s a women’s right to kill other women?? Seriously???
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August 1, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Good news for Women:
Starting today, because of the Affordable Care Act (or Obamacare), every new health insurance policy must include FDA-approved contraceptives without any co-pays or deductibles.
And that’s not all. Because of the ACA, starting today all new insurance policies must cover women’s preventive care without co-pays or deductibles, including:
An annual well woman preventive care visit with your doctor.
Screening for:
Gestational diabetes
STIs
HIV/AIDS
HPV
Screening and counseling for domestic violence.
Breastfeeding support, supplies, and counseling.
What’s more, because of the ACA, since 2010 many other adult preventive services like mammograms and colonoscopies have been covered without co-pays and deductibles
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February 7, 2014 at 11:32 pm
Always reheisfrng to hear a rational answer.
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