I thought it would be interesting to pose this question because it doesn’t presuppose the supremacy of either side of the abortion issue. Instead it is a question that might show contrast between different viewpoints on the same side of the issue.
In order to explore this issue, I am going to pose a hypothetical.
Lets take a situation where a woman purposely pokes holes in her lovers condom with the hopes of getting pregnant. In this case lets say she does get pregnant and has effectively made a decision that is completely contrary to her lover’s wishes. He might have strong reservations about population control, he might not be ready for the temporal and financial responsibility of raising a child, or many of the other reasons that a person might have not to carry a pregnancy to term.
Shouldn’t he have a right to decide not to have a child?
For many of us, this issue is about autonomy. The right of a person to not have their body violated by state or citizen is fundamental. But with rights go responsibility and visa versa. A man is held to a level of responsibility for providing for his offspring, and he should have rights that are at least commensurate with that.
If you believe abortion isn’t murder, and that there is no crime in the removal of a healthy fetus from it’s mother’s womb, then I think you should be open to the possibility that in the hypothetical laid out above, a forced abortion would be nothing more than the retrieval of stolen property. The traumatic invasion of the woman for the 10 minute procedure would be balanced against a lifelong traumatic impact that the father didn’t want.
Hopefully you’re getting the point, which is that the stronger our case against abortion=crime/murder, the stronger the case for the rights of the father.
I appreciate your comments.
V
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February 25, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Thanks,
about time some looked out for the man’s rights. They seems to always be lost in the discussion,
from Abortion (that I totally support) to child care and support, etc.)
Leo
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February 27, 2008 at 9:54 am
Dear God,
thank for allowing me to post replies on abortion related issues. As your sentiments have been twisted by so many people, it is saddening, let alon ehte simple rules of even this forum. This is not a reflection of the forum it’s authors or other commentors, just a general statement (which may even place myself at risk because I do not fully understand the forum’s rules.
Thank you forum contributors, authors, etc. as it is clear you are assaulted every day from the misguided attempts of those sad individuals who claim you to be thier one, and they are so lacking in the most basic knowledge or understanding about abortion I feel embarrassed for them every time they speak about abortion, as it is very clear they have not taken the time to give themselves any education, and their claims upon you, dear God, are so misguided, I cannot believe anything else drives them except just plain old fashioned ignorance. The same ignorance which has prevented our greatest gift, of our higher abilities of cognition (that you have gifted us) to work it’s wonders.
Abortion is OK and righteous, thank you God for setting that straight.
I do not want to speak poorly of anyone, so I will try and be broad, especially about abortion, an issue that is so important, and I do not want to misconceived of those very poor soals who share even my first name, as I understand in this modern world og computers how that may happen.
I’ll try and keep this short as comments should be short, otherwise they would be articles that I know have been oferred to even the those with diminished intellectual capacity, so their uneducated voices can be heard over the overwhelming majority of people disagree with them. This individuals do not seem to understand hoe science works and what it has done compared to religion in just plainly getting things done, ICBMs, the derivitive technologies that spawn wondrous initiatives from health to entertainment, a child’s ability to learn more and compete in a global community, and so on – tryiing to attempt brrevity here – I see it is difficult.
Regards to all of you who believe in our personal freedoms, from Jefferson to Franklin, Adams, Washington, all our founding fathers. They even got much of it right lacking the objective scientific edifice which has exploded since their day.
And regards to all you poor people who cannot get your brains to work for you, I just suggest you read more modern contemporary literature from authors you know what they are talking about, not just the pseudobabble that you (plural) often misquote with great preposterous vanity. Especially in regard to abortion.
We wish you all well in all your endeavors, as long as you stop infringing on privacy and medical care (and so many other issues which you [plural again] seem to be so misguided again. Perhaps you should talk with God as I have done and get the story straight forward.
I am fortunate, God speaks to me frequently, face to face, no ambiguities here, many of you probably do not have that luxury, if you do I would love to know about your experience. But He, Jesus, and All of his Holy Subordinates, have told me that abortion is OK and should be the decision of the mother. There it is. Problem solved.
No need to debate it, I got the answer directly from the moral authority Himself! What a blessing.
Praise!
Best wishes,
Andrew
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February 27, 2008 at 10:02 am
Thank you for your well written thoughts, so many are lacking here, it has been unbearable to read many a Male’s perspective on abortion as they have been, especially one individual, so poorly misguied by blinding religiousity. On top of a clear lack of communication with his deity (otherwise he would “get it” finally, and speak more articulately on the subject matter at hand. I am surprised this site has been eclectic enough to let him post.
I am curious, if anyone has posted and not been able to get through?
K
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February 27, 2008 at 10:06 am
Regarding abortion, thank you for that generously thought out point on Abortion and Men’s issues. So rare to have one think so clearly on these points. It was a satisfying pleasure in a sea of blogospheric trash and dimwits to see intelligence placed in the same atmosphere as a discussion on abortion.
TheKMan
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February 27, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Abortion is murder, simple as that
if someone takes away somethings potential right to live…
then, you my friend, are no better than a murder-you have killed an innocent life-
and i hate that bull crap about “womens rights”
what about the rights of the kid that would have been borne?
Why does no one see that you are taking away another humans chance of life.
They will never breath-just because you are too selfish to have a child-just because you can’t get over yourself-you think that you have the right to murder…
I pray that God forgives you for what you do…I don’t hate the person who does an abortion just to clear things up…
I hate the action
I hate the mindset
I hate it that they think that they can murder and it be okay
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February 27, 2008 at 8:15 pm
What about the baby’s right to a life?
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February 28, 2008 at 9:04 am
Hi,
I think you are all silly. Abortion, abortion information, abortion clinics. What do these important abortion issues have anything to do with this group of people or the blog?
Kindly,
Linda
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March 3, 2008 at 8:20 am
Men should have the same abotion rights as women. Abortion should be assesable to men as well. Not only women’s choice.
People are pretty dim in their brains who think that women should not have right to abortion.
Henry
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February 11, 2014 at 11:54 am
I took a test about a week ago and came out negative. I’m usaluly late every month so I figured my symptoms where because I’m getting my period. But now I feel extremely tired, I can barely stay awake. It’s about 3 days of my missed period. Should I take a test again? I have a 2 1/2 yr old son already but I had no symptoms what so ever with him and I was close to 3 months pregnant when I found out and it took me 10 yrs to get pregnant.
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March 10, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Lets continually encourage the legislature to do the right thing. Abortion is legal, don’t change your minds on such a simple think to address – at least in it’s most basic form.. the precedent is set, continue the path of liberty for women and their bodies. Clear the morgues of women in desperate need and desire of abortion worldwide. Women are smart enough to make choices on their own without the patriarchal male dominated government of non reproductive nitwits to stop infringing upon women, one half the population.
The same legislatures and judges who allow us to spend the surpluses of generations on war. Surpluses that could have solved alternative energy issues to keep us out of these forsaken countries to begin with. Places where we don’t understand the culture enough to make a plan? to solve their problems before we create even larger one? I just don’t get it. A women knew how to run some of these countries Like Pak to begin with, but she was assaulted by men , again, an unending story of violence. Peace, the simplicity of peace and diplomacy, postured in the context of preparation for worst casse scenarious, B Franklin could have been proud if we had done it right. But the boneheads in the oval office couldn’t figure it out.. Sounds like POwell might have for a little while, but he was booted.. You keep your job if you tow the line. How sad.
Surpluses that could be given to research, like stem cells, that be the opinion of most scientists worldwide hold great optimism that this is the correct path to follow.
Doing it right was so easy, why not? We would have so much more if we would have. Not enough room in a blog reply to give it the response it all deserves, however I hope a glimmer of the sentiment is passed along. Most of us are intelligent enough to get it. You don’t need a PhD in rocket science to know, that you do not have to have that PhD, to know not to fire one off to get things done!
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March 10, 2008 at 2:13 pm
We have the greatest nation on Earth, by many measures. When I listen to those around me it is sometimes hard for me to still believe this, but i continue to try.
The most fabulous republic ever constructed by the hands of man based upon the inspired thoughts originating from Human and no other should not be deconstructed as it almost was in the 1860’s by stupid men in there stupid thought processes. Let us give homage to our powerful minds, we deserve it. Let us notify that glory and all you (and your loved ones) who have who lost their lives in the countless efforts to defend these basic and simplistic liberties over 200 years.
Abortion is another example of liberty for women. Our mothers, daughters, wives, sisters, half our nation, they deserve no less attention to their needs. Let us be men and show them the respect they have earned in the long and fought out struggle that continues to this day and probably will for decades to come until the old misfits with their southern mentality (of the past) agenda of subjugating women along the lines of their farm animals (just like the countries we love to demonize) dissapears off the face of this planet. Let’s, bound into the future with this legacy in hand as we improve upon what our forefathers had the insitefullness to initiate. The United States of America, the greatest, and most free, democracy (or derivitave of) since day #1.
I don’t know how else to express these sentiments of freedom for half our population, our women, and the men that stand beside and behind them in their struggle for equality.
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March 10, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I have seen and heard this argument several times before. Personally I believe any form of abortion at any point in a pregnancy, from the moment the sperm and the egg connect, is cold blooded murder. That being said, I understand that a man should have a right to decide if he wants to bring a life into the world.
The minute the man has sex with a woman, he has made that decision. I have no sympathy for men who say they dont want their girlfriends/wives to have a child they werent prepared for. If you are going to have sex, you know there is a possibility for a child to result. Everyone who has enough knowledge to have sex knows this.
Therefore I believe that any man who chooses to have sex with a woman chooses to take a risk, and should deal with the consequences of his actions.
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June 28, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Posted previously by Katt: …”Personally I believe any form of abortion at any point in a pregnancy, from the moment the sperm and the egg connect, is cold blooded murder. That being said, I understand that a man should have a right to decide if he wants to bring a life into the world.
The minute the man has sex with a woman, he has made that decision. I have no sympathy for men who say they dont want their girlfriends/wives to have a child they werent prepared for. If you are going to have sex, you know there is a possibility for a child to result.”
AMEN TO THAT!!!! I couldn’t have said it better myself! Anyone having sex is knowingly taking a chance of becoming pregnant. Pills dont always work, condoms break, NO method used to prevent conception is foul proof. (except just not having sex….) If you are not prepared for, and ready to take responsibility for the life you MAY create, ever how unintended it may be, then you should not be committing the act that will put you in a situation to do so. There may not be 100% safe sex, or 100% foul proof prevention of pregnancy, but if all of those who are engaging in the act make sure they are mature enough to do so, and therefore mature enough to be responsible for the life that could possibly come to be, either by being a parent to the child, or chosing a loving family who wants to adopt a child, then abortion for the sake of convenince wouldn’t exist in the first place. If you are man enough to partake in the ACT, then you should be MAN enough to partake in making sure the life you possibly create is safe and secure. That is the choice of a MAN not a childish boy. RESPONSIBILITY TO LIFE OF UNBORN CHILDREN!
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June 29, 2008 at 9:43 am
Ansley,
1) What if a women is raped by her father?
What if the pregnancy is in the tube and she has a 100% chance of dying when the tube ruptures?
2) What if the women has Epstein Anomaly, Tetralogy of Fallot, or the hundreds of other anomalies, that commit her to a an early demise if she were to go to term with the pregnancy?
3)What if the baby had anencephally, ie , no brain and no chance of survival, ie get it no brain, it cannot survive. Jesus has never cured one of these babies. They all die, yet if the mother carries to term, she may die, and her family will lose a mother and wife for no reason because ignorant people may have legislated her right away for proper medical care.
4) What if the women had cervical cancer, and not treating it definitively would kill her and the embryo?
5)What if the woman had an aneurysm in the brain that could not take the enhanced blood volume of pregnancy?
6)How would you treat an women with an immunillogical disorder in a women with broken water, a 16 week olf fetus with a heart rate of 2 beats/minute, puss coming out of her vagina, a temp of 106, and knowing that know pregnancy has every survived this scenario, could she have an abortion to save her life before the infection killed her?
7)Help me understand your position on these an by inference the millions of other permutations that have existed and circumstances that many people are so ignorant about, yet so dogmatic in their opinion to choose for those women a death sentance.
8)This would be helpful in understanding your position on abortion and why it could never be used, if i understand correctly.
9)Your explanation is so bizarrely naive, and a regurgitation of the uneducated opinions we here constantly. Is it too difficult to educate oneself before you commit people to death by your vote of legislation.
10) Why do people on average with above average education high a strong proclivity to believe in helping the women in the above cases, and people with lower than average intelligence, desire to no allow these women access to abortion. What is that inferring?
11)Please do not read any antagonism into the nuance of these email, please do respond, I am so curious where you would stand as supreme legislator on these issues and multitude of permutations that occur EVER SINGLE DAY. That would be helpful for a though full discourse.
Regards,
Bill
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January 9, 2009 at 9:49 pm
One of the greatest initiatives were taken when it became a national issue about a women’s right to choose. Whether she is pro-choice or pro-life the option to carry out or terminate a pregnancy is completely up to the woman in question.
But what about men?
There exist a great number of men who want a child and if the woman decides she wants to terminate the pregnancy then that man must swallow the murder of his child. Yet even still it is a woman’s choice. Pro-choice advocates emphasize their beliefs that having a child is a personal choice that affects a woman’s body and personal health. The general belief is that it is a man’s responsibility to protect him self via condom. It is a common belief that “if a woman gets pregnant it’s a man’s fault”. There is no “generally accepted” belief that women share the blame equally for not taking proper precautions. Many women simply rely on condoms to protect themselves when there are a myriad of precautions to be taken including IUD’s, Depo-Provera shots and many others. Yet in many situations women become pregnant and even though the father choose’s not to have a child he is forced to be tied down by that woman’s choice for life.
For example we could look at the Maury Povich talk show. Maury Povich has allowed us to see an epidemic of insurmountable proportions and if he had not, we as a society would never have believed it. There are women in America who are having unprotected sex with dozens of men within short periods of time and yet still believe that her choice to keep that child means that “if she ever discovers who the father is” is now responsible for supporting that child.
The amount of tax payer money that is spent on court costs to have blood tests, custody battles, determining Child Support, and Visitation is a waste of money. Therefore a bill should be past that also gives men a right to chose. If a man chose’s to agree to a pregnancy then he would have three months to sign a form that states ahead of time that he is agreeing to the pregnancy and in the event that he and the mother were to ever separate that he will pay child support, no fight. And on that same page it will also state that the man who signs that form will ALWAYS have rights to see that child. Automatic joint custody is agreed upon before the child is even born. If there is a circumstance where one of the parents aren’t fit to have their half of joint custody honored then that can be reviewed and determined by a court. But many men and women use children as pawns to hurt the other parent by not allowing that child to see their other parent.
I believe that if women understood that men also have a right to chose, then there would be a lot less frivolous and irresponsible sex resulting in many unwanted pregnancies (by women or men); Tax payers wouldn’t have to foot the bill for years of court dates to determine who the father is, who will pay child support and who will get custody. All of this would have already been determined before the child is born.
I am writing this because I had a son on April 21, 2000; a pregnancy/child that was not wanted by the mother but I begged her not to kill my son. She agreed but after a horrible fallout between his mother and I, she made it completely impossible for me to see my son. There was court ordered visitation, which she repeatedly disobeyed and even with police reports to prove my claims the court allowed her to keep my son away from me. It has been 5 years since I’ve seen my son and I ran out of money for lawyers a long time ago. I can’t retain a legal aid because I make to much money, but I never see any of that money because I pay an incredibly high child support. This is unfair and its time that men who step up to the plate as fathers are recognized and are given due respect by the court systems of America.
Disclaimer: This is not an Anti-abortion blog and I understand that there will many who disagree with this bill but the purpose of this blog is to get ideas on how to tweak the details
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January 23, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Andrew, you are wrong God hates abortion and you better read your Bible and repent.
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January 25, 2009 at 5:40 am
Wake up everyone. Wake up. I honestly cannot understand why it is okay to kill a person because of inconvinence? A fetus has a heart beat. Why do pro-choice people want to judge which lives are of value? What makes Margaret Sanger any more valuable of a life than a life that is inside her mothers body. When I think of abortion, I think of the movie the Matrix where the people get sucked into the phone line and you hear a loud computer like noise. Why why why do people kill others to enhance their own lives? Do these people not understand the abortion procedure? Do they not know how an abortion works?
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January 31, 2009 at 12:57 am
Melanie you are right abortion is murder.
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March 15, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Hi,
Interesting question. BUT, I will tell you the same thing that I told my Son. If you stick your body parts into someone else, your have given up any right YOU have to “Chose”. Just keeping it real.
Please remember, We were all “abortable”. Praise GOD…Choose Life…Don’t be fooled.
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March 16, 2009 at 11:44 pm
I do not think that you have grasped exactly what prochoicers mean by the right to bodily autonomy. It means that NO one can use your body without your complete ongoing and specific consent. In the case of sex, this means sex without consent ie rape. In the case of pregnancy (that ends in an abortion) this means that fetus that is using the woman’s body without her consent. So how would a forced abortion be ok under this concept? The fetus is using the woman’s body, only through her consent can it continue to do so which means she either consents and the fetus is born eventually or she doesn’t and she choosen an abortion. The father, who is NOT violating the woman’s body through pregnancy, then in turn, in your mind, should be allowed to violate the woman’s body by forcing an abortion upon her against her will? And you consider this NOT a complete infringment on her body, and her person?
If you are talking about child support laws, which it seems you have a misunderstanding going on as to the responsibilities of such laws, than a forced abortion would not be the way to “even” the playing field. I maintain that any man may deny the use of his body to any person that he choices, just like a woman should (in the case of abortion and others) Simply because men cannot choose to have an abortion does not mean that the system is bias….it means that men cannot get pregnant (blame it on mother earth not the laws) and therefor it is not a decision in which they should have any say in….no more than a man getting a prostate exam or a vasectamy should in any way be the woman’s decision.
Child support has to do with financial responsibility to an actual child that exists. It means that either both parents pay for the child upbringing or neither does. In the first case, unfortuntely, men are more likely to neglect the physical duties of raising a child (which include providing food, shelter, clothes, heat – all which means paying for it ie child support) therefor they are responsible for some of the financial responsibilites of raising the child. Or neither parent pays for the raising of the child ie adoption.
In child support laws, it is equal.
In abortion laws, under the premise of being about bodily integrity, it certainly is equal- as equal as it can be since men cannot be physically effected by pregnany or childbirth since pregnancy cannot be inflicted upon his body.
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March 17, 2009 at 12:06 am
To Jack…..
I’m sorry that you have had such a bad experience with said woman and that you have not seen your child.
My response is not to overshadow your situation or trivilize it, but to put the happenings of this country into perspective. The majority of men have the unfortunate habit of rejecting their responsibilites of their children, leaving the mothers, who chose life, to live in poverty to raise their child, with no help whatsoever. Child support laws wasn’t about forcing one parent to compensate the other parent, but more on the philosophy that a child has the right to recieve compensation from BOTH parents (if living) to assist in the costs of raising him/her. It was about their rights. Lets face it. A child requires money to raise. In most cases where child support is forced or the father has no communication or contact with his kids by choice, it is on the lower education and poverty scale, which means that already the majority of those children are going to be also in that end. If one parent rejects his responsibility than the child is the one that ultimately suffers and where is the justice in that if the ultimate goal is to care for our youngest and weakest of the society?
Another issue. If you are against abortion, which I am assuming that you are, how would allowing a father to reject his responsibilities in any way decrease the number of abortions? One of the number one reasons in which woman get an abortion is because of money issues, the less money the mother has the more likely she is to get an abortion. So if men are allowed to decide before hand that they will not in any way help out with the raising of the child, how will that help women to make the choice to give birth in the first place (childbirth costs on average $10,000 with no complications and vaginal birth not to mention prenatal checkup etc while an abortion costs on average only $300 for a surgical abortion) I would hope that no matter the political side of the debate you stand on the one common goal should be the reduction of abortions, by addressing the social need that women face when choosing one. The root cause on an abortion is an unwanted pregnancy as well as child rearing…..the policies that we impliment should always be with the intention of lower the need for abortions (and if you are prochoice like myself the balance between a woman’s ultimate right to choose, as well as fixing those social issues that cause an unintended pregnancy to begin with so that choice doesn’t have to be made)
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