There have been a large number of commentaries by individuals who dogmatically state that a women has no right ever to choose and abortion under any circumstance.
Yet when replied to by other individuals, they never respond with any objective reasoning?
To note, every professional, professional organization, and many clergy on the planet, from all the major religions, as far as we could tell from our diligence and vetting, including every right to life group that would respond, agreed with the position that women could end their pregnancy under this circumstance.
So Why do the commenters believe otherwise? I believe we will know by their continued absence of response. But we would be delighted to hear an intelligently formed argument against a women’s choice in this circumstance. No soliloquies or pulpits please, just he facts.
We want to give them the benefit of the doubt, so we ask one of these simple questions again.
Some respond with the same rhetorical gibberish, never answering the hard real world questions posed by so many intelligent and concerned individuals.
It is difficult to understand. It infers that people who harbor these dogmatic beliefs, will not allow their minds to accept the reality of women in need and the difficult choices they may sometimes must make. Instead of educating themselves they withdraw into the catacombs of ancient cliches, and reveal no education into biology, formal logic, ethics, or medicine. The issues are not that complicated. Would one person, one, please respond appropriately. It would be appreciated, as there has yet to be a good response to the very many important issues brought up regarding the women’s right to choose to control her own body.
One simple example I have seed posted, is the women with an anencephalic (a fetus that has had the misfortune of the developmental path that did not create the neurological substrate for brain formation) – In fact many do not even have cranium. They fetuses all die at, around, or before or shortly after birth and never cognate, unless one believes that cognition takes place in the liver (some do, strangely enough). It is extremely sad. These women will not have a successful pregnancy, as a severe anencephalic, has never grown a brain.
So, out of the hundreds of thousands of individuals who have been trained in Obstetrics and women care, NOT one has agreed with the lack of choice for that women to end her pregnancy.
That is intelligent to end these pregnancies early (please see the literature on this point as it is overwhelming without any deviance). As many of these women, if they choose to let the pregnancy continue, end up with hysterotomy, ruptured uterus, hysterectomies and lose child bearing, hemorrhage, infection from bloood transfusion, and even death.
At a minimum, they have gone full term to have a dead baby.
If there is a single person out there which can make an argument to why these women should not have the choice of ending their pregnancy we welcome that point and discussion.
In the absence of that we will conclude that this issue of anencephally is presently a settled discussion.
May 18, 2009 at 2:15 pm
How far into the pregnancy is she? Babies can live outside the womb at 23 weeks.
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May 20, 2009 at 11:40 am
She is two months. I know you mean well and believe me this decision is not taken lightly at all. It is her doctorS that are recommending this procedure. I am now closing this discussion and appreciate your comments and concerns. Thank you.
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May 24, 2009 at 6:58 pm
i may be only 14 yrs. old but i think abortion is very wrong i do have answers to all the arguments u may pose a child is a child from the moment of conception that child grows it feels it thinks and when u talk about all of this please tell me do u ever think that you couldve been aborted it s a concept many dont think about ive herd the argument what if it was rape well the simple answer is adoption and what if the womens life is at stake i say a childs life is far more importaunt than yours i cant remember others but those two stick out in my mind it dissipoints me that all you people didnt think of these simple answers but me a 14 yr. old child did
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May 26, 2009 at 11:04 am
hello…im anonymous and want to remain that way you people are sick!
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May 26, 2009 at 11:07 am
i think that abortion is wrong and that we should be FOR life not AGAINST it! just b/c wat u did was an error doesnt mean a baby is! it’s innocent and we have no right to take a baby’s life away .. it’s MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Anonymous
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May 26, 2009 at 11:08 am
i agree with comment #43!u r awesome!
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May 26, 2009 at 11:09 am
i agree with number 43! ya! ur awesome!
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June 4, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Harriet – How typical that you anti-lifers resort to name-calling when you disagree.
Elena – How convenient that you’re “running out” and can’t provide a more thoughtful response (because there isn’t one).
WomanforLife – You covered all the bases. Thank you – Well said!
These hags like to pretend it’s medical peril bringing women in for abortions, when in reality, abortions are performed for CONVENIENCE, as birth control, as though there isn’t already a myriad of birth control options on the market. Plus there’s always that “keep your pants on” option. As research I did a volunteer stint at Planned Parenthood. One “customer” already had 12 abortions when she came in a 13th time. That is murder, plain & simple.
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June 10, 2009 at 4:44 pm
First of all why do they call planned parenthood by that name when they should call it planned terminatin of life,I mean really,do they ever help the woman plan for the life of anything let alone a family,Pleasse,its all about how much money abortions bring in.they can’t make money off of planning families futures.
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June 17, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I am a young female,and brought up with morals and christian values,but that aside my personal beliefs are that a baby is a gift from God,I know there are mistakes people make in the process of having an unplanned baby,but it’s not that babys fault,it deserves a chance to live its life and become someone, doctor ,fireman or housewife raising her own children,they could be the one to discover a cure for cancer,unfotunatley thell never have a chance,while this nation belives in tossing out life like its last nights garbage,sorry for being frank but its the truth.
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June 25, 2009 at 4:27 am
At the end of the day the choice is yours. All the possible reasons have been provided as to the whether at any time of life – regardless of age – has the right to be ended by another person. So here is your choice… be honest!
You do not want to change your mind. To you the only choice is that a woman should have NO other choice than to kill her developing baby at whatever stage of life.
Therefore regardless of what is said, written, reasoned or unreasonable – it will make no difference to you, because you choose not to see that abortion is not beneficial either medically or psychologically to either the woman and definitely not the baby – let alone the medical advancement of pre and post infant and maternal care.
Indeed, if science is correct about the evolution theory – abortion has decreased our chances of evolving!
Please put your views where it counts and to provide women with true choice, the ability to have their children and raise them as they deserve to be raised – not the decision “I have NO choice but to kill my baby”
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June 29, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Lets just assume for a moment that our reasons for abortions are infact justified by every reason or excuse we conjur up,that still dosn’t make it any more right just relieves us of the guilt and shame that may follow.I had an abortion at a young age about 16yrs old and i remember how well they treated me and made me compfortable,but if they only explained the truth to me of how they were gona soon be tearing apart my baby in my womb the suking out the remaining body parts,if they could show you through a camera how the procedure would take place theres no way i would have went through it,but i was young and voulnerable,its gon be o.k,they said,but truth be told its all a lie ,they sugar coat the truth,now that im older i understand what procedures are done and it just sickens me.
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August 25, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I am tempted not to comment because I do not believe the quest here is for intelligence. It seems unlikely someone would ask for an intelligent response when his request contains an error in grammar or spelling. Please see the fourth paragraph the last line and I quote “just he facts.” was this supposed to read “just the facts.” Then the comments go on to allude pro life individuals are stupid. I am a college graduate working on my masters currently with a 4.0 grade point average. This is not about me, you, or name calling. This is about life and death. I take offense to the sub title of this page being “Inalienable abortion rights must be defended” I am currently unaware of any inalienable except those three listed in our Declaration of Independence Life being first. Liberty is listed second and the pursuit of happiness is third. All three of those inalienable rights are being denied to the unborn. Finally in the realm of being uneducated and stupid I take offense to the statement that the unborn child is the woman’s body. The DNA of the child is completely unique and is a combination of both the mother and the father. I know the mother carries the child, nurtures the child, feeds the child but this same process continues after birth if it is ok for the mother to kill the child before birth should it not also be ok for the mother to kill the child after birth?
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August 25, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Claude,
Would you allow abortion under any circumstance?
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September 10, 2009 at 2:32 pm
“1. would you kill a two month old? a 1 month old? How about an 8 month old? Could you look into that baby’s eyes and cut it apart? Knock it over the head? or anything that would kill it? If you say yes to this question, you are a cold-hearted ****** who is no better than a murderer or rapist. ”
If said 1 month old, 8 month old or 2 month old was physically attached to my body, and to break that physical link, ie removing their hand from my leg, would cause their body to die naturally (since they need said parasitic attachment to live) than yes it would be acceptable to remove them from my body. Their dying would be a flaw of nature that dictates that they cannot live without a physical parasitic attachment to another human being.
Are you saying that you would support laws being put into place that would charge a woman, her doctor, the nurse, and any other “accomplice” with first degree murder of a minor (a capital offense) where the punishment is at least 25 years to life?
“Brain waves are recorded around 7 weeks, if i remember right………. ”
I can detect electricity in a wire, but if the wire is not connected to the light bulb there will be no light. More goes into the brain then simply neurons firing. In order for the brain to function, it needs to be connected to the rest of the body. This does not occur until around 20 weeks.
“3. so a baby MAGICALLY becomes a person around a certain age? Because a baby can’t make decisions for itself, or think like us adults, automatically means its nothing? It’s disposable?”
It has nothing to do with that. If a grown man was attached to my body in the manner that a fetus was and to remove him would cause him death, I would still have the right to do so. It is nature that dictates that a fetus cannot survive without a physical parasitic attachment to another human being. This is physical dependency which is different than social dependency for survival which is what a born human being has…a social dependency on another persons actions to give them food, water etc. They don’t get said food and water from connecting to their body and remaining there.
“4.Why doesnt a baby, a HUMAN BEING, deserve a chance at life?”
It does…..it just does not have the right to use my body without my explicit, specific and ongoing consent to obtain said life. It has the same rights as everyone else, which means it has the same responsibilities and same constrains as everyone else. No one else may use my body without my explicit, specific and ongoing consent to obtain or save their life, neither does a fetus.
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September 16, 2009 at 2:43 pm
i just wanna say yall are sick for doing abortion. its cruel and unfailr
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September 23, 2009 at 12:16 am
I just, literarlly, had an abortion, and guess what…I’m not sorry. I don’t feel guilty, I will not feel guilty, and I am just fine with it. I even looked at the sonogram twice. I single parent in my 30s who was raped, and I didn’t deserve it, nor am I going to live with it. Period. I resented the pregnancy aka the baby everything. At least I’m honest enough to admit it. So why not adoption? That one is difficult to explain when I am an elementary school teacher. I love children, and espically my own daughter. However, I refuse to let religious dogma influence my decision that I am ALLOWED by the constitution to LEGALLY make. You know, even GOD gave Adam and Eve a choice. By taking away the choice, to me, that is also playing God just as “we” pro-choice people do. To you pro-life people out there, stay out of my business and my reproductive rights. I would have an abortion all over again whether it was legal or illegal. I would have risked dying to have this. So throw a plastic fetus as me because I am not a scared little girl. I’ll hurl it back at you. Honestly, the ultimate relief that flowed over me when I had it was amasing and wonderful. I feel like I have a second chance. Thank you Roe vs. Wade.
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September 23, 2009 at 12:20 am
By the way Claude Crocker IV, you have a run on sentence (last sentence in your paragraph) in your fancy quasi intelligent explination. Tisk, tisk. Your attempt at logic is almost amusing.
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September 23, 2009 at 7:57 am
Cassandra,
I cannot imagine how difficult your situation must be. First the trauma of rape, and then forced into pregnancy. Was the man who did this to you punished at all?
One thing that I suspect we all might agree on is the fact that it is unacceptable how often times a rapist goes unpunished.
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January 17, 2010 at 9:56 pm
MANY PEOPLE THINK ABORTION IS PRETTY MUCH OK, and most really believe that it is only legal for the first few months. Ask a person on the street to describe PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION, and they will just stare at you – and once you explain it to them, they insist that you are making it up, and they become angry with you for telling them something so gross. TRY IT!
SO WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT KILLING THE UNBORN?
EXODUS 21 THE BIBLE – KING JAMES version s says: 22If men (men or women, not gender specific) strive (conspire, take an action) , and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her [early, before its time, or with problems], and yet no mischief (permanent damage) follow: he (they) shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he (they) shall pay as the judges determine. 23And if any mischief (permanent damage for child or mother) follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 An Eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” (pretty much describes abortion techniques)_ Basically, whatever is done to the unborn child will surely be done to those responsible for the damage – any damage, any time, anywhere. God himself will have the revenge, folks – and may God have mercy upon their souls.
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