Ms. Sanger.
If you are unfamiliar with her please review her story.
This is not the place to regurgitate what is readily available throughout the web.
Choice. Persecution. The decision of others to legislate what a free minded, with all the liberties granted her by our founders.
If you are ProLife.
Please opine on all the cases where you would allow a women to make her own choice.
Rape by a father at 14?
Cervical Cancer?
A tubal pregnancy.
Instead of all the pro life rhetoric. Please address the difficult questions so we can find a common ground.
Remember the horrors of our historical mistakes on these issues.
How soon we forget.
Get educated.
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January 19, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Wow, a racist woman who wants to kill babies!!!!What an ispiration!
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January 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm
If a 14 year old girl is raped by her father is she allowed to take his life?
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April 6, 2009 at 9:47 pm
I have a friend that was raped by her older brother for as long as she can remember, but now she’s in foster care, but if she would have ended up pregnant, she wouldn’t have had an abortion and it’s because she loves life even though she has a horrible one and even if you believe in abortion please just hear me out, if a woman had a three year old little boy that she couldn’t take care of, would me make it legal for her to murder her son just so she wouldn’t have to do it In an unsanitary back alley? It’s a bad example but that sounds just as stupid to y’all as abortion sounds to prolifers. God bless you guys I hope I didn’t offend anyone.
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June 4, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Margaret Sanger was a racist who was a proponent of abortion mostly for blacks. She wrote that they were a filthy inferior race and did not deserve to proliferate.
So this is your role model, you anti-lifers?
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July 6, 2009 at 8:52 pm
I am pro-life, and the only time that I think it should be legal to have an abortion is when the mother would die if she went through with the pregnancy, for example with a tubal pregnancy (where the baby has no chance for survival). It has always been legal to kill in self-defense, but I can’t see the logic in it being legal to kill because that is your choice. We need to respect the rights of others- we shouldn’t expect our rights to override theirs.
So there is the common ground on your side of the issue. Where is the common ground on the other side? When should abortion NOT be allowed? In the ninth month? In the eighth month? When does a baby get the most basic of rights, the right to not be killed? When she is grown enough to survive outside the womb, around 22 weeks (five months) after conception?
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July 29, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Hello again, Rebecca– The follow-through on preventing abortion is raising the child. Would you rather permit one abortion or instead, 65 murders? That’s the number of victims Ted Bundy is believed to have killed (he is known to have killed at least 31). His mom couldn’t have an abortion. The next Ted Bundy is already growing up; what are you doing to prevent him from engaging the same future his predecessor did?
The overriding fact of the ‘pro-life’ movement is its aborticentrism. Why do they (and you) so much want to invest fetal life with the qualities they would most like to see in themselves? Because it’s all about them… If you think not, tell us how many hours a year and what percentage of your gross annual income you spend directly working one-on-one with children whose parents can’t or won’t care for them as is necessary. I’ve done 600 and 8% over twenty years. How about you?
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August 13, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Murder is murder regardless of the specifics. It is horrible that there is incest and rape .. totally horrible BUT to take the child’s life is still murder.
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September 25, 2009 at 2:07 pm
I was raped and became impregnated in 2000. It is a very rare occurrence, I’m told. I never considered an abortion. I’ve seen videos of abortions and it’s funny how no one wants to look at those. I married a terrific man when my son, who is now eight, was five years old. My husband legally adopted him the following spring.
“That was your choice, S. Meyer,” you might say. Well, let’s get one thing straight. The guise of “choice” does not mask the horrors inflicted on 50 million babies. Yes, I said “babies.” You see, what I have learned since having my son and two other children is that if the “baby” is an inconvenience or a potential inconvenience, indeed, if the pregnancy is unwanted, “pro-choicers” will not refer to the fetus as a baby. However, from the moment a woman who wants a baby conceives, every medically-based website on gestational development and her caretaker will refer to it as “your baby.” For those who want a baby and then “choose” abortion because there is a problem (i.e., Down’s Syndrome, genetic anomalies, etc.), the “pro-choicers” would have us believe that the baby, already recognized as such by wanting parents and medical professionals, is no longer a baby. How…convenient. Strip the child of its humanity before you execute it.
So what it boils down to is not a more enlightened position on life and liberty but a dangerous and morally relative hypocrisy. It reminds me of how we often use words like “homicide” instead of “murder”, “affair” instead of “adultery”, “promiscuous” instead of “slutty”, and “misspeak” instead of “lie.” I could go on but you get the point. “Choice” instead of “murder motivated by selfishness and a desire not to have life interrupted with the pesky inconveniences if a child…I mean, mass of cells.”
When an ultrasound is done on a mother who wants her pregnancy to run its course, the technician says, “there’s your baby.” It’s all about the baby. Before an abortion? I doubt that terminology is used. The ‘pregnancy’ is being terminated. Imagine how patients might squirm if the abortionist walked in and asked, “Are you ready to terminate your baby?”
So to you high and mighty advocates of abortion who love to portray “anti-abortion” advocates as ‘right-wing fanatics’ who don’t care about a woman’s right to choose, I vigorously submit that you take a look at your flawed logic. Yesterday, it was a baby. Today, because it is inconvenient and unwanted, it is a fetus. btw, the word ‘fetus’ is Latin for “offspring, unborn young, esp. in the later stages of development.” Shall we add the word “wanted” before those descriptions? Or would that be too uncomfortable for your liberal “open” minds?
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November 6, 2009 at 5:50 pm
cgregor, Where are you getting this that Ted Bundy’s mom couldn’t have an abortion? She had him at Elizabeth Lund Home For Unwed Mothers, where his mother lived. His father was never surely stated but it was believed his mother was seduced by a war veteran… It sounds to me like she made the right choice by getting help with the birth and upbringing of her son. Bundy’s maternal grandfather was said to have had violent tendencies. You mean to tell me that there is a Bundy predecessor out there growing up right now? ONE? SOMEWHERE? Seriously… get with it! People are a product of their circumstance! You mean to tell me you are not the person you are because of the events in your life? Bundy had chosen to act the way he did- were the other people in his family serial killers too? Perhaps there was a chemical imbalance that needed to be dealt with? In high school he hit a social wall. At that time, it probably would have been a good indicator that he may need help.
And according to the man who this site holds so high on a pedestal, on page 66 of The Audacity of Hope by Barack Obama, “… each of us can rise above the circumstances of our birth.” Ted Bundy had a choice to rise above the circumstances of his birth. He CHOSE not to. So you mean to tell me that we should just start randomly aborting our babies in FEAR that there will be another Ted Bundy in our wombs??? Where do you people come from… please snap out of it. Please.
How about instead of turning our heads whenever we see an individual who seems like they might need help, we lend a helping hand… When did America become such a cold place to live?
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November 15, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Reproductive freedom is essential to the essence of the law abiding rights
of women to control their bodies.
To infringe upon another’s private right of reproductive freedom
and control of one’s own body only subjugates women.
Women have the right to choose what they do with their bodies.
Prolifers, just give up. Stop killing doctors.
None of you even tried to answer the questions posed above in any intelligent manner.
It is revealing that one can pose any argument that
has any value to take away a women’s right to choose.
The precedent is set.
Women have this right.
It is here as proud part of our Republic that continually stands the test of time
It will not revert.
You might as well try and reverse the Emancipation Proclamation.
Now let’s move on and fix the other problems we have in our society, that three Bush terms caused,
and gave to this president to solve,
No other president in History has been given such a mess by a string of others presidents.
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November 16, 2009 at 9:36 am
Uh… the Emancipation Proclamation was the reversal. Review your history.
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November 16, 2009 at 11:08 am
Correct, and it was the right thing to do and it has not been reversed.
Thank goodness.
As will Reproductive rights.
They will not be reversed.
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November 17, 2009 at 8:49 am
I really think people are being overly judgemental. Everyone has the right to make choices that they feel are best for their lives. Who are we to past judgement upon them. So abortion would not be YOUR personal choice, GREAT!, so dont do it. But most of all dont past judgement on those who make a different choice from you. A woman who gets an abortion is not an evil, life-hating person as many of you are trying to portray her as. She is simply a person who made a choice, it may not be a choice that is popular with the general public but it was HER CHOICE. I am sure we can all look back in our lives and shack our heads at some of the choices we have made, some good and some bad. But regardless to the choice, whether the results where beneficial or not, we reaped the consequences. So, I guess what I am trying to say is maybe we should worry about our own lives, our own choices, and our own consequences. Because has times moves forward and the future approaches we as individuals will be held accountable for our own decisions. So lets stop pointing the finger at others and saying they are wrong. Instead look yourself in the mirror and evaluate your own lives and your own decisions and ask yourself: “Should I be judgeing others? Am I perfect myself?” Your answer might surprise you.
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November 17, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Monika,
I know these are different situations (so don’t jump on me about it)- but you try telling the families of the victims of 9-11 that the terrorists just made a CHOICE and that doesn’t make them “evil, life-hating” people. Murder is murder- now matter what.
And now you try telling those victim’s families to stop passing judgment on the situation and have them look in the mirror and ask themselves the same questions, “Should I be judging others? Am I perfect myself?”
Murder is murder. There is no grey when it comes to life and death.
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November 17, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Monika,
don’t listen to Rachel, she cannot create a compelling discussion on the topic.
Let’s see . . .
Rachel,
How should we treat babies growing in the fallopian tubes of women?
Shall we choose abortion?
It is a baby in the fallopian tube. Murder by your simplistic description.
A simple shot can save the mother’s life, if we follow your advice,
We would have thousands of more dead mothers around the world daily,
from this one issue, tubal pregnancy.
Please address that issue directly in regard to how you say there is no grey.
Regards,
Erin
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November 18, 2009 at 1:31 am
Erin,
I stick to my case, thousands of dead mothers verses thousands of dead babies…
Murder is murder.
Thanks for sharing!
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November 18, 2009 at 1:49 am
I’d also like to elaborate as I think I stated that pretty unclearly!
I understand in an ectopic pregnancy, both the mother and baby would die. However, I still understand that ending a life intentionally is a direct interference with the course of life…
(And so I still stick to murder is murder.)
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November 18, 2009 at 4:04 am
Rachel,
Please, so there is no lack of clarity.
You are congratulated on your unwavering adherence to the integrity of conviction, if nothing else.
You would let every mother (and baby) die, in ectopic pregnancy-
Rather than intervene to save the mother’s life.
You believe that doing an abortion on the baby in the tube is the direct equivalent of murder, murder being equal in all regards.
Is that accurate?,
Erin
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November 18, 2009 at 10:25 am
Erin and Rachel,
These arguments have been made over and over, and you probably won’t convince each other. So let’s just be honest- pro choicers are using the ectopic pregnancy, rape and incest arguments to divert us from focusing on the truth. If these are the real reasons for allowing abortion (which they are not) then let’s admit at least that in every other case abortion is murder, and take it from there. Ectopic pregnancy, rape and incest cases are rare compared to every other reason for an abortion.
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November 18, 2009 at 10:43 am
Beth,
you are on the right path, but you need more education unless I infer wrongly from your brief comment.
As your logic fails, and that is why you suffer the delusion of the diversion concept of discussing these items.
1) Is there any circumstance where doing an abortion in OK?
and not murder?
2) Is there any other situations you want to add to your list of rare events? As rare events can add up to a group that is not rare.
3) And what is rare, so we know?
1/10?
1/100?
1/1,000?
1/10,000?
Perhaps in Dan Quale’s case, only when it happens to your daughter?
May we start with that?
Seriously, is there any situation where Abortion it is OK?
And I will walk you through, you may not agree,
and that is your choice thank goodness,
but you will understand the logic.
and perhaps I will understand yours,
and that would be good for all of us, so Pro Lifers can stop murdering doctors and other innocent people.
Respectfully,
George
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