President Obama has indicated that he wants to help the pro-choice and pro-life movement find “common ground” on the issue of abortion. There are lots of cynics out there, from pro-lifers who say they could never agree with a “baby killer” to ardent pro-choicers who distrust anyone who would take away the constitutional right to abortion. Still, the President has persisted and several months ago his office sponsored a telephone conference call with representatives from both sides of the issue. Most participants say they felt that not much was accomplished.
Let me suggest that, if there is one thing that both sides of the debate have in common, it is they want to reduce the number of abortions. And to do that you need to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. You know the phrase: “every child a wanted child.”
What is the pro-life movement doing to reduce the number of abortions?
First of all, many of them, despite the position of their church, do support birth control. Some of them are reasonable and enlightened enough to understand that people will have sex and if they do they should use birth control. Then there are others, who are a little more dogmatic who say abstinence is the only way – the “Just Say No” crowd. A nice thought, but not very realistic. And, they say, if you have sex and become pregnant, well you’re out of luck. You’re having a baby. Get the shower announcements printed.
Of course, there are the pro-lifers who believe that they stop abortions by “educating” women as they are entering an abortion facility. If they can, they stop the women tell them “the truth about abortion.” If they cannot stop the women, they’ll scream at them at the top of their lungs. I’ve talked to pro-lifers about these tactics and they swear that they have “saved” a lot of “babies.” They tell me about the woman they talked to who suddenly learned exactly what abortion is. And they tell me she went home instead. Of course, they do not realize that that woman probably called a different clinic the next day and had an abortion elsewhere. But that is beside the point.
The general pro-choice movement certainly supports sex education, birth control, etc. which does reduce the number of pregnancies in this country. But I want to talk about the clinics that are listed on the website (www.abortion.com) that sponsors this blog. That website is a directory of clinics that perform abortions and offers other reproductive health services. And I would suggest that they do more to stop abortions than the average pro-life activist.
What most people don’t realize is that when a woman enters one of these clinics to have an abortion, the first thing that happens after filling out the paperwork is a counselor sits down with her and discusses the circumstances that led to her getting pregnant. During that conversation, the counselor will discover whether or not the woman was on birth control. I once attended a session and, when asked what kind of birth control she was on, the woman responded “I use Lady’s Luck.” I asked her what she meant and she replied “I just hope I get lucky and don’t get pregnant.”
The counselor will then spend time trying to determine what form of birth control is best for that woman: the depo-provera shot, birth control pills, an IUD. If it is determined that birth control pills are the best option, the counselor will usually give the woman a free, three month supply of pills. For many women, pills are very expensive so the clinic tries to make it as easy as possible to get that woman used to taking those pills. Once these discussions are complete, the woman will then have her abortion.
When a woman comes to an abortion clinic, the staff is ready to help but they also never want to see her again. The goal is to put the woman on a regimen that will hopefully prevent any more unintended or unwanted pregnancies. Despite the accusations of the pro-life movement, abortion providers are not anxious to see a woman several times for an abortion. While they would never judge them and will facilitate their desires, they also hope that the woman (and man) take less risks in the future.
I suggest that the pro-life movement does practically nothing to stop abortions. Their response is just don’t have one. On the other hand, the real work of preventing abortions is taking place right inside that very clinic.

April 5, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Without an “unborn innocent” to “rescue,” the so-called “pro-lifer” lives a life of (self-perceived)insignificance. While others around him might value his significance, he cannot, because of his underlying neurosis about his mortality. He cannot depend on others’ validation, because he cannot bring himself to trust their judgment. His insecurity is that great.
He must win their accolards according to his definition of signficance, yet his emotional fragility is such that he cannot exert himself in a truly significant way– so he creates his own role as “rescuer,” devotes an affordable amount of energy in pursuing it, and wins thereby.
It’s hardly surprising there is no “middle ground” between “pro-choicers” and so-called “pro-lifers.” Nobody wants to have to talk himself out of a job.
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April 5, 2010 at 4:11 pm
you always say so-called “pro-lifers”. Don’t the quotes imply “so-called?”
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April 5, 2010 at 4:16 pm
No, because the terms for either side are equally inadequate.
“Pro-choicers” would actually be more correctly called, “pro-responsibility,” because they weigh factors in determining whether or not to become, be or remain pregnant. I think for the most part they consider how likely they are to do well by the child to whom they would give birth. They for the most part do not go the, “Yippee! I’m going to be a pregnant woman!” route, but take the long view.
Hence, I give “pro-choice” quotation marks.
I apply “so-called” to the “pro-life” moniker because they are the ones who call themselves that but their track record for caring for the children they “rescue” is simply deplorable. The world needs to know that their title is arrogated, not earned.
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April 5, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Pro Choice individuals definitely do support women’s issues.
DK
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April 5, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Gosh , i really appreciate this blog thanks for the valued input. The greatest Blog for women’s rights…
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April 5, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Under a veneer of reason, PR serves us the penultimate lie about baby killing: contraception will reduce the number of babies killed. Before contraception was pervasive, relatively few babies were tortured to death before birth. Now, well over a million are each year.
What is the ultimate kayhaitcher lie. Before I say, I’ll wait till PR tells it.
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April 6, 2010 at 6:37 am
John Dunkle, your characterization that “babies were tortured to death before birth” is a mental construct you have adopted to serve your needs. The facts are that the act of torture intends to inflict pain deliberately on a being capable of feeling it. You make it sound as though abortion is a form of waterboarding, but it is not done to make the fetus confess to anything the torturer wants to hear. Second, since the fetus is incapable of feeling pain, it cannot be said to be a sentient being.
However, for your purposes– as an aborticentric, you engage in a metaphorical struggle for your own transcendance over death– it is necessary that you believe yourself to be fighting against the “torture” of an “unborn innocent.” You should take some time to learn about aborticentrism.
cg
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April 6, 2010 at 8:26 am
John Dunkle
do you understand that you are not even commenting on thread?
What about birth control?
The #1 cause for embryos to not turn into babies… Without dispute.
Are you OK with that?
Should we outlaw IUDs, hormonal birth control, and so on because they cause abortion?
Can you focus on a coherent answer?
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April 6, 2010 at 8:51 am
Thanks, Wanda, for your kind comments! And, John. John, John, John….I totally agree with Hilly – I haven’t the foggiest idea what you are commenting on, would love something that we could respond to. I’m still trying to figure out that “masturbation is contraception” or “contraception is masturbation” comment you made a few days ago! Focus, John, Focus…..
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April 6, 2010 at 10:54 am
Contraception is mutual masturbation — I picked that up, among other things, from George Bernard Shaw, a man before your time. What are those other things you want me to focus on?
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April 6, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Actually, John, GBS and I overlapped by a few years. No wonder I thought it delightful. I would suggest you focus on the difference between the Abortion Store and the Baby Store:
http://web.mac.com/charlesgregory/ABORTICENTRISM/The_Abortion_Store.html
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April 6, 2010 at 6:19 pm
JD,
GBS was not well known for this quote. In fact validation is in order.
His quotes are of notoriety are much more interesting.
John Dunkle,
doubtful your real name.
Please provide validity to the origin of this quote.
As well, could you have any discourse whatsoever? It is embarrassing allow your commentary on the site. Please, try.
Should a woman ever be allowed to have an abortion.
Should a woman be allowed contraception.
If you are fool-hearty you will be banned from the site. As a being a spammer.
Prove us wrong, please.
Regards.
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April 6, 2010 at 8:05 pm
I would love to see pro-choice and pro-life come together in unity. More could get accomplished if we’re all striving for the same goal.
While I DO NOT doubt that abortion clinics do their very best to educate women on birth control, and what they can do to NOT have to come back to that clinic, I happen to also know that there are pregnancy centers that do the same thing! And, although, they may not applaude abortions, they DO inform women of their options AND their right to CHOOSE abortion if they absolutely can see no other way out. This clinic that I speak of is absolutely FREE. Women are given counseling, clothing, food, baby items, adoption/abortion info, on-going care…whatever they need at that point in their life.
Can we not come together and CHOOSE LIFE and EDUCATION???
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April 6, 2010 at 8:10 pm
And please, cg, show me the proof that a fetus cannot feel pain…if you do, I may just have to agree that it is only a “fetus” and not a human being, and well…I guess that would go against everything I’ve been writing for.
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April 6, 2010 at 10:05 pm
James,
You are excellent as misinformation.
You must be intelligent and not moronic.
Study after study reveals the subterfuge of pregnancy centers.
Offices that perform abortion routinely offer adoption and inform.
Still you avoid all questions. Shall we call a few pregnancy centers and see what they say?
James, can a woman ever have the right to an abortion?
Can you reply intelligently. If you are not able by default, you reveal your inability to focus on an issue to discuss.
Are you capable of supporting your position, prove us wrong, that you are capable, I do not think you are. Are you an educated person, informed to the slightest degree before you create opinion to legislate?
Please, if you are able, and we do not think you are,
Now focus:
May a women have an abortion for a tubal pregnancy? or a complete Anencephalic infant?
James . . . ?
James . . . ?
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April 7, 2010 at 6:12 am
James at #14: The experience of pain requires having cerebral cortext functions that do not come into existence until after birth. Here’s one of many links on the subject: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-125831890.html
Now, if you were a true so-called “pro-lifer,” you would challenge and seek to overturn the science behind the fact. If you are not suffering from “pro-life” syndrome, you would indeed say, “Omigosh! I’ve been misled for years by those people!” and grant that pregnant women deserve to be free of molestation.
Cynic that I am, I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for your conversion.
cg
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April 7, 2010 at 6:31 am
I am not a physician, but I find it hard to believe that a fetus at 25, 26, 27+ weeks does not feel pain. That’s why I am opposed to third trimester abortions unless there are some very extreme circumstances.
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April 7, 2010 at 6:34 am
I like your idea, James, and there are people out there, like me, who try to seek “common ground” on the issue. And, you’re right, there are crisis pregnancy centers that are honest about what they do. Then there are those that are not honest. And there are good abortion providers and bad ones. Neither side has the monopoly on virtue. I totally agree with you that EDUCATION is the key…
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April 7, 2010 at 8:52 am
Pat, as much as we hate to witness the writhing that any organism goes through, the threshold definition for pain involves self-consciousness.
Since the fetal brain develops like any other– according to its station in the taxonomical scheme of things, it progresses from the establishment of core values due to the action of neutrophils in the emerging limbic system (the reptilian portion of our brain) all the way to the unconscious establishment of a sense of environment (mom’s heartbeat, husband’s regular beating of her on Friday nights, etc.) late in pregnancy.
Your attitude about fetal “pain” is an example of how our preferences, stereotypes and preconceptions are used by so-called “pro-lifers” in their PR work: If they can get you to continue to believe in fetal pain, they are that much more likely to undercut your opposition to abortion.
Also, of course, if society accepts that the fetus feels no pain, they stand to lose even more of their credibility as other claims appear weaker. So, they cannot afford to address the science on this. No quarter!
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April 7, 2010 at 10:32 am
I am not going to quibble about pain. To me, once the fetus is viable, I dont think it should be kiled unless the woman’s life or health was endangered. The thought of a woman going into a clinic at 29 weeks and saying she wants an abortion really bothers me.
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