There are all kinds of anti-abortion protestors. There are the ones who stand out in front of the clinics holding graphic signs while screaming all kinds of invectives at the women. It doesn’t matter to them that those women might also be going in for their annual pap smear or to pick up some birth control. They still remain the target of their vile, un-Christian behavior.
Then there are the protestors who just stand in front of the facility quietly praying. Sure, at times they might break out into song or into a group prayer led by some local religious figure but, for the most part, they just stand out there praying to God. At least I assume that’s who they are praying to.
I vehemently support the right of anti-abortion protestors to stand outside of a clinic and protest, even if they insist on shrieking “Don’t Kill Your Baby!” to the women as they are enter the facility. The First Amendment also extends to those who quietly pray on the sidewalk and who seem not as “angry” as the other whack jobs. Still, I would suggest that those who quietly pray on the sidewalk do almost as much harm as their more vociferous colleagues.
Let’s do something that the anti-abortion folks don’t do very often – let’s think about the woman who has just learned she is pregnant. But first, spare me the “well if she didn’t spread her legs in the first place” lecture. I get it. I know how you get pregnant. So, let ‘s move on.
The woman is pregnant and, unless she was actually planning on having a child, there is a good chance she is not happy with this development. Contrary to anti-abortion dogma, she just doesn’t run to the phone and make an appointment at the local abortion clinic. Normally, she will struggle with the decision. After all, she knows she is carrying a living organism in her body that will ultimately grow into her baby, so the notion that she might have to abort is not a pleasant one. To help make up her mind, she might consult with the man who was involved, her friends, her family or any religious figures in her life. Ultimately, she may decide that she cannot have the baby. It is a difficult decision making process and her decision to abort is a sad one.
So, she makes the appointment and normally has to wait a few days. That’s a few more days for her to keep thinking about her decision. The day finally arrives and she goes to the clinic. She has heard about the anti-abortion zealots who demonstrate at the clinics and tries to prepare herself, although she really doesn’t know what to expect. As she approaches the facility, she notices about twenty people congregating out front and her blood pressure immediately rises. She prepares to be verbally attacked.
She gets out of the car and walks up the pathway to the front door, trying not to look at the group of protestors. She is somewhat surprised that they are not yelling at her, notices that they are holding Bibles and praying quietly. But she is still embarrassed. She knows they are there because of HER and they are there because they do not approve of what she did (have unprotected sex) and what she is about to do (abort the child). They are clearly not there to provide her comfort in her time of need. They are there because they do not want her to have the abortion.
On this blog, I’ve had a running commentary with a respectable pro-lifer who prays in front of a clinic. But, unless I missed it, I have yet to get a clear answer as to why he has to be AT THE CLINIC. If you are praying to God, what does it matter where you pray? I thought you could be anywhere and still communicate with Him.
No, I suspect there is something else going on here although I just can’t put my finger on it. Is there some voyeuristic pleasure out of seeing a woman who clearly has had (dirty) sex going in for a (dirty) abortion? And please don’t tell me they are there to share their stories with the woman and to tell her she has other options. They know damn well that they cannot help her if she decides to have the baby. Sure, they might give her some diapers and clothes, but gimme a break. Chances are they’ll never see that woman again and, if they did succeed in talking her out of the abortion, they just exchange high fives and congratulate each other on their “save.”
So, instead of doing something else for humanity for those few hours or praying quietly at your home for an end to abortion, you are out there at the clinic disturbing the women.
Why are you out there, my friend?


December 21, 2010 at 4:15 pm
In order to benefit fully from their allegorical struggle– the one in which the fetus represents their eternal soul and they represent the God who should “rescue” them, aborticentrics– people who can’t care for human life once it’s been born– have to experience tangible proof of their participation in the battle. Prayer in a chapel, a foxhole or a bathroom is just as effective as prayer on the sidewalk, but they cannot believe that. Their faith needs bolstering with as much temporal and mundane evidence as they can garner from their senses.
I think it’s evidence of how weak their Christian faith is, despite their proclamations to the contrary.
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December 24, 2010 at 6:57 am
Chuckles, people who say they are pro-life you say are “… people who can’t care for human life once it’s been born …” You have no idea whether this is true or not. Because your father was that way, you say all pro-lifers are that way. You’ve been repeating this again and again since I’ve met you. It is nothing else but slander.
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December 21, 2010 at 5:14 pm
I think that whether protesters are aggressive or not, they are intentionally invading the privacy of patients and support, and that the bottom line for both types of protester is ego, ego, ego. That smug, superior, mean-spirited behavior is not consistent with the Sermon on the Mount.
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December 22, 2010 at 9:40 am
I agree efx. I just cannot imagine Christ standing in front of an abortion clinic.
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December 23, 2010 at 12:15 am
i can’t imagine him performing one or taking someone in to have one.
but i guess we have different views of him.
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December 23, 2010 at 5:04 am
Can’t help repeating this even though it upset Rog: if Christ were there, he’s pick up a weapon and clear the place out.
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April 19, 2011 at 11:34 am
Jesus would never do what the protestors do.
The are vile.
As a follower of Christ, our savior, I would never do that. It is not doing what Jesus would do.
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January 31, 2011 at 10:21 am
Wow, Ellen? You Catholic too? And the fx does stand for Frances Xavier?
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April 19, 2011 at 5:04 am
efx…I so agree with your comment!! The “typical protester” does NOT make me think of a “good & loving” christian…some of them spew such vile hatred towards anyone going into a clinic!! It really doesn’t matter whether they are entering to go to work or entering for an abortion or any other service the clinic may offer…
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April 19, 2011 at 11:37 am
The typical protestor is not a real Christian.
They will suffer horribly for their sins against our Lord.
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December 21, 2010 at 10:50 pm
I don’t have any answers just yet but consider a few more questions.
If these protesters are against birth control, which the majority, are, why don’t they protest OB-GYN doctors?
If they are against sterilizations such as vasectomies, why aren’t they up in arms with urologists?
If they don’t believe is sex outside of a heterosexual marriage, why not fight insurance companies who pay for Viagra, Cialis and other erectile dysfunction (ED) drugs?
If they want only sex to be natural, why not realize that ED is natural?
If they don’t believe in abortion, yet they believe that God put that child in a woman’s womb, and, they know, that women abort due to natural causes, why do they believe abortion is wrong? If God gives us free will, brains to think things through, isn’t making a decision about an unplanned pregnancy a moral obligation?
Just thinking out loud… Kate
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December 22, 2010 at 2:10 am
great questions, kate!
i am opposed to atrificial birth control, but i also know that it is often used to help aid ailments outside of being used as birth control.
as far as ED, i will have to ponder that.
i am pushing 50, and being celibate by choice, there are times when i find myself thinking “futball futball futball”, so to be frank, i don’t have an answer to that at this point.
but i will think about it and maybe we could chat about it?
we always have great discussions whether we agree or not and i always get great insight from you.
regarding free will, that is something that lifers need to consider.
accepting someone’s free will doesn’t mean that we approve of their decision.
but if we accept their free will, we will not treat them badly and deliberately try to invoke hurt.
here is something else you could pose to some of the rabid antis that you encounter.
you can purchase artificial birth control in the grocery store, so if someone buys groceries, they are helping to rpomote it.
of course we have to eat, but you don’t have to help them with their answer, but pose that to some of them sometime and point out that if they buy groceries, they are promoting hormonal birth control that can actually work after fertilization.
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December 22, 2010 at 9:43 am
Rogie, why are you opposed to artificial birth control?
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December 23, 2010 at 1:08 am
because i believe that a new life is formed at fertilization.
hormonal birth control works in one of three ways.
it either prevents ovulation.
it creates a cervical mucus that prevents the sperm from reaching the egg.
OR it thins the lining of the uterus, preventing a fertilized egg from implanting.
i also don’t like the idea of someone being on a certain medication for 20 years at a time.
iuds work the same way, and they scare the crap out of me.
i grew up seeing women have complete hysterectomies and even dying because of the dalcon shield.
besides that, it was creepy feeling the string.
and they can still fail. how many times do we see unplanned pregnancies when artificial birth control was used.
NFP is actually more successful than barrier methods, but so many choicers are against it for their own reasons.
condoms can break and other barriers can dislodge if a couple gets too freaky deeky.
we were using condoms when my gf and i were faced with an unwanted pregnancy.
it was probably somehow related to that unfortunate cattle prod incident.
but that is my opinion.
people will do as they choose regardless of what i think.
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December 23, 2010 at 7:51 am
Your best, Rog, absolutely your best.
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December 23, 2010 at 12:18 pm
You oppose artificial birth control because of the slight chance that it might fail??? Or because the IUD “feels funny?’ And NFP works better than birth control? I’m sorry, Rogie, but what planet do you live on??
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December 23, 2010 at 2:50 pm
>>>You oppose artificial birth control because of the slight chance that it might fail??? Or because the IUD “feels funny?’ And NFP works better than birth control? I’m sorry, Rogie, but what planet do you live on??<<<
ay yi yi yi yi!
did you even read what i said?
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April 19, 2011 at 5:32 am
Sorry…”Roggie”there are just to many variables for NFP to be reliable! Most women are NOT on a consistent 28 day cycle! Once that cycle varies just “a little”..then “hi-ho..hi-ho” it’s off to the clinic I go…
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April 19, 2011 at 11:48 am
Rogelio,
1) at what lingual event in the process of fertilization is the new life formed?
2) you are absolutely wrong about only three ways Hormonal Birth Control works, there are many other mechanisms, however I don’t believe that harms your point
3) Using the Dalcon shield as an example of your beliefs on IUDs means you need a lot of reading to get caught up to the 21st century regarding IUDs and their safety.
4) The literature has tomes of data that all birth control methods fail to a degree. NFP fails to such a horrible degree, you might as well call people that use it parents.
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December 22, 2010 at 9:42 am
They don’t go elsewhere because it is not “sexy” enough. The wont get covered in the press. And, as Charles might say, they need to be a “hero” to the fetus. Right Charles???
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December 23, 2010 at 1:11 am
there has never been press at any of the vigils i have been at.
the press covers the protesters who are redfaced and spitting and screaming.
that sells newspapers and increases television ratings.
quiet prayer doesn’t. nobody wants to hear about that.
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December 21, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Oh, one more thing. Some of the protesters at the clinic in Allentown PA have admitted that they are scared of escorts and some of the clients’ companions, so much so that they play the friggin’ victim. Well, boo hoo. I just wish they would think about someone else for a change, like the woman who attempts to enter a clinic with some semblance of privacy only to be invaded by the cows and asses of the holy manger.
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December 22, 2010 at 2:17 am
i have seen actual videos of the protesters there.
if they are scared of the escorts and the companions, it begs the question “what did you do to piss them off?”
are all of the protesters at that clinic like that?
if they aren’t, then why are they never confronted by the protesters that know it is immoral to scream at these people?
they have an obligation to keep their vigil under control.
i think that there is a serious need for buffers at that clinic.
my understanding is that the protesters actually touch some of the patients. is that true? if it is, it is unacceptable.
the only time there is physical contact between me and the people who approach me is if THEY initiate a handshake or a hug.
there is no way in hell that the behavior that those protesters display is acceptable.
that place needs some buffers.
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December 22, 2010 at 9:45 am
Over the years, the protestors have become smarter and they usually don’t touch the patients because they know they could be charged with assault..
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December 23, 2010 at 9:49 am
That never happened, Pat. But I’ll tell what I saw a few times — a woman who would save a child every time she went to the mill. The one I remember most clearly lived on Long Island. She would walk up to the pregnant woman, hug her, cry, and every time they would leave together. But she burned out, as did the others. The only people who last at the mills are like me — placid, unemotional, never changing.
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December 23, 2010 at 12:20 pm
What “never happened”, John?
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December 23, 2010 at 2:42 pm
You implied that at one time protesters touched the clients. I’ve never seen that, except with those women I mentioned.
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April 19, 2011 at 6:42 am
“hm mm….Dunkle” I think I have seen that same “touching” skit…also performed here…”different clinic…different protester..different actor”…but done every w/e once of Friday & once on Saturday!! The clinic knew it was a “lie”…the “protesters knew they were liars…the other patients did NOT care..because it was none of their business!!!
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December 24, 2010 at 7:00 am
Everybody lectures us but nobody asks us what we do.
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April 19, 2011 at 11:53 am
Who gives a shit. The protestors are a bunch of women hating idiots.
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December 22, 2010 at 9:44 am
I always loved hearing that THEY were scared! Well, I would be scared to go down a dark alley in Manhatten at 3:00 a.m. So, guess what? I dont go down a dark alley in Manhatten at 3:00 a.m.!!!!
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April 19, 2011 at 5:56 am
“the cows and asses of the holy manger”…I LOVE IT!! It made me..and my husband laugh “out loud” before 7AM so it has to be funny!!! Thanks for the chuckle…
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December 22, 2010 at 1:26 am
i have tried to explain my reasons for being there, but the problem isn’t answering, is it helping you to understand the answer.
the answer isn’t a simple one, but the factors involving abortion are also complex.
i think that people on either side of the debate that use blanket evaluations are not being completely frank in their analyses.
as i said before, i think that while you show a great deal of tolerance towards the opposing camp, you also have a lot of misconceptions not just about my motivation, but also about the motivation of many pro-choice institutions.
but i think that is understandable.
you have dedicated your life to ensuring that women receive the care that they seek, and have worked with a number of clinics that have that same motivation.
but the truth is that not every pro-choice entity has the same motivation that you do. some are there simply to sell and promote abortion.
i have seen you call such clinics and people to task. but despite your hard work, and that of others like you, there are many more of them that exist.
the clinic that i pray in front of is such an institution.
and with all due respect, i think you also are generalizing about the women who are seeking abortions.
every woman and her reasons are unique.
every protester and their motivations is unique.
every clinic and staffer is unique.
every cpc is unique.
there may be common aspects or goals with any of them, but the aspects that are different aren’t negated.
i have no problem with continuing to try to help you understand why i am there.
but i also am under no illusions that you might never approve of it.
i will keep trying using shorter posts because this is your blog, not a book i am writing
jajajajaja
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December 22, 2010 at 1:50 am
let’s start with how i see the women and couples that seek abortion.
i see the act of abortion as immoral, but that does not mean that i see those who seek them as immoral.
if someone has ever told a lie in their lifetime, i wouldn’t define that person forever as a liar, would i?
dirty sex? i hardl;y see it that way.
i have my own past, and i was probably a bigger skank many times over theen the people who approach me as i pray.
i don’t think it is prudent to define people by an isolated act.
also most women who seek abortions identify as either evangelical or catholic. so i have that in common with them.
they don’t need my approval to abort of they choose to.
but even if they choose to abort, they are still god’s children.
i work in conjunction with several cpc’s that have the qualities that i mentioned in an earlier thread.
they aren’t the types of places that so many people stereotype cpc’s as being.
the women who approach me are totally unaware of that.
some of the women who approach me are unaware of what a cpc is.
if a woman is unaware of her options, she can’t have given the thought into it that she would if she knew all of her options.
but the cpc’s that i work with can offer far more help than just diapers or clothes. they can offer the help that i listed in the earlier thread. that’s a lot of help, patty.
kate asked me in my blog what guarantee i have that such help would be there for as long as she is a mother.
the truth is that i can’t guarantee it.
i can’t guarantee that god will allow me to wake up tomorrow.
but i can guarantee that if they want, i will help them with all of my ability and that the entities that i send to them will help them as long as they exist.
i have had more pregnant “roommates” than you can imagine through the years, and they are all still good friends that i am blessed with.
but even if she is aware of the help to be had, and still chooses to abort, she is still a person worthy of dignity and respect.
maybe she is relieved at the outcome of her choice and will remain so.
in those cases, i am truly grateful.
maybe she is initially relieved, but will later regret it, which sometimes happens.
if she has approached me and learns of my regret, i have the chance to let her know that there is healing, and if she later regrets it, she can realize that there is healing and hopefully not live a lifetime in silent regret as i did.
or maybe she immediately regrets her choice, but was coerced, which is common at the clinic i go to.
i can lead her to someone that can help her.
even if she aborts, she still matters.
i will write more later on other aspects.
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December 24, 2010 at 9:00 am
So, you feel pleased, grateful, maybe even empowered when you get a woman to do what you want. And the baby? How come you don’t offer to help her raise the child?
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January 3, 2011 at 12:41 pm
nope. never said that.
please read and if necessary, reread what i DID say.
the baby?
i have indeed offered to help raise the baby.
i have also been taken up on that offer numerous times through the years.
however, at a certain point, the women have wanted to go on their own and often to raise their children either on their own, or with a partner.
i have always made it a point not to allow any sort of romantic involvement between the women and myself, as it would not be in either their best interests or my own.
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January 3, 2011 at 12:57 pm
So, rogelio, you make it sound as though the major difference between your experience and mine regarding care for real hunman life is that I don’t expect women not to have abortions. Curious!
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January 4, 2011 at 12:32 pm
i don’t expect them not to have them either.
women have always had abortions, legal or not, safe or not, and they always will out of a sense of desperation.
desperate people take desperate measures.
we each have our own ways of attempting to alleviate that desperation, bro.
but even if they do choose to abort, my prayer is that they will walk away and be able to go on with their lives without inner turmoil, and may god bless them.
if they do end up hurting, they can have a friend in rogelio. he gives them his number, and he will help them anyway that he can.
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December 22, 2010 at 5:33 am
I’ve only skimmed Rog’s responses to Kate’s six questions because I don’t want them to influence mine:
“If these protesters are against birth control, … why don’t they protest OB-GYN doctors?” (We missed our chance. Because we were too weak, we are now killing over a million people a year.)
“If they are against sterilizations such as vasectomies, why aren’t they up in arms with urologists?” (That will come after we stop the slaughter of the innocent.)
“If they don’t believe is sex outside of a heterosexual marriage, why not fight insurance companies who pay for Viagra, Cialis and other erectile dysfunction (ED) drugs? (second the urologists, third the insurance companies)
“If they want only sex to be natural, why not realize that ED is natural? (absolutely)
“If they don’t believe in abortion, yet they believe that God put that child in a woman’s womb, and, they know, that women abort due to natural causes, why do they believe abortion is wrong?” (Rewrite this question.)
“If God gives us free will, brains to think things through, isn’t making a decision about an unplanned pregnancy a moral obligation?” (Sure, and the moral obligation must be not to kill someone.)
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April 19, 2011 at 11:58 am
Then why are you an advocate of murderers?
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December 22, 2010 at 9:49 am
So, Rogie, I have to ask for a clarification: Are you outside the clinic in the hopes that one of the women will walk over to you, thus giving you the opportunity to talk her out of the abortion?
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December 23, 2010 at 12:13 am
while i hope that she won’t abort, if she want to abort, there is nothing that anyone can do to stop her.
i simply explain my own story and offer her the choices that the clinic won’t offer her.
contrary to what you say here, not all women are aware of their choices. at that point, they think abortion is their only choice given the circumstances they are in.
all clinics don’t offer the same services that the ones you write about do.
more on that in a bit.
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December 22, 2010 at 11:38 am
I still believe that the majority of folks who are anti abortion do NOT believe in a woman’s moral agency. What is morally acceptable for one would not be morally acceptable for another. But someone, anti abortionists make judgments such that if you aren’t with us, you aren’t moral. But let’s face it, morality is contextual.
Until we can accept women as moral agents, women will continue to be second class citizens made to conform to the whims of patriarchal misogynists.
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December 23, 2010 at 1:36 am
i can only speak for myself, but while i see abortion as immoral, i also think it is just to define someone by an isolated act.
i also don’t necessarily see those who support or work in clinics as immoral.
it is really easy to say what a person should do until you are in their shoes.
even if a person commits an act that i think is immoral, they are still god’s child.
i know people who work in clinics that honestly feel in their hearts that they are doing a good thing. i think they are misguided, but certainly not immoral. but that’s alright because they think the same of me.
i know other lifers that feel the same way as i do.
i also know choicers that think i am immoral for praying in front of clinics.
i know my own past, and i am not at all comfortable with viewing someone as immoral for choosing to abort.
god forgives, but people don’t.
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December 22, 2010 at 6:30 pm
thenotsodailyherald is perfectly accurate.
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December 22, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Women should always have the final say.
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December 22, 2010 at 6:36 pm
I have seen anti abortion protesters and they make me sick.
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December 23, 2010 at 12:59 am
ok, here i will speak some about the clinics that i have prayed at.
i didn’t actually start praying in front of clinics until a couple of years ago.
before that, my experience with the pro-life movement dealt more with taking in women who were thrown out for being pregnant. some of them stayed until after their babies were walking.
i adopted my daughter, and despite how things turned out, i don’t regret doing it.
the clinic that i currently pray in front of is in a middle class hispanic neighborhood.
it is set off back from the main drag and has a wide driveway. the entrance can’t be seen from where we are at, and there is a large buffer between us and the near side of the clinic. there is also a back driveway, and can be entered from the side road that the nearby catholic church is on.
when i say that people have to go out of their way to approach me, i’m not kidding. but they do, and they do regularly.
the clinic’s form of pre-abortion counseling consists of the questions “are you sure about your decision?” and “is anybody forcing you to do this?”.
i know that from the women who have been there. some of those women seemed very relieved and some weren’t, as well as those who spoke to me before undergoing a procedure.
their form of post abortive counseling is “you’ll be fine.”
NO other options are discussed by clinic staff.
this also comes from the women who approach me.
i have encountered some of the more adamant abortion supporters who believe that pre-abortive counseling undermines a woman’s choice.
it seems that if a woman isn’t making an informed choice, she wasn’t given much choice at all.
but we are all entitled to our opinions.
i know that all clinics are not like this one.
there are some clinics that offer a wide variety of choices including pre and post adoptive counseling and services.
but this one doesn’t.
to be frank, i don’t know if i would pray in front of one of those clinics. it might be more effective to have a reputable cpc, with the services like we discussed earlier and invite the clinic manager and counselors to see for themselves those services and invite them to refer their patients to us.
i know those cpcs exist because i work in conjunction with them.
there are just as many exposes of sleazy clinics that hide child abuse to sell abortions and send the victim back out to continue being abused, or cover up coerced abortions, etc, as there are of the foaming at the mouth protesters and cpc’s that lie or use scare tactics.
for either side to deny that such places and people exist or to try and diminish the acts, serves only to perpetuate them.
i will share my thoughts on cpc’s later.
i know you already know them, but some of your readers who don’t know of our running dialogue might find it interesting or have some ideas that they want to share.
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December 23, 2010 at 1:39 am
in case anyone is wondering why i didn’t speak of the violence that clinic workers deal with, i plan to do that when i express my views on protesters.
so please don’t think that i was disregarding that aspect of the situation.
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December 23, 2010 at 12:24 pm
So, Rogie, although you can pray to God anywhere you are outside the clinic in the hopes that a woman (who is going through a very difficult time) will see you and come over to talk to you?? And your hope, of course, is to talk her out of the abortion. So, basically, you want a piece of the action, right?
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December 23, 2010 at 3:45 pm
nope.
you don’t seem to be grasping anything that i have been saying thus far.
i am trying to point out that faith without works is dead. i must be present for that part.
it would be absurd to suggest that i could talk strangers out of aborting if that is what they were sure of doing. even the law can’t do that if that is what a woman wants. it never did before roe v wade, did it?
all i can do is offer her the choices that the clinic isn’t offering her.
if she chooses to abort anyway, i can pray in gratitude if she is unwounded, and let her know of post-abortive healing if she ever does realize that there are wounds. that part is very important. initially, the majority of women feel relief, but sometimes, they later realize that there are wounds, if they didn’t already feel them.
i am not by any means saying this always happens, but it does happen sometimes, and sometimes, it is delayed.
if they are unaware that there are healing programs and that they work, they will never seek that healing.
people that are pro-choice should WANT for women facing unplanned pregnancies to be offered ALL possible choices, and not just abortion.
the clinic i pray in front of does not offer solutions to unplanned pregnancies other than abortion.
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December 24, 2010 at 9:06 am
Faith without works, Rogelio, is praying your targeted woman will have a baby and then not committing yourself to its welfare. That’s faith without works.
Try it this way– pray for her in your living room, then go to the home of some single parent and tell her that whatever her children need, you will sacrifice to provide. Now, THAT would be real faith with works.
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December 26, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Thanks, CG. I just do not “grasp” what Rogie is saying. Honestly, Rogie, I sometimes dont even read your stuff because I think it is religoius gobblygook. The bottom line is you are invading a woman in a very delicate, sensitive time and upsetting her. CHRIST would not be in front of a clinic, even if that clinic did not “offer option” as you said. By the way, what clinic do you pray at????
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January 3, 2011 at 12:08 pm
ok, so you ask me a question and admit that you don’t listen to the answer, and come to a conclusion that the bottom line is that a latino man in a latino neighborhood is invading the space of someone else?
ok, well, once again, thank you for your insight and i will be sure to give it some thought.
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January 3, 2011 at 12:17 pm
actually, that is ONE OF THE MANY ways that faith with works is implemented.
i have done it the way that you suggested.
now i also lead her to people who can help them even more than i alone can.
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December 23, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Rog’s got your answers, Pat. From “Seeds” by Courtney Kampa: “…The woman falls back, withered/with relief…”
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December 24, 2010 at 9:18 am
The so-called “pro-lifer” opposes birth control in all its forms because it denies him any access whatsoever to his chosen field of battle. He needs unwilliingly pregnant women, because without them he cannot struggle against his invented demon, abortion.
It’s probably tied in with the well-established fear of sexuality which people consciously or unconsciously associate with Death. Read Freud. Pace Dunkle, it is not that association with death that makes people “mentally ill,” but how they deal with it.
The fact that a so-called “pro-lifer” cannot make the connection between his need to coerce or manipulate the birth of a child and his responsibility to meet the child’s needs indicates an out-of-whack ability to process reality, much the way an alcoholic can’t make a connection in his illness.
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January 3, 2011 at 12:22 pm
JAJAJAJAJA
i grew up in the 70’s. believe me, i have no fear of sexuality.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh,
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooooooooooooooh
Yeah
Get off
Music may ease and end all discretion
So we can get off
We keep under the sheets with two lovelys
So we can get off
Said I hope that we get the promise, ladies
And make me get off
Take it from girls with our imagination
So we can get off
Call me up at your place, I can love you crazy
In the heat you will understand
Danger and excitement
That’s what makes a lady
Find out what she wants in a man
To get off
To get off
To get off
To get off
To get off
To get off
To get off
To get
Get off
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December 24, 2010 at 9:52 am
Holy moly, Chuckles, you are coming around: Dunkle “…cannot make the connection between his need to coerce or manipulate the birth of a child and his responsibility to meet the child’s needs…” afterwords! Finally she’s a child I am trying to get born, no longer a “humanoid,” not even and “unreal” child! I realize I am a great teacher, but I didn’t think I’d be this successful with you, of all people.
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December 26, 2010 at 8:14 am
POSTED BY: “DUNKLE”
“That never happened, Pat. But I’ll tell what I saw a few times — a woman who would save a child every time she went to the mill. The one I remember most clearly lived on Long Island. She would walk up to the pregnant woman, hug her, cry, and every time they would leave together.”
So “Rogie” I know that you know not all of the lifers are legit …
I also saw this..during the “reign of terror” of one of our notorious protester’s..except that she always “walked up to the pregnant woman, hugged her, cried with her”…UNFORTUNATLEY IT WAS ALWAYS THE SAME WOMAN”….the patients that the display was for did not know that it was a crock of s _ _ t!!! I just had to say that!!!
If a woman has gone to the clinic and immediately walks over to talk with the protestor’s…then chances are she was NEVER sure of her decision…(unless it was a set-up)!! There are some CPC’s that are legit and I had a “working relationship” with that one!! They can lend furniture and clothes and some prenatal care….but then it comes to a SCRETCHING halt!! So then what..well they don’t want her to think that far ahead for fear she will proceed with the abortion! Then there are some CPC’s that just string the woman along until they are sure she is too far along to get the abortion!! Then as my grandchildren say sometimes “see ya later..wouldn’t want to be ya”…
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December 26, 2010 at 1:42 pm
And what a lot of pro-lifers dont understand is that some/many women talk to the protestors but then either come back at some other time or, more likely, go to another clinic for the abortion….
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January 3, 2011 at 12:45 pm
also sometimes they have talked to me, and then gone and had their abortion. sometimes they have spoken to me after the fact. sometimes they were relieved, sometimes not.
i still let them know that if they ever need it, there is post-abortive healing available, and if they never need it, then i am grateful that they are alright.
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January 3, 2011 at 12:14 pm
i know that some of the protesters are just putting on a show.
just like some of the choicers are just putting on a show about really caring about women.
and your point about women who will go over and talk to protesters not being sure of their decision is an excellent point and on that i have been trying to make to others in this thread.
interestingly enough, the point you make about some cpc’s is one that i have pointed out many times to other lifers.
recently, there was a new one that opened up locally, and they want to only help women until the baby is a year old and have no backup plan to refer them to after that point.
i refused to back them.
i think we need to work on the ones that already exist before opening new ones.
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December 26, 2010 at 10:45 am
Well, Lorraine’s post is an excellent illustration of how aborticentrism drives the so-called “pro-lifers.”
Fakery, deception, abandonment.
All engaged in for the purpose of meeting their own needs.
Having acted out their definition of “rescuer,” they dump the mother, the subsequent child, and any responsibility for real human life. At least they have the sense to generate what PR they need in order to divert the attention of the public from their true agenda.
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January 3, 2011 at 12:23 pm
please name one woman or child that i have abandoned.
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January 3, 2011 at 3:56 pm
I paint with a broad brush because I don’t know every so-called “pro-lifer” individually, rogelio. obviously, you are an exception. Which makes three of you out of the hundreds I’ve dealt with.
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December 26, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Chuckles finds Lorraine’s post excellent! I find it a mishmash of gobbledygook. Language in the world of the killers’helpers is translatable only by themselves.
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January 3, 2011 at 12:47 pm
i find her post excellent as well.
i consider her a close friend, and she and i have open honest discussions in which we discuss what we feel are the weak as well as the strong points in our camp.
she simply mentioned a weak point in the pro-life camp
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