Before I became a lobbyist for the abortion rights movement, I spent a lot of time working for several Members of Congress. It was a fascinating experience – especially the nightly, free all-you-can-eat and drink receptions hosted by some big lobbying group (the National Association of Realtors and the Mortgage Bankers Association always had the best parties).
A short while ago, one of my readers asked in so many words how Members of Congress sort out all of the information that crosses their desks. Specifically, she asked about information and statistics that are health-related and, I assume, that might be related to reproductive rights. In essence, she was asking about the decision making process. Here are my thoughts based on my experience:
When they run for Congress, within hours of filing their papers the candidate will be asked about their position on abortion. There’s no way they can avoid it. So, right up front the candidate has basically declared if he or she is pro or anti. Now, if asked about their position on the deficit, they’ll say they want to reduce it but then will start fudging on the specifics. On abortion, it is much harder to fudge. So, if they get elected they go to Washington D.C. with the “pro-choice” or “pro-life” tag. In a very, very small number of cases, the candidate might try to float around in the middle by saying things like they support legal abortion but believe there should be restrictions on its use. But that is very rare.
So, let’s say Mr. or Mrs. Smith finally arrives at their new office on Capitol Hill. If they are a new Member, their office is the size of a broom clo
set and they have to squeeze in about 9 staff people. In ten or twenty years, they’ll get decent accommodations. Then, suddenly, one day there is a new report put out by the very respected and objective American College of Psychologists saying that abortion causes “immense emotional harm.” In their study of 1,000 women who had abortions, they determined that 891 suffered “severe mental consequences.”
Within hours, the National Right to Life Committee issues a press release praising “what we have known all along about the consequences of abortion.” The pro-choice groups, meanwhile, are hunkered down, having private meetings amongst themselves trying to figure out what the hell to do with what they see as a rather legitimate report. The next day Congressman Chris Smith of New Jersey announces with great fanfare that he will introduce the “Abortion Counseling Act of 2011” requiring that women receive counseling from a clinic psychologist before being allowed to obtain an abortion.
In a matter of weeks, the bill is up for a vote. The pro-lifers, of course, will not only vote for the bill but will go to great lengths to praise the report of “this august body of psychologists.” And, by this time, the pro-choicers will have come up with some bullshit response about “this flawed study by a generally respected organization” that would restrict access to abortion. The pro-choicers would be squirming as they voted against the bill but if they hope to get campaign contributions from the pro-choice organizations, they have to toe the line. Every vote on the issue is ranked, they want that 100% voting record.
Then there are those few Members of Congress who are floating around in the middle, who are trying to look at the “evidence” objectively. Those are the ones who will bear the brunt of the lobbying from the pro-life and pro-choiceorganizations. Everyone, and I mean everyone, will be pissed off at them because they dared to be independent and actually review the statistics.
What it comes down to is that, on this issue, the lines are drawn very early and it is virtually impossible to change minds. Indeed, this is often the case with most issues on Capitol Hill – and it’s a shame. There is no room for independent thought, it is a “sign of weakness” if one says that they are “undecided” on a particular issue. There is never any real debate in the Halls of Congress, it’s just a bunch of minows who have their pre-packaged talking points.
So, the answer to the original question is, at least on this issue, statistics, reports, etc. don’t mean diddly squat.



February 7, 2011 at 9:24 am
Wow! You scored again!
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February 7, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Thanks, Jacobtoo-person 🙂
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February 8, 2011 at 10:19 am
Jacob,
what does that mean?
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February 8, 2011 at 11:57 am
I mean that Pat put up another great post.
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February 7, 2011 at 12:34 pm
The real pro-life candidates will say, “I will do whatever it takes to provide you with all the children you want to raise. Do you have any stipulations about their physical and mental condition, or will you take them the way God gives them? Are you willing to have your taxes raised in order for me to be an active voice for you in Congress?”
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February 7, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Hmmm, that would be a very interesting campaign platform, Charles. Hey, John boy…do you vote up there? Are you a single issue voter?
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February 7, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Absolutely single issue; otherwise I’m a communist.
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February 8, 2011 at 6:50 am
Pat, if there’s one big problem “pro-choicers” have, it’s their pathtetic inability to carry the fight to the enemy camp. You have but to say, “unborn child,” and a million liberals retreat in panic into the hills.
So-called “pro-lifers” ought ot be saddled with the responsibility for caring for the lives they claim to care for– and “pro-choicers” are too busy raising kids and otherwise getting on with life to hold them to their stated beliefs.
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February 8, 2011 at 9:08 am
I’ve yet to meet, or even hear of, a homosexual prolifer. It’s the prolifers who “are too busy raising kids.” Chuckles gets it back asswards as usual.
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February 8, 2011 at 11:30 am
You’re absolutely right, Charles. Many prochoicers are incredibly uncomfortable with ABORTION. They just say “it’s their choice” but one of those choices is ABORTION. That has always driven me crazy.
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February 7, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Thanks, Pat, for sharing this story. I suspected some of what you wrote. I find it so disheartening how the “Marvins in the Middle” are disenfranchised if they seek additional evidence or, even basically, want to evaluate the data.
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February 8, 2011 at 11:32 am
It is disheartening. And it extends to most issues. So, that’s why nothing gets done. Folks get locked in and, god forbid they should compromise a little or, worse yet, change their mind!!! That’s why what is all comes down to is electing that person who represents your views then send them off to Congress….Who is your Congressperson up there?
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February 8, 2011 at 10:16 am
That’s why we need more Independents.
Clear thinkers that use their brains.
Less nutty Christians as well. Or any group that relies on Faith, instead of empirical data to make decisions.
But Pat,
is the reality presently that if one is not part of the two party system it is just too hard to be Independent of “The System.”
One that creates the reality of the stereotype of Politicians having the reputation they really do have, as revealed by their actions?
Actions that you describe yourself from experience?
What form of system would allow people to behave correctly, for the overall good of society?
We have seen the failure of collective societies over and over again.
Is there no better way than a pathetic Democracy?
Einstein used to say that the process of science was flawed, but nothing else came close, it was the best thing we had as a tool (highly paraphrased here).
Is the same true for democracy?
And while you are answering all these questions, why do we still have electoral votes in modern society when we could have simple popular vote?
Could have saved us a solid 10 trillion dollars over the past 8 years of Bush 43.
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February 8, 2011 at 11:36 am
too many questions, Tim. The bottom line, however, is that an “independent” might get elected somehow but if they do they quickly are absorbed by one of the parties. Otherwise, they’ll never get anything done, they’ll just be gobbled up by the system. But, as the last election showed, independents are becoming a thing of the past. Several lost their elections and were replaced by right wing ideologues. Now, feel free to ask me again ONE of your questions and I’ll take them one at a time!!! 🙂
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February 9, 2011 at 10:17 am
I am curious too Pat.
Why do we have an electoral voting system still?
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February 8, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Academics might say that folks become socialized or acculturated to their new environment much like any organization whether it’s medicine, corporate business, a university or a specific religious group. It’s quite difficult, if not impossible, to go against the grain. Of course, it doesn’t help that Congress is, I suspect, very much a good ole boys club.
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February 9, 2011 at 9:42 am
Yep, that’s how it is, Katie. If you want to represent your district, you ultimately need to ask some favors. To ask a favor, you need to be liked and/or have given a “favor” to that person in the form of a vote or something. It’s scratching one’s back. So, people like Rand Paul from Kentucky won’t get diddly squat for their districts…
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February 8, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Pat and tnsdh: The first thing to be aware of in politics is that you’re not going to get elected without a lot of money. As a result, you are beholden first of all to your major donors. If they happen to be kooks, like the Koch brothers, forget thinking outside their mainstream. Every time you vote, you will be thinking of those who paid enough to get you elected, and you will listen to any advisor they send your way. The only time you will be able to be independent starts the day you decide you’re not going to run again. By then it’s almost always too late.
Get the money game out of national politics, and you have a chance of getting pols who will act on what they believe.
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February 9, 2011 at 9:45 am
Agree with some of this but I can tell you the three Members of Congress that I worked with did not go cast a vote thinking who paid them money. It’s a chicken and egg thing – they contributed money knowing/figuring that he would vote in their interests. They checked him out first. I can also tell you that we went out of our way to NOT meet with folks who gave us big bucks because of appearances. And you’ll never get the money out of politics. After all, how would folks know what the politicians stood for? You dont expect them to read the Congressional Record every day, do ya?
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February 9, 2011 at 10:51 am
You can’t get the money out of politics, but you can use it to protect and enhance free speech for all the candidates under Vendor-Based Oversight campaign finance regulation. Wrong forum for discussing it, though.
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February 8, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Who are the Koch brothers?
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February 9, 2011 at 9:46 am
Yeah, who are they???
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February 9, 2011 at 5:03 pm
And I thought you were intimately connected with Capitol Hill. Charles and David are tied for the 19th richest man in America. In 2009, they funded wingnut foundations, groups and Astroturf groups to the tune of $64 million. They could easily have quadrupled that and not felt a pinch. They were two of the four (only four!) contributors who gave Karl “Obama won’t come after me” Rove $5.4 million to start his American Crossroads, which is attempting to undermine the teabaggers (actually, more to keep him in the game). There is not a hot enough place in Hell to hold them.
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February 10, 2011 at 1:31 pm
I am connected to Capitol Hill, I just dont know every wingnut who has made contributions..
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February 9, 2014 at 4:14 am
I could watch Scdheilnr’s List and still be happy after reading this.
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February 10, 2014 at 6:13 am
That’s really shderw! Good to see the logic set out so well.
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February 9, 2011 at 10:32 am
Pat,
Instead of candidates being blasted against one of the complete sides of the abortion issue, cannot there be some less polar message delivered to a potential constituency?
In your experience, is this impossible.
Ex:
I, Candidate YX, believe that Abortion is a complicated issue with as many different opinions as there are people. I may have a specific belief about abortion, however, my job, as a representative in Congress will be to best represent the people of this district.
I have surveyed over 1,000 people in our district. Some call themselves ProLife, Some call themselves ProChoice.
987 of the 1,000 People I have talked to, believe Abortion is OK sometimes.
I will represent in the legislature the best composite of the values and beliefs of our community by my continual efforts to represent our community by continually engaging you in discussion on these important decisions when they arise.
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I don’t know. I am not a speech writer. I bet a good speech writer could come with something very palatable.
Pat, do you believe a message like that cannot be delivered effectively in a campaign? Will people never actually vote for an honest politician?
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February 9, 2011 at 10:55 am
Helena, the only candidate who is going to win both the pro-choice and aborticentric sides is the one who lays responsibility for human life back at the feet of the questioner– “What will you do to protect the unborn?” ~~ “Sir, I will move heaven and earth to see that you get to raise as many children as you want, even if it means raising your taxes. Now tell me: How many children have you already adopted,how many more do you plan on having, and how much do you want your taxes raised so they will have good health care, good schools and a good college to go to?”
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February 9, 2011 at 11:11 am
Interpretation: “Helena, if you’re a loser like Dunkle, don’t even try to protect someone who is about to get murdered. Only saints are allowed to oppose murder.”
Doesn’t make sense, does it, but that’s the most popular of Chuckles’ four idiotic defenses of child killing.
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February 9, 2011 at 11:16 am
Charles,
You make perfect sense.
The sad part is, when I read here, the pro Life people are not willing to follow the calling of Jesus.
They will not give up a few pennies to help a child.
They would rather fight for every penny they can keep.
Even if that penny could have been used to save a Child’s life.
It’s sad, I believe it is true from reading what the ProLifers write, and seeing them in person and on media.
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February 9, 2011 at 11:55 am
Andrea, I hope you understand they can’t help being the way they are. It’s the nature of the problem– afraid of their own death, they fight against abortion in a symbolic battle against dying. They cannot take on that one more child, and a lot of them simply don’t have the money to give. There’s a page at the aborticentrism site that shows how much poorer on average they are than the average “pro-choicer.” Also less educated and with more children. All in all, emotionally, mentally and financially they have a big uphill struggle.
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February 9, 2011 at 1:55 pm
I know now what you’re trying to do, Chuckles, you’re trying to help kill older folks like me, too.
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February 9, 2011 at 5:03 pm
I’d agree, Charles, with your “All in all, emotional, mentally and financially they have a big uphill struggle” and would add that besides being intellectually and theologically vacuous, they are quite often psychologically impaired with obsessive-compulsive or neurotic tendencies. Many of them lack impulse control. Some exhibit pathological lying when confronted with unfamiliar situations. Almost all of the prolifers that I’ve observed have a morally rotten core even though they diligently tell all who will listen or who are within range of their shouting that they are the holy ones.
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February 9, 2011 at 5:06 pm
And this is what the public needs to know, but the “pro-choicers” don’t know how to mount an offensive.
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February 9, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Chuckles! Look how your stupidities are infecting others! Now Kate’s adopted the stupidest of them — we can kill as many people as we want because those who don’t want us to are sickos!
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February 10, 2011 at 10:11 am
Daily Herald,
You are right,
We see the very same thing in my country.
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February 8, 2014 at 9:56 pm
Please teach the rest of these internet honlagios how to write and research!
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February 9, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Responsible . . .
Are you suggesting the ProLifers are robot brains?
Certainly they have some choice?
The choose to label themselves Pro Life, even though they do very little to support life and help out as you write.
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February 10, 2011 at 1:34 pm
One major problem is the single issue voter. Those who strongly oppose abortion are more likely to vote against a pro-choice candidate than the opposite situation. So, the candidate has to weigh who will actually go out and vote. But I’d like to believe that there is a great speech out there that would appeal to the “middle”. Indeed, you just gave me anm idea for a new blog!!!
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February 10, 2011 at 4:52 pm
I’m looking forward to that Post!
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February 10, 2011 at 6:09 pm
doesn’t exist, Gavin
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February 9, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Carrie Ann in #3: So-coalled “pro-lifers” label themselves that for the PR advantage. How much traction do you get if they called themselves “pro-fetus” or “compulsory pregnancists”? Their label has nothing to do with their actual level of care for human life; what they do instead of caring for a real human is take an unresisting subject– the fetus– label it with all sorts of virtues and then claim to rescue it. The fetus is practically the only thing short of a rock that they can do that hat trick with: if they were trying to rescue Latino teen druggies, a lot of those kids would be a PR disaster; they could pull it off with dolphins– until the public gets upset with finding out that dolphins rape their females. They could try it with prisoners– until they try to set up a halfway house.
But by using a “victim”: that can’t prove them wrong, they are able to be heroes. Why do they do that? Check out “Heroes on the cheap” at the aborticentrism website. It shows that they are not “robot brains,” but they are driven.
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February 9, 2011 at 11:47 pm
If this is the offensive, we got nothing to worry about.
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February 10, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Charles is right, we dont know how to take the offensive. When I lobbied, we had great debates about whether or not to show graphic pictures of women dead in alleyways after a botched abortion. That would be “over the top” some argued but, although John does not believe it, it was the reality. It’s clear that our side is afraid of the word “abortion.” Instead of saying we support LEGAL, MEDICALLY SAFE abortions, we mumble that we are “pro-choice”. Bull….
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February 10, 2011 at 2:11 pm
That’s the old Bill Baird ploy — the woman crouching over the coat hanger. Sure a few died in botched abortions; not nearly so many then as now.
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February 10, 2011 at 4:58 pm
John:
When you use the word “botched”,
Do you mean Abortions done when they were illegal and there was a bad outcome for the Woman?
If not, what is your definition of “botched” in your statement?
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February 10, 2011 at 5:16 pm
You’re right.
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February 10, 2011 at 5:18 pm
You’re right. Now it’s, “done when they are legal and there is a bad outcome for the woman.
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February 10, 2011 at 5:22 pm
It seems you make up your own definitions for words, in real time, and then change definitions to protect your ego from being exposed.
How is anyone supposed to discuss anything with you if that is what you do?
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February 12, 2011 at 6:00 am
Do you understand, Gavin, why this is simply an ad hom? To change that you must give examples — what words have I redefined?
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February 12, 2011 at 11:07 am
Gavin, protecting one’s psychological integrity is the first and most important job of the aborticentric. When necessary, this involves doing exactly what you describe.
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February 10, 2011 at 6:19 am
***http://web.mac.com/charlesgregory/ABORTICENTRISM/THE_CLOSEST_IT_GETS.html Says:
February 9, 2011 at 5:06 pm
And this is what the public needs to know, but the “pro-choicers” don’t know how to mount an offensive.****
I would respond to your assessment by referring all the readers back to Pat’s article about how information is shared and assessed with those in Congress.
I would also add that prolifers AND prochoicers choose to rely on sources that they find credible. And thes sources seem to be one of the defining differences. How these sources are expressed to Congress and to the public is another defining difference. Prochoicers use data drawn from solid academic, medical and scientific evidence and report that data in objective language. Prolifers, on the other hand, use spurious data and misinterpret data to reflect their own biases and then report their findings with emotionally-charged language that is misleading and dishonest.
From my observations, it’s really difficult to mount an offensive, as suggested, when pathos drowns out ethos and logos. We only have to look at where we are in Iraq to see how the emotional pleas for retailiation against Sadamm Hussein’s murderous machinery and his secret stash called WMDs dragged us into war. There was no basis, no ethos or logos, just pathos….All those in Congress who voted against the strike against Iraq were outnumbered.
Like I suggested, I refer the readers to Pat’s article, again.
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February 12, 2011 at 11:31 am
tnsdh, the battle is not over facts and figures. If aborticentrics were driven by logic, the war would be over in a week.
The real contest is for the human spirit, the connection to another being that makes you or me or any “pro-choicer” decide to have a baby and raise it, sacrificing those vacations in Cancun, the new car every year, the new job offer in Vail or London, to give a kid a chance at a better life– or at least as good a life– as we’ve had.
Unfortunately, you and everybody else on your side thinks that so-called “pro-lifers” are rational opponents. They are not! They are not driven by external realities, but by internal ones. How is this evident? By one simple fact:
They do not care for the babies
they compel to be born.
Time and again on this site I have pointed out they do not argue for tax increases, they do not adopt, etc., at a rate greater than the general population, they create an imaginary character for the fetus, and on, and on, and on– and nobody gets it!!! I feel like that idiot dog in the horror movie Bill Cosby described, running through the town barking, “The zombies are coming! the zombies are coming!” and Cosby describes how the townsfolk just keep going about their business.
The only rational explanation for their fanaticisim for fetuses and their disregard for children and all the issues around child development is that they are more concerned with themselves. Ergo, the movement is a “self-help” program, and based on the disjunction between what it says about human life and what it does, it is a very, very dysfunctional one.
You cannot, you cannot, you cannot deal with such a movement on a rational level. You will never change their minds through discourse. You can only do it by removing their ability to keep feeding themselves through successful public relations. To paraphrase Chairman Mao, “If you drain the ocean, the fish will have to learn to walk.”
So, if you want to bring them back to a reality-based world, here’s how to do it:
1. Promise every person who asks you to defend the unborn that you will fight for her pregnancy.
2. Announce that in order to end abortion in America it will be necessary to raise taxes 50% on those earning less than $80,000 a year (which is where almost all of them are.)
3. Attach to any bill curtailing any form of abortion a rider awarding $240,000 to every woman who foregoes and abortion, along with a tax increase to pay for it. The money will help her get the child to adulthood.
4. Mandatory psychiatric counseling for every anti-abortionist arrested.
5. “Crisis pregnancy clinic” regulations holding them to the same standards as real ob/vyn clinics.
6. Tabloid articles about the hypocrisies in the personal life of the leadership– Randy Terry’s hatred of his gay son, Ralph Reed’s criminal conduct as a Washington lobbyist, Gary Bauer’s resemblance to the doll in the Chuckie movies, Phyllis Schlafly’s abandonment of her daughter shortly after birth; the “pro-life” stance of the pedophiliac clergy, and so on.
7. A constant drumbeat of stories of bizarre, unethical and illogical behavior and reasoning as practiced by the membership.
So, there it is. Lead, follow, or get out of the way, but don’t continue to think you can deal with them on a rational level.
chuck gregory, president (and still sole member)
RESPONSIBLE Right to Life
An association of “pro-lifers” who pledge to raise to adulthood every “unborn human” they want “rescued.”
As opposed to the irresponsibles who call themselves “pro-life.”
7.
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February 11, 2011 at 7:28 am
It really is amazing how dumb the average pro lifer really is when it comes to being able to discuss the topic of Abortion.
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February 12, 2011 at 6:03 am
Somebody here is removing some of my particularly insightful contributions. How come?
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February 12, 2011 at 3:11 pm
By definition,
You contributions,
Are Not insightful.
What could you possibly mean you murderer worshiping fanatic?
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February 12, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Really enjoyed this post!
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