Abortion
Angelita and Ricardo took their place in one of the last pews in the back of the church. As always, the predominantly Spanish parishioners at the Good Sheppard Catholic Church have filled the building to the rafters. Ever since the arrival of a new, dynamic priest named Father Guerrero, attendance has skyrocketed.
Today’s sermon was entitled “The Horrors of Abortion.” For the next 20 minutes, Father Guerrero told the rapt audience how thousands of babies each day were being torn “limb by limb” from the mother’s womb, how the mothers would ultimately come to regret their heinous act and how God would be watching them commit this serious sin. This particular church had always been on the cusp of anti- abortion activity, organizing buses to protest at the local “abortion mill.” Two years ago, they erected a “Memorial to the Unborn” at the church’s entrance, a reminder to everyone entering God’s house that millions of babies had been aborted under his very eye. Father Guerrero was asked to come to this church because of his zealous anti-abortion activism over the years. He fit right in.
Abortion
Meanwhile, as the good father went on, Angelita kept rubbing her stomach. She was nine weeks pregnant and in two days she was going to have an abortion.
When the young couple had learned that Angelita was pregnant, at first they rejoiced. Ricardo, perhaps playing that “machismo” card, could barely contain himself. He couldn’t wait to tell his compadres at the construction site that he was going to be a father – preferably the father of a young, strapping boy. Angelita, who was 19 at the time, was also excited at first but then quickly turned anxious. After she finished high school, she had taken a year off to work at a local fast food restaurant to save money to attend the local community college where she hoped to study nursing. Suddenly, she saw how her life was about to change.
Catholics and Abortion
A week or two later, after thinking a lot more about her and Ricardo’s future, she began to think about abortion. She could not imagine raising a child at her age, giving up her dreams of being a nurse and the possibility of Ricardo having to get a second job to cover their new expenses. But when she prayed to her God, she could only feel discomfort. As a lifelong Catholic, she had been trained that just the slightest thought of abortion was abhorrent, that if she ever had one she would clearly spend eternity in hell. Of course, she could not even think about going to her former priest, the one who had given her communion, had presided over her father’s funeral and had advised her on some many other personal issues. And the new one was out of the question. Meanwhile, she couldn’t talk to her friends or her family, as they were Catholic as well. It was just she and Ricardo.
Within a few weeks, Ricardo’s enthusiasm about being a Dad had worn off as well as he started to anticipate his new responsibilities. So, when Angelita – in tears – raised the possibility of abortion with him, he was more amenable than she thought he would be. After a few agonizing days, they agreed to schedule an abortion.
Catholic Compassion
And now, sitting in her house of worship that had been a source of comfort for so many years, she could only feel like an outcast. When she walked by the statute in the front of the church, she became nauseous. As she listened to her priest talk to HER about HER abortion, she could not make eye contact and it took all of her resolve to not burst out crying.
She and Ricardo needed help, not condemnation. But in her desperate time of need, her church offered her no refuge.
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February 22, 2011 at 1:03 pm
To begin, Pat, the Catholic Church is never HER church. The Catholic Church is HIS church. Women do not count unless they are incubators, housekeepers for priests, or fornicators (within confines of hetero marriage, of course).
I once interviewed Frank Pavone about his view on rape and his view is consistent with the rabid anti abortion activists. The fetus is innocent. He said that the rape was one harm. An abortion would be another harm. Notice how easy that is for him to say? A man will never get pregnant as a result of a rape….That’s courage.
The sermon you describe from the local priest is emblematic of abortion controversy. Women Don’t Count. If they did, there would be memorials to ordinary women. You don’t hear priests or anti abortion activists bleeding all over the place about the number of women who die as a result of a pregnancy, who develop chronic health problems (like gestational diabetes or severe post partum depression) as a result of pregnancy. Nor do you hear them lamenting the gross burden on women who provide the primary care for children, the home and their jobs. Nope. It’s all about the fetus.
By the way, is this someone you knew? And if it is, what is the end of the story? Did you offer any assistance?
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February 22, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Daily Herald is sooooo, right.
The Catholic Church is a Mill of misogyny.
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February 22, 2011 at 5:53 pm
I was raised Catholic, and I am utterly embarrassed that I believed all that crap a long time ago.
The Catholic church is a bastion of patriarchy and is probably controlled by Satan himself.
Catholics are hypocrites by nature of their religion.
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February 22, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Real Catholics are nuts. They should be prosecuted for their crimes.
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March 1, 2011 at 9:05 am
And that mill just keeps on churning!
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February 23, 2011 at 10:19 am
thanks, Kate. All good points as usual. It was a woman I knew (changed the name) and, fortunately, helped.
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March 7, 2011 at 12:46 pm
That’s good, it seems as though the catholic church will sacrifice anything at the cost of keeping rhetoric, whether it be that young woman’s feelings or something else. This mill is evil, and being raised near it scared me.
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February 24, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Catholics are a sin against humanity,
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February 22, 2011 at 1:55 pm
The Catholic Church is a horrible institution, responsible for more criminal activity, murder, adultery, pedophilia, etc. Than any institution in the world.
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February 22, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Finally,
Someone reveals the Catholic Church for what it is.
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February 22, 2011 at 1:57 pm
The Catholic Church should be disallowed from running hospitals and schools. They are not capable.
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February 22, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Not much said about the tiny Hispanic about to be torn limb from limb.
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February 22, 2011 at 5:30 pm
What is the compulsion to identify the fetus as Hispanic? Like so many anti abortion activists, there seems to be some racist need to remind women and their companions that they are Hispanic or African American, that they’re killing their own race. Of course, they never, ever say, anything quite as ignorant like “another white baby torn from limb to limb” or “you’re killing off your own race” honey. That’s white privilege for you.
Also, why this neurotic obsession with the grotesque, of tearing limbs apart in a fetus that is approximately 1.2 inches in length? A possible answer comes from two researchers. Sociologists Halfmann and Drew (2010) claim that anti abortion activists use the grotesque to simplify issues whether in words or imagery. Such images usually do not articulate an explicit argument. Instead, they condense a complicated moral message and “rely on these types of images to privilege gut reactions and to simply the distinction between right and wrong, while passing over how to go about . . . balancing the rights of fetuses and women, or addressing fetal abnormalities or pregnancies resulting from incest” (p. 5) or rape, for that matter.
And it is the simplification of complex issues to which religious devotees cling. Life is much easier when a priest tells you that life is black and white, that THIS is moral and THAT is immoral. But life is not black and white. Moral issues, including abortion, are complex issues that are not decided in an unfortunate and insensitve homily, in a rant from a anti abortion activist on the street or from an anonymous respondents on this blog. Kate
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February 22, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Looks like you decimated that anonymous idiot.
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February 23, 2011 at 10:21 am
I guess in the world of “anonymous,’ the fetus is just more important than that other human being….Cue: Charles!!
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February 25, 2011 at 2:20 am
Why doesn’t anyone reveal that there is no god,
All the Catholics are delusional, psychotic even believing in this nonsense, and it Is all based in pre Evil myths?
Doesn’t anyone get wit, Man made up god in his own image, and it is a fairy tail.
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March 1, 2011 at 9:09 am
That’s a great line.
Why do people even place a gender on God?
Does God have genitals?
Did he get herpes?
If God has genitals, do they work?
Does he use them?
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February 22, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Anonymous made a stupid comment.
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February 22, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Thank you Pat for a very well written and illustrative post.
The twist in the end where the Church condems rather than offers compassion is a sad reality of The Catholic Church and most of the Major Religions.
As well, TheNotSoDailyHerald, is very precise in the retort regarding the Catholic Church not being a Church of Women.
Throughout it’s history to the very present day, it is a misogynistic entity, as one commentor noted.
Thank you everyone for your contributions and commentary.
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February 22, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Thanks Elena. Might I add that the Church leaders (including the lowly priests), while real keen on Kinder, Küche, Kirche, are especially keen on the Kinder, mostly little boys….
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February 22, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Why are so many catholics pedophiles?
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February 22, 2011 at 5:55 pm
It is bred into the religion.
It is part of what they do.
Catholics disgust me.
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February 22, 2011 at 6:54 pm
I have met many Catholics that I can proudly proclaim as friends and/or relatives. But I have to admit they’re not the radicalized ones who are blind to social justice, who look the other way when the majority of Americans are openly disgusted with the manner in which the Church handles abuse cases. It’s an ongoing, scandalous epidemic that ruins people’s lives. From a PR perspective, the Church has done a piss poor job of crisis management. The perception of the Church is extremely negative according to the Pew Institute.
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February 22, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Do they follow the teachings of the Catholic church?
If they did I would be surprised if they were your friends.
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February 25, 2011 at 2:24 am
God is a joke, everyone sounds like cave people of 100,000 years ago.
Get it?
There is no benevolent god?
If there was, God, it would be the laziest, grossest , underachievers of all the deities of all time!
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March 1, 2011 at 9:12 am
I was a victim of Catholic Priest pedophilia when I was young.
It was horrible.
They are demons those Catholics.
Especially they priests and fellow church goers that covered it up!
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February 23, 2011 at 10:22 am
I think what really bothers me is I could never imagine Jesus Christ giving this kind of sermon….
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February 22, 2011 at 6:25 pm
I am in Argentina.
The Catholic Church is responsible for many a bad things that happened to women and young boys here.
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February 23, 2011 at 6:30 am
Melissa they are responsible for many bad things that have happened to boys & girls around the world!! They are responsible for a cover-up allowing “evil men” to prey on the young “born” children among us!!
I learned as a young Catholic girl in a small southern town..if you made a mistake and got pregnant..”don’t go to the parish priest in confession and confess”…if you made that mistake Father Anderson would tell your parents…before you could make a “choice”..Of course that was years before abortion was legal!! So I guess he was “saving” girls from possible illegal abortions…All I know is that I did not make the mistake of seeking his guidance…I chose to have my “illegal abortion” without any help from anyone…I don’t regret my decision…Some years later I did discuss it with my favorite “2nd cousin the priest” (in a letter) and he in a letter to me said that he personally “forgave” me…But to get forgiveness from “the church” I would need to seek out a “Jesuit priest” they would be the most likely to give absolution!! You know I never did that…because as time passed I realized that..yes I had been sad..perhaps depressed afterward…But regret..NO I never had regret about the abortion!!
My only “regret” was that women had to go to a sleazy building and let a sleazy man help them..begin their life again!! Because to me that is what abortion means “to start anew” and when I shared my story with young Catholic women I think it help them put their feelings into prespective..”God never gives us more than we can handle”…sometimes abortion is how we handle pregnancy…
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February 23, 2011 at 7:05 am
Lorraine,
A beautifully poignant response! Thank you. And may I add to your “God never gives us more than we can handle” that God gives us all the capabilities to be intellectual, emotional and spiritual beings who make the best decisions for ourselves. And, abortion, is just one of those decisions that women make.
As for a Jesuit priest, I agree with you about their ability to forgive comes so much more easily. However, I would rather women forgive themselves by knowing that they are good, that they make the best decisions for their lives and that no one can make them feel bad without their permission. Of course, I realize that is often easier said than done when society (especially the Catholic Church) judges women so much more harshly.
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February 23, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Lorraine that was a well written comment thank you, it was touching.
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February 23, 2011 at 7:09 am
To Elly: You asked if my friends follow the Catholic church teachings. I’d say they are cafeteria Catholics—all used birth control, some considered/had abortions, one is an African American lesbian, some choose to listen to their own hearts about social justice, compassion and basic tenets of morality without the Pope PooP
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February 23, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Then why do they call themselves Catholic?
They do not follow the dogma of the hierarchical Catholic church.
Nothing they do bothers me.
I always wonder why they just make their own cult of Christianity or Join another Christian cult.
Why th need to stick with the well known gigantic horror that is Catholocsism?
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February 23, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Beats the crap out me why they bother with Catholicism. My guess is that fear and ignorance works–fear because they indoctrinate you to fear your own body and the loss of your soul; ignorance because they tell you what to believe through simplified versions of their truths/dogma.
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February 23, 2011 at 10:26 am
As a former Catholic, I remember the priest scaring the crap out of me. “Mortal” sins, going to hell, etc. Yikes. It was all so oppressive, I hated going to church. It shouldn’t be that way
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February 23, 2011 at 12:24 pm
I know, the Catholic Church is like the worst of horror stories, haunted houses, myths, and rampant pedophilia.
The Popes should be dragged to the Hague and placed on trial for crimes against humanity.
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February 23, 2011 at 12:38 pm
About ten years ago, a 16 year old celebrated the milestone of acquiring a driver’s license by driving over to his friend’s house. He was a beloved son and brother and a popular kid in his high school who was killed in an tragic accident not far from his home. The funeral luncheon at St. Patrick’s Church in St. Charles, IL included a little over 200 people from the community–family, friends, students, teachers, parishioners. But because it was during Lent and because it was on a Friday, the women who prepared this massive and elaborate luncheon had to get permission from the priest to serve chickens and ham. Of course, a “special dispensation” was given because of the fact that there were outsiders at the church luncheon. Talk about Mr. Big Shot….but that’s Catholicism—asking common men for permission…give me a break.
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February 23, 2011 at 1:20 pm
That is Catholicism.
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March 5, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Catholics are the largest cult of murderous idiots on the planet.
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February 23, 2011 at 11:21 am
Christina, whoever the anonymous might be… it is not news that he ALWAYS write nonsense stupid things… it is good though to keep a good laugh.
Catholics are hypocrites for life. They say this and that are sin but behind the “scenes” at the so called House of God they rape little boys, terrorize them to not say a word, they live like kings with the money that stupids give to them because on the old book states that they should give them money so they can keep working on the side of God or something like that. I was forced to have my first communion done by my mom (of course) and i just go to churches now for a wedding, nothing more than that. Churches are a waste of time and money for those who pay the useless person to be there saying nonsense things to make you feel guilty of breathing. But hey, they can have sex with nuns or young boys as much as they want, that is not a sin…. bla bla bla
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February 23, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Isn’t that the truth,
Amen!
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February 23, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I have been a Catholic since I was born.
I am from south America.
This post was really an eye opener for me, as well as the intelligent comments.
I am going to switch denominations after 57 years!
I am sick and tired of Catholic teaches.
And Pat, Jesus, who was Jewish, would never give a Catholi Sermon like the above, that’s probably why Jews are still the chosen people in Gods mind.
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February 23, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Paul is going to switch religions after 57 years because of these comments?? I’m sorry, I think that is a crock…Indeed, i think Sonia’s comments are a bit hysterical. Some of my family are still Catholics and they are not pedophiles or murderes. Gimme a break. I absolutely hate when people generalize. Indeed when I see hyperbole like that, I dont read it.
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February 24, 2011 at 10:33 am
As far as i know in every single city there is a priest/pastor/whatever u wanna call doing something like that…
If you don’t want to read, be my guest and don’t.
It doesn’t bother me at all.
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March 1, 2011 at 9:16 am
My English is not as good.
I apologize, I already switched.
Pat, I think your comment was mean, after me telling my story, makes me not want to comment again.
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March 1, 2011 at 10:19 am
Paul, I”m sorry but it took me years to finally decide to leave the church and when you say that the few comments up above made you decide to switch, it just doesn’t ring true to me. But, hey, good for you….
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March 9, 2011 at 11:24 pm
It seems almost as if someone who “believed/’s” has an inclination to change, after so many years, well sounds in one way almost ” yay! A circumventing whim!” but on the other hand extremely in believeable but enjoy your ideals sir and “may peace be with you”
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March 5, 2011 at 12:58 pm
It is not Hyperbole.
If one studies history and looks back over time, Catholics have caused more wars, murdered more innocent people, tortured and murdered more people just because they were not Catholic, and in accumulation have committed all these things and pedophilia then any other single group.
It is a sad fact. If you do not want to believe it then your delusion will remain intact. It is a hard pill to swallow.
That does not change the facts.
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February 23, 2011 at 2:43 pm
In keeping with the Catholic Church theme, I just read this from the National Organization of Women and posted a portion here:
U.S. Catholic Bishops Major Force Behind War on Women
Statement of NOW President Terry O’Neill
February 23, 2011
The collusion of House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has led to an open declaration of war on the women of this country. The bishops have long sought to enshrine into law those policies of the Catholic Church that subordinate women. And they don’t care how badly women get hurt in the process.
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February 23, 2011 at 4:06 pm
I’m sorry Kate, but NOW often times is full of crap. Again, let’s hype everything and, by the way, please send us a donation….I know things are gloomy on Capitol Hill but please dont take NOW’s big lettered press releases as the truth.
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February 23, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Actually, Pat, I thank you for responding as you did because I have this sense that you are better networked to Capitol Hill than all of us; thus, the partial posting in hopes you would offer your thoughts.
And by the way, I don’t send donations to the likes of NOW because they’re too top heavy, organizationally speaking, like the Catholic Church.
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February 23, 2011 at 6:04 pm
One more note, Pat, regarding NOW, there’s nothing I could find on their web site about this press release nor in the news including the Washington Post. I forgot to mention that in my previous response to your post. It’s all very curious.
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February 23, 2011 at 6:50 pm
TNSDH is correct,
the Catholic Church is a piece of crap.
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February 23, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Paul i am also from South America, was born and raised as a Catholic, as a child i didn’t have much of an option. But as soon as i could have a say i decide that wasn’t for me anymore. WHO they think they are to tell me this or that is a sin when we hear almost every day, child (specially boys) that were abused by priest and threatened if they would say anything… How many of this “children” were damaged for life? How come this “priests” to have the kind of living they have using OUR money and expect us to shut up when we see something wrong!
Just as an example of this kind of people… i am having a “small” war at my school, because it is a private institution where the students (us) pay for whatever is inside there and they insist in treating us as stupid person being that the majority of the students are over 30, and before i forget to mention it is a professional school… so, one of the teacher at this school is a PASTOR and whatever she needed to find out, she would ask me to get it done, which i always did, so because i complained to the department of education, i am now the black lamb of the school, this same teacher, who is a pastor, use to ask me to do the things she could not be known, just betrayed me out of the blue!!! AND SHE IS A PASTOR!!! So how can “we” believe in this people who hide themselves behind GOD’s name but do this kind of thing…
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February 23, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Sonia,
Women treat other women badly for many of the same reasons men treat women badly. Wearing religious costumes don’t change the heart and soul of an individual. Any of us who watch anti abortion activists know this all too well. Despite all their collections of rosaries, the prolife bumper stickers, their crucifixes that hang from their rear view mirrors, the crosses they wear, and their tired “hail Mary” chants, they’re all mean, God-deluded terrorists beneath their shiny Vatican-approved veneer.
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February 23, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Geez, this is a tough crowd…I hope HE is not watching this blog. I”m waiting for that bolt of lightening….
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February 23, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Why worry about lightening? And what’s with the masculine pronomial reference, Pat?
While there may be a bit of hype or sacrilege, the responses are, one would imagine, coming from a bit of truth, a large dose of candor and a suggestion for a call for humilty for the church hierarchy.
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February 23, 2011 at 6:51 pm
The Catholic Church has a long history of pedophilia and misogyny, and murder.
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February 24, 2011 at 10:37 am
No need to wait for the lightening Pat, because “we” are not saying HE is the bad guy but those who uses HIS name in vain to create their own fantasies…
I am not a catholic anymore but i do still believe in GOD either if HE is or was real or not, because that is one way to explain so many things we got to be thankful for…
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February 24, 2011 at 11:02 am
Well you are still a Catholic, Sonia, because Baptism is permanent, but as I suggest above, your group, non-practicing Catholics, is a hundred times more involved in pedophilia, misogyny, murder, etc., than are the practicing and believing Catholics. You folks left the Church in the first place so you could engage in any or all of these horrors, and not feel guilty about it.
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February 24, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Because you were reasonable on your post, i will answer!
I don’t belong to any group John. I have my own head that thankfully, still think by its own. The reason i stop going to church is because it is too much guilty they try to input into you. I don’t believe in that. I don’t like that and I don’t think that is the right way of having people to follow GOD.
Sorry but i have one thought about respect… and that is, if a person respects you (whoever you might be, even GOD) this person will respect you now, tomorrow and days to come. In front of you or not they will act the same. But if a person is afraid of you that “respect” will be momentarily and only when you are present. Honestly i think that is why things are the way they are now in days. I always had a horrible relationship with my mom, but up to today i respect some of the things she thought me.
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February 24, 2011 at 1:41 pm
You might not think you belong to a group,Sonia, but you do — the group of non-practicing Catholics who say things like this: “The Catholic Church has a long history of pedophilia and misogyny, and murder,” and worse. (Take look at Kate’s stuff.)
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February 24, 2011 at 1:51 pm
I understand your point, and i hope you to get it mine… That is why i mention that i still have a mind that thinks by it self…
I might agree with what some people write or not… I even agree with SOME of the things you post sometimes… but that doesn’t mean that i have to participate or follow your way of thinking or anybody for that matter… got it!?
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February 24, 2011 at 1:56 pm
For example, the only way i would ever kill somebody is if that person is endangering my daughter’s life in any circumstance! Her husband, my grandson or her… otherwise i just don’t care. Doctors who practice abortion, wouldn’t do it if the pregnant woman would not look for them. But if they do go to look for a doctor who can help them, this doctor is only providing a service he went to school for. Nothing else. You might say, but if he deny the service she will have to carry to term the pregnancy… Hummm excuse me?! A decided woman will have to do something she don’t want to!!! NO WAY. So instead having this woman to walk of his clinic and do it herself and have any kind of problems after whatever she would do it, he just do the safe way. So, doctors are not in fault on that John.
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February 24, 2011 at 3:00 pm
John are you actually denying all the harm the Catholic Church has historically caused over the centuries?
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February 25, 2011 at 2:28 am
The catholic church is crap.
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February 25, 2011 at 1:04 pm
I stopped going to church cause I couldn’t stand getting up so early on Sundays…
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February 26, 2011 at 7:10 am
Now..now..that is not true..because there is always Sat. evening before you go to the bar..cause we all know church on a hang-over is awful..all that kneeling & everything!!
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February 24, 2011 at 10:38 am
all of you will burn in hell…………
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February 24, 2011 at 2:58 pm
I am speaking to the pro Lifers
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February 24, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Well, Hell, now that makes a lot of sense. And why will the pro-lifers burn in hell and not us pro-choicers?
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February 24, 2011 at 7:29 pm
ProLifers that condone Murder are not avaiable for forgiveness or absolution of their sins.
It is an unfortunate side effect of the catholic church’s stance on the receiving of final absolution sacrament.
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February 24, 2011 at 8:52 pm
I agreee!
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February 24, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Come on Pat it is obvious
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February 24, 2011 at 8:55 pm
The prolifers are like evil demons – it is so obvious!
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February 24, 2011 at 10:39 am
You got to be worried Pat, because this page will be the first on the list to hold you accountable when you die.
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February 24, 2011 at 11:49 am
Maloney, HELL–You Two (or are you both the same since you posted within one minute of each comment?):
Thanks for your prognosis, Hell. I’m guessing you believe in Hell and maybe even Limbo before the Church conveniently got rid of it.
By the way, here’s a question for those who love to explain away (watch out: if you’re explaining, your losing). What happened to all those unborn, stillborn, and other mismatched products of conception who were sent to Limbo after Limbo was dismantled? Did they have an automatic pass to Heaven because of their penance in Limbo? And tell us how The Church explained this de-commissioning of Limbo while continuing to claim natural laws or moral truths that are irrefutable. The Church seems to want to be able to be a constant, holding on to traditions and immovable truths, yet also wants the freedom to make monumental changes.
And, Maloney, how can a digital “page” hold a person accountable when they die? And what list are your referencing? Do you even know what you’re saying?
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February 24, 2011 at 1:46 pm
“maybe even Limbo before the Church conveniently got rid of it” — wrong, as often, Kate. The Church never got rid of it She just said this is reasonable. Still seems reasonable to me.
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February 25, 2011 at 2:32 am
What a lunatic. Reminds me of porky pig at the end of looney tunes.
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February 25, 2011 at 2:40 am
Would you get rid of this Catholic post? It keeps making me want to regurgitate.
Are there actual retards that believe this ancient mythology?
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February 25, 2011 at 10:51 am
I was in church this morning talking to my priest about this web page, he said that you all are sinners and will pay the price of a life without GOD!
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February 25, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Who cares what your stupid priest (who has probably molested children) and your stupid mythical God declared to you.
Go vote.
Help a child that is living in poverty.
How many children have you adopted?
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February 25, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Malony, you are full of baloney
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February 26, 2011 at 7:21 am
How prophetic!! You always no just the right thing to say!! LOL
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February 25, 2011 at 10:53 am
GOD is our father and as a child we should obey HIS demands.
“And God spoke all these words, saying: ‘I am the LORD your God…
ONE: ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’
TWO: ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’
THREE: ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.’
FOUR: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.’
FIVE: ‘Honor your father and your mother.’
SIX: ‘You shall not MURDER.’
SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
EIGHT: ‘You shall not steal.’
NINE: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’
TEN: ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.’
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February 25, 2011 at 12:36 pm
You’ve probably broken most those rules yourself.
Anyway,
Do you recognize the Christian religion is not the majority religion in the world. Most people on Earth are not Christians, and the majority of people on Earth have never even heard of Jesus.
So piddle with your Christianity if it gives you a hard on, just know you worship myths and most people don’t even know your murderous religion exists.
Christianity is responsible for much of the horror in this world for well more than a millennium.
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February 25, 2011 at 12:41 pm
your soul might be lost and you will find the doors of hell open wide for you. you still have time to change brother, abortion is murdered and you still can come to the light of Lord Jesus
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February 25, 2011 at 1:08 pm
I love how this supposedly religious person has chosen the name of “Hell.” Why not use your real name, huh? No balls?
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February 25, 2011 at 1:47 pm
to make it clear when your readers place their eyes on the message that is where they will go when death strikes! SALVATION IS WITH JESUS, AMEN
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February 25, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Pat,
how do you get these morons to this blog?
HELL, great christian name!!
Christians are so stupid.
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February 25, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Pat,
You have some real doozies on your blog now. I’m smelling some hell fire and brimstone…
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February 27, 2011 at 2:26 pm
I welcome them!
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February 25, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Conceptions of God vary widely. Theologians and philosophers have studied countless conceptions of God since the dawn of civilization. The Abrahamic conceptions of God include the monotheistic definition of God in Judaism, the trinitarian view of Christians, and the Islamic concept of God. The dharmic religions differ in their view of the divine: views of God in Hinduism vary by region, sect, and caste, ranging from monotheistic to polytheistic to atheistic. Divinity were recognized by the historical Buddha, particularly Śakra and Brahma. However, other sentient beings, including gods, can at best only play a supportive role in one’s personal path to salvation. Conceptions of God in the latter developments of the Mahayana tradition give a more prominent place to notions of the divine.
In modern times, some more abstract concepts have been developed, such as process theology and open theism. Conceptions of God held by individual believers vary so widely that there is no clear consensus on the nature of God.[16] The contemporaneous French philosopher Michel Henry has however proposed a phenomenological approach and definition of God as phenomenological essence of Life.[17]
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