I have always tended to trust people. Don’t ask me why – it’s just part of my genetic makeup. But when you are in the middle of the abortion “wars,” as I was for many years, trusting people can get you into a lot of trouble.
Sometime in the early part of 1993, I was at my desk in the offices of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers when I got a call from one of our doctors in Nevada. “Hey Pat, what the hell is this Project Choice survey? Should I respond?”
I had no idea what he was talking about, but soon learned how most of our doctors had received a “confidential” survey from a group called “Project Choice.” The cover letter indicated that this group had been contacted by a foundation that was interested in helping protect abortion providers from violence and harassment, but before they would commit they wanted “evidence” that the violence and/or harassment was real. So, the folks at Project Choice compiled an extensive mailing list of clinics and mailed out 961 surveys. Ultimately, almost 285 were completed, a very high return rate of 30 percent.
After talking to the doctor, I called the phone number listed on the survey. I was immediately connected to a woman named Lisa Nelson. She was very personable, thrilled that a person from a pro-choice national organization had called because, as she put it, “some of the pro-choice groups we’ve talked to are very suspicious of who we are.” Ah, but I was different. I was thrilled that someone wanted to help our abortion doctors. Lisa told me about the foundation and I told her I would love to help her out by urging our doctors to participate.
The survey was impressive. It came in a package came with a self-addressed stamped envelope and when it was received, the participant received a call and a thank you note. The survey was divided into four parts: Doctor’s Profile, Motivation, Social Environment, and Harassment and Violence. Of course, we all focused on the “Harassment and Violence” section, anxious to provide them with a comprehensive picture of the terrorism that was taking place against abortion providers at the time. While I was promoting the project, staff people at the National Abortion Federation were more suspect and, indeed, encouraged their members to not participate in the survey. Always at loggerheads with NAF, I took the opposite course and told our members that I saw no problems with their filling out the survey. Indeed, I visualized Project Choice getting that big foundation grant to help stem the violence and my being part of that press conference.
Lisa and I kept in touch over the next few weeks. She was very personable, a spry young pro-choice lass who was anxious to help out her “heroes” in the field of abortion. We talked enthusiastically about the results she was getting that documented the violence and harassment against our doctors. Meanwhile, I never paid any attention to the “Social Environment” section of the survey.
One day, when Lisa and I were just chatting it up, I asked her where she was going to college and she mentioned some university in Denton, Texas. The name of the town sounded familiar and I asked my staff person if she had ever heard of it and she casually said “yeah, that’s where Life Dynamics is located.” Life Dynamics was a notorious, super aggressive anti-abortion group headed up by a wacko named Mark Crutcher. My stomach started to churn a bit.
I let it go for a few days, but ultimately picked up the phone and called the Life Dynamics office.
“Hello, Life Dynamics, can I help you?”
“Uh, yes, this is Pat Richards. Could I speak to Lisa Nelson please?”
I found myself begging that she would say “I’m sorry, there is no one here by that name.” Instead, she asked if she could put me on hold. My blood pressure started to creep up.
“Well, hello, Pat. So, you found me.”
I had to do everything to keep my lunch down. Instead of the perky college student voice I had become familiar with, the voice was now downright sinister. I had caught her to some extent (she could have ignored me but she took the call because the survey was already done). But we both knew that I had been a totally idiot and you could tell she relished the moment.
I was at a loss for words but lamely spit out “Well, Lisa, I hope you’re happy. You must be very proud of yourself.”
“Pat, this is a war and I’m a soldier of the Lord.”
I hung up, ran outside and, yes, lost my lunch. When I got back to the office, we sent out an emergency fax telling our members that we had “exposed” Project Choice, hoping folks would forget that we had originally encouraged them to participate in the survey. But, by that time, the surveys had been completed and mailed back. Still, we didn’t panic because we couldn’t imagine what they would do with “evidence” that our doctors were being terrorized.
Within a few weeks, Life Dynamics had a press conference, reveling in the fact that they had pulled off this scam and, more important to them, revealing the answers to the questions. They hardly said a work about harassment. Instead, they focused on the Social Environment section of the survey.
The cited how sixty-five percent of the doctors said they felt ostracized because of their work. Half of the doctors reported having problems keeping or recruiting staff because they did abortions. Almost 40% of the doctors said that certain aspects of the abortion procedure caused then “concern.” The strategy was to use the words of the abortion doctors themselves to prove how they were pariahs in the medical community. From this, they concluded that “the moral concerns abortion providers have about performing abortions is an internal phenomenon brought on by the nature of the act itself, and are not directly related to anti-abortion activity.”
In addition, however, the answers to the “Harassment and Violence” section gave groups like Operation Rescue encouragement. Even among providers who had not personally experienced harassment, over 20 percent said that such activity caused them to consider quitting. Many of them said that this type of activity has had a negative impact on their family. Then, they reported how the doctors reported feeling everything from anger to thoughts of suicide. Some even admitted to drug use. It was a green light for more terrorism and, indeed, the next few years were hell.
Cleverly, Life Dynamics used the “self-portrait” to paint an ugly picture of the world of abortion providers, to demonstrate that they were the “bottom feeders” of the medical world and that many of them did not feel good about their life and work. Meanwhile, they sent a signal to other anti-abortion zealots that the harassment was working.
In the long run, who knows what the survey and the subsequent pronouncements actually accomplished? Sure, it must have been a blast that day at the Life Dynamics office, the conversations and the high fives around the water cooler probably lasted for weeks. The terrorism increased, but it’s impossible to say if it was a result of this project.
What did change, however, was this ugly episode only made me more cynical, more suspicious.
That’s the saddest part of this whole story.
Related Articles
- The “Project Choice” Survey (abortion.ws)
- Bill says no abortion if there’s a heartbeat (dispatch.com)
- Fetus Set To Testify In Favor Of Anti-Abortion Bill (huffingtonpost.com)
- Anti-Abortion Groups Adopt In-Your-Face Tactics (huffingtonpost.com)




March 3, 2011 at 11:02 am
Those ProLifers were very unchristian.
Real ProLifers don’t do such things.
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March 3, 2011 at 9:32 pm
They do.
They did it!
They it everyday!
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March 3, 2011 at 11:06 pm
What a bunch of proLife Looney tunes.
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March 4, 2011 at 2:27 pm
It certainly felt “un-Christian” to me, Helen, but they would rationalize it as being a tactic in their “war.”
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March 3, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Sick story about deviant people.
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March 3, 2011 at 12:46 pm
So-called “pro-lifers” aren’t focused on human life; they’re focused on abortion. They use their professed concern for human life only as a tool to employ against their target.
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March 4, 2011 at 2:29 pm
That they did, CG. But I gotta say it was pretty clever!
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March 3, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Is this bad organization Life Dynamics still out there?
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March 3, 2011 at 7:08 pm
I am really tired of all the Pro Life deception and endless lies.
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March 4, 2011 at 2:30 pm
They are still out there I believe, Carolyn. Honestly, I haven’t paid much attention to them in the last few years. But I can tell you that they scared the crap out of abortion doctors in the day.
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March 4, 2011 at 3:14 pm
I wonder what those dirtballs are up to.
Don’t the authorities monitor these terrorist organizations?
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March 4, 2011 at 7:19 am
The amazing hypocrisy of anti-choice people is once again demonstrated in their eagerness to embrace deception and lying to pursue their goals. The ability to mount this type of fraud has only been increased by the internet.
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March 4, 2011 at 10:55 am
No doubt, but how do we stop these frauds?
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March 4, 2011 at 11:15 am
That’s a good question. Given that free speech is a worthwhile, if sometimes obnoxious, part of American life (see Westboro Baptist), attempts at silencing these liars are not desirable. I believe that the majority of people want truth, supported by facts. If supporters of the right to choose were as willing as anti-choice advocates to speak out through the available channels of the media, and to speak out personally to friends about their positions, that could be a start. Anti-choicers fully exploit the stigma associated with abortion. Wouldn’t it be a wonderful lift for women to be able to proudly wear the “Ask me about my abortion” t-shirt!
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March 4, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Another good t-shirt: “Every other woman you meet has had an abortion.”
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March 4, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Would you wear it?
You could probably think of something funny to write on the back as well ….
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March 4, 2011 at 2:33 pm
I wouldn’t wear it…
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March 9, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Only Satan would wear it.
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March 4, 2011 at 12:20 pm
I’d be afraid to wear one of those tee shirts.
Some pro life murderer would shoot me!
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March 4, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Well, Jack, that’s a little bit of an overreaction, wouldn’t you say?
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March 6, 2011 at 8:23 am
Shooting, perhaps. Harassment, no.
I believe one would be harrased in an intimidating and possibly violent way wearing one of those shirts.
Promoters do it every day already without a person having to wear a t shirt.
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March 4, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Marty is absolutely correct. If we start putting restrictions on their free speech, where does that lead? As for the tee shirt, numerous groups have tried to get that going but to no avail. Seriously,unless you are a flaming feminist type, who the hell would wear that?
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March 4, 2011 at 3:45 pm
What kind of people, when Jews were being prosecuted, would wear Stars of David on their outfits? Oh, wait, those who supported freedom?
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March 5, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Pro Life People are like modern Nazi terrorists.
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March 4, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Ah, Marty, but they would say that lying is small compared to the larger issues….
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March 4, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Lying is the very heart of their activity. In several years of clinic escorting, I can honestly say that anti-choicers’ only aim is to display their oversized, bullying, mean-spirited egos. The lies just get them more attention, which is like fodder to a starving jackass (apologies to the four-legged jackasses) I’ve never seen one of these people the least bit interested in women, just the possible contents of their uteri. They’re basically pornographers, getting off on pregnancy.
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March 4, 2011 at 3:47 pm
That is nice that you are an escort. You should video them!
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March 6, 2011 at 1:15 pm
I agree, mary. They seem to get a thrill out of watching pregnant women walk into an abortion facility. And they are accomplishing absolutely nothing, dont you think?
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March 6, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Oops, meant “marty”
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March 6, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Thanks, Pat
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March 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm
I agree with Marty too.
I despise those protesters.
The police do not arrest them like they should when they break the law.
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March 4, 2011 at 7:26 am
What the ‘pro-choice’ side needs to understand is that it has basically been fighting a defense since Roe v. Wade. The so-called “pro-lifers” have always gone to the trenches, poked and probed for weaknesses and exploited them where possible. As long as we simply respond, they are not going to be defeated– and defeat is what’s called for.
Every scpl who is at a public demonstration needs to be questioned on videotape; every one who has had an abortion, who has abused a child, who has stolen public money, abused a public trust, broken the law or in any other way shown himself to live at odds with the morality he espouses, should be unmasked, uncloaked, held up to public scrutiny.
You don’t cure a disease by pretending it’s the natural order of things.
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March 4, 2011 at 2:36 pm
The only way “we” are going to win is when abortion becomes more acceptable and the stigma is gone. It certainly ain’t gonna happen in my lifetime…if ever
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March 4, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Young people on average are much more liberal now then they were two decades ago.
Don’t be so surprised.
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March 4, 2011 at 11:23 am
Oh!! I remember that very well..and even though I knew alot of ya’ll were happy to get important info together (in one place)..I was and always am..a very suspicious person!! Thanks to the professional life I chose..LOL!! I just guarded all my info (to close sometimes)..but really my attorney at the time said “Something doesn’t sound right to me..hold off on that for now” and so that is why I did not respond!! However, Pat I still felt like we were sucker punched..and that was an important lesson in ..you can’t trust anyone!! (except of course..I trust you!!) LOL
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March 4, 2011 at 11:47 am
I found this story disturbing. I did not realize how profoundly ProLifers played these subversive games.
Reading your stories emboldens me to do what I can to support women’s rights.
Thank you
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March 4, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Thanks, Heather. The first thing you should do is send a check to your favorite pro-choice group.
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March 4, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Sadly, I have more time than $$$s.
What can i do?
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March 6, 2011 at 1:16 pm
One thing you can do, Heather, is go out and work for a political candiddate who is pro-choice, no matter what the office. We need VOTES
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March 5, 2011 at 7:22 am
These groups always want more money.
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March 6, 2011 at 1:17 pm
You’re right, Ricky. I’ve worked for one of those pro-choice groups in the 1980’s and they are focused in many ways on raising money.
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March 4, 2011 at 2:38 pm
I didnt know you didn’t send it in, Lorraine. Geez, I was so naive. Actually, my naivete got me in trouble a number of times, didn’t it? But I’m glad i remembered this episode. I have to say that those folks were extremely clever! Indeed, I’m convinced I could put a book together about all of these off the wall episodes that took place (versus just the “usual” protesting shit). tgo
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March 4, 2011 at 5:05 pm
I am glad that you are documenting your experiences Pat. People like myself are learning from them.
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March 5, 2011 at 5:09 pm
No doubt..we have stories that would make people’s “toes curl”..some really scary stories..I know I have quite a few!!
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March 6, 2011 at 8:17 am
Let’s hear them, if you don’t write them down people will not know and society will forget collectively.
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March 6, 2011 at 1:18 pm
I know Lorraine has a lot of stories, but the question is where could she post them? Could we set up her own blog?
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March 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Lorraine,
That would be nice.
You write nicely and you sound like you have a lot of really good stories like Pat.
Would you chronicle your stories and do modern commentary?
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March 7, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Heather, what do you mean when you ask if Lorraine can do “commentary?” WHERE can she do it??
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March 4, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Re: video of protesters: check out these youtube videos! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FNmM8axbeg
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March 5, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Heather in #7: “I have more time than money. What can I do?”
If you have the courage and determination, you can take a like-minded friend, a video camera and a microphone to any anti-abortion demonstration. Ask each one why he/she is there and record their answer. Then ask the following questions:
1. How many children do you have?
2. How many children have you adopted?
3. Are you a foster parent?
4. Are you a Big Sister or Big Brother?
5. How many hours do you spend as a public school classroom volunteer?
6. Are you a guardian ad litem for children?
Edit the film so that the best open-ended response is at the front, then each question is followed by all the answers given.
What you’ll have as a result is a film that opens up with, ‘I’m trying to rescue the “unborn humans” that are going in to be slaughtered there.” “How many children do you have?” “Six.” “Four.” None.” “Five.” and so on, then: “How many have you adopted?” “None.” “None.” “None.” “None.” “None.” “None.” “I will when God tells me to.” “Are you a foster parent?” “No.” “No.” “No.” “No.” “No.” “No.” “No.” “No.” “No.” And so on.
Then take it to your local public access TV station and put it on the air. Give copies to the pastors of all the churches, and give it to the people you taped.
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March 5, 2011 at 12:35 pm
How do I protect myself?
Some of these people are really violent.
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March 5, 2011 at 1:20 pm
They might come across as violent, but your fears are largely unfounded. The closer you get to them, the more of their persona they shed. When you ask them to express themselves, they’re flattered and somewhat gratified that someone is listening to them (after all, they seek to have their underlying issue addressed, and nobody’s listening to them).
By the time you get around to asking them the yes/no questions, they’re fairly normal.
You might as I did run into somebody who asks if you’ve been saved. Avoid the detour; assure them you have been (your definition doesn’t have to match his) and interview him.
If you’re a Christian, wear a piece of religious jewelry; if you’re anything else, leave it home.
If you don’t want to do it yourself, but you know of a group that needs to be taped, I might be able to do it. I’m in the Northeast, so anything within 100 miles of Hartford Connecticut is a possibility.
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March 6, 2011 at 1:20 pm
You’re average protestor, Heather, is not violent…
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March 6, 2011 at 1:19 pm
And that will do what, CG? I guess if you have way too much time on your hands, you can do things like that but for most people it’s not practical. And where that gets you, I dunno….I guess you are putting together another talking point. We have got to elect politicians who will vote pro-choice, period…
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March 7, 2011 at 10:30 am
Pat, when kids see how grown-ups misbehave, the grown-ups lose them forever. Taping is a long-range strategy to place the so-called “pro-lifers” on the same pedestal as the WCTU has occupied since the repeal of Prohibition. The movement is a coffin just waiting for nails.
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March 6, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Pat, if you are indeed the person who “broke the scam” of Project Choice, “Pat Richards” isn’t your real name. How do I know? I am “Lisa” (you are also wrong about that…that was not the name I used….”Marissa Antonucci” was the name we used to send out the surveys). It has been years since Mark and I did Project Choice, and I am still very proud of what we accomplished. We exposed abortionists as being a bunch of sad, twisted, lonely individuals, preying on desperate women for monetary gain. “Pat”, I will ask you the same question I asked you years ago: you claim to be a Christian. I am too. When I stand before the Lord, if I was wrong in what I did, my defense is going to be that I was attempting to save the lives of moms and their innocent children. But if YOU are wrong, what are YOU going to say to God when he introduces you to the souls you destroyed on this earth? What are you going to say? Oh, and as I recall, you stepped down as head of the National Abortion Federation when the story broke. You, Pat, were the person who vouched for us in the abortion community. Without your vote of confidence and encouragement to other providers to fill out those surveys, Project Choice would probably not have been such a success. Have a nice day.
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March 7, 2011 at 5:42 am
Linda,
Sounds like you completely miss almost every point of understanding about this blog. You probably are unfamiliar with the culture here if you are new.
Did you pretend to be a Pro choice organization when you were not?
Is abortion ever OK?
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March 7, 2011 at 4:53 pm
I think Linda has a legitimate right to opine on my piece, especially since she was the “Lisa” of my piece. That’s pretty cool…
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March 7, 2011 at 7:52 pm
I am pro life.
These extremist groups like the one written about here that I have never heard of is an embarrassment to our cause.
The 2-3 people reacting to the post are not real pro lifers as Jesus would be.
They embarrass me, I am ashamed to be lumped in the same category of pro life with them.
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March 7, 2011 at 5:50 am
I find the CPC mills, and most pro life groups despicable liars.
Linda, you did so much work, yet R v W stands for four decades. Dou you really think it will be reversed in your lifetime?
God has seen fit to protect women’s civil liberties.
God has helped pass laws protecting offices that do abortion,
Prosecuting successfully many pro life terrorists,
Facilitating the invention of the Abortion Pill, Methotrexate, Mifepristone, Misoprostol, and the Morning After Pill.
If you are trying to do God’s work, you are on the wrong side.
Hard to argue with that.
Would Jesus have done the nefarious things your organization has done over the years? No.
Pro lifer’s just tend to be cognitively challenged.
See ya at the voting booth!
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March 7, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Hey, Linda! Thanks for chiming in. Just a clarification…I was never the head of NAF. But, yes, I vouched for you folks, as I said in my piece. You got me good! Sorry about the name mix-up, it’s been so many years but I dont remember that name you just gave me, indeed, I wonder if you said “Linda” and that’s where I got “Lisa.” Oh well, the memory is going.
As for the question about my maker and all that jazz, I’m confident I’ll do okay in the afterlife in terms of where I wind up because I really do believe I’ve helped millions of women in difficult situations. But I guess we’ll see. If there is a way for me to report back, I’ll try. Please give my regards to Mark, he was a worthy foe. P.S. – as for what PC accomplished….well, those docs are still doing abortions…
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March 8, 2011 at 9:48 am
“my maker and all that jazz” is pretty flippant when you consider that you will be meeting the one whose ten commandments does not include helping women in difficult situations but very clearly includes thou shalt not kill.
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March 8, 2011 at 10:05 am
You yourself admitted it was OK to kill the baby if the Mother’s life was in Danger.
What about killing in War? Is that OK?
What about Christian ProLifers Killing Doctors and other civilians?
What about the millions of people murdered by Christians during the Inquisitions, the witch burnings, the Pilgrimages, and on and on, Christian Killing.
Christian killing is the biggest killing institution in the history of the world.
Ironic Aquagirl, isn’t it?
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March 8, 2011 at 11:54 am
Geez, Aquagirl, chill out…Do you ever have fun?
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February 10, 2014 at 6:51 pm
Jan22SHatzi I think you are an amazing woman. Strong, bold and cofdinent. I see things in you that I can now say that I see in myself. Believe it or not I have learned a lot from you. Seeing where I use to be and who I use to be I’m not very proud. BUT I hold my head up high because with every mistake in life there is a leason learned. I’m not perfect, but I have given my life a complete make-over. Oh Snap You do hold a special place in my heart. If you ever need anything please don’t hesitate to ask. Even if I’m over sea’s I’ll send the NAVY to your rescue You are truly beautiful inside and out. My world is brighter just by knowing you. Keep posting your beautiful photos and blogs, for they help encourage so many .
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March 8, 2011 at 10:08 am
Linda and Aquagirl and their compatriotes evade questions.
They cannot answer them.
They have mental challenges, it is very clear.
That is why they avoid the questions.
They make opinions on things they know nothing about.
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March 7, 2011 at 9:32 am
Elle, I don’t have a lot of time, so no, I did not investigate the purpose of this blog. To answer your questions, “yes” and “no”.
And Heather, God gives people free will to do good or evil. Some of us, including those formulating the latest human pesticide for women to ingest, use that free will to go in the wrong direction. Amazes me how so-called feminists are always so gung-ho about guys down at the pharmaceutical labs throwing together chemicals that we women are expected to down to control “our” reproduction. Ever wonder why breast cancer rates have skyrocketed?
As far as your statement of, “‘pro-lifer’S’ tend to be cogitively challenged”, you just keep making those grammatical errors and underestimating us. And pssstt…little secret I’ll let you in on….voting booth isn’t the answer to this issue, though I will continue to visit it whenever it is opened.
Have a great Monday.
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March 7, 2011 at 10:36 am
As I’ve posted before, “free will” is exercised only by the insane. Everybody else limits their range of choices by what they have learned already. If they have not learned that it’s okay to try something new, they’re not going to try something new. The notion of “free will” is largely a tool used by so-called “pro-lifers” to escape responsibility for their statements and their actions, and it’s what Linda’s doing here.
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March 7, 2011 at 11:12 am
The most important sign that a person cannot support their position and further their cause is when they cannot answer the simplest of questions and detract from meaningful discussion by making the logical fallacy of correcting someone’s grammar.
If you cannot support your position in your cause, then you are like a puppet of others that feed you nonsense that you just regurgitate.
We thank pro lifers for harming their own cause as that is why R v W will stand and women will always have access to abortion no matter what games or heinous crimes pro lifers commit.
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March 7, 2011 at 10:23 am
Hey Linda, good to hear from you. I too noticed that “Pat” wasn’t really who he said he was. I find it hilarious that he went outside and threw-up! I remember him saying something about you all just yucking it up in Texas! Oh yeah!! I do not believe he has not kept up with Life Dynamics for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that the picture of Mark is very, very recent.
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March 7, 2011 at 11:02 am
Aquagirl,
Is abortion ever OK?
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March 7, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Only to save the life of the mother; in which case, the doctors should do everything possible to save the life of both mother and child and if the consequence is that the baby dies, that is a shame but the way it is.
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March 7, 2011 at 12:34 pm
What about a partial molar pregnancy?
Is Abortion OK then as well?
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March 7, 2011 at 12:44 pm
AquaGirl,
Is contraception, especially hormonal contraception, or the IUD OK?
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March 7, 2011 at 6:30 pm
I guess Aquagirl doesn’t like to answer the hard questions.
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March 8, 2011 at 7:16 am
Aqua girl,
You can’t answer those questions?
Any good Christian can.
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March 8, 2011 at 10:10 am
Aquagirl avoids answering questions, that is what prolifers do.
They do not have answers!
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March 9, 2011 at 3:57 pm
AG, Linda …
What do you think about the CPC Mills?
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March 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm
AG,
Sorry to be off topic,
But is your avatar name related to the fact you like comic books?
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March 7, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Yeah, Aquagirl, seems that ‘ole Pat is a closet Mark fan: that IS a new picture. We’ve all moved on with our lives since ’93, and seems like he went from actually puking way back when, to verbally vomiting here. Ya gotta love it, don’t you?
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March 8, 2011 at 11:01 am
That was dumb anonymous.
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March 9, 2011 at 4:02 pm
That was really dumb anonymous.
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March 7, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Hi, Aquagirl! I love how you folks say you’re the good Christians. Would Jesus “laugh” at my throwing up, whatever the reason? Anyway, I didn’t put that picture of Mark in the piece. I am not the one who does the pictures. Anyway, like I asked Linda…I really wonder what LD actually accomplished. If your goal was to stop abortion well, look at the stats….How do you respond?
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March 8, 2011 at 10:13 am
They are not real Christians, no real Christian would make fun of you vomiting after being scammed by their satanic ways.
They need to embrace the Lord Jesus and be saved.
Aquagirl, Linda,
do you consider yourself Christian?
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March 8, 2011 at 9:29 am
internet…recent pictures are at your finger-tips..
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March 7, 2011 at 10:26 am
Ah, Linda! At last, a true “pro-lifer” who not only fought the demon abortion but is now ready to reveal to the world:
1. How many children she’s adopted.
2. How many she’s been a foster parent for.
3. How many she’s been a Big Sister to.
4. How many hours a year she spends as a public school classroom volunteer.
5. How much time she spends as a guardian ad litem for children.
6. How much of her gross annual income she spends directly on the needs of children whose parents can’t or won’t care for them, specifically:
A. Pampers until potty-trained: $5,000.
B. Immunizations to age 6: $6,000
C. Well-child checkups to age 6: $5,000.
D. Infant formula for one year: $1,920.
E. Meals from age 1 to18: $18,615.
F. Child care to age 6 so mom can work: $30,000.
G. After-school programs and summer camps to age 17 so mom can work: $38,400
H. Clothing to age 18: beyond price.
RESPONSIBLE Right to Life has been looking for you a long time, Linda! Welcome to our bosom…. That is, if you have been caring FOR human life rather than ABOUT it.
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March 7, 2011 at 11:04 am
I doubt she or most her compatriots have done anything to help children in poverty.
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March 7, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Hey Responsible!!!!
I will be happy to tell you how many children I adopted. That would be three. Two of them are special needs….major special needs. My now 14 year old has spina bifida, scoliosis, fused kidney, and congenital amputation of the right leg at the knee. My other disabled child we adopted when she was two, and she died in 2004 at the age of almost 6. She was born with only the right portion of her brain, and part of her brain stem was missing. She had profound mental delays, grand mal and petite mal seizures, cerebral palsey, and she couldn’t walk. I went to wake her up on a June morning, and found her dead in her bed from a heart attack. There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t miss her terribly. She is my angel now, waiting in heaven.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO ANSWER?
No, let me predict how it will go next. You will either criticize me for not adopting MORE children than the three we could save (one was a abortion mill save, by the way: birthmom is now like a daughter to me: love her with all my heart), you will call me a liar and say I made everything up, or you will change the subject because I DID stand up and walked my talk.
Let’s see which one he or she goes for…
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March 7, 2011 at 3:27 pm
No, I’m not going to tell you to adopt another; I’m asking why you haven’t. After all, you want so many more born, 150,000,000 of them, and there are only 160,000 adoptions a year. Last time I looked, New York State had 25,000 adoptables nobody wanted– and you weren’t there.
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March 7, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Well, looks like Responsible went for the “why haven’t you adopted more?” tactic. If you are nothing else, you are predictable.
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March 8, 2011 at 7:06 am
And you have ducked the question. If my parents could raise eleven children, why can’t you?????
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March 8, 2011 at 10:59 am
This is incredible, we are laughing our asses off!
These pro lifers are so dumb!
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March 8, 2011 at 7:05 am
It’s up to those who want to see another baby come in the world to do their best to make sure it doesn’t grow up to be another Ted Bundy. Why do you feel it’s okay to walk away from any baby you insisted be born?
And why do you assume that the only way you’re going to prevent one from growing up like Bundy is to kill it?
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March 7, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Whoa “responsible rtl” and heather, knowing linda i can tell you that you both are barking way, way up the wrong tree! she goes way beyond the call of duty in MANY of these areas you listed. I find your user name, resp…rtl laughable.
Also, have you all missed the fact that “Pat” criticized life dynamics, mark and linda for lying when linda exposed his lies? she used her real name; why didn’t he? maybe he is ashamed of what he does for a living, i.e. support the killing of babies. what hypocrisy!
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March 7, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Linda cannot even answer a simple question as you were able to. I do not know who she is, I won’t make inferences that I cannot support, as she has done.
The truth is the vast majority of Pro Lifers have never adopted a baby.
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March 7, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Read my reply to “Responsible”. Seems that YOU are the liar here. How many kids have YOU adopted, by the way?
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March 7, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Even without knowing Heather, I can assure you she has adopted every child that she wanted rescued. How about you?
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March 8, 2011 at 8:56 am
Anonymous you are a real dummy, you cannot even read.
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March 8, 2011 at 8:57 am
Linda still cannot answer a single question with any intelligence.
What an idiot!
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March 9, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Linda is definitely challenged intellectually.
She has no idea about what she speaks of, that is why her lame excuses for not answering questions are so transparent.
She is obviously a real medical Cretin.
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March 7, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Aquagirl, the fact that these abortion fans STILL have their bloomers in such a wad over “Project Choice” shows what an absolute success the whole project was and still is. When you shine a bright light, the cockroaches scatter, don’t they? ;-D
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March 7, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Anonymous, speaking for myself I am “still” not in a “wad” over PC. I just wrote about it cause I thought it was interesting.
But I”m curious. After PC “exposed” the docs, how was your project a “success?” The number of abortions is almost the same, the field still has a lot of docs except perhaps in rural areas. I mean, be honest, what exactly did you accomplish? P.S. – I would ask the same question (and have) of the pro-choice groups when they make such claims…
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March 8, 2011 at 8:55 am
This Anonymous person isn’t very smart.
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March 7, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Aquagirl, don’t speak for Linda when it comes to caring for human life; that’s a dodge so-called “pro-lifers” use to excuse their own lack of caring FOR rather than ABOUT. Answer those questions for yourself. We’re waiting to hear.
“Anonymous,” if you want another baby born, why won’t you care for it? Espcially when you’ve done so well with the others? Why not raise the baby you don’t want to raise, as you insist others do?
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March 7, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Actually, I applaud Anonymous for adopting. That really is a touching story and I appreciate that she walks the walk. Unlike others, I dont think you need to adopt ten kids to be “responsible.”
And I dont recall “criticizing” LD…Indeed, I tip my hat to them. This was an ingenious scam! As I said, I certainly fell for it!
Finally, I am/was not “ashamed” of what I did for a living in those days. Was very proud, actually.
Appreciate you, Aqua and Linda for chiming in. Wonder who “anonymous” is?
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March 7, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Annon. is me….Linda. I don’t spend enough time on these type boards I guess, and I neglected to check in with typing my name. You see, I have a life away from the computer….LOL
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March 8, 2011 at 7:14 am
Is being a hippocrite, a SCAM artist, a non thinker, a person that tries to take away other’s civil liberties is a so called life?
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March 8, 2011 at 9:45 am
Interesting that you misspelled hypocrite so that is looks like the Hippocratic oath which says that doctors should save lives, not take them.
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March 8, 2011 at 10:18 am
Again typical pro lifer response, when they cannot answer a question they point to misspellings (I think it was a double entendre) instead of addressing the issues directly.
Like the Pro Lifers here even point out these (Linda, AG) prolifers are pathetic freaks.
AG are you smart enough to answer questions?
So far you have proven you cannot.
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March 8, 2011 at 11:58 am
Thanks for clarifying Linda. I have a life away from this stuff as well although I have to admit it does get a little addictive at times…
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March 7, 2011 at 3:52 pm
My, my aren’t we getting catty?! I too have adopted a child whose mother had had an abortion before and saw what a screwed up result that was. Linda cares about and for her children. You don’t even know her and you make huge assumptions. Get back on topic instead of attacking people you neither know nor know anything about. You show your ignorance when you can’t even stay on topic. What about “Pat”‘s big, fat lies? It’s ok with you since he agrees with you.
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March 7, 2011 at 5:08 pm
I’m sorry, Aquagirl, I”m not good at keeping up with these threads. What are the big fat “lies” that I’ve told? If it’s about my name, regular readers know that it is a nom de plume. You should go back and read my stuff and catch up! Where their other “lies?” Thanks
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March 7, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Well, I do stand corrected on the lies you told. I went back and read everything. I apologize. However, I find it very hard to believe that you haven’t kept up with Life Dynamics and Mark Crutcher. He is still considered one of the most creative thinkers in the pro-life movement. Ever heard of childpredator.com (the forerunner to what Life Action is doing now)? Ever heard of Maafa 21? How about the marketing of baby parts? Surely, something rings a bell!
As for numbers, the number of abortions is down and the number of abortion clinics in the country is way down. There were about 1200+ in 1992 and there are less than 800 now. Of course, the little players don’t seem to notice that Planned Parenthood is taking them all out and building their big mega-centers.
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March 8, 2011 at 10:20 am
You sure do stand corrected. You are wrong on every point.
I laugh when I see Christian proLifers here thinking you and Linda are morons.
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March 8, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Honestly, I haven’t kept up with Mark and LD. When I left NCAP about 7 years ago, it was refreshing to focus on other things – like my kids. I only got into this blogging stuff about a year or so ago.
Anyway, I do remember the marketing of parts stuff, some sleazeball in Illinois if I recall. Totally disgusting. As for PPFA, I have noticed how they are getting more expansive.
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March 8, 2011 at 12:03 pm
P.S. – thanks for apologizing about the lie thing…
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March 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm
So, aquagirl, when are you going to start addressing the needs of 25,000 unadoptable children in New York state? If you think other women should have to raise children against their will, why should you be exempt from your own rule?
The closer life gets to being your responsibility, the less sacred it becomes, doesn’t it?
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March 7, 2011 at 5:08 pm
All you’ve done is adopt one child????? And you want millions more to be born? Why haven’t you adopted another? You could prevent the next one from growing up to be like Ted Bundy. Why have you stopped?
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March 7, 2011 at 11:31 pm
How do you know which ones are going to grow up to be Ted Bundy and which ones could be Ghandis? Or do you just want to kill ’em all?
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March 8, 2011 at 8:47 am
I am proLife and you make me ill the way you act.
You, and your group to not emulate the simplest teachings of our good lord Jesus Christ.
You harm all the real pro Lifers, I wish you and your fanatics would stop and let the real prolifers get the work done.
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March 8, 2011 at 10:21 am
Incredible Linda,
you missed that one!
You are not that smart are you?
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March 8, 2011 at 7:19 am
Typical reply,
Looks like she is not smart enough to answer your question CG.
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March 8, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Geez, CG, can’t we commend her for at least adopting one child? I mean, that is very commendable considering most people never adopt any. I applaud her, I know adoption can be a tough process.
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March 8, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Mark,Linda’s not going to answer that question because it means trouble for her.
It is very important for the so-called “pro-lifer” to conserve her energy, because the battle againts her almost-certain oblivion requires so much effort. Therefore, she is not going to waste it on raising a child she doesn’t want to.
Pat, I have a real problem with anyone who says other women should raise one more child than she wants to. I’ll give her credit for raising her own kid when she pulls her nose out of other people’s business. Unfortunately, because she is obsessed with abortion, she can’t do that.
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March 8, 2011 at 8:45 am
As I proLifer these groups that Linda (?) say she is from and the way she acts is a disgrace to all of us working hard to be real Christian prolifers.
They harm our cause.
They are not real Christians.
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March 8, 2011 at 9:43 am
Just what DO you do to stop abortion? I’m not talking one abortion at a time, I’m talking all abortions?
And is it your place to judge whether someone is a Christian or not? I don’t think so!
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March 8, 2011 at 10:24 am
No Aquagirl it is not my Job.
It is the Lord Jesus.
I prayed to him and he told me you were not real questions, and if you continued to be possessed by the ideas of Satan you will end up in Hell.
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March 8, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Aquagirl, this is all so familiar and typical, isn’t it? WE are the ones who have adopted children, but in their eyes we are the evil ones. In their world good is evil and evil good. And no, I haven’t answered all your questions…I have two jobs, and I am in school studying to be a Licenced Chemical Dependancy Counselor. I don’t have time to chase a bunch of mudslinging threads. I’ve adopted three kids, and Aquagirl has adopted one, and I’m pretty sure that is four more than all of you proaborts have adopted, combined. As Mark says, the prolife movement is a battle, and the battle is over when the killing stops.
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March 9, 2011 at 6:58 am
When are pro lifers going to stop murdering innocent people?
That is a good point you raise Linda.
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March 9, 2011 at 9:16 am
Joey, looks like you have never seen an aborted baby. And the killing I was commenting on was babies, their mothers, their fathers, abortionists, nurses, etc. In the eyes of God, killing is killing, and ALL of it should stop. Read the Feminists for Life statement about life: it articulates a truly prolife stance…as does Life Dynamics.
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March 9, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Again Linda,
When are Pro Life terrorists going to stop their activities and murder of innocent people?
Why do even pro lifers think you are a nit wit?
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March 9, 2011 at 7:00 am
Linda, what does it say about your care for human life when you insist that someone else have a child you won’t care about?
Of course, imagining that other peoople consider you evil is to picture yourself as a martyr, an enjoyable reward for someone engaged in trying to make him- or herself look like a hero in a self-invented struggle. I am dismayed that you can’t consider what other people’s children need in order to grow well, rather than focusing on your need to deal with your discomfort about abortion. I also wonder whether your feelings about abortion are going to harm your future chemical dependency clients.
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March 9, 2011 at 7:21 am
RR,
The more I read what you write,
The more I realize how right you are.
Linda has time to read and opine but can’t answer a question.
Ask a pro lifer a good question and they scatter like cockroaches.
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March 9, 2011 at 10:33 am
Thank you, Joey. For a full read on where Linda and aquagirl are coming from, research aborticentrism.
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March 9, 2011 at 7:24 am
Bringing her own idiotic, judgmental, unobjective biases to therapy, she will be a horrible DDC.
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March 9, 2011 at 9:10 am
What an infantile comment. But what was I to expect?
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March 9, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Linda,
Thank you for proving my point again and again.
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March 9, 2011 at 11:31 pm
As a recovering addict, I think I will be a good counselor. I got addicted to prescription pain and sleeping meds after my 5 yo daughter died. In her memory, I am hoping to be able to help others through the pain of loss and addiction. If you are wanting to twist and contort that into something negative, I truly pity you.
Bye guys. It’s been a blast from the past, but it’s time to get back to the non-blogging world. If any of you truly want to dialog, drop me a line at prolifemom@gmail.com
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March 9, 2011 at 9:13 am
I would think at least some of my clients in the future…both male and female, will have issues of guilt and loss to work through, and I will help them do that IF AND ONLY IF they bring it up as an issue. And just for the record, I didn’t call anyone evil…that was a proabort making that comment about Aquagirl and I.
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March 9, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Hi,
As a Doctorate in Mental Health, and SAC,
Linda, it is clearly noted by our professional organization that people like you should NOT, be a mental health or substance abuse counselor.
You are actually dangerous.
I am sad for all your potential future patients as you will fail much more of them than someone who is not so intolerant.
Regards
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March 9, 2011 at 5:55 pm
I am a licensed abuse counselor.
It is clear Linda would be horrible at this occupation reading what she describes as her positive attributes. I agree entirely.
I pray she does not proceed and harm even more people.
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March 9, 2011 at 8:59 am
Sticks and stones, guys and gals. Sticks and stones. Why should I waste my time justifying myself? I have adopted handicapped children, biracial children, etc. I have taken in women who are pregnant that need a place to live. Because you see, when considering abortion women aren’t deciding whether to be a mom or not. When abortion is an “option”, the decision is if the woman and MAN want to be parents of a live baby or a dead one. Seems like the only person in here who is interested in having a true dialog is Ron (oops, I mean, “Pat”)
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March 9, 2011 at 2:05 pm
You can say my name, Linda. The world wont cave in….
And, yes, I am interested in a dialogue. I grow weary of all the name calling, it’s childish. It sounds to me like Linda is really talking the talk in that she has done a lot to help other kids who were not wanted. I tip my hat to you, Linda. Obviously, where we will differ is with “the killing.” And, yes, that’s what abortion is. Indeed, I’ve written about that. And, to me, that is the really sad thing about abortion in that women feel – for whatever their reason – that they need to do it. And I guess I would just prefer that if they are going to do it, they do it in a safe, legal environment. Sure, “legal” does not always mean safe but my reading of history is that “illegal” is more dangerous. I hope you will continue to dialogue with us, Linda, at your convenience. Ignore the haters and name callers. If you remember our conversations, I’d like to think you’ll remember that I meant well. Neither one of us will change our mind, but I feel like God/Jesus/Buddha whoever we believe in would want us all to be civil about this….
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March 9, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Linda,
You are pathetic.
Typical pro Life terrorist.
Do you believe Pro Life terrorism is OK?
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March 9, 2011 at 10:27 am
Linda, what does it say about you when you won’t care for a child that you insisted be born?
“Pro-choicers” know their limits in caring for real human life, and they don’t insist that others should care more for children than they do. A focus on abortion to the extent that it precludes care for real human beings is a problem.. It might even prevent you from offering professional services to people who have had abortions.
And would you stop eating meat if you saw how our agribusinesses operate? Most of us don’t. We develop a sense of proportion about the suffering we are willing to inflict on sentient animals in order to avoid hunger. And as one of eleven children, I can assure you that a sense of proportion about abortion is necessary in order to care for children who are born.
So-called “pro-lifers” haven’t worked out a balance between their feelings about abortion and the needs of real children.
I don’t know whether that’s because they don’t want to or because they can’t, but I strongly believe it’s the latter. Why do you let your antipathy toward abortion get in the way of the need to care for children you want born?
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March 9, 2011 at 2:07 pm
But, CG, she IS caring for some kids that were “not aborted.” There are about one million a year. Do you expect her to care for all of them? At least she is doing something, no??
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March 9, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Thank you!
I think the responsibility to not get pregnant in the first place needs to be placed on the woman AND THE MAN (where, by the way, is birth control pill for men? Something that they have to ingest, place, or shoot? I find it very odd that “feminists” don’t spend more of their time demanding that men be held accountable as well as women for reproductive choice. And while I’m on that subject, I am 100% PROCHOICE when it comes to PREVENTING pregnancy. THAT is where the choice needs to be made. Don’t you care about the women who have been injured and killed by abortionists? Oh, and don’t even bother to, in the words of my teens, to “go there” saying abortion is “just another choice”. It’s not.
The only difference between a baby waiting to be born and one that has already been born is location and time. Development of the baby is a smooth continuem (sp?): if you are against aborting a baby 5 minutes before it’s born, why? Where do you draw the line? Don’t draw it at viability, either: 100 years ago…or even 10 or 5 years ago…viability was very different as than it is today.It’s not that the natural law or morality is changing, but it’s medicine changing.
What do you think about the Texas about to become law that every mom getting an abortion must first be shown a sonogram, hear the baby’s heartbeat, and be told of the development of the baby as well as the risks abortion poses to the mother as a “blind” procedure (meaning the doctor doesn’t see what he’s doing…he just pushes that vac tube into the uterus and starts vacumning away, perhaps injuring the cervix, going through the uterine wall, and lots of other complications)? Isn’t that just informed consent that every other surgery patient gets?
Also, shame on all of you that discounts the adoption of one child or a few. Someone reading this may be on the fence, thinking, “will adopting one child make a difference?” Do YOU want to be responsible for a child not getting a home, Responsible?
The good news is that the number of abortion mills is down, the number of abortions is down, and many teens surveyed disagree with abortion. There was an article out this week (sorry, can’t cite it right now) that indicates young people are valuing their virginiy, as well. Shouldn’t we ALL celebrate these things?
Anyhow, there are some questions. ponderings and such for anyone that wishes to, to ponder and opine on.
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March 9, 2011 at 4:42 pm
The best news is the Christian mills are down as less people embrace the insanity murderous Christianity,
And CPC mills are being shut down for there documented lies and deception.
Linda,
You are likely the stupidest person I have read on this blog you idiot.
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March 9, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Well, as long as I am standing out as the #1 in my field… ROTFL.
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March 9, 2011 at 4:48 pm
What about abortion for a tubal pregnancy?
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March 10, 2011 at 7:07 am
You draw the line above, willing to kill the fertilized baby cell with hormonal contraception. You said you support that choice.
How do you defend that.
A person of integrity of their conviction would not allow such a thing as birth control or the morning after pill or the IUD.
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March 10, 2011 at 10:07 am
So many things to comment on, I’ll take one – the ultrasounds. Actually, most REPUTABLE clinics offer women the opportunity to view the ultrasounds. I’m sure there are cases where a woman changed her mind when she saw her “baby” and that it totally okay with me. However, most just say okay and go along with the procedure. I’ve written about this before how I was with a woman who was about 22 weeks pregnant, she saw the ultrasound (she let me in the room with her) and she went and had the abortion. Sad, but she felt she had to do it. And, if the doctor was not there, who knows what that woman would have done? It’s all very difficult.
And, folks, if you disagree with someone calling them names doesn’t help your cause. Indeed, it’s infantile. Make a solid argument for gosh’s sakes….
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March 10, 2011 at 11:07 am
I agree with Anderson. Linda has no integrity with her beliefs and actions.
She wrote it her self in black and white.
She is indignant, and harms our efforts to get rid of legal abortion.
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March 9, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Pat, that doesn’t excuse her from being responsible for the next child she insists be born; it’s like giving a drunk driver a pass after an accident because he used to be a tank mechanic in the Army. It’s two different things.
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March 9, 2011 at 5:41 pm
CG is right!!
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