I don’t know why, but this weekend I was thinking about Bob Packwood.
For those of you who don’t remember that name, Bob Packwood was the long-time U.S. Senator from the state of Oregon who was the first true Congressional “champion” for abortion rights. Elected in 1968, he actually introduced legislation legalizing abortion before the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v Wade decision. Unfortunately, Packwood got absolutely no support for his legislation but the Court ultimately came forward enshrining this important right.
Once abortion was legalized, Packwood became the point person for the pro-choice movement. He led the battles against the forces of evil that sought to restrict abortion rights, endearing himself to all of the pro-choice organizations. At a time when even pro-choice legislators were running from the issue, Packwood stood alone. He courageously stood on the floor of the U.S. Senate and defended the rights of women to have abortions. Of course, this also made him a target for virulent anti–abortion attacks, including hundreds of personal threats.
In the early 1980’s, Packwood was the lead pro-choice strategist in the fight against a proposed constitutional amendment that would have overturned Roe v Wade. As the chief lobbyist for the National Abortion Rights Action League at the time, I (along with my pro-choice colleagues) met with Packwood regularly as we discussed our vote counts, field strategy, how to talk to the media, etc. At one point, despite the fact that it looked like we would easily defeat the measure, Packwood suggested that he filibuster the proposal. We could not say no to him, so we went along with him, letting him have his day in the spotlight. Indeed, when we suggested that we could get other Senators to join him, he demurred, saying he could do it alone. So, we watched him read the U.S. Constitution with a catheter attached to his leg.
Ultimately, we handily defeated the constitutional amendment and today I have hanging on my wall a copy of that day’s Congressional Record signed by Senator Bob Packwood. It was a truly historic vote and the greatest victory ever experienced by the pro-choice forces on Capitol Hill.
Throughout this time, however, there were always rumblings that Packwood was having affairs with several women. He was indeed an attractive, articulate man who no doubt was approached by numerous aggressive women. In fact, I
remember the more cynical feminists suggesting that he was leading the way on abortion rights merely to get laid. I never had that impression, but it unfortunately was out there. I should add for a fact that one of my best friends confided in me that she had had an affair with Packwood.
Then, in November 1992, the Washington Post ran a story detailing the claims of sexual abuse and assault by ten women, mostly former staff people and lobbyists. In September 1995, he resigned from the U.S. Senate in disgrace. He then disappeared from sight for many years.
In 1998, when I was at the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, we were planning a 25th anniversary party for Roe V Wade in Washington, D.C. and we decided to invite all of the pro-choice “heroes.” My old friend, Susan Hill, suggested that we invite Packwood. I ran it by some others and got very mixed reactions so Susan simply said that she would bring him as her date. Personally, I was thrilled because, despite his private behavior, he was our champion for many years.
He came that night to the Mayflower Hotel, handsomely clad in his tuxedo. When I ran into him in the hallway outside the ballroom, he appeared very nervous, it being the first time in many years that he would be with his former friends and colleagues. He thanked me profusely for “inviting” him and I actually escorted him into the room. Much to my delight, he was immediately surrounded by well wishers, old friends and the generally curious. He was back in his element.
I do recall, however, that three or four female clinic owners were so offended that Packwood was there that walked out of the party in disgust. That, of course, was their decision but I personally felt like it was a bit of an overreaction. Still, it was their right although they missed one hell of a party.
In later years, Bob Packwood came back to Capitol Hill where he made some serious bucks as a lobbyist for numerous corporate interests. I haven’t seen him for years.
What Packwood did totally sucked, there was no excuse for his personal conduct. On the other hand, he was the only one there when we needed a champion. I wish him well.



March 18, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Mary in #18– so-called “pro-lifers” are known for insisting women do what they won’t themselves do to wit, spending 567.4 million seconds being responsibile for an unwanted human life. Obviously, working in a hospital, you would have been paid to perform some of those good works, but nobody pays the mother to raise the child you insist she have. So, I’m always puzzled by what sort of sacrifice people who call themselves “pro-life” perform that comes anywhere near what they demand of other women?
Since I spent from 1983 to 2010 donating 8% of my gross annual income and 600 hours per year of unpaid one-on-one work with children I neither asked to be born nor wanted to raise, I feel it is a workable standard by which to judge people who claim to be “pro-life.” Sadly, very, very few make the cut. And I wonder why that is. Is it because they use so much of their energy to focus on abortion that they have little left over? Is it because demographically they’re at the short end of the America socio-economic funnel?
So, what sacrifice have you made as a self-identified “pro-lifer” that matches anything you demand of other women? Or is it just further confirmation of the existence of aborticentrism?
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March 18, 2011 at 8:52 pm
So helping women who are facing a crisis pregnancy and after they have had their babies isn’t helping these women?
An unwanted life? What about unwanted spouses? Unwanted old people? Lots of unwanted lives on this planet, what do you suggest we do about them? Is your life worthless because someone doesnt’ want you?
I wasn’t paid to perform any of the services to single mothers that I mentioned.
I mentioned the hospital in reference to tubal pregnancies.
I don’t “force” women to do anything. How can I? I offer my time and assistance to women facing crisis pregnancies and their children.
BTW, why after 38 years of legal abortion are there any unwanted children if abortion is the solution to this problem?
If these were children who you neither asked to be born nor asked to raise, what about adoption?
Also, if parents decide a year or two after the child is born that they no longer love or want the child, then what?
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March 19, 2011 at 7:42 am
Most pro lifers I know don’t do any thing except harass women and doctors.
They don’t help any children at all.
I don’t know a single pro lifer that has adopted a child yet they talk on and on about how people should choose adoption.
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March 20, 2011 at 7:12 am
Mary, every time you send a dollar to the National Conference of Catholic Bishops’ National Right to Life Committee, you are compelling some woman somewhere to bear a child neither you nor the good bishops want to raise.
Adoption is an not an option for hundreds of thousands of kids in this country who have such grave physical and developmental defects nobody wants them the way God made them, nor is there a market for more than the 160,000 that are adopted.
And there are millions of children who a year or two after they are born the parents have stopped loving and wanting.
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March 18, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Are you so certain you were a child someone wanted to be born and raise?
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March 19, 2011 at 2:52 am
I was one of eleven. If I’d been aborted, it wouldn’t have bothered me– and it might have freed up some of my parents’ time and energy to better nurture my would-have-been sibs.
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March 18, 2011 at 9:17 pm
I also think we have gotten away from the whole point of this thread. How do you feel about the fact that feminists would have no issue with you being sexually abused or assaulted by a politician so long as he supports abortion?
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March 19, 2011 at 2:51 am
Mary, I am interested in understanding why people who call themselves “pro-life” only care for human life as much as they want to, not as much as a child needs care. Children who are not well cared for grow up far, far more likely than not to be inhuman– witness the Romanian orphans, our violent offender population, Ted Bundy, etc.
So I am curious as to whether anything in your experience of helping out mothers incidentally matches the sacrifice of time, energy, personal needs and personal goals that a so-called “pro-lifer” seeks to impose on a woman– or a man, for that matter. Why do they do so much less than they expect others to do?
The gap between what so-called “pro-llfers” say about their care for human life and what they actually do (you are far above average in your actual care for it, in my opinion, which doesn’t say much for the rest of them) indicates to an observer that there is something else going on: aborticentrism, a focus on abortion so great as to preclude actual care for human life. It’s why a local Catholic Church used every penny of its church’s Youth Activities fund to buy a tombstone to promote anti-abortionism: They did something to feel better rather than to provide their kids beneficial activities.
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March 19, 2011 at 8:35 am
Lisa 7:54am
I have no issue with contraception other than the serious long term effects hormones may have on a woman’s body, over which there is some controversy.
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March 19, 2011 at 5:01 pm
So you are OK with killing in gigantic magnitudes the fertilized unborn baby?
Many Pro Lifers disagree with you.
I still don’t know what your real position is. Could you clarify?
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March 19, 2011 at 8:41 am
Dr.Abruzzo?
Are you really a doctor? I have to ask since neither of your posts sound too medically knowledgable.
Of course a molar, like a tubal pregnancy is a non-viable fetus and a life threatening situation.
Be treated “expectantly”? This means what?
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March 19, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Mary,
If you do not know what expectant management is, then clearly you are the one who has a loss of expert knowledge on the items you discuss.
Certainly you should be the last critiquing others on their fund of knowledge.
Any day you want to compare knowledge, please feel comfortable facing that challenge and revealing your utter lack of any knowledge that is worthwhile.
Perhaps you should read up before you make your wild opinions?
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March 19, 2011 at 8:49 am
“I was one of eleven”
Well then its likely you were unplanned and unwanted. You wouldn’t know the difference if you had been aborted? Well, you wouldn’t know the difference if a sniper shot you dead 5 minutes from now either. Do you not value your life and want to live? Is your life totally worthless and not worth living because you may have been unwanted by someone?
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March 19, 2011 at 11:25 am
YOu don’t really care what children face, do you? It seems to be all about making other women live up to your expectations of pregnancy and motherhood, rather than empowering them to care for the children they want to bear. Don’t you know what people are capable of inflicting on others when they wish they’d never been born? What have you done to help the next Ted Bundy escape his likely fate? I suggest you go to the aborticentrism site and check out the stories of the Abortion Store and the Baby Store, and then get back to me.
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March 19, 2011 at 8:59 am
Susan,
I’m agnostic and personally have no use for Gingrich.
Speaking of violence, Packwood has been accused by 10 women of sexual abuse and assault. This isn’t violence? How do you feel about Packwood being honored and the above writer having no issue with his history of violence against women?
Great to know feminists will always have your back, right?
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March 19, 2011 at 11:31 am
What do you think about pro life violence against women, doctors, and so on?
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March 19, 2011 at 11:37 am
Politics makes for strange bedfellows. Literally, sometimes.
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March 19, 2011 at 11:56 am
That was funny.
Why are the pro lifers never able to make a coherent point. It is amazing.
That Stanek moron is a perfect example.
She can’t even answer a question.
She is an authority on nothing as far as I can tell.
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March 19, 2011 at 9:27 am
Post 25,
I am no exception in what I do. Over 3,000 crisis pregnancy centers exist across the country to provide emergency care, support, and whatever assistance a woman facing a crisis pregancy needs. There’s the PL Christian Murphy family that has adopted 26 special needs children. I know any number of PL women in mentoring programs, etc.
We don’t walk around with signs on our backs.
I know a PL doctor who, along with his wife, provides medical foster care.
Much of our involvement with these women is long term. I have mentored one young mother who’s daughter is now in her teens. It was a rough road but mother and daughter are doing fine.
BTW, are you involved in any such programs?
You mention longterm but again, there are too many factors.
The child born into a loving family may wind up in a catastrophic situation, down the line. Maybe a parent becomes sick, addicted, or decides raising children is not what they want after all. Then what? Life promises no one anything.
Unwamted children born into undesirable circumstances may grow to be happy well adjusted adults.
How often have you wondered how such a well adjusted person came from such an awful family situation, and visa versa?
We recently had a random murder near us, turned out to be a thrill kill. The killer?
No, not the child of criminals or drug addicts. Not an unwanted foster child.
The killer was a high school honor student, eagle scout, star athlete with a college scholarship. Every parents’ fantasy. He also came from a good home with two loving parents. Also sounds like he was on the road to becoming a serial killer.
Life promises nothing and predicting how children will turn out is impossible.
We try to help on a one to one basis, which includes education and helping the young women get on their feet and stay there.
BTW, wouldn’t it be great if more men would take responsiblity for the children they produce?
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March 19, 2011 at 11:32 am
Yeah, isn’t it great how if you compel a birth, you get the credit, but if the kid turns out to be no damned good, it was all part of God’s inscrutable plan. It’s part of the win-win scenario so-called “pro-lifers” have to construct for themselves– don’t pay attention to what even one child needs for 18 years, just get that next fetus to the delivery room and call yourself a hero. You are in “cruise control” mode when it comes to sacrificing for human life– just doing as much as you want to, when you want to, which is nice, but it’s not truly pro-life, just the therapy mode of a dysfunctional self-help program.
I’m sorry, but until you take on the care of the child you don’t want to raise, your efforts serving self rather than others.
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March 19, 2011 at 11:42 am
The reputation of the CPC’s indicates they are staffed by enthusiastic but unskilled personnel who are there to promote their point of view rather than meet the patients’ needs. If you want good OB care, and especially if you want good GYN diagnostics, you don’t go to them. The adoption rate of so-called “pro-lifers” is no greater than that of the general population.
Unfortunately, the mere existence of just one adoptive scpl gives everybody else in the movement a reason to say, “I don’t adopt, but others do.” Anecdote is the so-called ‘pro-lifer’s’ first line of defense against having to prove his own commitment to real human life.
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March 19, 2011 at 12:00 pm
You wrote a lot.
The first point about CPC mills.
After the massive exposure of the lies and deceit that occur at these CPC mills, I am surprised anyone would go to one of them as they are not objective.
What % of the CPC mills are really bad?
Like the ones they show on TV lying to pregnant women in need of help do think? 50%?
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March 19, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Ben,
excellent point.
The proLifers always have trouble defending their CPC mills.
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March 19, 2011 at 9:38 am
Henry #22,
I don’t personally know a ballet dancer so is that proof they don’t exist?
I pointed out examples in my #30 post of PL people who do provide foster and adoptive care. Also, mother’s and infant’s homes in our community receive PL support and volunteers. Thanks to PL people, a law was passed in our state to enable minor pregnant girls who fear abuse to legally seek shelter in one of these homes if necessary to protect her safetly.
We continue to see any number of young women who are able to live independently because of our help and who know they can return to us for any assistance or support they may need.
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March 19, 2011 at 11:34 am
You missed the point in my view of that statement Mary.
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March 19, 2011 at 9:49 am
Karl #19
Being my husband is in chronic poor health adoption has not been an option so I choose instead to offer what services and support I can, as pointed out in the above mentioned posts.
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March 19, 2011 at 11:44 am
Mary, would you give me your household pet?
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March 24, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Don’t answer this one, Mary! You’ll be engulfed. Here’s where you’ll end up: why would you try to stop someone from killing someone else if you won’t give her your dog. I’m not kidding.
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March 19, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Mary,
you know you could help a little more.
The opportunity cost of the time you waste being a prolifer could be used to save children.
Every dime you spend on anything more than a basic necessity could help feed a starving child.
Yet you choose not to.
So sad.
I appreciate your input however misinformed it might be.
What credentials do you have?
From what I have read you criticize doctors, yet know very little in comparison to what they know. How can anyone rely on a word of what you say when you critisize people who are obviously so much more knowledgable and have years more of experience than you do.
You seem to know very little for someone with such strong opinions . . .
Typical Pro Lifer . . .
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March 19, 2011 at 7:58 pm
How do you know exactly what I choose to do? How do you know where my donations go?
Oh a word of caution Sabdra, years in the medical field, probably longer than most doctors, has taught me that it is wise to question them and use your own judgment and experience.
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March 19, 2011 at 11:37 am
#31 Susan,
So please clarify exactly what your point was.
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March 19, 2011 at 11:57 am
#30
How do I “compel” any birth?
I say that there are so many circumstances in life that change that we have no way of predicting much of anything.
The planned and wanted pregnancy may become the unloved and unwanted child. The “perfect” family and circumstances may change completely.
The unplanned and unwanted pregnancy may become a loved and wanted child. The less than desirable pregnancy may result in a love and wanted child raised in good circumstances.
So you see, its not the simplistic argument of taking on the care of unwanted child one doesn’t want to raise. Maybe the circumstances for that mother and child will change radically. What happens if a parent decides they no longer want to raise a pre-teen child? Sadly our streets are full of such children. Oh, and abortion has been legal for 38 years. How can this be possible?
Let me ask you this? Do you oppose domestic violence? Let’s assume you do. Have you turned your home into a licensed domestic violence shelter? If not, then you really can’t condemn domestic violence, can you?
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March 19, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Utterly clueless.
A person with so little knowledge should not be making bold dogmatic statements.
And that Stanek is another one! She is too dumb to even try and answer the questions Mary has tried to, even though Mary has no real knowledge.
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March 20, 2011 at 7:20 am
Andrea, I wouldn’t call Mary “utterly clueless.” She obviously does a lot of well-meaning work; she is by her own admission an agnostic, but she works in a setting full of zealous and well-meaning but inept Christians, a Poisonwood Bible setting if I ever heard of one. You have to give her some slack.
It’s important to understand why she can’t bridge the gap between fighting for the fetus and caring for the child. At the same time, she is not driven to be monomaniacal: she allows for abortion when the woman’s health is at risk.
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March 19, 2011 at 11:59 am
#32
Absolutely, we tried to unload her a few years ago and then she ran away. I wish I knew you wanted her.
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March 19, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Post 30
The so-called reputation of CPCs isn’t accurate and has been totally skewed by less than unbiased people such as yourself.
We have OB/GYNS, social workers, and counsellors who volunteer their services.
I cannot force a woman to enter a CPC or stay if she so chooses not to.
We have provided emergency clothing, shelter, medical help, personal support(I had many calls and shared many tears with clients), clothing, baby supplies, etc.
Isn’t this what you folks argue we should be doing?
BTW, the local abortionists contribute nothing to help us out, nor do they offer free medical services as some of our PL doctors do.
Oh and google “Kermit Gosnell”. Whatever you want to say about CPCs we never hacked women up.
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March 19, 2011 at 4:07 pm
You are so wildly misinformed it is not worth the bother of discussing with you.
Why are so many prolifers like that?
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March 19, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Mary,
You are wrong again.
The evils of the CPC mills has been well documented.
I’m guessing you are probably one of them as well and you are not smart enough to even know.
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March 19, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Ben 12PM
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
The ones on TV? Please.
Ben, have you ever been in a CPC? Have you ever served in one?
We lie to women how? Women can take their own pregnancy tests so they don’t need us to tell them if they’re pregnant or not.
Are women not capable of getting up and walking out if they decide the CPC doesn’t meet their needs? Its happened to me several times. Short of using a lethal weapon there isn’t much I can do.
We also serve women after the birth of their children and they seek us out for assistance, we don’t drag them in off the street.
BTW Ben did you check out Kermit?
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March 19, 2011 at 4:06 pm
The lies of the CPC mills have been well documented.
Read your literature, psychology journals, newspaper articles, documentaries, if you are able. You really should not be commenting unless you have some idea what you are talking about!
I personally did do an study for school, and saw, recorded, and documented the horrors of several dozen consecutive CPC mills. They were ghastly!
I suspect there are some out there that are not terrible, but I could not find any, any I had a very respectable sample size. They are full of misinformation, just as you are Mary.
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March 19, 2011 at 12:20 pm
#29 Susan,
I condemn any such violence. How do you feel about feminists turning a blind eye to the sexual abuse and assault of women by such politicians as Packwood and Clinton?
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March 19, 2011 at 4:00 pm
You do?
Do you recognize the violence that protesters cause against women on a daily basis, thousands of times every day across the nation, or do you ignore it or agree with it?
Are you pro choice or anti abortion?
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March 19, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Are you OK with
Abortion.ws/dunkle-com/
is that OK in your opinion?
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March 19, 2011 at 12:30 pm
#28
I don’t care what children face? Do you?
Tell me about the childcare and mentoring services you have offered.
Actually the work I have been involved in has enpowered many women to live independently and raise their children.
Of course I know abuse exists. Talk to women who reside in domestic shelters, talk to abused and helpless elderly people. Yes I know all too well what people can do to those they don’t love or want, and its not just children.
Would we solve the problem of wife abuse by killing engaged women? Just as we will not solve the problem of child abuse and neglect by killing the unborn.
Hasn’t 38 years of legal abortion proven this as yet?
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March 20, 2011 at 7:28 am
Single father, 14 years; public school classroom volunteer, 4 years; mentor/Big Brother, 20 years; parent-child center Parent Nurturing Program volunteer group leader, 5 years; court diversion hearing board member, 30+ years. From 1988 to 2010, spent an average of 600 hours and 8% of gross annual income in helping children directly when their parents could not or would not. I didn’t count on my power to persuade parents to do what I thought should or could be done; I did it myself.
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March 19, 2011 at 12:34 pm
#29
“Politics makes for strange bedfellows”
Do you mean feminists willing to climb in bed with rapists?
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March 19, 2011 at 3:58 pm
I was thinking about Presidents starting preemptive wars that cost our society trillions of $$’s and are not held accountable for the hundreds of thousands of lives damaged by their actions.
I was thinking about harmful conservatives like the Jill S above that mouths off without showing she knows anything about anything, sort of like what you are doing Mary.
What about Christian Priest Pedophiles, are you OK with them too?
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