Okay, boys and girls. Let’s talk about sex.
Now that I have your attention.
So, as we know, there are a whole bunch of people out there who would prefer to make abortion illegal in this country. They would like to go back to the old days when far too many women were being transported to the hospital emergency rooms because of a self-induced abortion or one performed by a shady back-alley “abortionist.” How they can place more value on the “life” of that fetus over a woman’s health is beyond me, but I respect thoughtful anti-abortion advocates and support their right to try to make abortion illegal again through the judicial or legislative process. Knock yourself out.
But here’s what I don’t get. There are also millions and millions of anti-abortion advocates who do not support birth control. I guess they are just taking their marching orders from the Pope who, theoretically, never has sex. So, these people are telling others that if they are going to have sex with their partner, then it has to be with the intention of producing a child. Forget the condoms or the birth control pills. That is VERBOTEN.
Now, my question is this – how often are these anti-abortion, anti-birth control wackos having sex?
Let’s assume that Mary and John have been married for 10 years and, being good Catholics, they have sex only once a month. Now, of course, they are not going to conceive every time they have sex. That’s particularly true if they do not have intercourse and really go out on a limb by doing something else (which, I suspect, is probably enough to send you straight to hell). But let’s say they have intercourse 7 times in a year. So, what I’m starting to add up in my head is that they will have one child a year. Now, I know this is not scientific but my point is at that rate – if everyone in the country suddenly because devout Catholics – we would beat the crap out of China in the population race, marking probably the only time we would beat China in anything.
I think what this all comes down to is anti-abortion folks who don’t support birth control probably don’t have much sex. And that shouldn’t be too surprising. I mean, have you been to an anti-abortion rally lately? Have you looked at the crusty old men and the misshapen women who have suffered through ten pregnancies? And talk about getting in the mood. Can you imagine standing outside of a clinic for hours, screaming at women, fantasizing over the baby they think they’ve saved, then going home to have some furious post-demonstration sex? I think not. And that’s why it is easy for them to say “no” to artificial birth control because they are doing it naturally by not having sex!
The point that I want to make, of course, is that anti-abortion folks need to get real. If you really want to stop abortion, it ain’t gonna happen by you standing outside a clinic with a bullhorn shouting “Don’t kill me, Mommy! Don’t kill me!” The way you will stop an abortion is by preventing the conception of the child in the first place. That’s why I will always say that abortion clinics, because they counsel women on birth control and offer free samples, do more to stop abortion than anyone.
And the other thing I want to say to my friends in that movement is: have some fun. I am now 61 years old and my spouse is 57. We still have sex several times a week in all kinds of places and all kinds of positions with all kinds of toys. Saturday morning is our favorite time – the time that most demonstrators are out at a clinic.
Life is too short, folks. Join the party before it is too late.



April 25, 2011 at 10:06 am
No comment yet. I have to prepare this one.
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April 25, 2011 at 11:15 am
Come on John, can’t wait to hear what you have to say, Did Pat hit the nail right on the head when he described the antis? Is that how you look like? LOL.
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April 29, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Pat,
I love reading your posts.
This one is genius level.
Txs for the great read.
LM
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April 25, 2011 at 11:13 am
This one is hilarious! I couldn’t help but picture those people you described, I have not seen any of the demonstrations live but I imagine you are right about them but then again isn’t that how people with no life of their own look like anyways?
The antis are just trying to hold on to something that is not realist anymore, we do not leave in a world where religion has the last word any longer, those days are over, we came too far for that type of behavior, we got smarter. We are having sex out of wedlock everyday and enjoying it for that matter and the antis are too, no matter how unattractive they are, don’t be fooled.
Women shouldn’t have to obey anyone or have any rules to follow when it comes to their bodies.
Way TMI for me about your personal life in the sac but OKKKKK!
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April 25, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I did have fun with this one, Kalli and, yes, I did ponder whether or not to throw in that stuff about my sex life but what the hell.
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April 25, 2011 at 12:33 pm
I’m going to be at this for a while; I’ll comment piece by piece.
“There are also millions and millions of anti-abortion advocates who also do not support birth control.” You’re zeroing in on believing Catholics here, Pat, although some magnificent prolife Protestants like Randy Terry and Donna Holmam also do not support contraception (which you mistakenly call “birth control”).
But believing Catholics are less than 1% of the every-Sunday, church-going ones; I’m not even talking about the non-o-seldom- church goers. So, you see, there are very few who, like me, do not promote or even accept contraception.
And the acceptance of contraception is the main reason we’re torturing to death over a million young people in the USA alone! Protestants asccepted contraception at the Lambeth Conference around 1930. Catholics accepted it during the ’50s (although the Church never gave in to their demands). Thus, legal child killing in the ’70s. Can any cause and effect be clearer?
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April 25, 2011 at 3:21 pm
so, John, confirm for me if I’m right or wrong. If you do not accept contraception, you couldn’t have had too much sex in your younger day, could you? If you did, you’d have a thousand little critters running around the ole household.
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April 25, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Now, comon Pat, you’re askng me to confess my sins to you? I always try to find someone like a Panamanien who knows little English when I go to confession.
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April 26, 2011 at 8:39 am
its okays, your beliefs will only hold you back in this life sir.
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April 27, 2011 at 6:38 am
Actually…they could be having a lot of sex 9 months of the year then laying “low” for awhile then…well..you get the pic…right?? Then of course the ones that “pay for sex” outside of marriage to “save their spouse” for “perfect little children in a perfect little marriage”…lets see alot of them are (right wing politicans..I think) well they are above us so I guess that does not count…..
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May 1, 2011 at 10:47 am
A good title might have been
“Do Pro-Lifers Have A Life?”
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April 25, 2011 at 3:47 pm
At the grocery store checkout counter a decade ago, there was the Reader’s Digest in the rack with the eye-catching headline, “SEX AFTER FIFTY.” I read it and was rather disheartened to find out that I had been shorted more than forty partners.
Okay, joking aside. Some gloss on the topic: If my parents are anything to go by, so-called pro-lifers have a LOT of sex– but most of it is safe, because the woman’s already pg (8 years and three months in my mother’s case).
Second, given that by and large they are skilled at repressing, they don’t talk about it and they don’t want to have to deal with it, either between themselves or with their kids– which explains why the birth rate is so much higher among them (see Craig Seaton, Altruism and Activism, look at Census data for the red states for religiosity, eoncomics and family size correlations). And that means you’re not going to get any straight answers from them on frequency of copulation, especially since that word is so yucky to begin with.
I do think the digs at their attractiveness were gratuitous, but on the other hand, there’s probably a great video concept there.
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April 25, 2011 at 5:43 pm
[…] Do Pro-Lifers Have Sex? (abortion.ws) […]
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April 26, 2011 at 1:48 pm
And your point is……?
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April 25, 2011 at 6:09 pm
if birth control prevents unwanted pregnancies, then why is it that the majority of women seeking abortions were on some sort of birth control when they got pregnant?
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April 25, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Because there is no perfect birth control…because one must report what a client states about her contraception (and not second guess her) . . . because a woman is not a machine and her body doesn’t always cooperate with BC . . . because the male doesn’t always cooperate . . . because some men have sabotaged the woman’s BC . . . because SH*T happens….
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April 26, 2011 at 5:54 am
If dental hygiene prevents unwanted cavities, then why is it that the majority of people who brush their teeth need fillings?
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April 26, 2011 at 8:47 am
If more people researched and understood a night of alcohol induced slumber with another, could increase risk for unexpected pregnancy, and not all birth controls work with all women.
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April 26, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Rogie, how do you know that the majority were already on birth control when they got pregnant?
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May 2, 2011 at 8:44 am
if they got pregnant on Birth Control then they could have induced substance interference and or fallen into a small percentage.
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April 25, 2011 at 7:15 pm
I wouldn’t want to know if they are having sex. But I can tell you that some of our protesters in Allentown have made enough sexual comments to lead me to suspect that they are sexually frustrated. For example, Don told a young woman client with a revealing cleavage that she looked like she was all set up for breast feeding. Katie used to love to say when the clinic was busy that there must have been a whole lot of F**king going on. She also yells at young men, “You had your fun rolling around in the sheets with her, now take some responsibility.” Her latest filthy comment was to one of the doctors about labial rings. John Dunkle loves to talk about breast cancer. Maggie used to threaten women with their uteruses being ripped up “something awful” while Joyce loved to say, “you can scoop it out honey but you can never get it back.” Gerry told a mother that her daughter’s pregnancy, a result of a rape, was God’s will. Nathaniel wrote in his blog how sex was icky, so I suspect that he had either a bad experience or is deathly afraid of an experience. Some of the really old women love to warn young women about the necessity of abstinence until marriage, of course, ignoring that many of them are lesbians and are sexually active. Homosexuality doesn’t figure very prominently in the public prolife messages.
I also wonder if many of the women protesters are mourning the loss of their own sexuality and fecundity or simply longing for grandchildren.
I know this is a bit tangential to sexual life on the prolife front. Just wanted to add to the conversation. Kate
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April 26, 2011 at 4:36 am
probably stopped the conversation
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May 1, 2011 at 11:06 am
The pro lifers are a bunch of goofballs.
Why is the prevalence of Pedophiles among pro lifers?
Very high.
They are sick.
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April 26, 2011 at 5:44 am
you really need to educate yourself. Besides a ton of other ignorant statements, in the past 2 months 5 women have been brought to emergency room because o f “safe legal abortion”. One in NY, 2 in wisconsin, 1 in Washington and 1 in Florida.
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April 26, 2011 at 6:02 am
Five out of 1.5 million? Sorry, but that’s not statistically signficant.Personally signficant, yes, but meaningless in terms of characterization. Measles is a worse threat than abortion– children are fifteen times more likely than that to suffer lifelong neurological disorders from measles-induced meningitis.
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April 26, 2011 at 1:53 pm
What is your source, masikathy? Prove it
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April 27, 2011 at 6:44 am
masikathy’s source??? I can bet it is from some protester some where…thinking that they know the goings on in a clinic…
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April 26, 2011 at 8:17 am
“I respect thoughtful anti-abortion advocates and support their right to try to make abortion illegal again through the judicial or legislative process. Knock yourselves out.”
I’m going to use this, Pat, if I my. I’ve been arguing that our real war is not between you killers’ helpers and us pro-lifers, it’s between us who think we can make abortion illegal again through the judicial or legislative process and us who don’t; and I think the above comment by the most thoughtful and articulate killers’ helper I’ve ever met should carry some weight.
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April 26, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Knock yourself out, John
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April 26, 2011 at 2:50 pm
So you also think I should avoid the judicial or legislative process. What’s left?
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April 27, 2011 at 4:16 pm
You’re not gonna outlaw it legislatively. Fuhgetaboutit. You’re only hope is the Supreme Court where it is currently 6-3 in favor of Roe. You gotta hope that Obama’s next appointment goes the other way, which has happened before. Then you gotta hope to elect a pro-life President. Meanwhile, you folks can play around with all these silly little requirements (ultrasounds) which have absolutely no impact on the numbers of abortions. If you wanna waste your time on that crap, go for it. We’re laughing all the way…Seriously, John, use the rest of life for a cause where you can actually make a difference!
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April 27, 2011 at 6:17 pm
No, no, I’m going to stay with this. You’d already knocked out the legisloaqtive and judicial method of ending legal child killing. You didn’t have to waste time going after the judicial aspect again. So, anyway, what’s left for us prolifers?
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April 26, 2011 at 8:19 am
Which side am I on? Jury’s still out.
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April 26, 2011 at 8:47 am
You tell us what side you are on.
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April 26, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Told you I would go through this slowly, so today let’s examine this: “I think what this all comes down to is anti-abortion folks who don’t support birth control probably don’t have much sex.”
Remember Big Daddy in “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof” pointing to the bed and saying, “When a marriage goes on the rocks, there’s the rocks”? More than half of our marriages today go on the rocks, don’t they. Think most of those sexless couples are pro-death or pro-life?
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April 27, 2011 at 9:39 am
PAT…….. I WOULD LOVE TO KISS YOU RIGHT NOW….
In the good way of course… Don’t get crazy ok!!!
I have being waiting for this post for sooooooooooo long!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG
I just love it…….. really, this one is far the best one EVER!
Ok, the pro-lifers are so mad and grumpy exactly because they don’t have sex… So all that pressure has to come out some how, and because they can’t use contraception they don’t have SEX so therefore, the scream to people who does have sex… LOL
In my opinion, the reason that pro-lifers are in majority “old” people – (please, don’t take me wrong on this, I don’t mean “old people” in the bad way!!!) – is because the young ones that comes from them, probably have something more useful to do with their lives OR don’t agree with their way of dealing with the subject.
Now I want to say something else besides the post that I think is worth it of sharing.
Yesterday I went to an OB/GYN to have the annual exam done (which I hate to do so) and I used Planned Parenthood.
Let me tell you that the professionalism inside the clinic is impeccable.
The practitioner nurse who did my exam was extremely nice, well informed and an awesome human being.
Of course one of the questions was about how many partners I had in the last year, which I only 1, if anybody care to know! She asked me if WE use any kind of contraception and I told her that condom is the winner because my stomach can’t stand pills very well.
I left the place with 2 prescriptions, one for a mammogram later on this year and another for a ultrasound to find out something else.
I have to say that I was amazed about the place. Clean and nice atmosphere.
I also have to say that I was prepared to find some crazy people in front of it, which of course I was also prepared to tell them that they should know the reason somebody was walking thru those doors and not only think they know everything…
But there was nobody! Oh well… Lucky them, or me… who knows.
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April 27, 2011 at 10:02 am
Sonia, you meet someone for twenty minutes and conclude she’s “an awesome human being.” No wonder you’re pro-death!
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April 27, 2011 at 10:55 am
I know. I caught that one too. How can you know a person in 20 minutes to judge them like that, weird. I got dizzy reading this because she was just blabing away. What was the point of the post? You lost me there Sonia.
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April 27, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Oh… i am so sorry… poor Kalli…
Let’s do this when you find yourself back you let me know ok honey!
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April 27, 2011 at 6:18 pm
What about me! Me!
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April 27, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Sonia, your instincts are sound, and you pay attention to them. Good for you! Not everybody is so lucky.
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April 27, 2011 at 3:55 pm
This particular post is a good example of how the “pro-choicers” can change the abortion debate meme: Instead of fighting defensively against charges of being baby killers, “pro-choicers” can start pointing out the fatal flaws of the so-called “pro-life” movement, e.g.:
*Sexual hangups/repression/hypocrisy
*Focus on the public relations value of the fetus rather than the needs of children
*Woeful lack of knowledge about the necessary steps in proper child development
A deliberately circumscribed knowledge
Ad hominem characteristics (not logically powerful, but emotionally so for some people): old, ugly, venomous, rabid. . .
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April 27, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Oh, gimme a break Charles. You know damn well that I’ve posted a lot of other stuff that includes lots of legitimate arguments in favor of abortion. Geez, I go off on a little tangent somewhere and you pounce. Keep everything in context my friend….Mine is a body of work, not an individual post here and there…
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April 27, 2011 at 4:32 pm
The problem, Pat, is that you really hope for a communication bridge that will change their mind– and it’s not going to happen. You have provided good, solid information about all aspects of abortion and family planning– not not even rogelio has switched.
It’s nothing about your arguments; it’s about reaching out to the uncommitted, the people who will vote for a candidate despite the fact that he’s proud to call himself “pro-life.” these people are the ones who need to realize what’s between Michelle Bachman’s ears, for example
When you can’t reach them with your logic, you have to start thinking about memes. And this particular post does limn one type of meme about the so-called “pro-lifers.” There can be others.
I’m working on a gift Father’s Day piece for you.
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April 28, 2011 at 9:52 am
CG, I have absolutely no illusions that I can change Dunkle’s or Rogie’s mind. None. But remember that are many other people that read this and if I can just make some folks a little more sensitive to the women who have abortions then I’ve done what I want to do. The problem is because all the national groups just are locked into their talking points, the general public tunes them both out. I’m trying to be a voice for those who want to know more, who are a little more open…
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April 28, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Well, I don’t get where the inference of my ‘pouncing” comes from, then, but that’s water under the dam. Carry on!
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May 1, 2011 at 11:27 am
Pat,
I have been reading your comments for a while.
You make so much sense.
I used to consider myself a pro lifer, but now I realize how poor ProLifers discussions are on the topic of abortion, and I have learned so much from this site – I am definitely pro Choice now.
Thank you.
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May 2, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Are you serious, Christine? Have you really changed your mind?
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April 27, 2011 at 4:13 pm
FYI – I stopped caring fir what people have to say about me when i was 17 and a single mom.
John, first of all, wasn’t only 20 minutes.
2nd – Some people have this empathy kind of thing that you just respect.
3rd – The conversation i had with her was a nice conversation, that’s maybe why i did like her, not because i am pro death – which by the way i am not, and if you were not so self centered you would know by now… but, like Pat said on his post, what can we do about people who sees having sex a sin… oh well!
Oh, one other thing before i forget, stop pretending to be someone else just to get someone to agree with you ok hun…
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April 27, 2011 at 4:25 pm
I dont know about you but when I meet a person behind the McDonald’s counter and they smile and talk so I can understand them and are polite, I can size them up pretty quickly. Versus most of the kids these days who dont look you in the eye, who give you a dishrag handshake, who mumble or just stare at their cell phone…..But maybe I can do that cause I’m PRO DEATH!!!! KILL, KILL, KILL!!!! HA, HA, HA, HA…..(cue the Darth Vadar music)…..
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April 27, 2011 at 6:27 pm
“like Pat said on his post, what can we do about people who sees having sex a sin… oh well!”
Sonia, people who talk like this, who think “having sex” is fine and dismissing the Church’s teaching that it is actually horrible outside of certain parameters, are pro-death. I’ve never even known of one otherwise!
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April 27, 2011 at 6:28 pm
“I dont know about you but when I meet a person behind the McDonald’s counter and they smile and talk so I can understand them and are polite, I can size them up pretty quickly.” Sure, we all think we can, but 75% of the time we’re wrong.
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April 27, 2011 at 9:04 pm
So, Dr. Dunkle, is your statistic that “we think we can size up people but we’re wrong 75% of the time” an accurate statistic that you can cite with 100% reliability and scholarly evidence? Or is this stat a marginal note in your god-deluded imaginarium?
You have gone on record (as above) saying “I’m going to be at this for a while. I’ll comment piece by piece.”
So, I’ll go on record and say this: Tell all of the readers on this blog, what you can say with 100% reliabilty, Dr. Dunkle. Tell us what you KNOW with 100% reliabilty.
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April 28, 2011 at 4:00 am
Sure, I know there are some attractive and forceful women at the AWC, like you, Sharon, and Jen. 100%
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April 28, 2011 at 8:47 am
John,
I don’t know if you have heard of this person or not but I am sure you have, Dr. Kevorkian. I was watching a documentary about his life and I could not help but think of you. I did some research so I know you are an older man and you know how that age stuff goes, your body is not the same anymore and when you realize death is knocking on your door(don’t mean to be cruel, that is just life I am sure you are aware). If for some reason death does not come to you quickly and just “decides” to linger for awhile making you and your close ones suffer would you ever opt for an assisted suicide? Do you think you have the right to decide when your life should end, so you can end your suffering and the suffering of others? I have more questions but for now I will wait for your answer.
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April 28, 2011 at 9:55 am
hmmmmm, good question!
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April 28, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Kalli, approaching death used to bother me a lot, but no more. I just don’t think much about it, and when I do, I decide I probably won’t die.
About suicide, I believe my life is God’s, not mine, and he can do what he wqants with it. (I can stand anything but pain, though; in that case I might opt out. Who knows?)
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April 28, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Well, I appreciate your honesty. You said you might opt out, meaning that you would CHOOSE how to end your life, kill yourself by choosing death. If you can make that choice for yourself why do you judge the women that opts not to carry a child she does not want. The truth is we(human beings) will do whatever is necessary to achieve what we want, whatever makes us comfortable. If you choose to opt out just because you can stand the pain you should think that is Ok for a women to opt out of a pregnancy because she might no be prepared for it.
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April 28, 2011 at 9:12 pm
If I were on the verge of suicide, Sophia, I pray that someone would prevent me from killing myself.
And I don’t judge the woman. That’s God’s job. All I try to do is save the baby.
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April 28, 2011 at 9:13 pm
I mean Kalli.
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May 1, 2011 at 11:32 am
Who is this idiot Dunkle?
Is Dunkle even a real name?
I think the Dunkle posts have to be fake.
No one could be that dumb.
Whoever is running this please tell the truth about this avatar Dunkle.
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May 1, 2011 at 11:51 am
Hey Jared! Didn’t I tell you a long time ago to read and learn, but to shut-up? Did you forget?
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May 1, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Perfect example of Dunkle being a foolish insect brain.
No wonder he will accomplish nothing of importance in his short pathetic existence.
Burns an American flag to celebrate a murderer.
I wonder if he really is friends with Satan, or part of the Dark Lord.
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May 2, 2011 at 4:40 am
Kerri, I would not have to face your withering comments if you were obedient. You are now to join Jared!
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May 3, 2011 at 5:32 am
This Dunkle is a real bad person.
Why does he think he has power to stop people from expressing themselves when he has No power at all?
He is just a murderer worshipping shriveled grape of an old man with delusions of power and persuasive or witty commentary.
I sort of feel sorry for the old fart.
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May 3, 2011 at 5:48 am
Celeste, you will understand him and his ilk better if you visit the Site That Dares Not Speak Its Name. You’ll find yourself in much better spirits dealing with him.
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April 30, 2011 at 3:43 pm
There you go “Dunkle” and your wrong about this issue and the women that go in the clinics…you think you know something about them but you don’t know squat!!!
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May 1, 2011 at 7:41 pm
I can see through you, LDM, and you ain’t squat!
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May 1, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Lorraine is correct again.
Has Dunkle made a single comment that he has not lost the discussion point and been outwitted?
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April 28, 2011 at 9:59 am
John, with all due respect around your age. I was raised knowing we got to respect the elderly. Allow me to say this…
PLEASE DON’T HOLD THAT AGAINST ME OK!!!
I think you are very smart, intelligent and bright. If you were to put all this energy that you have inside of you to a good cause you would make a huge difference.
I know you will say you do… but you don’t really!
Why instead getting a bullhorn, going in front of a clinic, screaming your lungs off, instead you go to the sunday class of your church (if they still have that now in days) and talk openly with kids/teens about the consequences of having sex too ealry, pregnancy, STD’s and so on…
Today kids/teen are so smart, they start asking about the subject so prematurely that is unbelievable.
Can you imagine the difference you would make?
Instead criticizing a person for the action she is about to take it, you would prevent way in advance… Think about it! All this anger inside of you might have a reason that only you are to know. But if you use this believe of yours differently you might get much more back…
Have a wonderful day!
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April 28, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Sonia, here’s something from one of my recent newsletters. Read it and comment, please:
The Way We Are
By John Dunkle
Among the horrible consequences of war, the worst is the fact that the bravest, smartest, and most magnanimous young men get killed. Among Catholics these are the ones who would have become priests. The gap is filled by individuals of lesser quality.
Because of World War II, that was the condition when I grew up. Although my older brother heard the talk on chastity when he entered the seventh grade, it was no longer offered when I got there three years later (1947). When I was considering becoming a priest myself, my friend, a seminarian, told me not to worry about masturbation. Not worry about masturbation? And I had thought that chastity was the Catholic way! That was also about the time John Rock invented the birth control pill. The moral theologian at my friend’s seminary announced to his class, “Gentlemen, I think we have discovered the solution to the problem of Catholic sexuality.” The problem of Catholic sexuality? I had thought that “problem” was a gift, one of the ways we can imitate Christ, and here was this teacher of priests affirming a practice that the anti-Catholic George Bernard Shaw had called “mutual masturbation”!
Since then I’ve heard nothing. Sunday Masses still draw customers, everybody files up to receive the Eucharist, nobody lines up to go to confession, and the average number of children born to a Catholic couple is 2.3, about the same as to a pagan couple.
“The wages of sin is death,” says God, and sin did not disappear just because it was not mentioned. And so death followed. Nearly twenty years after the words masturbation and contraception disappeared from the Catholic lexicon, as midnight follows the setting sun, the word abortion entered. We made it legal to kill the innocent and to kill them in unprecedented numbers and in the worst possible way – by torture.
All this leads up to a conversation I had a few weeks ago. A gentleman my age who leads his parish’s pre-cana program was complaining about the answers they receive to one of the questions on the survey they administer to all new couples: Are you cohabiting at the present time?
“Seventy-three percent of them say yes,” he says.
“Kick ‘em out,” I bluster.
“Can’t do that. The priests don’t do anything.”
“Yea, but it would cost them. The bishop would come down hard on them when he got the protests. But not on you – you don’t have anything to lose.”
He mumbles a response which I don’t catch, and I leave smug in my one-upmanship.
I have a son who’s a Jesuit priest. I tell him this story and he says, “You do it. Ask your pastor for permission to talk to couples preparing for marriage, and then give them the message.”
“Are you kidding,” I say, “I could never do that.”
So it goes.
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April 28, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Teechur, teechur!! Johnnie did a dirty!!! He koppied frum hiz blahg en poasted it all heer!!!
Cheeter, cheeter!!
Enough of the snark.
What I would really like to point out is that the material above was produced by a man who cannot tell me either: A) What causes a child to be feral or B) How God would judge me if I were to abandon a child of any age who I insisted be born.
To the general readership here I ask, if he can be so obviously mentally competent, what is keeping him from answering two fairly easy questions?
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April 28, 2011 at 8:50 pm
I could hardly hear me! Need a bigger megaphone.
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April 28, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Woops, that response belongs below. Chuck caught me here though. I do have this excuse: Sonia wants me to teach in church. I immediately thought of this story from my newsletter.
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February 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm
the British government cocneudld their investigation of Litvinenko92s murder this spring, and determined that his death was the result of state-sponsored terrorismAndrei Lugovoi not Russia was charged with murder. He has not been convicted. Of course, he is unlikely to be tried, so we probably won’t ever know a fair outcome. The British press tried and convicted him long before even the investigation was complete.But what does the Litvinenko murder or even Putin have to do with Mosnews closing? It is extremely unlikely that there is even a tiny connection. That is like that the death of a journalist who was investigating local illegal street races might have something to do with the Kremlin.Although, the link in your signature shows you too be quite the conspiracy buff, so I am not sure that reasoning, logic, or other probable explanations would be useful to you.
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April 29, 2011 at 5:56 am
And he still can’t provide an answer about how children turn out to be feral (he refuses to look at the literature), and he still won’t provide an answer as to how God would judge me if I abandoned a child of any age whom I insisted be born.
Both of these issues have a lot to do with the cognitive dissonance underlying the attitude of so-called “pro-lifers.”
He knows it, and he refuses to face the topic.
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May 1, 2011 at 5:15 pm
He’s an idiot.
What do you expect?
He will have a heart attack soon,
Or get Cancer,
And die.
He wasted his life being an idiot, accomplishing nothing, and he will die of Natural Causes that way.
Then he will burn in he’ll for eternity for his unforgivable sins.
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May 1, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Jared, you will be a lot more disposed to treating him kindly if you visit the Site That Dares Not Speak Its Name and learn why he proclaims to care for human life, but does not and cannot.
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May 1, 2011 at 10:13 pm
He is not mentally competent as far as I can tell by his writing.
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April 29, 2011 at 6:22 am
Regarding the copy and paste from the other blog:
Boy, do recovering Catholics see multiple layers of whackiness in the theology of a patriarchal religion.
It starts with the macho romantic image of the “bravest, smartest and most magnanimous” dying in war. Not true (I’m a vet). The smartest recognize a lie when they see it and don’t join. If they join anyway, they get shunted off into jobs that use their intelligence in staff work rather than feeding their bodies into the meat grinder. The most magnanimous are also the most credulous,since they are willing to sacrifice for a series of lies. And the bravest are the ones who in a desperate situation are driven by their need to prove to their buddies that they are part of the team, a trait instilled in them in boot camp.Pat Tillman was handsome, brave and maganimous, but he fell for a lie and died for stupidity.
End of part one.
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April 29, 2011 at 8:53 am
Chuck, baa bee, I said bravest, smartest, and most magnanimous, not most cowardly, most selfishly stupid, and most hateful!
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April 30, 2011 at 9:29 am
You wrote that for rhetorical effect. If you’d joined the military but been too old to fall for the successful deconstruction and reconstruction of your mindset, you would have clearly seen what it is.
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April 30, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Oops,I must have been on the martinis again. That’s not Chuck, that’s Kate. And Kate, I’m talking about legitimate wars, not those bully-boy attacks we’ve been doing since Vietnam.
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April 30, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Damn, I must be on the martinis now. It is Chuck!
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May 1, 2011 at 10:47 am
John, i don’t want you to teach in church!
I want you, if i may say “i want” – you to use the power of words you have for a more useful way.
Maybe you can convince a woman not to have an abortion, but on my way of seeing this is that after you convince someone of anything you become responsible for the out coming of that.
So, instead going to clinics to scream “don’t kill me mommy” – go to schools, ask permission, and teach the teens how to prevent! Teach the teens what are the consequences of having sex so early… you know what i am talking about it. I know you do!
What i observe here in US is that parents raise their kids to be out of the house by the age of 16… How come? They are just starting to learn how to survive in this world! This teens needs guidance. They need to understand that yes, sex is there, but it is also, Aids, STD’s and pregnancy… If you can not talk in front of people to teach them, coach somebody who can…
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May 1, 2011 at 11:55 am
Thanks for the boost, Sonia, but I just know you’d be better than I at telling this to kids.
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May 1, 2011 at 5:20 pm
I appreciate everyone exposing Dunkle for the moron that he is.
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May 2, 2011 at 4:33 am
In your case, Jared, no help is needed. You manage to do it all by yourself.
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May 1, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Hey, Sonia, abstinence fails 85% of the time, and I can’t conceive of him teaching kids how to use contraceptives when their self-control fails.
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April 28, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Sonia,
John and his two cronies can’t stop doing what they do every Saturday morning. They’re hopeless and God-less. They invoke God’s or Jesus’ name but they’re anything but Christian. Kate
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April 29, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Those protesters should be arrested for the way they treat women.
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April 30, 2011 at 5:31 am
The mayor of Allentown has gone on record saying that he will not intervene until someone gets hurt. He’s said the same message several times. It will be on a sad day if anyone ever does get hurt in the shuffle of these protesters as they determinedly invade women’s privacy. But for the mayor (and the City Solicitor) it could likely bankrupt them when the lawsuits are filed on behalf of the victims.
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May 1, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Has anybody shown the mayor videos of how the so-called “pro-lifers” get in the face of the women?
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May 1, 2011 at 5:19 pm
The mayor of Allentown is too stupid to recognize a menace and the evil potential of a terrorist worshiper?
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May 1, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Peopple who live in glass houses should never throw stones — sure it’s a clishe, but it fits so!
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May 1, 2011 at 7:46 pm
People who live in glass houses should never throw stones — sure it’s a cliche, but it fits so!
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May 24, 2012 at 6:23 pm
dave, Sorry that you *totally* missed the point of the anaolgy I was reacting to your specific statement about the implanting of fertilized embryos; yes, they may fail to implant on their own, but acting to ensure that failure is different because of *intent*. Sorry if I was unclear. We speak in analogies because we are often accusemd of simply making assrtions. I personally dislike the entire life begins at coneptions’ nuh-un’ uh’huh’ routine, so I use narrative to explain the rationale. More polite, better teaching method, etc. Don’t like statistics’? Please, dave, visit my blog and look around. My number one email for 2 years was dear God, no more statistics, please!’. And as for the slim chance that a life is ended by a blocking of implantation yeah, we know the odds and we still don’t like them. Heck, alar was less likely to cause fatalities than 1 in a million, and it s a poisonous chemical’, right? A fatality rate of .0001% is pretty steep for, say, viagra. I’ll discuss this more, below. Opposition to abortion and to sex education are connected, but not directly. Evangelical Christians oppose what they see as the teaching of depravity, Catholics and some others think this is the job of the family, etc. It is part and parcel of the evangelical/traditional mindset, so its in the same bundle, as it were. uh slippery slope? Opposition to contraception has been an element of the Catholic opposition to abortion since day one, and it has never been a secret. Heck, opposition to contraception goes back centuries and became heated in America in 1930, over 4 decades before Roe. dave, I don’t know who on the pro-life side you are talking to, but they don’t seem very representative. At least to someone on the inside , as it were.
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May 1, 2011 at 10:49 am
I see Katie, unfortunate this people, including John don’t understand the responsibility of their words…
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April 29, 2011 at 9:10 am
Do people here have private conversations, because half of the time I have no idea what they are talking about. One says “stop trying to get attention to yourself by pretending to be someone
‘ else other say “trust your instincts, no one is so lucky”. I better lay off this blog before I go to the loony too.
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April 30, 2011 at 9:56 am
Hope you’ll stick around, Kalli but, yes, some do have private conversations and they carry it on to this page. Not much I can do about it….
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April 30, 2011 at 9:52 am
HEY DO YOU ASS-WIPES WANT TO PAY FOR THE ABORTION, OR DO WANT TO PAY FOR THE KID’S LIFE FROM BIRTH TO JAIL TO THE GRAVE?
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April 30, 2011 at 9:57 am
A little crudely put, GB, but very good point!
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April 30, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Sounds as if GB is making sure we get that choice.
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June 20, 2011 at 4:14 am
Poorly written… Why even bring religion up? Don’t you know by now that religious people are chase outside of marriage? Even children know this.
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June 20, 2011 at 6:19 am
Maris, it has been my experience that our standard of chastity has a lot more to do with repression than holiness. It is one thing to be so focused on infinity, the deity, the cosmos, etc., that one overlooks sexuality, exercising chastity by default. It is quite another to be so focused on controlling one’s sexual urges that one develops all sorts of strategies to deny, thwart, restrict and channel them.
Which strategies of course give us many of the worst excesses of the hyperreligiious right, including Christian fascism and the “family values” Republican Party which seeks to destroy government health care for children and pregnant women and nutrition programs for school children an, presgnanat and postpartum women and infants, among many other things.
In the same way, the so-called “pro-lifer” fear of death is channeled into an often irrational hatred of abortion (forbidding it even to save the life of a fully human person, the mother, for example). Two sides of the same coin.
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June 20, 2011 at 9:28 am
“to save the life of a fully human person, the mother” — no doubt about it, Chuck, you’re getting there. Now the people you are helping to kill are partially human people, not humanoids, etc. You;re still wrong, but you;re getting there.
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