Years ago, I met Doctor Bob Tamis, a physician who perform
ed abortions up to 22 weeks in Phoenix, Arizona. Interestingly, he also had an In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) facility in the same building for couples who were having trouble conceiving a baby. Indeed, as far as I knew, he was the only doctor in the country who performed both seemingly contradictory services.
Like many clinics in those days, his was the subject of some very intense anti-abortion protest activity. On Saturday mornings, as he entered the clinic, it was not unusual for Doctor Tamis to be greeted by 50-100 screaming, placard waiving, anti-abortion protestors who commonly referred to him as “Doctor Death.” But, for years, I often wondered what that scene might have been like for Bruce and Sue, a young couple that was seeing Doctor Tamis to conceive a baby, not abort one…
(Cue the going back in time sequence music)
The protestor, a 71 year old former Marine who has been at the clinic every Saturday for years, watches intently as the young couple parks their car and approaches the clinic. Much like his response years ago when he caught a glimpse of the Viet Cong through his sniper scope, he senses red meat and can’t wait for his ambush. Suddenly, he screams at the top of his lungs: “Don’t Kill Your Baby! For the love of God, don’t kill your baby! In a few months, you could give birth to a beautiful little girl. Don’t you want to watch her grow up? Don’t you want to be grandparents one day?”
Instead of ignoring him, Bruce releases the hand of his wife and rushes towards the Marine.
“You’re an idiot! We are not here for an abortion, you old fool. Not that it is any of your business but we’re coming here for our in vitro fertilization treatments! We’re trying to have a baby!”
The old man looks at him quizzically and asks “You’re fertilizing what vito?”
Bruce can only laugh at the ignorance. Then, another protestor comes over.
“It doesn’t matter, young man. What you are doing is still against God’s law!”
“Wait a second. I thought you folks wanted everyone to have babies, that you wanted us to populate the Earth ten times over?”
“You are a sinner,” screams the protestor. “You both will burn in hell!”
“Huh???” Bruce is trying to figure out what he is missing here.
“Well, young fella, let me read you something from our Church pamphlet. It says her that ‘techniques involving only the married couple, like homologous artificial insemination and fertilization, dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children.’”
Bruce has to hold back the laughter. “Well, that sure clarifies things! But, wait. You’re out here all the time, screaming at women because you want them to keep their babies, right? But my wife and I cannot conceive a child, we want to have a baby and we’re here to start that process. Ain’t that good enough for you?”
“Well, no. It’s God’s law. The Gospel says that spouses who still suffer from infertility should unite themselves with the Lord’s Cross, the source of all spiritual fecundity. They can give expression to their generosity by adopting abandoned children or performing demanding services for others.”
Bruce’s head is ready to implode. He can’t believe he is even part of this surreal conversation.
“And another thing,” says the protestor, “did you know that many of the embryos dies in the transfer process, are stored in freezers or are killed and washed down the sink?”
“Yep, the doctor told us that could happen. And your point is what?”
“Well, you’re killing babies!”
“But, but, don’t you get it? We’re trying to make a baby! Doesn’t that make you happy?”
“Well, no, because you two aren’t doing it the right way…..”
And around and around it goes.
Does the Catholic Church want to tell us how to take a crap also?


May 5, 2011 at 12:07 pm
The Church says you can’t kill innocent people. Why is this so hard to understand?
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May 5, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Does the Church say people cannot try and have babies?
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May 5, 2011 at 2:24 pm
no
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February 8, 2014 at 4:32 am
Those trees are so skillfully done! I think you have hit a gndimloe what golfer would not want beautiful paintings of well designed courses? Love the pop of the reflection of blue in the water, too!
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May 5, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Then why do Christians throughout history torture and kill innocent people?
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May 5, 2011 at 2:25 pm
How ’bout you, Kallie, why do you torture people and engage in other horrible practices?
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May 6, 2011 at 5:57 am
Dunkle,
1) Why do you answer a question with a question?
2) How do you know what I do? Then be so unchristian to say a nasty thing to me like you did?
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May 6, 2011 at 6:18 am
Kallie, I had an extremely fat friend who was extremely good at squash for someone so elephantine. How did he do it? He just stood there, placing shots that his opponent would have to run all over the place to return. Win or lose– and he won often enough– when the game was over, his opponent would be in a lather, and he’d nt even be breathing hard.
If you want to wear out your opponents, let them do all the running around. Treat their seriousness with flippancy; anger them so they wear themselves out and give up. Answer questions with another question. Any statements you make should be as minimal as possible, both to save your energy and not let them find a chink in your armor, the cancer in your cause. And if you can further unbalance them by insulting them, so much the better.
You can better understand him by checking out where he’s coming from on the Site That Dares Not Speak Its Name.
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May 6, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Wow, you are good!
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May 6, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Isn’t he great! Paragraph 2 — who else but
Chuckles. Except that I don’t its last sentence, but it nails me.
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May 7, 2011 at 9:22 am
It helps to remind yourself that that although sometimes he sounds like an ignorant jackass, he’s actually a so-called “pro-lifer.” Understanding why that ilk are the way they are will keep your blood pressure within a normal range.
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May 6, 2011 at 7:07 am
“How do you know what I do?” Because you just did it, Kallie! You said nasty things about Christians. All I’m doing is showing you that anybody can say nasty things about anybody else. Solution? Grow up.
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May 6, 2011 at 6:28 am
And where are these “people”, John?
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May 6, 2011 at 7:10 am
Right now they’re living in wombs.
Ten years from now, when I’m closing in on 90, they’ll also be in old-age homes.
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February 10, 2014 at 6:48 pm
Taking the oviewrev, this post hits the spot
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February 9, 2014 at 7:27 am
1) Mrs stallman is in chgrae of esaftey2)Adress,password, phone number and full name3) Any trusted Adult4)You should not belive everything because the internet is not always Right5)
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May 5, 2011 at 1:55 pm
The problem is the millions of babies that are frozen.
They need to be adopted, not killed!!!!!
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May 5, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Maria is absolutely right.
Women, and couples should not be allowed to use any technology to help themselves to get pregnant.
If God decides pregnancy is your path then you will be pregnant.
Our mighty Lord Jesus, chooses what is best for us!
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May 6, 2011 at 6:29 am
But, Mary Ann, what if I dont believe in your God, your Lord Jesus? Am I just supposed to listen to you? Why can’t you folks just leave us alone??
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May 6, 2011 at 7:39 am
I love it when you talk like this, Pat, because it suggests how close you are to “coming home.” You run this magnificent blog and you want us to leave you alone? Ha!
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May 6, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Touche
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February 9, 2014 at 4:20 pm
The best people in any field never seem to be with us long enoguh. The mediocre among us, however, seem to overstay their welcome.May Ms. Richards rest in peace. May her legacy influence like-minded politicians and community members indefinitely.
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May 5, 2011 at 4:52 pm
“kill” “innocent people” “millions of babies that are frozen” “if God decides…”
As Goebbels practiced it, you repeat often enough a lie that is big enough and people will eventually accept it.
As a prominent atheist put it, “If one person believes a fiction, he’s called a nut. If he’s one of forty million who believe it, he’s called ‘very religious.’ “
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May 5, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Chuck, you’re the only person who believes in abortioianically. So you’re the nut. I’m one of the four hundred million who believe in Jesus. So that must not be a fiction.
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May 6, 2011 at 6:26 am
bin Laden’s followers already are saying he is enjoying the company of 72 virgins. You and 400 million others are not alone.
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May 6, 2011 at 6:30 am
So, John, because you believe in Jesus and you got a lot of folks with you, the others just should do what you say??
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May 6, 2011 at 7:15 am
You know I never thought of that, but, yes yes, you’re right!
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May 6, 2011 at 1:47 pm
And we should listen because you have a lot of people in your religion? That is the criteria??
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May 6, 2011 at 2:55 pm
No, truth is. The Church teaches the truth because the Holy Ghost won’t let her err.
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May 6, 2011 at 5:22 am
I understand the religious ramifications of abortion. I understand also that the right discussion to have with someone that doesn’t share the Theological viewpoint is the discussion that I want to have:
If someone shoots a pregnant woman and both the mother and the baby die, the individual is charged with a double homicide. In these cases, if the woman is shot and the baby dies but the mother lives, the individual is charged with homicide. I don’t see how abortion should be looked at any differently.
That being said, regarding the article, I find it very interesting for a location that performs abortion to have this other practice. It reems of a method to attempt to have less protesters as well as doing something for their practice that oversets the ‘abortion stigma’.
The real question here is why would a couple pick a location to help them create life when that same location destroys life. The depiction of the protesters doesn’t seem very realistic, however, i have seen some very stupid people that protest about things that they do not understand and have no real idea of what they are arguing for.
I do not agree or condone in any way abortion, but that is the way i feel. I do not push my view on others, but the process is broken. If i want to file for bankruptcy, there are requirments and things that have to happen in order for me to proceed. Then a judge has to decide whether or not i should be allowed to get my debt removed. When i was younger, i was with a woman that did not want children even though i did, and she went behind my back and got an abortion. No counseling, noone trying to make sure that this 19 year old woman was making the right choice, no process, just let her come in and helped her destroy a life. The didn’t even consult or need my input. Beyond that, when we first went to planned parenthood to find out that she was pregnant, i was all but shoved out the door so they could talk to her in private about her ‘options’. I’m sorry, but i really hope some day that these doctors, nurses, and woman that do this are tried for murder. They still charge soldiers for war crimes years after that committed genocide and i believe the professionals as well as the patients that use this flawed system are no different. One day, when our society evolves to a point where they can see that the ‘my body my choice’ is the stupidest thing that anyone can ever say. The moment they had sex and got pregnant, the new life wasn’t apart of their body, it was a new body itself.
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May 6, 2011 at 6:01 am
Good doctors routinely perform the major areas of their professional specialty.
This is good. There is nothing paradoxical about that at all.
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May 6, 2011 at 6:23 am
Adam, SHE was in charge in that situation. If you want to be the one in charge of a pregnancy, you have options:
1. Have an embryo implanted in your abdomen. It will do exactly what it has to in order to come to parturition in your body, and you can do all those things a pregnant woman has to do to ensure a healthy pregnancy.
2. Pay a woman to bear your pregnancy in surrogate. There are a lot of women who would do that for a reasonable price.
If you want to control someone else’s pregnancy, you could move to a Muslim country or become a priest (sorry, couldn’t resist the dig; I’m a recovering Catholic).
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May 6, 2011 at 6:33 am
Adam, should the woman then be charged as an accomplice to “murder?” And, I”m sorry but how do you know she didn’t get counseling? Every clinic in the country gives some kind of counseling, if anything to cover their ass!
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May 6, 2011 at 7:21 am
Sorry Pat but this has the ring of truth: “when we first went to planned parenthood to find out that she was pregnant, i was all but shoved out the door so they could talk to her in private about her ‘options’.”
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May 6, 2011 at 1:49 pm
It’s all a matter of interpretation. Usually, the counselor will ask the woman if she wants the man to come in. There are many times when the woman says “no” because the man might not want to abort. You just cannot take one person’s comment on face value.
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February 8, 2014 at 5:24 am
Very nice, Kathy! You really simiipfled the photo and kept just the important details. Wonderful job on the trees. You really nailed the values in the shadows and light. Good job!
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May 6, 2011 at 7:55 am
You might find this interesting: Many years ago back in the early 80’s (my doctor was just beginning his “infertility practice” which is now a very large sucesssful practice) anyway as the Director of the clinic I needed to find a back-up on call doc for the clinic. Of course non of the local docs wanted to do it…even though they refered to us on a reg basis and knew that we were a very good facility with very few complications! That being said…I still needed a back-up! I talked with Dr.P abt this issue and he told me that alot of the anti’s viewed us as one and the same!! I had never thought of it before…that was long before invitro….He was the doc that helped me get back up!!! At the next Med Assoc. meeting he called all of them on the carpet…told them..you don’t want to do ab.’s..you refer to her clinic..they are very reputable..someone needs to step up to the plate!! That Monday…(3) called me with offers!! From then on…there was never a problem!! Their names were never made public..and our patients got excellent care 24/7…That Infertility Specialist has gone on to run a very well respected facility on the east coast that is sought out by couples far and wide…and he is still very “pro-choice”…
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May 6, 2011 at 8:26 am
Moral of this story: many years ago we were killing them and now we’re killing a lot more and we’re killing them easier. So what else is new?
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May 6, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Good for you, Lorraine!! Kill them all!! Dont let any escape! Die, little babies, die!!!!
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May 6, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Yes, that’s the goal.
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February 9, 2014 at 12:43 am
Very nice, Kathy! Your brushwork here is great! There rellay is a lot of “crashing and splashing” going on! Wonderful color choices and great darks and lights in those rocks. Love it!
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May 7, 2011 at 9:16 am
The interesting thing about your story, Lorraine, is that the so-called “pro-lifers” CAN’T make the distinction between abortion and artificially enhancing the potential for pregnancy. They have to be opposed to them both! Where does that attitude come from?
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May 7, 2011 at 10:43 am
Sure we can, Chuck!
What you can’t understand is the difference between artificially enhancing the potential for pregnancy and killing people.
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May 7, 2011 at 3:33 pm
But previously you have said that contraception is “mutual masturbation,” and you don’t approve of test tube babies, surrogate pregnancies, in vitro fertilization or artificial insemination, so I think you are merely using that false first sentence of your reply to bring out the so-called “pro-lifer” meme equating abortion with murder. Nice try, but it’s trite.!
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February 9, 2014 at 8:18 am
I think that all of the pictures are very funny and other clehdrin love them! I loved Freddie fit it was very very funny and cool Freddie did lots of funny things.
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February 10, 2014 at 8:07 am
Sorry to see you go but I understand how we all need to chnage and move on. Wishing you all the best and many, many, many thanks for your contributions for us all to share and enjoy. Cheers!
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May 8, 2011 at 4:48 am
First of all, get off that “meme” crap. Back in the day when people talked straight (pre- “psychology”) the word was “connotation.”
Second, there are many ways to enhance the potential for pregnancy. We don’t have to kill people, resort to masturbation, or commit adultry.
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May 8, 2011 at 8:07 am
A meme is different from a connotation. You should really look them up.
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May 8, 2011 at 8:36 am
You know I don’t look up stuff you tell me to look up , Chuck. If you can’t tell me in your own words, I figure it’s gobbledegook.
Now get to “Second.”
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May 9, 2011 at 4:54 pm
I thought masturbation was mandatory…
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May 10, 2011 at 4:02 am
I suppose it is for in vitro. That’s one of the reasons the procedure is grotesque.
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May 10, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Now, John, are you saying you never masturbated?? The truth, now….
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May 11, 2011 at 2:13 pm
I told you, Pat, I tell my sins only to a language challenged priest.
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May 11, 2011 at 6:30 am
aborticentrism…looks like you touched a “little nerve”…straight talk NO pshchology crap!! You know for instance don’t label a “pedophile priest” with that pshcology “munmbo jumbo” title…spell it out “child rapist”!! No dancing around the bush there…
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May 11, 2011 at 11:22 am
Interesting observation, Lorraine. I hadn’t thought about it that way.
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April 27, 2015 at 9:57 am
I thought finding this would be so arduous but it’s a breeze!
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June 2, 2011 at 6:42 pm
I hv had 3 abortions and I am not proud of it but u people holding your signs and screaming and silently judging don’t know the situation. When u say I will pray for u I want all of u hypocritical by standers to know I pray for people like u every day of my life. All sin is created equal in the eyes of the lord all sin. So ur judging and my abortions from being rapped continuously from my abusive pastor husband are all the same. Think before you yell everyone has there reasons
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June 3, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Wow, Anonymous, thanks for sharing. A lot of pro-lifers think that we can control everything, including when a woman gets pregnant. Your case is a good example of how wrong that thinking is.
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June 6, 2011 at 11:08 am
Anonymous, you should be proud of the fact that you made important decisions regarding the health and welfare of you and your family and were able to follow through with them, possibly on your own or else with the support of those around you.
The only reason you have to feel ashamed is that so-called “pro-lifers” successfully sold you on their public relations image of the fetus. You did what was necessary to take care of you and the ones who need you. They didn’t do diddly for you, and they don’t do squat for the “unborn human” they want everyone else to raise. For them, the closer it gets, the less sacred life becomes.
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November 14, 2013 at 12:27 pm
I can confidently say that it is impossible to get pregnant again right away after a miscarriage!This is because hormones levels are high and hence boosting fertility. However, it is good to wait for at least one normal menstrual cycle to give the body time to recover and to decrease chances of a second miscarriage. This increases the possibility of getting pregnant and carrying it to term. Some doctors may recommend waiting for even 6 months so as to increase chances of becoming pregnant without complications.Often, the likelihoods of getting pregnant following a miscarriage remain as they were prior to miscarriage. There is a 95% chance of getting pregnant for a second time after a miscarriage while women who have experienced more than 2 miscarriages have a 75% chance of getting pregnant. Miscarriages do not affect the chances of getting pregnant again like other health issues and diseases do. However, a number of women experience miscarriages for mysterious reasons. The cause of a miscarriage cannot be always known by testing.
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November 14, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Thank you for the information, although having spent 99 months of her life pregnant, my mother didn’t need it….
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