In 1997, I told a reporter with the New York Times that I thought abortion was a “form of killing.” I said it in the context of a story he was writing about the “partial birth abortion” procedure. The quote wound up at the bottom of the story on page 17. In other words, it did not create headlines and millions of women who had had abortions in the past did not come forward to demand their money back from the abortion clinics because they were snookered. I got a total of one email from a clinic owner who was upset at my quote. Never heard a word from the pro-choice groups.
Of course, we all know that the anti-abortion movement wants to make the procedure illegal because they also believe that abortion is not only killing, but murder. When that doctor performs that abortion, he or she is “killing a baby,” pure and simple. That’s where the line is drawn. Indeed, a few have gone so far as to kill a (already alive with a family) doctor who performs abortions.
And now here comes Mitt Romney, a Republican candidate for President who years ago used to be pro-choice when he was Governor of (the liberal state of) Massachusetts. At some magical moment, Romney got “educated” on the issue, coincidentally at the time when he was seeking the nomination in a process that is dominated by pro-life advocates.
Suddenly, Mitt Romney became pro-life! Today, Romney believes that abortion should be “limited to only instances of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.”
Hmmmmm.
First of all, kudos to this compassionate man who cares so much about women that he would grant them the ability of have an abortion as long as they can prove that they would DIE if they didn’t have one. Good for you, Mitt! Bravo!
But he would also allow the abortion if the woman were raped or a victim of incest.
So, what am I missing here? What happened to the focus on that little 7 week “baby?” Aren’t we supposed to STOP THE KILLING as the posters say outside the abortion facilities? No matter what you call it, that entity that is inside the woman is alive, right? And, if not aborted, it will continue to grow, right? And the woman is going to the doctor to stop that process, right?
So, what’s with the rape and incest exception? Killing is killing is killing, is it not? Does it matter how that poor little ole baby, floating around serenely in the uterus, was conceived or by whom? Doesn’t the anti-abortion movement want to protect that “baby?”
Of course, the answer is politics. It’s a way for Romney (and other pro-lifers) to try to appear compassionate and moderate. He’s trying to have it both ways. And I suggest that it is the height of hypocrisy.
For many years, the Congress, led by the late Congressman Henry Hyde, passed a rider to an annual spending bill prohibiting federal Medicaid dollars from being used for abortions unless the woman’s life was endangered. Then, in the 1980’s, after an intense lobbying effort, they added the rape and incest exceptions. To me, that was also a hypocritical vote, a welcome one nonetheless. While we were lobbying for the additional exception, it was clear that a number of heretofore “pro-life” members of Congress were uncomfortable and it because a very political vote. Personally, I admired more those pro-life Congressmen who voted against the rape and incest exceptions. At least they were being consistent.
So, Mitt Romney is trying to have it both ways. We’ll see if his strategy works.



June 21, 2011 at 8:04 am
Don’t forget the Santorum exception, who graciously permitted his wife to have an abortion because she would have died had her pregnancy been forced to continue. Where was Dunkle when she went into the clinic?
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June 21, 2011 at 10:52 am
PERFECT COMMENT!
Thanks…
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June 21, 2011 at 2:55 pm
But you left out the part about them…riding around in the car with the dead “baby” so they could take it home and traumatize their young children…with their dead “baby” brother/sister….
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April 14, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Not true. She did not abort.
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June 21, 2011 at 9:53 am
Well, Pat, as long as you’re mentioning consistency, let’s not forget our brethren in Iraq, Afganistan, Libya and so forth. Those for whom we fought for life, for democracy, for oil. Too bad for the “collateral damage” known as innocent civilians.
A seamless garment the prolife industry is not!
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June 21, 2011 at 10:14 am
And as far as a seamless garment goes, why not look at businesses that aren’t aligned with your faith. Don’t believe in homosexuality, don’t buy from business that support the gay agenda, as the homophobes say. Our protesters, aka prolifers, love to feed their fat faces with McDonald’s. Or, if you don’t believe in birth control pills, why not boycott all pharmas or doctors who prescribed them?
But, of course, if they limited their purchases to purely Christian/Catholic organizations, they’d have few places to shop.
Again, a seamless garment is not what they want.
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June 22, 2011 at 9:35 am
Right on the money.
The Christians are a bunch of idiots without any integrity to their convictions.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:38 am
The Christians are, agreeably a bunch of losers that cannot keep their logic in order.
This is a great post Pat and points that out so clearly.
It is not just politicians. It is the anti abortionists.
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June 27, 2011 at 10:53 am
The Christians are the evil nuts that run the CPC Mills.
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June 21, 2011 at 10:55 am
Nice to find out what kind of person will be running the next elections… As needed he changes his mind, i wonder what else along the way he will be changing his mind on…
Maybe after he loses the election he would go back to normal being instead a marionette of a specific purpose…
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June 21, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Wow, five comments already. I try to be first just to shut-up the dopes. Anyway, Pat, well-written as usual but you’re faking the surprise, no? What do you expect of politicians!
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June 21, 2011 at 2:11 pm
It didn’t work because you just showed up.
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June 21, 2011 at 3:09 pm
It has always…”pissed me off” (I don’t usually use that type of language on line) when someone says the are “pro-life” (I like anti-choice) except it is OK to “kill” that baby if created by “rape or incest” seems it is ONLY innocent when the “host” is trying to “save her own life” by having the abortion for “whatever her reason”….but when it is the off-spring of a rapist or pedophile it can be “sentenced to death”…talk abt “Hypocritical”….Pro-choice people celebrate the women “NO MATTER THE CHOICE”…
I can say that I can somewhat understand a person that is 100% anti-choice…but the Mitt’s of the world that are “a little anti-choice” make me sick!!!!
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June 21, 2011 at 3:20 pm
So, when you gonna adopt another baby, Lorraine? Members of RESPONSIBLE Right To Life adopt “every ‘uunborn human’ they want ‘rescued.'” Given your sentiments about abortion, I think you’d be part of that crowd.
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June 21, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Oops, didn’t know I wasn’t identified: The Site That Dares Not Speak Its Name.
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June 21, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Forgot to tell you that I deliberately didn’t read those first five comments. Now I see that the dopes beat me to it. I see Kate herself got in about ten things. I’m sure she would not have said this — “Don’t believe in homosexuality, don’t buy from business that support the gay agenda, as the homophobes say” — if she’d remembered I was around. I’m sure, Kate, that you know who does not like to be referred to as a homophobe, So be careful.
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June 22, 2011 at 9:40 am
?????
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June 22, 2011 at 10:15 am
What are you talking about?
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June 22, 2011 at 10:20 am
Don’t play dumb. You and I know there’s only one homophobe at the AWC, only one person who uses the word faggot instead of gay, and it ain’t me. I say homosexual — five syllables! I make it sound important!
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June 22, 2011 at 10:39 am
Still, what is he talking about?
What is AWC?
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June 22, 2011 at 11:29 am
That’s the Allentown Women’s Center, Cas, where Kate goes to promote killing and I go to stop it.
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June 22, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Apparently, John Dunkle fancies himself as a person trying to stop abortions. In fact, there are others who view his tactics as harassment, as disrespectful and, definitely, as useless. The link to one of his performances is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwJgO6UGuB4
One prolifer from Berks County PA seems to think that no men should be at the abortion clinic because women are more effective. Here newsletter is here:
Click to access NL_1106.pdf
And here’s the link to Dunkle’s dear friend, Gerry McWilliams, a man for whom he holds deep admiration, a man who told a mother that it was God’s will that her daughter was raped and then argued against the abortion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FNmM8axbeg
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June 23, 2011 at 4:27 am
I missed this attack in Kathy Kuhns’ newsletter, Kate, so thanks. She’s been after me for years, and I fight back. Sometimes I think she’s a pro-death spy. She seems to like you even though that’s hard to believe after some of the nasty things you’ve said about her. All her enemies so far have been men; maybe that’s the reason.
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June 23, 2011 at 6:12 am
For about four years now, I have been keeping track of the battle between us — “The Kathy Chronicles, a Tale of Woe” (twenty-eight pages and counting). Lots of stuff in there about you too, Kate. I’d post it if I knew how. And I’ll send it to anybody who has a free weekend and who’d like to read it.
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June 22, 2011 at 11:36 am
I remember Joyce, a protester, calling an escort volunteer a faggot.
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June 22, 2011 at 12:43 pm
That’s naughty. So now we got two homophobes.
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June 22, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Don’t forget your friends Joe and Gerry. Joe has talked to one of our previous Jewish escorts about stiff-necked Jews and homosexuals as fornicators and that they’re going to hell. Also McWilliams, who has his own lesbian daughter, has the cajones to Mike, the escort, Michelle. Let’s face it, you folks have some issues with gays which makes you hypocrites when you talk about the value of all humanity.
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June 23, 2011 at 4:03 am
Guess I should have shut-up about you know who.
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June 21, 2011 at 8:03 pm
So today i was driving home from work and for my surprise i saw this old man holding a sign and the sign says:
ABORTION IS KILLING
I know that there is crazy people all over the place but this “old man” was holding a sign in a place where there is NO ABORTION CLINIC whatsoever…
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June 22, 2011 at 5:59 am
Sonia, read Ernst Becker’s book, “Denial of Death.” It will help you understand why an old man would want to draw attention to himself by holding such a sign.
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June 22, 2011 at 9:19 am
lol i will….
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June 25, 2011 at 4:46 am
Sonia..we have an old man that stands outside of Burger King and holds the same type os sign and he is almost 2.5mi from the clinic!! Of course he has a baby stoller & ballons..most of the time…my littlest grandchild asked me once when she was abt 4yrs old “Yaya..is that old man giving out free Whoppers?” I laughed out loud!! (kids say the darndest things sometimes) ..then I told her NO honey he is telling “whoopers”…would you like to go to McDonald’s for a “Happy Meal”!!! LOL
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June 21, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Well, I really look forward to some pro-lifers to explain to me why it’s okay when a woman is raped…
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June 21, 2011 at 8:21 pm
that was not well written, was it? I gotta head cold, sorry…So, John, my main man, do you support abortion in cases of rape?
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June 21, 2011 at 9:40 pm
It’s not ok ! People who use the rape and incest exceptions cop out. Killing an innocent baby does not un-rape a woman. It only traumatizes her further by causing her to become the attacker. Why is it that the woman’s attacker is not put to death but the innocent baby is? It makes no sense to me. What makes one valuable and the other not? The way it was conceived? No. As I have said many times. It is valuable because it is human.
There is an article about this very subject on a pro-life website and here are a few of the comments from it. They say it better than I can.
“it is unfair and unjust to execute innocent children for the crimes of their biological fathers. The tragic circumstances of their conception don’t make them less human.”
“do you support executing innocent children for crimes they didn’t commit as a general rule, as well? For example, if a man with a two-year-old son rapes his son’s mother, is it just to then execute the two-year-old for the crimes of his father?”
“Should we kill the child for the sins of the father? Will that set things right?”
We must consider that at conception, a human being is formed. Should we take the life of this person because of the sins of the father or the mother in other situations? Abortion is the taking of a human life, no matter the circumstances under which the child was conceived. After conception, everything thing else is a matter of maturity.”
The good news is that Romney and Santorum are not the only “pro-life” candidates out there. There are better. However, I must admit that if the 2012 election comes down to one of these guys against Obama I will vote for one of them because a “somewhat” pro-life candidate is better than the pro-abortion agenda that we have with Obama and his buddies at Planned Parenthood. Besides that, putting abortion aside, I am tired of seeing him out golfing while our country goes to hell. He seems to not notice a lot of things, or at least he did until the magical election time rolls around then all of a sudden he wants to look like he is actually involved. It annoys me and even the secular pro-choice press have admitted that he’s basically done nothing. (that was a bonus opinion )
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June 22, 2011 at 7:40 am
I appreciate that Deanna is at least consistent. I just cannot imagine carrying a baby that was conceived by the rape….
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June 22, 2011 at 7:44 am
I’m no economist but I firmly believe that Obama saved this country from going into a deep depression. If you were President, Deanna, would you have just sat there and done nothing? No stimulus package, no bailouts (where those bailed out are paying back the money)….absolutely nothing???
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June 22, 2011 at 9:06 am
What I would have done was get up off my rear and start cutting ridiculous spending like the zillions of dollars that goes to special interest that is unnecessary. For example:
The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them — costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually — fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.[4]
The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.[5]
And this is only a tiny portion.
For sources go to: heritage.org
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June 22, 2011 at 10:14 am
Oh, goodie, Deanna using another prolife source, Heritage. Boy, that’s where the expertise is located.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:42 am
Why can’t pro lifers ever use good data when trying to support their position?
They are so misinformed!
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June 22, 2011 at 10:48 am
Since this subject line has nothing to do with abortion but instead the economy I don’t see how that matters but just to make it unarguable here are the sources (which is the reason I put the web address)
[1]Government Accountability Office, Improper Payments: Progress Made but Challenges Remain in Estimating and Reducing Improper Payments, GAO-09-628T, April 22, 2009, at /static/reportimages/848E2EF8FE88B7FD87B3621E2B5FC0EA.pdf (October 5, 2009).
[2]The Cato Institute estimates that corporate welfare costs $92 billion annually (not even counting the $700 billion TARP legislation). SeeStephen Slivinski, “The Corporate Welfare State: How the Federal Government Subsidizes U.S. Businesses,” Cato Institute, May 14, 2007, at http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8230 (October 5, 2009). The White House has requested $71 billion for fiscal year 2010 homeland security spending. See Office of Management and Budget, Budget of the U.S. Government, FY 2010: Analytic Perspectives (Supplemental Materials), May 2009, at /static/reportimages/1FA58FAE61C1A1EBAB37BE76B88C824D.pdf (October 5, 2009).
[3]Office of Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK), “Subcommittee Oversight Efforts Identify $1.1 Trillion in Waste or Questionable Spending,” October 19, 2006, at http://coburn.senate.gov/oversight/?FuseAction=OversightAction
.Home&ContentRecord_id=611f1f4c-802a-23ad-475d-223d6490f308 (October 5, 2009).
[4]Figures include all federal programs rated “ineffective” or “results not demonstrated” by the George W. Bush Administration’s Program Assessment Rating Tool (PART) assessment of all federal programs. See http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/expectmore/ and http://www.whitehouse
.gov/omb/expectmore/part.xls.
[5]Congressional Budget Office, “Budget Options, Volume 1: Health Care,” December 2008, athttp://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-Health
Options (October 5, 2009); “Budget Options, Volume 2,” August 2009, at /static/reportimages/B6358B2C50828DC2865F4C220C0720C5.pdf (October 5, 2009).
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June 22, 2011 at 11:01 am
You’d do well to broaden your reading, Deanna. Start with the Children’s Defense Fund. And while you’re there, say hi for me to Brucie, in the mail room….
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June 22, 2011 at 9:43 am
Most those quotes just do not make any sense in the context of Pat’s simple question. They are just irrelevant.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:21 am
They do make sense, Jerome, but first you have to learn how to read.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:43 am
What is this guy saying?
I cannot understand a word . . .
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June 22, 2011 at 11:30 am
You would if you could.
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June 22, 2011 at 4:12 am
I think it, Pat, but deanna spells it out.
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June 21, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Oh and by the way ,Santorums wife did NOT have an abortion. He had in utero surgery that resulted in her getting an infection that caused her to start having contractions. The infection was killing her so the doctors let the baby be born and he died two hours later. This was NOT an abortion. It was a natural pre-mature birth caused by a surgery to save the baby’s life. Here is the story in her own words.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/numberslady/santorum.html
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June 22, 2011 at 10:58 am
Deanna, you’re saying the doctors didn’t induce her labor?
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June 22, 2011 at 2:54 pm
No they did not induce labor. She was in labor when she went to the hospital. They may have given pitocin to speed it up since she was going to die but the labor was natural because of the infection.
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June 22, 2011 at 1:59 am
[…] The Rape and Incest Exception – Trying to Have it Both Ways (abortion.ws) […]
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June 22, 2011 at 6:13 am
The underlying flaw in Deanna’s argument is the “innocent baby” fable. The only person who can declare that a fetus is an “innocent baby” is the woman who is host to it.
Calling a fetus an “innocent baby” is a device that gives a so-called “pro-lifer” a chance to appear like a hero whil not actually doing diddly squat to “rescue,” “defend” or “respect” the object of his intent Deanna could prove me wrong by telling us how many “innocent babies” she has saved from their mother’s smoking, poor nutrition, substance abuse and alcoholism. If she won’t, I will: Zero. The mothers had to do it themselves.
So-called “pro-lifers” don’t have to have abortions stopped in order to feel better; they only need to believe that they’re not socially tolerated. They will be more than happy to continue to vociferously disapprove of the ones that they hear about, but their real comfort will lie in the fact that they have gotten society to feel the way they do. If Society adopts that attitude as a result of their work, then they have the added rush of feeling like heroes.
Calling them “innocent babies” is a clever and shabby rhetorical device.
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June 22, 2011 at 8:02 am
“The only person who can declare that a fetus is an ‘innocent baby’ is the woman who is host to it.” You know I love you Chuck because you don’t cuss me out, but, as I said before, you are one slippery dude. You used to say “the primary caretaker” is the person who has life and death power over another. Now you say “the woman who is host to it.” Please stick to one thing so I can talk to you.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:57 am
The fetus’ host IS the primary caretaker. None other can take care of it but him or her. You may try if you like, however. For real children, society or custom may define someone other than the biological mother as the primary caretaker, but not for fetuses.
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June 23, 2011 at 6:32 am
So you still think, then, that others besides pregnant women may kill people. Could you tell me more about those others?
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June 22, 2011 at 9:11 am
abortecentrism @ The whole it’s only an innocent baby if the mother deems it so is nonsense.
Fetus is a medical term that simply describes and unborn maturing baby. It does not magically become a baby from another species once air hits it. It was already a baby. Only it’s medical name changed. Geographical location between the womb and the bassinet has absolutely nothing to do with what it is.
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June 22, 2011 at 9:49 am
Wrong.
A cell is not a baby, neither is two…, four….., etc.
Eventually a baby is developed.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:00 am
Jerome by the 8th week of pregnancy the “fetus” or “unborn baby” is fully developed with all bodily systems working. All the unborn baby has to do at this point is grow larger. It’s not just one cell, or two, or four. It is a human being. The huge majority of abortions are done at this point in the pregnancy. So a very larger number of fully formed unborn babies are destroyed.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:12 am
You are not quite accurate, Deanna. Many different systems formed in the embryonic period (organogenesis) grow and differentiate further during the fetal period and do so at different times. For example, the brain continues to grow and develop extensively during this period (and postnatally), the respiratory system differentiates (and completes only just before birth), the urogenital system further differentiates between male/female, endocrine and gastrointestinal tract begins to function. Also consider the systems (respiratory, cardiac, neural) that will still not have their final organization and function determined until after birth.
But don’t let facts stand in your way.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:19 am
As I said, the baby has to grow into maturity (it’s systems included) but the systems are all there at 8 weeks.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:27 am
b. Up to 8 weeks
Heart rate: beats at 140-150 per minute approximately twice the rate of yours.
Body shape: the embryo’s head is still very large in comparison to the body and is bent forward on the chest. The body begins to straighten and elongate.
Internal organs : All organs will now be present and most major structures will have been formed.
http://www.uky.edu/Classes/PHI/305.002/fd.htm
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June 22, 2011 at 10:47 am
Deanna, you wrote:
“Jerome by the 8th week of pregnancy the “fetus” or “unborn baby” is fully developed with all bodily systems working.”
Kate is correct.
Deanna, you are incorrect.
Did you answer the question about the several cells being a baby?
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June 22, 2011 at 11:34 am
Sure several cells can be a baby. So can one cell. I mean, where else do you start? When he has thousands of cells and you name him Kent?
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June 22, 2011 at 2:56 pm
yes Kent I did answer it and yes Kent I am right. I provided documentation from a fetal development course at a college. Documentation is above.
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June 22, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Again, try to use more reliable sources. While the student project you list in worthwhile as a student project, try instead work from an embryologist.
http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryo.htm
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June 22, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Kate, has it struck you how much of this is the fetuses and the children being props for the personal journey of the self-proclaimed “pro-lifer”?
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June 23, 2011 at 4:12 am
No danger there. That has struck, and will strike, only one person forever, Chuckles himself.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:16 am
So, Deanna, if it’s a fully formed human at two weeks, why do we bother wasting taxpayer dollars on it for schooling or law enforcement or even traffic control? Surely, it’s able to take care of itself when it comes to eating, thinking, talking, and crossing the street.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:20 am
I’m sorry but that doesn’t make any sense. Please clarify your statement.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:24 am
Again, deanna, you’re asking for the impossible.
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June 22, 2011 at 11:09 am
1. You object to “innocent humans” being “murdered” in the womb. 2. You refer to the 2-month-old fetus as being fully human. 3. Since it is fully human, why don’t we save billions more ($100 billion in CHIP, for example) by eliminating schooling, medical care, breakfast and lunch programs, child protection services, orphanages, and child pornography laws enforcement? They must be able to take care of themselves if they’re already human at that age, and youi’re against wasteful government spending.
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June 22, 2011 at 11:37 am
See, if you ask for clarity, you get the even more opaque.
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June 22, 2011 at 2:58 pm
One thing has nothing to do with the other. A baby cannot care for himself, neither can a kindergarten student, a disabled person, the elderly (some), the mentally disabled or some terminally ill. So, do you propose that we kill all of those since they need “help”?
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June 22, 2011 at 9:32 am
Deanna i am sorry to disagree with you, specially because i like what you write, but i got to say this… Some “kids” at the age of 10 has their period already and if they are raped they can end up being a mom… So now, from somebody who was raped at the age of 10 i can tell you that i honestly would kill myself if at that time i had end up pregnant by that man.
It was horrible and it took quite sometime for me to get over that… The biggest trauma besides being raped was to have my mom slapping me in my face saying that was my fault after all… so, with all due respect to all of you in here, do not think that being raped is easy or either having an abortion after being raped is easy as well. Actually, i think that all women who are raped (i don’t really know if that happens now in day or not) should have something they would take it to prevent ending up pregnant. I don’t really do a lot of “research” on the internet about rape cases because that is something that fires me up. I got over my situation but can’t get over of the fact that being raped is a heinous thing to go thru.
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June 22, 2011 at 9:47 am
It is horrible Sonia and I am sorry that you went through that and equally sorry that you’re mother didn’t understand your pain. Here is a TRUE story of a young girl that was raped and did get pregnant. (Sorry Pat I know it’s long but the story is important). I copied this word for word from the woman’s story.
“Please consider this scenerio: A girl of 13 is raped by an adult man of a different race. She is threatened by this man not to tell, so she keeps it a secret until her pregnancy becomes obvious. Her mother tells the girl she needs to have an abortion & if she doesn’t she is on her own. This girl is young, is in 8th grade, has no job, can’t drive, & has no family support. The mother takes the girl to an abortion facilty where they remain for 6 hours. During this time she is given STD testing to see if her abuser has given her a disease. She is given an ultrasound, which she is not permitted to see. She receives counseling where she is told “At 20 weeks, the baby is not formed yet.” When she asked about adoption, she was infromed, “No one will want a bi-racial rapist’s baby.” When she was still unsure, she was told if she did not consent to the abortion, she would die. Believing she will die giving birth to a baby no one will even want, she finally gives in. She was counseled in the room with her mother present (the one pressuring her to abort) & told to sign a statement agreeing that she was making this decison as a free choice…how would you say no when your mom is right there??? Anyway, she was not told anything accurate about fetal development, her options, about the procedure, or her risks. They decided to perform a D&E (live dismemberment) abortion on her due to the gestational age of 20 wks. However, they had failed to include the cost of general anesthesia when quoting the price to the mother, so when it came time for the abortion, the mom only had enough for local. No matter. The abortionist decided to proceed & perform a 20-30 minute long, late-term abortion on a 13 yr old rape victim…AWAKE. Customarily, the cervix would be dilated slowly over 24-48 hours using laminaria (particularly important with a “green”cervix of one so young with no prior live births). Instead, the abortionist opted to dilate her manually with metal rods. He must apply force to insert the rod, remove it, & quickly insert another larger rod until the cervix is opened enough to allow his instruments access to the womb & to allow for the parts of the fetus to be removed. She is on the table, in the stirrups, & the procedure has begun…but the pain is too much for her. The abortionist gets upset & informs the girl’s mother, “She is making my job too difficult” & suggests they reschedule & bring more money for general anesthesia. During the week and half before the rescheduled abortion, the girl is given ACCURATE fetal development info. She learns about the risks of abortion & about adoption. She refuses to go to the rescheduled appointment & instead chooses to continue the pregnancy. She begins prenatal care @ 23 wks where she is again tested for STDs. The abortion facility failed to give her the results prior to her abortion (which would have allowed her to make an informed decision about whether or not to proceed) & in fact, never gave her the results. Her Ob/Gyn however discovered the rapist had given the girl Chylamidia, which left untreated (& especially is inserted up into a womb made raw from the scrapping involved in an abortion) would have made her sterile. At 13 she may have aborted the only child she would have ever been able to conceive & the abortion staff cared so much for her reproductive future, they didn’t even bother to tell her she had the disease.
The reason I know this story is, 1 month after this young lady chose life for her baby, she chose my family to be the adoptive parents. The story above was told to me by this girl & her mother. I had the honor of being in the delivery room to watch this amazing young lady give birth to a beautiful baby girl. There was not a dry eye, I assure you. I really think everyone was half expecting some demon looking thing to come out with horns & red eyes or some “mini-rapist”. Babies who are conceived out of violence are often refered to as “Devil’s Spawn” or “Demon Seed” or a hundred other horrible names meant to dehumanize them & justify their destruction. Her mother came around & helped her daughter through the pregnancy, delivery, & adoption process. The 13 yr old did NOT die not was her baby unwanted, regardless of the circumstances surrounding her conception or her ethnicity. Moments after birth, she told me, “She was worth it!” & befroe we left the hospital the day she signed the custody papers, she thanked us…how incredibly humbling!!! We keep in regular contact & she was able to enjoy her childhood, finish high school & is now a medical assistant in the very hospital she delivered in. She continues to thank us for parenting her daughter, LOVES her daughter, & she is now raising a son (who might not exist if she had not been treated & cured). She gets to watch her daughter grow up & not have the grief & regret of her death as a memory. This young lady at 13 showed more strength & courage than most adults I know…and amazing person & mother!
My daughter is an amazing little person. She is not a “rapist’s baby”…and the circumstances surrounding her conception do not in anyway diminish who she is & the fact that her life is priceless. Both she & her birth mother deserved to be treated with dignity & respect. They deserved better than abortion, which not only leaves the baby dead, but leaves the woman scarred. In these cases, the woman needs treated for the RAPE & the abortion will not “un-rape” her…it will not undo the trauma nor the memories. In a rape, the woman is the innocent, powerless victim. When she aborts her innocent, powerless baby, she becomes a victimizer. How is it helpful to coerce & manipulate a 13 yr old into making the decision adults, parents, abortion clinic staff, & abortion supporters think she should make??? How is that “pro-choice”? When you deprive a woman of accurate information, try to scare her, & threaten to abandon her, in order to secure an abortion, how is that pro-choice??? I find it strange that in every situation those who support abortion proclaim, “My Body! My Choice!” and even “My Baby! My Choice!”…it is hers to do with as she wants. But with rape or incest it becomes HIS baby! That baby is part of her too!!!! Thankfully, my daughter is alive & thriving. She knows about her birth mom & we honor her in our home. We have pix of her, her birth family, her birth, & we proudly show them to our children. We love them both soooo very much.
Rape is an ugly, ugly thing. The rape of a child is evil. But amazingly, children are the living proof that something (some one) beautiful can come from the most horrific of circumstances. She was violated in the worst way, yet she loves her daugher & found the strength to choose like & adoption, dispite the pressure to abort. Does she regret not killing her daughter when she had the chance? NO!!!! She has told me & is so thankful she chose life.”
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June 22, 2011 at 9:51 am
Amazingly irrelevant to the post.
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June 22, 2011 at 9:57 am
No, it’s not irrelevant at all. It shows the “other” side of the story. It shows what can happen when the mother doesn’t become the attacker and gives the baby life. I was showing Sonia that the choice to give birth is not as horrible as she imagined it would be. Very relevant.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:13 am
But you don’t want to be reminded about the other 99% of the stories– i.e., the Ted Bundy outcomes. What gives?
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June 22, 2011 at 10:17 am
give statistics with documentation if you are going to say that 99% of them end up being Ted Bundy. You can’t just pull numbers out and sling them around with no back up.
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June 22, 2011 at 11:04 am
I should have used “e.g.,” not “i.e.” Sorry abuot that. So, what gives with you refusing to pay attention to the other 99%?
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June 22, 2011 at 10:26 am
Don’t keep putting yourself down, Jerome. Just try to learn.
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June 23, 2011 at 10:07 am
No matter how amazing they are, I can’t keep filling up my newsletter with deanna’s writings. So, I’m doing something else with this one. I’m sending it to my religion class. My religion class is made up of my children, their spouses, and those grandchildren in high school and beyond. And I have to thank you, Pat. If it weren’t for you, I’d never have met deanna.
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April 14, 2015 at 6:37 pm
Beautiful! Relevant! Courageous! Thank you for writing this testimony. You are a gift to this child, her birth mother is a light to all of us and God’s love and mercy are apparent.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:26 am
Deanna, i totally understand your point and as i said while ago i congratulate you and your integrity as a person and as a pro-life, because like i also said before, you are the only one so far i have seeing to do this, this is being a TRUE pro-life. On the case of the 13 years old girl, it is a shame that people do that out of ignorance. Thank goodness she found answers and could change her future. But what i said was, i think, different than your story. Ok, i just found out, and believe me, i just found out, that if a woman is raped and calls the police and goes to the hospital right away she is offered to have a medication to prevent any STD and pregnancy. So if a woman, teen or child enters the hospital after being raped (not saying 20 weeks later) she has this option that is why i think abortion should be legal now and forever and education should be more intensive with teens in how to prevent pregnancy.
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June 22, 2011 at 10:41 am
I absolutely agree that education is the best thing that can be done, but it needs to be FULL education and not just the “here’s a condom, have fun and if you get preg here’s the abortion clinic number crap that they masquerade as education. It needs to include all of the aspects, fetal development, abstinence, etc included.
One of our local high schools which had a huge problem with teen pregnancies (it became “cool” to be teen and pregnant) has a program where the “parent” (male and female both) have a “baby” (which is a doll with a computer inside that “acts’ as a baby, needing to be fed, changed, rocked, etc) and they get graded on how well they care for the “baby”. Amazingly after this class started teen pregnancy rates went way down AND abortion rates did not go up. So, the desired affect was accomplished. They realized that sex is a grown up deal and if you don’t want to have a baby you better pay attention. The program continues even now after about 10 years because it is very effective. So,my point is that teens need to hear the whole deal. While I believe that abstinence is best and the “perfect” outcome, I am also a realest and realize that we do not live in a perfect world and abstinence is not likely to happen across the board so therefore education is key. But to continually push abortion as the answer to teen sex is irresponsible on the adults part. All it does is leave a trail of broken, wounded teens, male and female that are forced to grow up way to quickly. Teens should never have to wake up the next day knowing that they killed their kid.
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June 22, 2011 at 11:06 am
PLEASE let me make mine your words… That is what i have repeated over and over with different words and you just put in a more understandable way.
I think that if more efforts were done towards educating teens things could change a lot.
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June 22, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Deanna, could you provide the documentation for the claim that the teen pregnancy rates go down as a result of the Baby Thinkaboutit program? I’ve been out of that loop for about a decade, but in 2000 the results showed that a lot of the girls left the program thinking, “If it were my baby, it would be a lot different.”
Historically, from the Puritans onward, a minimum of 35% of the population is going to be sexually active outside the bounds of marriage and/or adulthood. What’s your Plan B for them them all the education about abstinence (which fails 85% of the time anwyay), etc., doesn’t work? Contraception? Abortion?
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June 22, 2011 at 3:05 pm
I am not opposed to non-abortive contraception but that’s not the point. The point is that teens need to be educated about a lot more than the so called easy fix of abortion. What happens to all of these sexually active teens who have been sold the “if you get preggo go get an easy abortion” lie when they get a life long STD? the same sex act that lead to the pregnancy leads to STD’s. What’s the easy fix for that? These kids need to be educated about the dangers of pre-marital sex as well as the truth of what an abortion entails. It’s not all fun and games like they have been told BY ADULTS who know better! (i.e. Planned Parenthood, Marie Stopes). Some of those videos and junk they show the kids sounds like they encourage them to have sex.
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June 22, 2011 at 3:09 pm
This is a local high school and as far as I know there is no published documentation on their success with the program. I know it because of my work with pregnant teens and the fact that it is a small town do it is sort of common knowledge for those interested.
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June 22, 2011 at 1:14 pm
The rest is silence.
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June 22, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Why don’t you propose to help all those you don’t want”killed”? You’ve shown you’re capable of it. I mean real help, not just the occasional package of pampers; something along the lines of 15 million seconds of one-on-one. Do the one thing you want all pregnant women to do: Raise a child you don’t want to.
More seriously, it’s obvious from your description that something that looks human at 8 weeks gestation is clearly only humanoid– lacking viability, sentience and cognition. It you are so concerned about “protecting” something with less viability than an earthworm, why won’t you extend that concern for it for another eighteen years and 7 months? If you want it to be born, you have a moral responsibility to gtet it to full hunmanity. Remember the Green River Killer?
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June 22, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Let me understand this: you think, Deanna, that adults are teaching kids that sex is “fun and games?”????
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June 22, 2011 at 3:58 pm
What I am referring to is some of the PP and Marie Stopes videos that condone promiscuous sexual activity for teens all in the name of “they are going to do it anyway” Type this: “marie stopes safe sex rap videos” into google and you will find plenty about it.
Also, PP’s advice to teens wanting to have sex: “Yes:
Both people should want to have sex.
Never pressure someone into having sex.
Be honest about your sexual feelings.
Make sure sex is pleasurable for both people.
Use birth control if you don’t want an unintended pregnancy, and protect yourself from STDs.
Be clear with each other about what you want to do and don’t want to do.
When to have sex is a personal choice. We usually make better decisions when we think through the possible benefits and the risks. It’s helpful to talk things through with someone you trust — a parent, a friend, a professional counselor, or someone else who cares about you and what will be good for you.
A good sex life is one that keeps in balance with everything you’re about — your health, values, education and career goals, relationships with other people, and your feelings about yourself.”
From PP.org
Not once do they suggest that the teen abstain.
And again from PP.org “People decide for themselves what it means to them to “have sex.” To avoid confusion when talking about having sex with sex partners, it’s important to clearly communicate your limits and expectations and to be sure you understand theirs. There is a wide range of fun, safe, pleasurable activities that people can engage in that are called ”having sex.”
Good news: there is a variety of sexual activities that are very low risk for pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections (such as mutual masturbation, phone sex, and cybersex). Bad news: one behavior — unprotected vaginal intercourse —) can be very high risk for both! A lot of other behaviors are high risk for sexually transmitted infections. So whatever “having sex” means to you, be careful!
Again, never the mention of the broken hearts, broken relationships, abstinence, etc, It’s a “well have fun just don’t get yourself messed up message.” As I said, irresponsible for adults to pretend as if teens, especially young ones are emotionally equipped to make these kinds of decisions. They are not. What they need is adults who will try to steer them first and foremost into NOT being an adult before their time. If the adults were more responsible with our message we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now. But we haven’t been. It’s been all about free sex, free love, do whatever you feel like doing and if you mess up go down to the abortion clinic. Proven by the fact that •
• Women aged 15–19 had 200,420 abortions in 2006.
Young people aged 13–24 made up about 17% of all those who received a diagnosis of HIV/AIDS in 2008. [12]
• Although 15–24-year-olds represent only one-quarter of the sexually active population, they account for nearly half (9.1 million) of the 18.9 million new cases of STIs each year. [13]
Stats from the Guttmacher Institute
So obviously the message to teens is not getting through. They are getting pregnant, getting aids, getting other STD’s and having abortions. And the reason is that we have taught them that it is acceptable for them to have sex as long as they “take care of the risks” but by nature of being teens they frequently do not take care of the risks. What we should be telling them is that sex is a serious deal, meant for adults, hopefully married ones, and that you don’t need to be giving part of your soul away to some person that you won;t even remember after high school. Again,, we have CHILDREN playing grown up and we have encouraged it. That is my point.
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June 22, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Those STI stats are not evenly distributed throughout the country, Deanna. How do they break down between states where sex education is taught, states which promote abstinence only education, and Bible belt states?
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June 22, 2011 at 7:24 pm
NO I don’t but here is a study that supports the fact that abstinence education works better than the PP route. http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/164/2/152?home
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June 23, 2011 at 5:55 am
Oops, a slight mistake: the illegitimacy rate in Puritan culture was 35%. I retract my statement about 35% being the historical promiscuity rate. If the God-fezaring whites-only Puritans couldn’t lower the promiscuity rate below 35%, what other God-fearing whites-only group in America is going to do any better?
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June 23, 2011 at 7:52 am
Documentation?
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