She was 19 and he was 21. She just graduated high school and was working to save so money so she could ultimately attend the local community college. She had dreams of owning her own nail salon. He took construction jobs whenever available and had thoughts of being a site manager. They were both good Catholics so they used the rhythm method for birth control.
Then she got pregnant.
They struggled with what to do. They were too intimidated to go to their priest so, instead, they talked to a friend or two and some family members. Ultimately, they decided to have an abortion. At the time, she was nine weeks pregnant. It was a very sad occasion for both of them but neither could envision how they could raise a child on their income and cringed at the thought of sending their child to a public school in the Bronx. She knew, of course, that she could put the baby up for adoption but could not imagine carrying the child until birth then handing it over to another family. She did not want to spend each day wondering what her child was doing in some other part of the country. It was all a very sad occasion but they did what they thought was best at that moment.
Nine years later, things had changed. They made their way out of the Bronx and started making a comfortable living in Pennsylvania. She was a civil servant and he ran a local hardware store. Then, she became pregnant again. And this time they had their baby.
After giving birth, she started thinking more about her abortion and a transformation of sorts took place. She started thinking that if she had had that first child maybe things would have turned out differently. Maybe there could have been a way for her to finish college and turn things around. She couldn’t stop saying to herself: “what if?” She started reading pro-life literature and discovered resources for women who had come to regret their abortion. She dove in head first, joining organizations and attending rallies.
Like the others who had had similar experiences, she never went out and said that abortion should be a crime, that we should throw women and the doctors in jail for participating in the procedure. No, their approach was more subtle than that, on its face more “caring.” Because they knew that women knew absolutely nothing about their reproductive lives, they merely wanted to talk to them about the affects of abortion, the dangers. They just wanted women to know the “truth.” Their compassion for these women was dripping off the walls.
Of course, they never talk about the millions of women who have had abortions and who, dare I say it, are actually okay today! They don’t’ talk about the person in my family who over the course of 12 years had two abortions and today has the
most amazing family. Yes, in private conversations she will admit that she might think about the two abortions at times, but only fleetingly. It certainly has not affected her to the point where she wants to go out and join some pro-life organization or seek counseling. No, we can’t talk about those women.
Make no mistake about it – these women who have had abortions and now say they are total basket cases have one goal in mind – to make abortion illegal in this country once again. They want to back to the days when women, despite the laws, sought out abortions, often with disastrous consequences. Don’t let the sweet talk fool you. In the back of their minds, they are thinking: “You are killing a baby, my dear” but they will sugarcoat it by dangling before you the prospect that you will be totally paralyzed with guilt for the rest of your life if you get that abortion.
The irony, of course, is these women who now regret their abortion, including the one above, actually had an abortion! They made the decision based on their moment in time, based on whatever information they could gather. And this morning, there is a woman who is facing the same situation.
I have absolutely no problem if that pregnant woman wants to read volumes of pro-life literature. She can go, if she wants, to a crisis pregnancy center and talk to their “counselors.” The more information (if truthful), the better for her decision making process.
But, make no mistake about it. Behind all the nice talk and the offers of assistance, the bottom line is that these women who now regret their abortions thought they were doing the right thing at the time. And they now want to take away that decision making process from the hundreds of thousands of women each year who are in the same position.
Related articles
- Surprise! Crisis Pregnancy Centers Don’t Separate Education, Religion (hayladies.wordpress.com)
- All Pro-life Today 7/26/2011 (deaconjohnspace.wordpress.com)



July 28, 2011 at 1:57 pm
It is always like that, people are constantly passing judgement on others by forget to look at their own lives.
It amazes me that I even do that, I guess it is part of human nature.
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July 29, 2011 at 1:38 pm
You mistake calling things as they are for judgment. It is not judgment to say please don’t kill a human being. It is not judgment to say it is morally wrong. It is stating fact that some people want to deny.
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July 29, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Deanna,
You can say whatever you want about whoever you want, this is America after all, but don’t you tell me how I should live my life and what choices I should be making.
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July 29, 2011 at 3:02 pm
The sick thing is DeAnna would vote to take away birth control as one of your choices!
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July 29, 2011 at 3:09 pm
no, the sick thing is that people kill babies and convince themselves that it is ok.
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July 29, 2011 at 3:42 pm
QED
Prolife = Stupid = 1 + 1 = 2
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July 29, 2011 at 4:16 pm
🙂
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July 29, 2011 at 9:07 pm
NEWS FLASH:
A fertilized egg is not a fully formed human being.
An embryo or fetus is not a baby.
A pregnant woman does not make a mother.
Abortion kills a fetus.
A woman and her life has more value than an embryo or fetus.
A woman’s children and their lives have more value than an embryo or fetus.
WARNING: VALUE JUDGMENT
“no, the sick thing is that people kill babies and convince themselves that it is ok”
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July 29, 2011 at 9:27 pm
It has arms, legs, brain, a heart, it is human. It is an unborn baby. Call it a fetus if you want but that doesn’t make what it is disappear. It is an unborn human baby and killing it is morally wrong.Period!
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July 30, 2011 at 4:01 am
At least Kate is sticking to the point here, but watch her run now.
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July 31, 2011 at 4:40 am
We all know what it means to “assume” something..don’t we??
In case you don’t it meants to :
it makes an: “ass” out of “u” and me” ass..u..me
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July 31, 2011 at 12:23 pm
You do come up with some original stuff, LDM.
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July 29, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Deanna wrote: It is not judgment to say please don’t kill a human being. Really? You’re wrong. It is judgment. You just don’t like the word judgment. You like facts, your facts. You don’t like abortion. Don’t have one, not that you’re young enough to have one. You like to believe that every word that trips off your tongue is silver and speaks THE TRUTH, as if there is only one truth in the world. And that’s pretty damn obvious with your next statement ” It is not judgment to say it is morally wrong” which is like a comedy routine, like STFU-funny. You use the words “judgment” and “morally” and “wrong”….are you that blind to your own writing? You’re making a judgmental comment. Accept the F.A.C.T. that you judge. You judge abortion as W.R.O.N.G. The majority of America does NOT judge abortion as wrong. (Read the unbiased, objective polls like Pew, Gallup, etc).
You are like a handful of prolifers in Allentown who are so blind to your own inconsistencies, to the contradictions in your beliefs, and to the deaf ears and hard hearts that you can’t help women who believe differently and YET still need/want compassion, love and accurate information. That’s what prochoice men and women provide–compassion, love and accurate information.
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July 29, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Below are direct quotes from May 2011 Gallup Poll.
Gallup’s 2011 Values and Beliefs survey, conducted May 5-8, finds a bit more public agreement about the morality of abortion. Just over half of Americans, 51%, believe abortion is “morally wrong,” while 39% say it is “morally acceptable.” Americans’ views on this have been fairly steady since 2002, except for 2006, when they were evenly divided.
Americans’ views on abortion held fairly steady over the past year, with the public still sharply divided over the “pro-life” and “pro-choice” labels. Nevertheless, majorities of Americans indicate some reluctance about abortion on both moral and legal grounds”
So, you are wrong about what the majority of Americans believe. But frankly I do not care what the majority of anyone believes. Abortion is killing a human baby therefore it is morally wrong. Period! I make no apologies for saying so.
I want more than anything to help women but what I will never do, again unapolgetically, is help them kill their child.
Kate, there ARE moral absolutes. Not killing is one of them.
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July 29, 2011 at 9:20 pm
You need to stop cherry picking and learn how to read the Gallup Poll. You’re incorrect about your absolutism, which is no big surprise. Read through the whole thing with an open mind, if you can.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147734/Americans-Split-Along-Pro-Choice-Pro-Life-Lines.aspx
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July 29, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Here’s the first sentence to get you started:
Americans are closely divided between those calling themselves “pro-choice” and those who are “pro-life,” now 49% and 45%, respectively, in Gallup’s 2011 update on U.S. abortion attitudes.
In plain English:
Prochoice 49%
Prolife 45%
See how easy that is?
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July 29, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Just over half of Americans, 51%, believe abortion is “morally wrong,” while 39% say it is “morally acceptable.” Gallup Poll May 2011
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July 30, 2011 at 4:03 am
I knew she’d run.
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July 30, 2011 at 7:28 am
I love when Kate Hammers those stupid pro lifers with her superior writing and intellect!
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July 30, 2011 at 9:41 pm
How would you know, Hammer Time (love that name, can’t reduce it)? Before you can determine that, you have first have to learn how to read!
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July 28, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Abortion is very, very , very wrong.
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July 30, 2011 at 7:29 am
Figures, a moron named Jesus writes that stupid statement.
OK Jesus, is Abortion ever OK?
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July 30, 2011 at 10:01 am
Hammer I am sure that this name is pronounced Hay sus. It’s the way Hispanics spell the name. The J is pronounced as an H.
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July 30, 2011 at 9:43 pm
See, Hammer time? That’s what I mean.
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July 30, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Who cares if you know how Jesus (hay sus) is pronounced?
Further, do we need to know all the other attributes of the Spanish alphabet and how vowels and consonants are pronounced?
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July 31, 2011 at 4:23 am
Not while we’re still learning all the other attributes of the English, as in your case.
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July 31, 2011 at 5:11 pm
and Abortion is Never OK.
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July 31, 2011 at 5:10 pm
I pronounce my name Jesus, the American way, not the Latino way.
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July 31, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Thank you for clarifying.
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August 1, 2011 at 5:35 am
Jesus,
What if a women has a pregnancy in the tube and it could burst?
Is abortion OK then?
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August 1, 2011 at 11:24 am
Not “could burst,” R, will burst. The pathologically damaged fallopian tube must be removed to save the mother’s life. This is different from the search and destroy mission — “abortion.”
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August 2, 2011 at 10:41 am
No. Not all tubal pregnancies burst.
Not ALL are life threatening.
Many are, but it is not absolute.
They are treated before one knows to prophylatically avoid a potential rupture.
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August 2, 2011 at 11:03 am
Abortion is OK then.
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July 28, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Pat wrote “I have absolutely no problem if that pregnant woman wants to read volumes of pro-life literature. She can go, if she wants, to a crisis pregnancy center and talk to their “counselors.” The more information (if truthful), the better for her decision making process.”
The parenthetical “if truthful” is where folks grind their axes. One prolifer made the underwhelming comment that “Truth is truth” to which we all were blown away by such a profundity (not). In practice, truth is a relative term. Those who believe in a sky god will say god is truth and do so with absolute conviction. Those who believe otherwise see truth as contextual. So to say that information is truthful, such as abortion causes breast cancer, is relative. To the medical establishment, such a connection is not true. To the prolife industry, the comment is true.
What I find particularly humorous, if not ignorant, is that those who believe in all these prolife industry “truths” are the same folks who trust physicians to follow standard medical practices in dermatology, cardiology, urology, internal medicine, pediatrics, and oncology—just not obstetrics and gynecology.
How one can intellectually partition their notions of truths like this, is perhaps magical thinking. But then again, these are the same people who believe that it’s OK to have a field day telling lies to women at abortion clinics.
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July 28, 2011 at 9:01 pm
More of Kate’s curve balls. There is only one truth that we have to deal with on this topic — you were alive before you were born.
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July 30, 2011 at 7:30 am
Dunkle – Hammered Again!!
Love it!!
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July 30, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Damn, why can’;t stop teaching these folks!
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July 29, 2011 at 2:34 pm
He means, “you were alive before you were human.”
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July 29, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Chuck thinks you were a squirrel, or something, before you were born.
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July 29, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Another stupid Dunkle comment.
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July 29, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Hey, Ty, you’re tough.
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July 30, 2011 at 7:31 am
That’s all Dunkle’s got, is stupid comments.
Oh yeah, And the desire to be a misogynistic curmudgeon.
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July 30, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Omit the comma in the first paragraph.
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July 30, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Stop calling people stupid! Discuss and make your point
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July 30, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Hey, I called him “tough”! (But you did read through the lines, didn’t you Scarlet. Love ya.)
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August 1, 2011 at 5:36 am
You are right Scarlet, Dunkle should make a point already.
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August 1, 2011 at 11:26 am
You Jewish too?
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July 31, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Life for any being is a spectrum. At one end, there is a life form which has all the cognition, self-awareness and responsibility of the northern half of a worm; at the other end is a being which faces imminent death. Between those two points are an infinite number at which that being’s nature and often its fate can be influenced and decided. But calling a life “human” is not influencing it or settling it to be so; that takes human nurture in a human society.
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July 29, 2011 at 10:34 pm
my experience was crushing. that is the truth for me.
for others, it has not been,and that is the truth for them,and i thank god that it was not for them,as it was for me.
for anyone to want someone else to be wounded emotionally or spiritually is evil.
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July 31, 2011 at 5:33 am
That is true “Roggie”!! I am sorry for the ordeal that you and your “gf” went
through…I am also glad that over the years both sides have developed effective counseling for women and there partners going through some issues post abortion!
You and I have talked about “Connect the Head and the Heart” which is a very excellent tool that can be used pre & post counseling… What so many of the anti’s just don’t want to admit is that “most” clinics do offer this type of counseling…NOT all women want it…they are sure of their decision and don’t need any additional counseling at the time..later some do and we are always their th help them..if need to send them to a counselor that is removed from the clinic…but is still very NON judgemental!!
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July 31, 2011 at 11:31 am
Well, Rog, whether the perps felt good or bad is not a significant truth. The significant truth is both babies got pulled apart.
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July 29, 2011 at 5:06 am
Here’s another lie from the radicalized religious fundamentalists: You’ll have to stand before God for your sins. And here’s a funny from FB friends:
A gay man dies and finds himself standing before St. Peter. A large rainbow flag is flying over the Pearly Gates. The man asks, “So, God doesn’t hate fags?” St. Peter replies, “God hates hate. I fly that flag just to mess with the Christian fundamentalists.” The man asks, “How do they react?” St. Peter says, “I’ll let you know if we ever get any.”
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July 29, 2011 at 8:06 am
See! Everybody believes!
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July 29, 2011 at 10:15 am
Abortion is here to stay.
Anti Abortion zealots are usually religious fanatics, so they cannot think clearly.
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July 29, 2011 at 2:22 pm
I laugh at almost everything they write they are so dumb!
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July 29, 2011 at 4:46 pm
“almost” — thank goodness my stuff still can make you shiver.
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July 31, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Dunkle Hammered again!!
What a fool.
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August 1, 2011 at 8:01 am
I like Hammer Time better. I sing it to Summer Time.
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July 29, 2011 at 10:18 am
Where can I get the Abortion Pill?
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July 29, 2011 at 12:50 pm
any den of iniquity
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July 29, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Just look up
Abortion.com
And you can find a Doctor that will get you the abortion pill.
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July 29, 2011 at 3:43 pm
That’s what I just said.
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July 30, 2011 at 7:34 am
You can also find Doctor’s offices that offer the Abortion Pill at
http://www.RU486.com
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July 31, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Don’t go to a CPC, they will give you misinformation, lie, and try to deceive you about the Abortion Pill.
Just visit a good OBGyn and you will get solid, objective information.
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July 31, 2011 at 1:59 pm
The thing you need to know about the abortion pill is that it will kill your baby.
If it were me I would want the information from a source that was NOT going to make money off my baby’s death like Ms. Carvin suggests. It’s a conflict of interest for the ones who make money off it to “counsel” about it.
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July 31, 2011 at 5:20 pm
I went to an office that does abortions and they were very very nice.
They were very objective.
They gave me literature, and all the options. They told me about adoption, and my alternatives, and they did not charge me a penny!
I am thankful to the kind care I was given at that office.
I am going to think about my decision as they suggested as I have some time.
DeAnna, why are you calling my pregnancy a baby?
I saw the sonogram (they put a probe in my Vagina) all that was visible was a little circle next to cells that will eventually form into a baby.
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July 31, 2011 at 6:47 pm
It is an unborn baby at an early stage of development. Technically it is an embryo and then later a fetus but that does not negate the fact that it is a developing baby. That “little circle” has it’s own distinct DNA, could have your eyes, your nose, your voice even. It is a person that will never be created again. What they will not tell you at the abortion clinics is that at 7-8 weeks it has arms, legs, a heart and a brain. Although it is very tiny at this stage it is still very human. It’s size does not decrease it’s position as a human. Only pro-choice propaganda does that.
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July 31, 2011 at 8:22 pm
I think it but d has the ability to say it.
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August 1, 2011 at 5:44 am
DeAnna,
you write to me as if I am dumb.
I know what those cells growing inside of me are.
They were very nice at the office that does abortions and showed me a chart of the cells’ development. They did not lie or misrepresent anything. Why are you saying they did? You were not there.
They offered me choices, no pressure, and took no money.
Why do act as if you know what happened? How can YOU possibly know what they told me or did not tell me? You are a very narrow-minded and presumptuous person.
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August 1, 2011 at 8:11 am
Because as a group that’s how they roll. They make money off killing babies. Therefore they cannot be trusted to tell you the truth. That “group of cells” as you put it is part of the propaganda language. As is “products of conception”, “contents of the uterus” and “abortion the pregnancy”. It’s all designed to take away the humanity of the unborn developing baby. Call it what you will but that does not change what it is. It is a human and they want you to pay them to kill it so it isn’t surprising that they were playing nicey nice.
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August 1, 2011 at 4:29 pm
DeAnna,
98+ % of that DNA homogenizes with Bonobo and Chimp DNA.
A large percentage is the exactly the same as DNA in an earthworm.
It is not that distinct. It is mostly the same as in other species.
Mitochondrial DNA is even higher rate of similarity.
Stop misleading people.
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August 1, 2011 at 4:25 pm
I went to a pregnancy center today.
They lied to me extensively.
I’ve done reading.
They said most pregnant people die if they take the Abortion pill and that is not true.
They kept trying to scare me and telling me I was going to their Hell.
The sono, they pointed out arms and legs and fully formed organs.
I had an official soon earlier and there is no way this pregnancy is that far along.
It seems DeAnna, you do not know how the Abortion offices roll. But it does appear the pregnancy centers roll in a very devious and deceitful way.
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August 1, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Sure thing. The CPC’s are full of evil villains and the people who want to take money to kill babies are the good guys. ok, whatever you say.
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August 2, 2011 at 10:48 am
Why do you say that?
I just described my experience.
The liars and deviants were at the Pregnancy center.
The honest people were at the office that does Abortions.
This is exactly opposite to what you said earlier, when you were giving (now I know) really bad advice.
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August 2, 2011 at 11:58 am
Because Cindy it is very obvious what you are doing. You are most likely not even pregnant. All you want to do is make pregnancy centers look bad. SO go ahead. Have at it. I’m not going to argue with you. The facts are that if you were in a true crisis situation you wouldn’t be on here trying to argue with me. You would have other things on your mind.
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August 2, 2011 at 12:19 pm
DeAnna,
I saw something stupid that you wrote on FaceBook.
You are a typical person that does not know how to think.
I am Pro Life and people like you are harming our cause.
Here, this women gives her story and instead of admitting to the facts when they do not fit your world view you cop out by calling her a liar.
DeAnna, you harm all the Pro Lifers that are trying to get real work done by making us look stupid.
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July 29, 2011 at 2:25 pm
I just helped a stranger load 112 cans of formula into his car. His family gets it through the WIC program, and he was about as proud of the stuff as I am of my 2.5hp leafblower. He ought to be, because it costs $16 a can, and his kid– not a baby, a toddler– drinks almost four a day. That’s about $1772 a month! Over $21,000 a year. He must be rich.
Except he was bragging that he doesn’t pay for it– a government program does. I checked it out, and that program–WIC– spends $7.5 billion a year buying formula for babies and food for women.
So, so-called “pro-lifers”: how do you feel about wasteful government spending, given that right now the House of Representatives is trying to kill that program along with a lot of other wasteful ones?
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July 29, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I would rather my tax money go to pay for baby formula -even for toddlers- than pay to kill that same baby through Planned Parenthoods million dollars per day tax money winnings via Obama. Not to mention Marie Stopes and the various other programs that get tax money to kill babies with.
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July 29, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I was damn near dead on this blog, and then she arrived.
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July 29, 2011 at 10:18 pm
But isn’t paying for formula government intervention?
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July 30, 2011 at 4:09 am
Yeah, it is, Even two kin folk getting together to help is kind of a government. And actually a better government because they are closer to the problem. The smaller the better — subsidiarity.
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July 29, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Deanna,
You don’t get any choice about your tax money. Neither do I. I’d rather not have any of my taxes go to Republicans, fake pregancy clinics, religious organizations, military intiatives, religious cults, and such. Fortunately, we live in a democracy, at least in name only.
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July 31, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Deanna, the Republicans are trying to kill the WIC program, yet they say they are “pro-life”! How do you look at this?
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July 31, 2011 at 1:55 pm
If it’s true (I have not seen a reliable news source for this)then it is infuriating. They have no right to cut funding for children especially not in light of the fact that Planned Parenthood is still being funded.
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July 29, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Well, if we’re going to cut off help to women, senior citizens and to the poor, let’s go ahead and do it all. Starve the little bastards. Make the senior citizens eat cat food. Make young teens and young women have babies for other women, like Joyce suggested, as a part time job. I’d love to see her Brianna cranking out white kids so J dog could place the little boogers up for adoption. It’d be a great industry for Orefield and would make St. Joseph the Worker and Parkland High proud.
After all, if the Republicans want to cut off WIC, Medicare, Medicaid, TANFF and other social support programs, what are the alternatives? Call the prolifers! They offer real help and real support.
Call 1-800-PRO-LIFE
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July 29, 2011 at 10:25 pm
If you want a white baby or you want to join her in the pretense of compassion, call Joyce @ 610-366-1392. You can also find her listing in the church bulletin at St. Thomas More, Allentown PA listing under “peaceful, prayerful” presence.
I beg to differ.
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July 30, 2011 at 4:15 am
Boy, Kate, Joyce is the hot tin roof and you’re the cat. I don’t know what deanna looks like, but if she”s anywhere near as attractive as Joyce, you’d hate her even more.
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July 30, 2011 at 9:50 am
I really hope this is not a real phone number. Are we resorting to high school bullying techniques now, posting personal phone numbers and talking about people’s clothing and looks and posting church names? All because we disagree with them? And this juvenile behavior from a college professor? I wonder what would happen if someone posted the college professor’s work number and college name? I wonder what the college president would think of how their school is being represented? They may not care but then again they may. I wonder what the newspaper would think of a college professor bullying someone she politically disagrees with? It’s something to think about isn’t it?
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July 30, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Deanna,
My work information is public knowledge so your scare tactics are nothing more than hot air. As for Joyce’s number, it’s also public information as she posts it in bulletins which are online and on pamphlets. Go ahead and call the newspaper or ask one of your local prolifers to do. It’s not bullying just because you don’t like it, toots.
And as for the college professor assumptions, my work in observing and documenting anti abortion terrorism has undergone an institutional review board, as with all research in our institution. Even when Joyce lied about my videotaping clients in one of her pamphlets, the information was shared with the provost and my chair. They’re well aware of what I do and what the prolifers do, print, and say.
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July 30, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Just so you are better informed, what I do is called academic freedom. I choose my own interests which are social justice issues around race & media and reproductive rights. Both general areas are ruffle the feathers of some. I’m used to the pranks of juvenile racists and school yard bullies at abortion clinics.
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July 30, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Ask the prolifers about high school bullying techniques like calling volunteers stiff-necked Jews or fag boys or telling every person who will listen that prochoicers are murderers. And let me remind you, deanna, using your cop out, I’m just stating facts.
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July 30, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Thought so. Kate’s outrageous behavior is backed up and approved by the bosses at Muhlenberg College. That’s Muhlenberg College in
Allentown, Pennsylvania, folks, just in case you’re thinking of sending one of your kids there.
I hate to bring this up, but Kate’s forcing me to. Kate’s husband, Jimmy, as far as I know, is the only person over there who’s called someone else a fag. I thought this was strange since Kate has installed herself as champion of the perverts, but life is strange.
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July 30, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Just so you’re really clear about where I reside:
I’m an assistant professor in the department of media and communication at Muhlenberg College. My name is Kathryn L. Ranieri. You can send me all your emails/hate mail to ranieri@muhlenberg.edu.
If you would like the address of the College, it is 2400 Chew Street, Allentown, PA 18104. Our institution is a Lutheran-founded school which, currently, is approximately 37% Jewish and we’re quite pleased with our religious diversity.
And while I’m listing some things, let me also share that I’m an (awarded) Air Force officer with specialities with in-flight evacuation, neonatal intensive care evacuation, labor/delivery, La Leche guide, La Maze instructor and general, all-round great labor/delivery nurse. In my nursing stint, I made home visits to moms who needed special care because the A.F. didn’t provide La Leche instruction. But, you folks are worried about my presence at an abortion clinic. Like Deanna loves to say:You Don’t know me.
Deanna yammers on endlessly and needlessly and fearfully about people not really knowing her. I’ll tell you this: I’ve delivered babies with my own hands when no one (as in, no doctor) was available but I did so because I was trained, ready, accepting and loving toward women. I’ve never killed a woman, a baby, a fetus. I’ve spent hours with women in labor.I’ve fought with every technique known to medicine to save a newborn. I’ve also flown from northern Maine to Boston with a child who had a fractured skull (because mom slipped on the ice and dropped him) and tended to him and to his mother with utmost care. I’ve worked to save children who are born. I’ve been there for women when their own doctors weren’t there. But, be that as it may, I’m pretty clear about who I am and how I’ve helped women. I’ve personally delivered seven babies, yet, my detractors, those who are clueless and quick to judge, call me a
murderer, satan, or a vulgar vampire.
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July 31, 2011 at 8:40 am
“I’ve never killed a woman, a baby, a fetus.”
Yes you have. When you walk women into the clinic you helped kill the baby. When you advocate for abortion you help kill the baby. When you make one-sided documentaries you help kill the baby. You also help wound the women and perhaps even someday kill one when you argue that abortion will not hurt her and then she does it. You helped!
As for your list of accomplishments goes, you have done well for yourself. Congratulations! But know this: None of those things erase the fact that you argue for people to kill babies and none of those things erase the fact that you lack morality in your baby killing arguing, and none of it erases the fact that you have questionable character when you attack people, call them names, and generally show yourself as being hateful towards anyone who disagrees with you on the issue of abortion.
And in the end when you die and you stand before your maker that you deny exists and He asks you about your life, all of those accomplishments will be rubbish. You will stand ashamed of your sin in helping kill babies and hating those who oppose it. Today is not the only day that matters. It’s something to think about.
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July 31, 2011 at 10:08 am
DeAnna,
when you subsidize any individual that helps an office run that does abortion or it’s staff you are helping abortion choice.
When you pay an electric bill, use a plumber or carpenter, buy office supplies from the same company that the doctor’s office does.
DeAnna, you are complicit as well.
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July 31, 2011 at 11:28 am
I do not EVER go to doctors that do abortions.
The rest of your claims about power companies are ridiculous. I pay for my power. That has nothing to do with the other people who get power from that company. Thats a huge stretch. At any rate it is very different than people who escort the mothers into the clinic and argue for abortion on a regular basis. They advocate for it. I fight against it. Two completely different things.
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July 31, 2011 at 12:59 pm
DeAnna,
how do you know any doctor you have ever been to has never done any abortion? Or does not support reproductive rights?
You will be hard to find an OBGyn that does not offer the Birth Control that you don’t like.
I am very skeptical about your absurd claim. You are part of the system, and you help support abortion, even though you do not like it.
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July 31, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Because it matters to me and I check them out then I ask the doctor to their face when I get there..I have walked out of doctors offices before because they could not give me a straight pro-life answer. I only go to vocal pro-life doctors. No exceptions.
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July 31, 2011 at 5:25 pm
DeAnna,
You have never been to an OBGyn that provides Birth Control Pills?
Seriously.
Plus, you have no idea if they have ever done it in the past. You cannot get through residency without prescribing BCP. It is not allowed to exclude yourself from such basic OBGyn knowledge. So you are, as usual, FOS.
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July 31, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Karen,
Did i say I was against Birth Control Pills? No. I did not. You assume too much,
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August 1, 2011 at 5:47 am
DeAnna,
You said you were against abortifacients.
Birth control Pills do that.
Remember what the Morning After Pill is made of?
You are so disingenuous again.
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August 1, 2011 at 8:13 am
Some do some don’t….as I said I go to very vocal pro-life doctors. I know where they stand.
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August 2, 2011 at 10:52 am
DeAnna,
Apparently you do not, as you do not know whether they prescribe abortifacients, by your own admission.
These doctors may be doing more abortions than doctors that do surgical abortions.
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July 31, 2011 at 12:35 pm
If Joyce posted that number publicly, then Kate’s merely helping her in her calling….
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July 31, 2011 at 2:04 pm
No Kate was being a bully. But maybe some good will come from it. Maybe someone wanting an abortion will call and talk to Joyce and decide to keep her baby.
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July 31, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Who is this Joyce?
She sounds like another Pro Life screwball.
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July 31, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Hammer Time, the only screwball around here is you. (just kidding, there are others)
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July 30, 2011 at 7:36 am
Kate Hammers the Pro lifers again!
There is no comparison between the intellect of a person that supports women’s rights and a ProLifer. The Pro Lifers are always on the stupid end of the stick!
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July 30, 2011 at 9:54 am
Stupid stupid stupid pro-lifers. Who can stand them with all of their oozing stupidity? I mean really, all of that talk about not killing babies, how ignorant can they be? What do they think, that this is the dark ages? Don’t they know that killing babies is a good thing now in our enlightened age? Stupid stupid pro-lifers!
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July 30, 2011 at 10:15 am
DeAnna,
your writings are the best example of an inability to support your positions.
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July 30, 2011 at 11:00 am
Oh yeah? Well, provide documentation to prove that what I say is invalid then. You like to say how stupid pro-lifers are so prove it with documentation that counters what I have said.
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July 30, 2011 at 12:46 pm
love the responses—
oh, yeah?
prove it!
sounds like a school yard bully to me.
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July 31, 2011 at 8:42 am
If it is stated that I do not know what I am talking about asking them (and you) to prove it is perfectly acceptable. They like to get on here and spew that out so let them explain themselves if they can. The reality is that they cannot so this is why they never try to make the effort to prove me wrong.
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July 31, 2011 at 10:10 am
DeAnna,
You prove yourself wrong, there is no need to add.
Your ridiculous writings are apparent to any one with intelligence.
I noticed you got slammed on FaceBook as well, with your uneducated poor answer to the question.
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July 31, 2011 at 11:23 am
I provide documentation for what I say. If you do not agree then provide documentation for what you say. Then we will compare. But there is no way to compare logical documentation with your Kate cheerleading episodes. All you have said is Hoo-Rah Kate stupid pro-lifers!
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July 29, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Way up in this chain someone asked who Dunkle is.
Just Google
Dunkle abortion
and you’ll see way more links than you really want. I suggest
http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/gonzales-v-dunkle
Its a federal lawsuit he lost during the GWB era. You’ll also see his Abortion is Murder website. Just keep a barf bag handy.
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July 29, 2011 at 8:06 pm
The really sad part about this case is that Dunkle represented himself and did so while his wife had to be comforted by others in the courtroom. The man has no respect for his wife, to put her through all these machinations. In fact, despite his claims, Dunkle is a selfish old man.
About three years ago, JD claimed that he never disrespects any woman. Yet he yells at women at abortion clinics about the air being poisoned inside or about arms and legs being torn off or about dying within one year or about entering breast cancer alley. I asked him on videotape if he still yelled at women at the clinic and he said he did because he wants a woman to remember the day as the “worst day of her life, like going through the gates of Hell.” And he claimed that he never disrespects any woman.
In February 2010, he commented on my blog “My comments never “threaten, demean, or decrease the civility of discussion,” yet his immediate presence, a loud, male stranger within 24-36 inches away from a female patient, is threatening. His yelling decreases civility while his lies about breast cancer and death are demeaning.
Dunkle = NO RESPECT.
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July 29, 2011 at 10:37 pm
>>>I asked him on videotape if he still yelled at women at the clinic and he said he did because he wants a woman to remember the day as the “worst day of her life, like going through the gates of Hell.”<<<
that is EVIL
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July 30, 2011 at 4:35 am
Well folks, there’s more to it than both these killers’ helpers would have you believe. I yell at the AWC because the deathscorts there (deathscorts are activist killers’ helpers) surround the victims and talk to them loudly to try to drown out our prolife message. I would prefer Allentown to be like Reading. There, with no deathscorts, one of our prolife women talks softly to the pregnant woman. However, I do believe that making the gate of hell sound like the Gates of Hell is a good second choice.
Except for “lies” Kate is right about everything else she says here. My poor wife. It’s amazing what a woman will go through when she’s wild about you. I even called on her to come up as a witness, though I forget why. Then I called up Eric Schmidt, back in those days a die hard killers’ helper, but my friend through it all. And finally I called up Mary Blanks, a former baby killer whom I’d hounded out of the business. I just wanted to get her on record committing perjury.
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July 30, 2011 at 6:53 am
Dunkle = Evil = 1 + 1 = 2
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July 30, 2011 at 7:37 am
HS! That Dunkle guy is a loony tune!
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July 31, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Thanks David, that guy is horrific!
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August 1, 2011 at 8:11 am
When I read what you guys say, I am amazed that you are able to understand and spell correctly words like “loony” and “horrific.”
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July 29, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Examples of lies that prolifers use to advertise their industry:
When a protester tells a client “you know in your heart that abortion is wrong,” they (J Dog and her pack of wolves) immediately position themselves as morally superior to the client. Essentially, it’s the Scarlett Letter tactic, verbally Othering the woman as a Hester Prynne. And, on occasion, a protester will tell a woman that abortion is murder; again, marking the woman as Other, as a murderer, the prolifer as morally superior.
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July 30, 2011 at 4:43 am
Isn’t this foolish! How else are you going to tell someone he’s making a mistake, like diving into a shallow pond? Course you’re not saying you’re morally superior; all you’re saying is that in this instance you know more than he.
And that “murderer” stuff. Legally, today, it’s not murder, and morally God knows. I prefer to think the murderer is Kate herself because she does so much to promote the killings, but it is probably I because I do so little to prevent them.
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July 29, 2011 at 9:27 pm
More lies from Prolifers:
A “tautology” is using different words to say the same thing even if the repetition does not provide clarity.
Here’s a few examples from a prolife tautology meister, a young Port Carbon fellow named Nathaniel:
Truth must be defined clearly to be completely true.
-OR-
Truth is true regardless of us.
-OR-
The definitions are not ours; they are true by virtue of being true themselves.
So, does that clear things up?
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July 30, 2011 at 7:39 am
It does for me!
Thanks!
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July 29, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Reading the Gallup Poll means moving beyond what you want to see, which side favors your own beliefs—legal, moral, age, gender, political affiliation, no legal abortions at all vs a few exceptions.
I urge you to read the fine print….
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147734/Americans-Split-Along-Pro-Choice-Pro-Life-Lines.aspx
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July 30, 2011 at 9:58 am
The fine print? Really, fine print? It’s there in huge black and white in your face print!
“On this basis, Americans are rather conservative in their stance on abortion, with 61% now preferring that abortion be legal in only a few circumstances or no circumstances. By contrast, 37% want abortion legal in all or most circumstances.” Gallup May 2011
Face it Kate, you’re out numbered!
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July 30, 2011 at 10:17 am
Emmy,
Bottom line –
Most people in America think Abortion is OK sometimes.
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July 30, 2011 at 11:02 am
Those circumstances are the life of the mother, rape, and incest.
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August 2, 2011 at 10:57 am
They are what they are, and you DeAnna, are even more conservative than the most conservative Pro Lifers you describe above.
Don’t forget the vast majority of people believe that abortifacient Birth Control is OK.
That makes you in a very, very tiny minority of thought.
That makes you irrelevant.
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August 2, 2011 at 12:00 pm
I would rather be in a tiny tiny minority than advocate for abortion, which is of course advocating for the killing of unborn babies. So, if that makes me so conservative that I’m a freak, well, so be it!
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August 2, 2011 at 12:21 pm
OK,
you got it.
You are a self admitted freak.
Now stop harming our cause, and do something productive.
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July 30, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Deanna cherry picking again. Here you go.
The plurality of Americans, 50%, continue to choose the middle position on this, saying abortion should be legal under certain circumstances, as majorities or pluralities have since 1975.
On this basis, Americans are rather conservative in their stance on abortion, with 61% now preferring that abortion be legal in only a few circumstances or no circumstances.
Men and women are nearly identical in their views about the legality and morality of abortion, as well as in the percentage labeling themselves “pro-choice” vs. “pro-life.”
By contrast, adults 55 and older have somewhat more conservative views on abortion than do young and middle-aged Americans. This is most pronounced with respect to the abortion labels. Majorities of adults under 55 call themselves “pro-choice,” while about half of those 55 and older are “pro-life.”
Notably, adults 18 to 34 are neither more nor less supportive of abortion rights than those aged 35 to 54. This conforms to a recent Gallup review of abortion trends by age, which shows younger and middle-aged adults’ views converging since 2000.
Gallup finds much stronger distinctions in abortion views along partisan lines. Two-thirds of Republicans call themselves pro-life, while two-thirds of Democrats are pro-choice. Independents’ stance on abortion is closer to Democrats’ than Republicans’ stance, with 51% calling themselves “pro-choice” and 41% “pro-life.”
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July 30, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Then there’s the Pew Research report:
“Public opinion on the legality of abortion has remained relatively stable for well over a decade, with slight majorities of the public consistently saying they favor keeping abortion legal. Polling conducted between 1995 and 2008 reveals that support for keeping abortion legal in all or most cases has fluctuated between 49% and 61% over the 13-year time period. Fewer Americans have tended to express support for making abortion illegal in all or most cases, ranging from a low of 36% to a high of 48% over the same period of time.”
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July 30, 2011 at 8:04 pm
So, Deanna, what is your analysis of Gallup’s distinctions along partisan lines?
***Gallup finds much stronger distinctions in abortion views along partisan lines. Two-thirds of Republicans call themselves pro-life, while two-thirds of Democrats are pro-choice. Independents’ stance on abortion is closer to Democrats’ than Republicans’ stance, with 51% calling themselves “pro-choice” and 41% “pro-life.”***
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July 31, 2011 at 8:46 am
Of course most Republicans are pro-life. The official Republican platform is pro-life. A lot of Republicans are Republicans because of the abortion issue. They do not believe it is moral to kill babies so they fight it legislatively.
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July 31, 2011 at 10:11 am
There are some idiot Republicans that want to get rid of birth control, or think that one cell is a baby.
What a bunch of boneheads.
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July 31, 2011 at 11:42 am
Yo, Ted, I’ll bet there’s some idiot bonehead somewhere who thinks you’re human!
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July 30, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Here’s a few more polls
http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
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July 31, 2011 at 11:20 am
The only source on that page that is neutral is Gallop and we have already discussed that one.
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July 30, 2011 at 4:40 pm
>>>“On this basis, Americans are rather conservative in their stance on abortion, with 61% now preferring that abortion be legal in only a few circumstances or no circumstances.<<<
if someone approves of direct abortion being legal under ANY circumstances, that means they are pro-choice.
DERRRRR!
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July 30, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Fine print! Details. Looking beyond the pictures. Don’t just read the headlines.
Fine print: Learn how to read their survey methods, the regional differences and the implications of those differences–so forth….the fine print.
So, I give. I’m outnumbered by prolifers who refuse to accept standards, logic and internationally accepted methods of research. I’m facing it.
Sweet, Jesus in heaven. I’ve met my match in the southern belle of the bible belt. Praise Jesus and pass the turnip greens.
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July 31, 2011 at 8:49 am
It might do you good to visit the Bible belt on occasion and eat turnip greens. Apparently they help people understand that killing babies is immoral. Must be the iron in them.
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July 31, 2011 at 10:14 am
I have lived in the Bible Belt.
Some of the dumbest people in our country are there.
The states are among the poorest.
There is per capita less innovation are intellectual capacity in the Bible Belt.
Overrepresented demographically.
As well, they tend to be more racist and bigoted.
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July 31, 2011 at 11:07 am
WOW! You pro-choicers never cease to amaze me. Now you are insulting an entire region of people? The Civil War ended a while back. You can let it go now. No need for that.
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July 31, 2011 at 11:44 am
Yo, Ted, one fewer since you left.
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July 31, 2011 at 1:03 pm
I agree, on average the Bible belt is still the most pathetic part of our nation.
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July 31, 2011 at 1:29 pm
“I agree, on average Karen and Ted are still the most pathetic part of our blog.”
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July 30, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Here’s a more nuanced reading of the Gallup poll along party lines with respect to abortion. Note the regional discrepancies which skew the survey.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147941/Republicans-Unified-Democrats-Abortion.aspx
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July 30, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Here’s another bit of research from Pew from March 2011 that states:
Support for legal abortion is higher among Democrats and independents than among Republicans. Nearly two-thirds of Democrats (65%) say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, as do 58% of independents. Among Republicans, just 34% support legal abortion.
http://people-press.org/2011/03/03/section-3-attitudes-toward-social-issues/
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July 31, 2011 at 9:44 pm
The very reason why I will never be a Democrat. They believe that killing babies is ok!
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August 1, 2011 at 5:50 am
Again, typical generalization.
DeAnna loses credibility. Cannot lose anymore, she is at the bottom of the Cred scale.
There are a lot of Democrats that are Pro Life.
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August 1, 2011 at 8:15 am
Yes, but the official platform of the democratic party is pro-choice.
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July 30, 2011 at 11:38 am
Geez, I can’t keep up with you folks. Let me ask this: Johnny Boy, exactly how did you “hound” Mary out of business? Did Mary actually admit that it was you who made her quit?? Just the facts, John, just the facts.
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July 30, 2011 at 10:11 pm
No she didn’t. All I know is that I showed her that if she continued killing people, I would be standing in front of her house holding my A KILLER LIVES HERE sign, and now she’s working outside the killing industry. What do you think, Pat?
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July 31, 2011 at 10:18 am
This is what cracks me up, John. Hate to be technical, but your “evidence” is really circumstantial. Unless she says it, you cannot prove that it was you who made her quit and, indeed, it is unlikely. But you took credit anyway. Hmmmm. Is that a way for you to convince your wife you’re doing the right thing? Chuckles, what would you say oh wise one?
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July 31, 2011 at 11:49 am
I gotta tell myself that, Pat. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have the energy to use the same tactics on other killers, and one of their enablers (Jen).
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July 31, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Well, let’s see: He claimed to have escaped the Holocaust (later retracted); he claimed to have taught in Bedford-Stuyvesant (no evidence provided to support it); he claims to have done good deeds for innumerable youngsters at some great cost to himself (again, unsupported); he claims to care for human life (no evidence provided beyong attending soccer games and baby-sitting); and he claims to act to keep fetuses from being tortured (not true). So, I would take this latest claim with a grain of salt.
It appears that it is just another product from a so-called “pro-lifer’s” PR mode, in which he tries to show he’s a hero, but only by defining for himself just what it is that a hero does.
It is rather entertaining to see him on this site acting like the equivalent of Merrill Lynch on Wall Street in the credit default swap years– “Kin I play? Kin I play? Huh? Huh?”
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July 31, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Merrill Lynch! Are you kidding me? One of your killers’ helpers buddies above, Chuck, says I’m god! And god do not have to support what he say. God just say it and you better believe it.
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July 30, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Here’s a fact that most of the num nuts fail to realize:
Many OB-GYN physicians fill in for the doctors at abortion clinics, even the prolife docs….so it just goes to show you that the prolifers are
CLUELESS!!!!!!!
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July 31, 2011 at 8:50 am
Documentation please?
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July 31, 2011 at 10:15 am
Another example:
DeAnna = Clueless = 1 + 1 = 2
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July 31, 2011 at 11:14 am
Asking for documentation is clueless? Um NO! Kate made a statement that needs to be backed up with proof or otherwise it is baseless.
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July 31, 2011 at 1:07 pm
DeAnna,
what you say, from reading your past writings, is implicitly clueless.
Can’t write a dissertation on your stupidity every time you make a moronic statement.
I gotta work to pay some taxes!
We don’t all have the luxury of living of the hard work of others!
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July 31, 2011 at 1:35 pm
That’s enough from you, Karen. You’re wasting my time. Beat it.
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July 31, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Karen just supply one then. Just ONE documented rebuttal……..only one……….
You can spout off all day about taxes and time and stupid pro-lifers and blah blah blah but until you provide some documentation in response to my statements then you are proving that you have nothing to say.
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July 30, 2011 at 1:37 pm
I’m not good at passing on links, but (hopefully) here is an interesting article about a woman visiting a crisis pregnancy center. Would be very interested in our friend’s reactions: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/11/05/2010-11-05_abortions_foes_resort_to_deception_what_i_found_when_i_went_to_a_crisis_pregnanc.html
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July 30, 2011 at 5:36 pm
More Pro Life Terrorism.
http://www.salon.com/news/terrorism/?story=/politics/war_room/2011/07/30/planned_parenthood_terrorism
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July 31, 2011 at 6:22 am
I hate to sound so synical..but it would be interesting to follow some one in there car with their 1 months worth of formula for a child that is over 1 yr old and…..what they do with it!!
With a value of $16 per day consuming 4 per day!! That could be a tidy little profit on the black market!! I have seen many toddlers in the stores and they are not sucking on bottles of formula {some are many though are not!!}
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July 31, 2011 at 9:00 am
$16 can of formula or $1 million to Planned Parenthood. Who cares about the formula? Stop funding baby killing then work of WIC frauds. It a priority thing.
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July 31, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Unless it’s got some possibility as being a mileage enhancer, there’s no black market for this. Powdered formula is used to cut heroin, and there was a spate of stories of shoppers mysteriously cleaning out grocery store inventories.
this particular type is needed only by kids with grave nutritional uptake problems. If they can’t get it, the best thing that can happen to them is to die. If they don’t die, their best life outcome will be smiling through their drool when you drop a nickel into their tin cup.
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July 31, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Then maybe the kid really needs it. What kind of “grave nutritional uptake problem” is it for? Is it PKU? If so they need that formula for life and MUST drink 4 of them per day to survive. If this is what you are talking about then absolutely YES WIC should supply it for low/middle income families as it is EXTREMELY expensive and beyond the average families reach and a lot of insurance companies refuse to pay for it. It is technically medically necessary formula but insurance companies get around it by claiming that it is food. Crooks!
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July 31, 2011 at 10:21 am
[…] For the last few days, we’ve been talking a lot about Crisis Pregnancy Centers (CPC). […]
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July 31, 2011 at 10:21 am
By law, government dollars given to PPFA are not allowed to be used for abortions. But I’ll betcha that Deanna has found that clinic in Des Moines or Tuscaloosa that somehow spent $3.25 cents on a notepad that was used to scribble down an appointment for abortion, right??
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July 31, 2011 at 10:40 am
DeAnna,
If what Pat says is true, then why did you say:
*****
$16 can of formula or $1 million to Planned Parenthood. Who cares about the formula? Stop funding baby killing then work of WIC frauds. It a priority thing.
******
?
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July 31, 2011 at 11:10 am
Yeah, but we all know about Planned Parenthood putting all of their money in one big bucket and using it for whatever. Our tax dollars given to them for “healthcare” just frees them up to use other funds for baby killing.
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July 31, 2011 at 1:09 pm
How do you know?
Have you done cost accounting on PP?
Have you gone through their accounting?
Are speaking lies again?
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July 31, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Because I and tons of other people have done research into the issue of PP and tax funding. It is on their IRS 990 form so yes, I have see their accounting. They take 1 million dollars per day of tax money and don’t technically use it to do abortions but they use it for things like rent and power bills and salaries so that they can do abortions. No lies.
By the way. You accuse be of lying. Exactly what have I lied about? Quote me word for word then provide documentation to show it is a lie or otherwise your claims that I have lied are baseless.
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July 31, 2011 at 5:35 pm
DeAnna,
you wrote:
*****
$16 can of formula or $1 million to Planned Parenthood. Who cares about the formula? Stop funding baby killing then work of WIC frauds. It a priority thing.
******
Where does it say that PP is allotted funds for “baby killing.”
Specifically support your claim.
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July 31, 2011 at 7:21 pm
It says that they are given 1 million per day to support their other stuff which frees up money for them to use to fund abortions. I made that very clear. They are not stupid enough to come right out and say they use it for abortions. Because that would be ….cough cough……immoral. So they just do it a different way.
Which is why this bill was introduced.
govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3
Here is a quote from their 990 explaining what they do with tax money.
SERVICE TO THE FIELD OF FAMILY PLANNING – USA DOMESTIC-CENTERED PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO ENSURE THE FEDERATION’S LEADERSHIP IN SERVICE TO THE ENTIRE FIELD OF FAMILY PLANNING AND REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE,INCLUDING ADVOCACY, MEDICAL SERVICES AND EDUCATION. and INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE – FAMILY PLANNING – PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO ADVANCE THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH AND THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN AND THEIR
FAMILIES OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.
plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PPFA_FY09_Form_990_Copy_for_Public_Inspection.PDF
In their own words they make it clear what they use the money for.
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August 1, 2011 at 5:53 am
There you go DeAnna,
you are your worst enemy.
You just proved yourself an embellisher and lier again.
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August 1, 2011 at 8:18 am
How is that? I provided word for word documentation to prove my point with the address of the source. go look it up id you don’t believe it.
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July 31, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Love it!!!!!!!
DeAnna – Hammered Again!
Is there one Pro Lifer besides Rogelio that is not a complete moron?
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August 1, 2011 at 8:21 am
“Is there one Pro Lifer in addition to Rogelio who is complete moron?” No, but there would be, Hammer time, if you switched sides.
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July 31, 2011 at 11:11 am
Not to mention the Mexico City Policy that funds abortions via the same means.
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July 31, 2011 at 12:16 pm
the Republican position is “pro-life” not because they value life, but because they know that people who hate abortion can be counted on to vote their hatred. As one of a number of “values groups” (e.g., race, religion, guns and abortion), so-called “pro-lifers” can provide enough votes in conjunction with the others to give the Republicans a majority, where they then proceed to eliminate government oversight in business (as in credit card interest rates and subprime mortgaging), which leaves the people who voted them in at the mercy of the people who want their money. Thomas Frank said it; I’ve quoted it before, and I’ll quote it again: “Republicans campaign on the premise that government is bad for you; when elected, they proceed to prove it.”
Anybody who thinks the Republican party is “pro-life” for the sake of the fetus, the woman or even the family is tragically deceived.
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July 31, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Anybody who took twelve years of public school history classes is unaware how the South was basically a colony of the United States for 110 years after it lost the Civil War. Deprived of a large degree of self-rule (although it got Plessy v. Ferguson) the South nursed its feelings, real and imagined, of inferiority, grievance and revenge. Two things saved it: Southern senators got billions in Federal investment as military and civilian programs were located in the South, and with that cash to fuel infrastructure, air conditioning was not far behind.
The result was that a large number of educated people flowed southward and began the healing that was inconceivable for a hundred years postbellum. That is not to say that the old attitudes have died or even dwindled, but change is on the way. Meanwhile, the whites who hate the government, hate Catholics, blacks, Jews or Eastern Europeans, birth control, abortion, and anything else, still survive in large numbers and can be counted on to let their hatred override their self-interest in the voting booth.
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