For the last few days, we’ve been talking a lot about Crisis Pregnancy Centers (CPC).
If you are pro-life, these CPCs are establishments that seek to offer pregnant women (or non pregnant women, for that matter) information about their options. The staff people at these centers sit back and wait for the women to come in, they then sit them down in, in a non-judgmental environment, tell them all about adoption, childbirth and abortion. Yes, their bottom line is that they are against abortion but they really just want to make sure that woman is educated and knows what resources are available to her should she decide to give birth.
If you are pro-choice, these centers lure women into their facility under false pretenses, pretend that they are a medical office by offering ultrasounds and fill the women’s heads with lies about how the perils, both emotional and physical, of this very easy procedure.
Coincidentally, in the wake of our discussions, legislation has been introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives and in the Senate called “Stop Deceptive Advertising in Women’s Service’s Act.” In their press release, the authors of the bills brought attention to the bill’s clever acronym: SDAWS.
Just kinda rolls off the tip of your tongue, doesn’t it?
If the bill became law, the Federal Trade Commission would be required to issues rules declaring that it is an “unfair or deceptive act” for a CPC to advertise that they are “a provider of abortion services.” The pro-choice groups are understandably elated and energized. One leader applauded the initiative and said “we should all agree that a woman should not be misled or manipulated when she’s facing an unintended pregnancy.” The troops are gearing up to storm the Congress to get this important legislation passed.
My initial reaction is that this is an incredible waste of time.
Now, I admit that I have not done a full-fledged review of every CPC in the country, but I would bet that house that hardly any of them actually advertise that they “provide abortion services.” I mean, c’mon, even the sleaziest CPC staff person would never, with a straight face, say that. And if anyone can show me differently, I totally welcome the evidence and will offer a mea culpa.
Sure, many of them, if not most, say that they provide “abortion information,” but, technically, that is true. They do offer “information” on abortion, albeit in many cases it is the wrong information. But it is “information” nonetheless.
So, to me, the big question is: why are these pro-choice Members of Congress and the pro-choice groups spending time and resources on trying to pass a bill that – in the unlikely event that it becomes law – will have practically NO impact? And, for argument’s sake, let’s say the FTC does find a totally whacky CPC director who says in their Yellow Page ad that they provide abortion services. The FTC will theoretically bring some kind of action against them and chances are that that CPC will just agree to not say it in the future. And if they refuse to change their ways, maybe they’ll be shut down. Well, that leaves only THOUSANDS of more CPCs to go after! Way to go folks!
I certainly appreciate the energy of the authors of these bills and I am sure they will now get a nice donation from the pro-choice political action committees because they have shown they are pro-choice “leaders.” Meanwhile, they’ve issued their press releases and are getting some attention on pro-choice blogs, websites, etc.
But, in the long run, ain’t nothing gonna change.
And around and around we go….
Related articles
- It Sounds a Little Hypocritical to Me… (abortion.ws)
- These Pictures Speak a Thousand Words (abortion.ws)
- The Problem With The Abortion Debate (outofthegdwaye.wordpress.com)
- Pro-choice activists rally for abortion providers to keep counselling role (guardian.co.uk)
- Making Money From Abortion (abortion.ws)



July 31, 2011 at 10:33 am
Crisis Pregnancy Center Deception, Lies, and Misinformation.
That’s all a CPC is good for.
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July 31, 2011 at 11:23 am
Perceptive analysis, as usual, Pat. The only pro-death advantage I can see is that this is turning into a long, drawn out, and fierce war and every inch gained is coveted.
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August 1, 2011 at 1:39 pm
You may be right, John. I mean, it’s a nice gesture by the two members of congress but….well, it’s a nice gesture
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July 31, 2011 at 1:12 pm
They should just shut down all those CPCs that harm women.
Bunch of Catholic liars and thieves.
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July 31, 2011 at 8:13 pm
You are the liar and the thief, Karen, not the Catholics.
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August 1, 2011 at 5:29 am
Catholics have been murderers and thugs for centuries.
More Catholics have abortions than any other cult.
Catholics have plundered and stolen more wealth than any other religion.
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August 1, 2011 at 7:47 am
Well, ACS, at least you had sense enough to avoid identifying yourself as the author of these stupidities.
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August 1, 2011 at 1:40 pm
I like that, nice and simple argument, cuts to the chase,no rebuttal necessary. It’s just the way it is…
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July 31, 2011 at 3:56 pm
When false advertising puts anybody’s health at risk (e.g., tobacco ads), the law should include a hefty fine. If SDAWS does not include a hefty fine, it’s pointless.
Now, some so-called “pro-lifer” will come on and say, “Abortion puts a fetus’ life at risk!” Dramatic! Attention-getting! A statement that if repeated often enough might even get society to agree that they are Heroes Fighting Evil.
Except a fetus is only a human if the primary caretaker deems it so. Sorry you don’t have any power to change that, would-be heroes.
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July 31, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Chuckles repeats his third stupidity for the seventeenth time: “. . . a fetus is only a human if the primary caretaker deems it so.”
So someone is only human if her primary caretaker deems it so. Then all wards of the state may be executed. Then all the dependent elders may be executed. Then all the handicapped may be executed. Then everyone under seven may be executed.
You can reduce this guy’s arguments to absurdity, but you can’t discourage him.
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August 1, 2011 at 5:31 am
AbortiCentrism,
I enjoy your intelligent remarks.
Sadly those comments are too lofty to get through the diminished capacity of the Pro Life brain.
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August 1, 2011 at 7:49 am
Carrie, does the R stand for Retard?
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August 1, 2011 at 9:00 am
Typical Pro lifer to resort to name calling, its to be expected when someone disagrees with them
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August 1, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Forreal I mean being raised catholic makes one really understand that.
it’s almost like Childs play with him playing short is just as bad as fully saying that this stupidity, calling Karen the liar
and the theif, is the same stupidity contriving the blindness in crusades and ideology in the holocaust and Nazi regime your constant pillaging upon peoples lives their personal business’s makes your just a’s irrational!
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August 2, 2011 at 4:14 am
ugly, illiterate fury
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August 7, 2011 at 4:46 am
Here’s how it goes:
Carrie, “You’re stupid, Dunkle.”
Dunkle, “No, you’re stupid, Carrie.”
Cindy, “Dunkle, don’t call people names.”
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August 1, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Uh…sometimes his comments are too “lofty” for me as well…
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August 1, 2011 at 5:32 am
I agree, just shut down those evil CPC Mills.
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August 2, 2011 at 7:36 am
sometime I wonder if anyone is reading this blog of mine….Is there not one pro-choice person who DISAGREES with me on this one? Is there not anyone out there who thinks this legislation is a good idea and not a waste of time?
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August 2, 2011 at 8:57 am
The point of the legislation is not to get it passed, they know that is not going to happen. The point is to discredit the CPC’s so women will stop going to them. This makes me know that they are a real threat to the abortion industry. Why else would they care how many babies are saved from abortion? I mean you have to think about it….why do they care if women go to these CPC’s, deceptive or not, and change their minds about abortion?
It’s about the MONEY!
The abortion industry (PP and NARAL I’m sure) lobbies congress, congress gets all nicey nice with them because in turn they get contributions and votes, pointless laws get passed or at least talked about, the CPC’slook to the general public like the bad guys, women stop going, abortions continue full steam ahead, babies die, the machine keeps on turning.
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August 2, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Just returned from D.C., actually outside D.C. in Germantown where Dr. Carhart’s clinic is and where the antis had a rally and where we are having a peaceful presence all week. What I believe is a waste are the actions of the cowardly Democrats who have thrown women under the bus regarding abortion rights. The CPC advertsing is only one example of lies that the antis tell—there are others
“The prolife name is a lie because they prefer that women die.”
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August 2, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Dr.Carhart is infamous for doing late term abortions on viable babies. These are 3rd term abortions. It is nothing but feticide. And he was a big fan of partial birth abortions where the baby is partially born and then stabbed in the back of the head and it’s brains sucked out before it exits the birth canal.
Why would you advocate for him?
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August 2, 2011 at 3:36 pm
You said pro-lifers prefer women to die; What about this woman that Carhart killed?
“Christin was a sweet young teenager from Texas who had Down’s Syndrome. But despite her handicap, she attended high school and graduated from the special education program there. She was also the batgirl for the girls’ softball team, and she inspired her teammates to win the Texas State Championship for Girls Softball.
Christin was also a regular participant at her hometown Special Olympics. And she was known for her encouraging words and abundant hugs.
Christin was deeply loved by her entire community.
But because she had Down’s Syndrome, Christin was vulnerable. Very vulnerable.
Her tragedy began when she was sexually assaulted in her small town. Her loving spirit and trusting nature were betrayed by a sexual predator who took away her innocence by raping her. His criminal act resulted in Christin’s pregnancy.
Unfortunately, her parents “didn’t want” Christin to have a baby, so they took her to Wichita, Kansas—to George Tiller’s infamous late-term abortion mill.
That’s where LeRoy Carhart comes in. He frequently worked at Tiller’s mill—filling in for Tiller as needed—and he was the abortionist in charge of killing Christin’s baby.
Christin was in the third trimester of pregnancy. Carhart injected her baby’s heart with a poison that would cause it to stop beating. She was told she would “deliver a stillborn”… and was sent back to her hotel room with instructions to call ONLY the abortion mill (NOT a hospital) if something went wrong.
And something did go wrong. Horribly wrong.
Christin developed complications and returned to the abortion mill, where they misdiagnosed her condition as “dehydration”… gave her an IV… and sent her back to the hotel. (Not to a hospital where she belonged!)
As her autopsy later determined, the botched abortion caused Christin to develop a raging infection that had turned into sepsis, a very serious and often fatal blood infection.
Her condition at the hotel continued to deteriorate. She began having episodes of vomiting and unconsciousness. Her family finally took her back to the mill the next morning.
By this time, however, Christin was in serious trouble. According to one doctor who reviewed the autopsy report, she “bled and oozed from every orifice” as she developed a systemic blood disorder that caused her organs to begin to fail.
At Tiller’s mill, Carhart and the Tiller staff finally placed an emergency call to 911—begging the dispatcher to come with “No lights, no sirens!” Then they placed the 911 operator ON HOLD for forty-five critical seconds!
Meanwhile, Christin’s life ebbed away.
The ambulance finally arrived and rushed Christin “code blue” to the hospital–meaning a serious, life-threatening circumstance for the patient. At the hospital Emergency Room, the emergency workers were in a state of “near panic” as they rushed to save Christin’s life.
But they were too late.
Christin died a horrible, agonizing death at the hands of LeRoy Carhart and the staff at George Tiller’s infamous abortion mill.”
Yep, Carhart sounds like the hero to me.
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August 2, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Christin Gilbert, a 19-year-old woman with Down Syndrome from Keller, Texas, died in January 2005 after a multi-day abortion procedure performed at Tiller’s facility. Reports conflict as to whether the abortion was performed by Tiller or by LeRoy Carhart. Gilbert had been 28 weeks pregnant. The autopsy stated that Gilbert died of sepsis following the abortion.[21] Tiller was cleared of any wrongdoing by the Kansas Board of Healing Arts. After a petition from Operation Rescue, a grand jury was convened to probe Gilbert’s death, which resulted in no indictments against Tiller.
In case you aren’t aware of it, infection is a risk of ANY surgery. All the other data you provide about this woman’s life is extraneous but does help fuel your emotional charges against abortion. And here’s another thought, sometimes surgeries aren’t successful. It’s just a matter of statistical odds.
As far as being a hero, he is. Period.
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August 2, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Sepsis is a risk of any surgery but they treated the poor girl for dehydration while she was laying in the clinic dying and then told the ambulance to come with no sirens on. They didn’t care that she was dying and needed to get to the hospital ASAP, they cared that no one knew it.
Furthermore Carhart has had both criminal and civil investigations going on (some of them not settled yet) as well as investigations into his medical practices by the state attorney general with sworn affidavits that he altered patient files, was a drug abuser, and falsified his application for medical license among other things. He was also investigated by the animal cruelty people for letting his horses starve. And to top it off he kills viable healthy babies “because the woman wants him too”. He runs his business out of an old auto repair garage that has paint peeling off the walls. Here are some quotes from your “hero”:
“I know that the fetus is alive during the process most of the time because I can see fetal heartbeat on the ultrasound… I think brain death would occur because the suctioning to remove contents is only two or three seconds. So somewhere in that period of time—obviously not when you penetrate the skull, because people get shot in the head and they don’t die immediately from that, if they are going to die at all—so that probably is not sufficient to kill the fetus. But I think removing the brain contents eventually will… My intent in every abortion I have ever done is to kill the fetus and terminate the pregnancy.”
-LeRoy Carhart, testifying under oath in 1997 about what he does to facilitate abortion, quoted in the Asheville Tribune.
• “The fetus, in many cases, dies just as a human adult or child would: it bleeds to death as it is torn from limb to limb… The fetus can be alive at the beginning of the dismemberment process and can survive for a time while its limbs are being torn off.”
-LeRoy Carhart, as quoted by Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy in Carhart v. Stenberg
• Carhart said at least once a month, an entire fetus is expelled from the mother during a D&E he is performing. “The fetuses are alive at the time of delivery,” he said. There is a heartbeat “very frequently.”
-LeRoy Carhart, The Associated Press, April 1, 2004, “Doctor: Law Would Outlaw Many Abortions”
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August 2, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Here Carhart describes how the fetus”cooks” inside the mother after it’s death so that it is easy to tear apart.
• “Well, I was telling Ms. Smith at lunch today that we’re talking about a fetus that’s not only been dead for 48 hours, but we’re talking about a fetus that has been dead for 48 hours in essentially a warming oven or crock pot. It has been kept at a hundred degrees for 48 hours. And that’s enough temperature to cook meat. So we are not only dealing with a fetus that has been dead in my practice, we are dealing with a fetus that’s both dead and soft—so it’s much more pliable.”
-LeRoy Carhart, testifying under oath on the safety of his abortion methods, in a deposition taken for Carhart v. Ashcroft, April 1, 2004.
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August 3, 2011 at 1:23 pm
When people go to a medical office, especially if they are getting surgery, they can die. This happens, but not as regularly as when abortion was illegal. And where did you get the “facts” about Lee’s incident? Gee, I’ll bet it was from some pro-life source, no?
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August 2, 2011 at 8:11 am
“sometime I wonder if anyone is reading this blog of mine” — what are ya gonna do, Pat? Rog, Kate, and Chuck are the only ones who can! Why does the pro-death side attract so many angry illiterates?
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August 2, 2011 at 8:13 am
And, by the way, I’ll be gone till Friday and most of the next week too. Carry on.
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August 2, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Troy Newman is an ordained elder in the Presbyterian Church of America yet has lowered himself this morning outside Dr. Carhart’s clinic. He walked up to a young women who is prochoice, a woman sitting by herself, took a picture of her and said, “I’m Troy Newman Bitch” then hopped in a white sedan and sped off. That’s the leader of Operation Rescue.
There were several other incidents where the OR minions told their own to use their guns to kill Dr. Carhart. Fortunately, there were loads of police and staff from the DOJ.
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August 2, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Oh puleeeezzzze!
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August 2, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Gotta call you on this one, Kate. Did you hear any OR people actually say go get some gun and kill Carhart?
And, Deanna, I’ll have you know that many if not most clinics dont give a crap about the CPCs as long as they are on the up and up with women. Indeed, I know a number of clinics that actually have some kind of relationship with the good cpcs. As for the clinics being worried about the cpcs taking money from them…..pppplleaaaazzzzeeeee
And why does Cart do late term abortions? Because the women tell him they want one. Why dont you folks use all of your energy to stopping the reason why women seek out the abortions?
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August 2, 2011 at 3:39 pm
The fact that women want late term abortions does not excuse his doing them.
I don’t think it is the individual clinics that are lobbying for laws to quieten CPC’s. I think it is backed by NARAL and PP, as I said. Gotta keep that machine going.
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August 2, 2011 at 4:53 pm
No doctor needs an excuse from you or any other woman-hater. If women are to be free, they need the right to decide for themselves when and whether to have children. They need abortion on demand and without apology. They need fully scientific sex-education. They need birth control available without shame or stigma. These things are not “tragic” or “unfortunate.” They are tremendously liberating—and they are long overdue!
All of this is essential not only for women, but for humanity as a whole—for how can anyone be free when half of us are enslaved?
The future of abortion rights, the lives of women and of the safety of heroes like Dr. LeRoy Carhart cannot be left to politicians or religious leaders or law enforcement or “someone out there who isn’t me.” It is time—long past time—for all those to care about women to confront the fact that the future will hinge on what each of us will do to stand up to misogynists.
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August 2, 2011 at 6:39 pm
That’s some more impressive speech Kate. To bad it’s full of nonsense.
In abortion a person dies plain and simple! For that person to live is not “enslaving” anyone. Enslavement, on the contrary, is what abortion is. It makes one person the “owner” of another. It is the ultimate form of slavery. I own you therefore I decide if you get to live or die. This is not a good thing for “humanity as a whole”. It is indeed a tragedy when a human a dies so that another human can have things her way.
Abortion must be left up to the politicians because unfortunately morality must be legislated in this age of no moral absolutes in the people, as sad as that is.
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August 3, 2011 at 5:32 am
Deanna wrote “Abortion must be left up to the politicians because unfortunately morality must be legislated in this age of no moral absolutes in the people, as sad as that is.”
Translated: We must turn our democracy into a theocracy.
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August 3, 2011 at 5:41 am
Today’s hard right seeks total dominion. It’s packing the courts and rigging the rules. The target is not the Democrats but democracy itself. This should be familiar rhetoric to you and your godly followers, Deanna:
***The Reverend Rod Parsley, a champion of theocracy, or what he calls a “christocracy,” told his congregation at the World Harvest Church, located just outside Columbus, Ohio, “Theocracy means God is in control, and you are not.”
The theocratic right seeks to establish dominion, or control over society in the name of God. The late D. James Kennedy, former pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries, called on his followers to exercise “godly dominion … over every aspect … of human society.” At a “Reclaiming America for Christ” conference in February, 2005, Kennedy said:
“Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors — in short, over every aspect and institution of human society.”
Twenty-five years ago, dominionists targeted the Republican Party as the vehicle through which they could advance their agenda. At the same time, a small group of Republican strategists targeted fundamentalist, Pentecostal and charismatic churches to expand the base of the Republican Party. Their web site is not about traditional Republicans or conservative Christians. It is about the manipulation of people of a certain faith for political power. It is about the rise of dominionists in the U.S. federal government.***
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August 2, 2011 at 4:09 pm
You can verify if you like with staffers that we also there, Pat.
And, Pat, Dr. Carhart doesn’t do abortions just because a woman wants one. There must be legitimate reasons like fetal anomalies or stillborn or maternal illness. It’s not some willy nilly gesture like getting a pedicure.
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August 2, 2011 at 4:11 pm
As for early abortions, if a woman wants one, she should be able to have one on demand. No apologies.
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August 2, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Correction:
You can verify if you like with staffers who were also present, Pat. It caused quite a stir. In fact, if you wish, I’d be happy to track down those in charge of the event so that you could contact them for verification. I also spoke with a DOJ staffer this morning about FACE violations (or lack thereof). She also interviewed NOW and Feminist Majority staffers. So, call me out on this if you like but I know you will find authenticity in what I said. It wasn’t a direct threat just a threat that had a clear wish of fulfillment–like the wanted posters that were circulated before Dr. Tiller’s death.
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August 3, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Oops, I didn’t see this post before I posted my post, which was posted post-haste and ex post facto
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August 3, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Of course, Kate, I can’t verify with staff because I dont know them. But I am just very curious that, if you heard what you said, did you go to the police and tell them that someone with OR had threatened Lee?
And, yes, I know that women do not get third trimester abortions unless there are some rather compelling reasons.
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August 4, 2011 at 8:03 am
Of course, the police were notified. The place was swarming with police at the beginning of the week. Lee’s nurse was one of the staffers who knew of this. There were also other incidents like the priest who crossed the yellow tape lines contending that he had a right to go to the CPC which is across the parking lot from Lee’s clinic. The police thought otherwise.
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August 3, 2011 at 9:09 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/aug/02/abortion-poses-few-health-risks
Appears CPC Mills are pretty bad all over the world.
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August 3, 2011 at 9:12 am
Here is how i see it…
When that movie about abortion was on, on HBO, i taped so i could watch carefully and with that have a better idea or opinion of it.
What i saw was, unfortunately, LIES on the pro-life side. There was this woman, who probably was not 100% sure about having an abortion, so the pro-lifers outside the abortion clinic told her that they would help her and bla bla bla… sure enough, at the prospect of being helped, the woman left the abortion clinic and went to the other side of the street to talk to a pro-life… After that, of course the movie (a pro-life movie) didn’t show what happen to the woman, but that made me wonder if they did keep their promise of going to the bank and giving her money…. or to help her thru the pregnancy and needs… or whatever else they promised to her.
On the other side, on the pro-choice clinic (abortion place) wasn’t showed that well about the way they work, i believe that because the movie was a pro-life movie movement that was what was supposed to happen.
But, i am not the kind of person who just gives up on finding info about both sides, because every story has 2 sides. ALWAYS…
So i found some testimonials of women that did go to a CPC and got informed about the pregnancy and how many weeks and this and that to later on find out that they actually were pregnant beyond what they were informed… so for that SHAME ON CPC because the first thing you got to do in order to be credible is DO NOT LIE…
I don’t know if some of them heard that a good advertising can go 1 mile and a bad advertising can go miles and miles away. So for that the CPC’s are doing a horrible job.
Not saying that the abortion clinics does any better as well. But at least they do not tell you that they would go to the bank and get money to help you and at the end you end up with a teddy bear…
If it was easier for women to find out how far on pregnancy they are, if politicians start to worry less about their own pockets and more with the REAL DILEMMAS of every day in life, things could be different.
when i came to live in US, 12 years ago, US was a strong country that had economical stability… now they are in deep debt because of the politicians that think they can do whatever they want… and somehow they can… They LIE, they FAKE, and nothing happens to them… same with the CPC’s…
Lying is not a solution is only a way of making more mistakes along the way.
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August 3, 2011 at 9:24 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/aug/02/abortion-pregnancy-counselling-found-wanting
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August 3, 2011 at 9:32 am
http://www.theday.com/article/20110803/OP01/308039917
Hard Pill to Swallow, Huh, DeAnna?
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August 3, 2011 at 9:51 am
Why are you posting double on two threads? I answered this the fist time you posted it.
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August 3, 2011 at 11:13 am
Translated: Don’t bother me.
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August 3, 2011 at 11:51 am
No translated it means I don’t want to answer the same thing over and over again because she needs it to get attention on several threads.
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August 3, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Please stop DeAnna,
You make our Pro Life struggle harder by your strange writings.
Many other Pro Lifers have told you you are harming our cause.
Dunkle is even worse. We have no chance with people like you writing the most bizarre of statements.
You were sure how to pronounce my name, but you were totally wrong.
You write the most harmful things.
Please listen to Jesus.
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August 3, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Oh no here we go again with the pro-choicers masquerading as Christians reprimanding me for writing some imaginary bizarre statement.
Please do tell me exactly what it is that I said that was bizarre. I provided documentation for everything that I said. Unless you can provide some sort of detailed documentation on what I said that was bizarre to prove it then your remarks are unfounded.
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August 3, 2011 at 12:33 pm
No one is putting a gun to your head and making you sit at your computer to write responses. Stop playing the victim. Stop projecting other people’s intentions. Stop answering if you don’t want to answer.
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August 5, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Hey, I’m back:
Translation: stop making me look like a jackass.
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August 3, 2011 at 9:45 am
People are finally realizing the wildfire of CPC Mills and the evil harm they cause!
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August 3, 2011 at 9:49 am
Seriously? The New York Times is one of the most liberal newspapers in the country. Of course they will take the pro-choice side of things. You don’t expect us to believe that to be a non-biased article do you?
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August 3, 2011 at 9:58 am
And as if the San Francisco city attorney would be non-biased as well. Give me a break already!
You know what all of these attacks on CPC’s show? They show that they are a legitimate threat to the abortion industry. Why else do they care? Why bother? It’s because babies are being saved. I wonder why it is that people who claim to be for ‘choice” get so upset when women are presented with the choice to give birth instead of having an abortion. I wonder?
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August 3, 2011 at 11:14 am
All nonsense from a deeply biased individual
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August 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm
That DeAnna is so far the second most mentally deficient Person (behind) dunkle to write on this site.
It is amazing how someone can be so stupidly wrong yet have so much confidence? The strangest Paradox.
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August 5, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Go away, Katie. Come back when you learn how to read.
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August 3, 2011 at 10:30 am
Here is another:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/08/bogus-abortion-counseling-services-targeted-san-francisco-officials
The Pro Lifers are on a lying rampage.
I agree with DeAnna, she is a freak!
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August 3, 2011 at 11:52 am
And proud to be one if the alternative means that I agree that slicing up babies is a good thing.
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August 3, 2011 at 12:35 pm
since when are people slicing up babies? At the baby deli, perhaps? Seriously, your demented drama is getting really stale.
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August 3, 2011 at 4:54 pm
They are dismembered and decapitated in the abortion procedures. That qualifies as slicing up considering the sharp instruments that are used.
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August 3, 2011 at 7:28 pm
WARNING: This person touts that all her posts are neutral, non emotional. Yet, she insists on using inflammatory language such as slicing babies, dismemberment and decapitation.
FACTS:
1. Using testimony from actual surgeons who perform abortions, at no time does a physician resort to slicing or decapitation.
2. Surgery requires sharp instruments.
3. Surgeons who perform late term abortions for fetal anomalies are focused on the safety of women. Their goal is to remove the fetus as safely as possible without damage to the woman.
4. Among women who chose to remain pregnant, fetal anomalies are not expected. Yet when presented with the options, women rightfully and morally choose to terminate their pregnancies if the fetus is anacephalic, is otherwise grossly abnormal and will die shortly after birth or if the woman’s health hangs in the balance.
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August 5, 2011 at 6:01 pm
I feel bad for Jimmy. I really do.
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August 3, 2011 at 12:37 pm
DeAnna,
It is getting boring watching your pathetic attempts to be intelligent.
Your incapacitated intellect does not comprehend how poor your attempts are.
You are so out numbered in the brain power department.
Can you come up with something intelligent? It was fun watching your intellect get hammered constantly before, but now it’s so commonplace it is getting boring. Dunkle was worse, he is more like a JH Jester. At least you are not as bad as him. But you think he is OK. You are one creepy person.
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August 5, 2011 at 6:02 pm
“as he,” dope
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August 3, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Deanna: re your latest comment on why the abortion industry is so “afraid” of the cpcs. Did you not read my post in response to that? Didn’t you read that many clinics actually have relationships to cpcs and some refer to them?
You seem fixated on their making money, suggesting that they will resort to lies, etc. to get that abortion! If only you would spend a day in a clinic – and I would be happy to try to facilitate that – you would see a different dynamic. You would see how some abortions are actually performed for free or at a discount. But I have a feeling that, even if you saw that, you would say that they were putting on a show for you that day.
Over the years, I have given pro-lifers some credit for caring or being sincere about their views. Why is it that you can NEVER acknowledge that some of the thousands of folks who work in clinics are there because they care, because they think they are doing the right thing?
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August 4, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Pat ,
I do believe that some of them are there because they care and that they believe they are doing the right thing. Abbey Johnson proved that very well. They are deceived into thinking that it is a service to this women to kill their children for them. I get that. What I think is not that the individual clinic workers are out to get that abortion money at all costs. I think instead that it is the abortion industry as a whole, the clinic owners, many of the actual abortionists and the advocate folks like NARAL although I think they do it to further the “cause” rather than for financial gain.
But you still have to ask yourself the question. Why do they care what the CPC’s do? And not only care but care to the point that they wan them shut down? I mean seriously, they will go after a CPC with venom and practically ignore the Dr.Brighams. You don’t see blog after blog or newspaper reports all up in arms about him do you? There are a few comments on the day he gets in trouble but then he is ignored while they go after the CPC’s as “threats” to women. Why is that, why the double standard? Seems to me they need to be cleaning up their own industry before they start pointing fingers. When you have Bigham’s and Gosnells and Carhart’s (he has a running history of trouble with medical boards) running loose harming women why waste time on CPC’s? Then you have the obviously lacking clinics that don’t even meet NARAL’s standards, why not go set them straight? It sounds to me like the real goal here is to discredit the pro-life movement rather than protect women.
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August 3, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Pat, I’d agree with you that there are thousands of folks who care for women who believe that abortion is the right thing. In fact, beside the obvious clinic staffers who care, there are researchers who work on behalf of women to learn about all aspects of abortion care. Here’s a link
http://www.ansirh.org/research/late-abortion/mental-health-abortion.php
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August 5, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Kate, Kate, of course some of you killers and killers’ helpers are good people. Some Nazis were good people. Some slave promoters were good people. All we prolifers should be saying is y’all are wrong.
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August 4, 2011 at 6:42 am
Here’s a perfect example of a type of crisis pregnancy center called Real Alternatives PA which is administered in Allentown PA by Catholic Charities
530 Union Blvd. They offer help up to 12 months post partum (after that you’re on your own or on TANFF). They claim their mission is to ensure that women facing crisis pregnancies receive support, achieve improved reproductive health (but deny that abortion is within the continuum of health care),develop improved parenting skills (parenting classes are mandatory if you want help), and receive adoption education,all of which will empower (love the word empower)them to choose childbirth rather than abortion.
They also state on their web site that “it is neither compassionate nor caring counseling to attempt client education using graphic descriptions, images, or videos of aborted fetuses. This is why Real Alternatives disallows the use of such materials in the Program, regardless of whether the client consents to see them.” There’s also rhetoric about not allowing religious materials and only promoting factual, scientific evidence.
Yet, the anti abortion terrorists (like KT, Linebacker and J Dog) who promote and advertise for this Catholic Charities CPC use graphic images in their pamphlets and posters, lie about abortion increasing chances of breast cancer (J dog said “as much as 400%” to women entering the clinic) or the fabrication of post abortion stress syndrome and invoke their religion and their morality.
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August 4, 2011 at 10:01 am
I was wondering if this web page is a fight between pro lifers and pro choice… because i can’t believe what my eyes see in here….
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August 4, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Sonia, it seems pretty clear to me that there are antiabortioneers and prochoicers on this site, for sure. I’m clear as to your meaning when you wrote “I can’t believe what my eyes see in here” whether the material is unbelievable or something else. Would you please explain?
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August 4, 2011 at 10:02 am
ABORTION IS A RIGHT…. So shut up and live with it…
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August 4, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Well, Hanna certainly gets to the point, doesn’t she?
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August 5, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Sho does. Hanna, YOU’RE STUPID — so shut up and live with it.
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August 4, 2011 at 1:28 pm
If abortions became non profitable do you think pro choice movements would be so passionate about it?
The reason why I post this message is because I don’t think so and pretty soon abortion pill will be available in the US and women would just have to have their uterus sucked clean (forgive the crude language). At home abortions is a thing of the near future a little money will be left to be made and if pro choicers are really pro choice they should support this new way of doing it yourself.
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August 4, 2011 at 1:36 pm
I’m not sure that your argument is on solid ground. Abortion clinics already offer medical abortions but there are advantages and disadvantages. So women should and can choose what is best for them and what is accessible, depending on cost, gestation and other health considerations (like Rh factor, sickle cell, etc).
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August 4, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Kate,
What I was trying to say is that if medication was readily available over the counter for abortions the movement pro choice would not have that much strength in this country, unfortunately is mostly about the money not really about the women’s choice for the most part.
For the women yes is about her choice but for the providers not so much.
There is a website helps women who live in countries where abortion is not legal have access to those pills and pretty soon that can happen here to.
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August 4, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Even if the abortion pill (“medication”)was available over the counter (which would NEVER happen in the United States), there would always be a need for surgical abortions. The pill only performs abortions up to about 8 weeks. Also, some women prefer the surgical route because it’s quicker.
And, let me ask: If abortion doctors were so fixated on making money, why do most of the clinics counsel women on their birth control options? If they wanted women to come back and MAKE MORE MONEY, they wouldn’t counsel them and give them FREE SAMPLES of pills after their abortion. Indeed, I would suggest that the clinics do more to prevent abortion than pro-lifers..
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August 4, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Several people who have come out of the clinics and become pro-life have said that the clinics including Planned Parenthood give out low dose Birth control pills intentionally so that they will fail and the women get pregnant and return to the nice people who gave them the free pills for an abortion. I have no idea if this is true or not but it has been reported by several people. I could be a possibility.
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August 5, 2011 at 7:00 am
Don’t you just love the specificity here?
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August 5, 2011 at 7:27 am
DeAnna just keeps proving what a gruesome disseminator of misinformation she is, by her own writing.
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August 5, 2011 at 7:33 am
Of course you have no idea if it is true or not, but you will throw the BS out there.
No, it is not true you imbecile. It is more in line of the morality of the CPCs. The morality that you want legislated. Tens of millions of people have been murdered by Christian legislated morality.
That is the last thing we need. Christians, Ughh!
For a person who wants to get rid of birth control, you are one to talk.
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August 5, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Y’all hate what deanna says because you’re killers’ helpers. I like it because I’m prolife.
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August 5, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Marsha, we are having a conversation. It is acceptable in a conversation to state something as a POSSIBILITY. If you would like to join the conversation with a LEGITIMATE remark then please do.
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August 5, 2011 at 7:30 am
Remember,
DeAnna wants to get rid of some of the best Birth Control methods.
DeAnna really knows very little and just regurgitates any church going lie she hears.
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August 5, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Remember, Marsha wants to promote every masturbatory practice she can.
Marsha really knows very little and just regurgitates any baby killing lie she hears.
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August 5, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Marsha, if I know little then prove me wrong. I challenge you to find one thing that I have said and provide non-biased documentation to prove me wrong. Otherwise your statements are useless including your religion bashing comments. Such tolerance you have there being pro-choice and all.
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August 5, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Kate, I gave specifics below if you care to know who I was referring to.
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