Pro Life Bumper Stickers
Like most Americans (the sane ones, at least), I watched in horror as our elected officials almost brought our country to the economic brink a few weeks ago with their outright silliness over legislation to raise the debt ceiling. Despite the fact that every Congress has gone through this drill many times (including under Reagan and Bush), this time around the young Tea Partyers decided it was time to draw the line in the sand – the economy be damned.
They cried that they had been sent to the Congress to send the message that we needed to get control of the “reckless” spending that was running rampant in our federal agencies. So, screw your silly debt ceiling, they shouted! I don’t care, Mr. President, if you are cutting a few trillion dollars in spending. It’s not enough! And, while you’re at it, don’t even think about raising any taxes, even on the billionaires who could care less if they had another $1,000 or so taken out of their paycheck. There will be no compromise – and let the chips fall where they may!
What a friggin mess. It was a game of machismo and Obama, because he actually believes in governing this country, had to blink.
And so it is with the debate over abortion. As followers of this award-winning blog have seen in the past, the “debate,” and I use that term loosely, generally boils down to a cyberspace shouting match where no one gives any ground, where no one dares say “hey, you got a point there,” lest they be accused of treason. Yes, there are some who have a bottom line but at times do show that they are at least hearing the other side. But, for the most part, it is dueling academic reports and quotations.
So, for example, a pro-lifer will make their argument invoking Genesis (“and Adam begat Cain who then begat Tommy after he smote his bro Abel all the while declaring that there shall be no abortion”) or St. Luke the Meek (“ye shall never abort a possible Savior”). They will spend hours insisting that their book is the only one worth shit, that it is the all knowing edition that lays out everything that must be obeyed – even if you wear a turban. It is the WORD of the munificent and compassionate God, pure and simple and, if you stray from his oh-so-loving WORD, you will spend ETERNITY SURROUNDED BY FLAMES IN HELL. Sorry, but those are the rules.
Then there are the pro-choicers who quote their own Gods or, to be more exact, Goddesses. Steinem, Abzug, Friedan, Madonna. Theirs is the word, the woman’s body is sacrosanct, it’s our way or the highway. They believe that every anti-abortion person is a true nut ball or, worse, a terrorist. The crisis pregnancy centers are all run by freak-a-zoids who don’t give a crap about women and who, once they talk that woman into having the baby, will disappear forever. Adios, mama, you’re on your own! Meanwhile, the pro-choicers will insist that that damned thing floating around in there is a fetus. It ain’t a baby you idiot! It doesn’t matter that the mother calls it a baby when that eight week fetus is wanted. Nope, when we’re contemplating abortion, it’s a fetus, pure and simple.
The problem in this country is that we live in a bumper sticker world where no one dares to give ground any more. I am right and you are wrong. End of story. Indeed, when was the last time you ever heard anyone say “hey, you got a point there, I wanna think about that.” OMG! Hey, we got a wimp over here folks! A flip flopper! Off with her head!
So, much like we saw in Congress, the abortion debate has become one intractable mess.
Well, I’m sorry but no one has the monopoly on wisdom on this or any other issue. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. To be sure, I am totally pro-choice but, damn it, at 24 weeks it sure looks like a baby to me. And while I still support the right to abort it, it pains me to see it happen. On the other hand, to the pro-lifers out there, you are never gonna convince me that a 6 week fetus is a baby or a “person” as some of you would suggest. Get real.
I say we toss aside the bumper stickers for a bit.
Let’s start thinking and actually TALKING for a change.
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August 15, 2011 at 7:11 am
NunYa asks, “I wonder if there’s ever been a study done of the handicapped” to see if they wished they’d been aborted.
NunYa, you might consider instead what is done by those who wish they’d never been born: they can and do wreak terrible vengeance to satisfy the rage they have against a world that they see as the abuser, be it the teacher whom they gun down in the hall, the military personnel in a processing center, or the women they stalk in the afternoon. They are what children become when they are not properly nurtured, guided safely through the complex interplay of individual development, language, socialization, play, co-operation, secual maturation, status achievement, etc., by which a person becomes fully human.
This is where the so-called “pro-lifers” fall horribly short of their proclaimed care for human life. You yourself say that you have held signs outside clinics offering medical care and other forms of support, but you have never adopted a baby you didn’t want, because your image of the threat to human life begins and ends with abortion. You are so focused on abortion that it blinds you to the need to care for human life rather than merely care about it.
Whic is what aborticentrism is. I suggest you check out the comparison of the Abortion Store and the Baby Store and ponder the significance.
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August 15, 2011 at 8:08 am
“NunYa, you might consider instead what is done by those who wish they’d never been born: they can and do wreak terrible vengeance . . .”
Didn’t you say that’s what you wished, Chuck? And you’;re not such a bad guy. Vengeful towards father, son, and siblings, sure, but you don’t “wreak terrible . . . ,” etc.
The rest of the above, though, is that endless repetition of your four stupid arguments for killing others: you have to help kill him unless you’re willing to support him for the rest of his life..
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August 16, 2011 at 10:48 am
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August 15, 2011 at 5:07 pm
I haven’t adopted. I didn’t say I don’t care “for” them. We send money overseas, we have personally helped with finances for four adoptions by others, I worked with abused and neglected children. That’s enough of a short list for you.
Are you saying that all those women who Kate says are wise and can be trusted to always make moral choices to abort, would raise serial killers if they don’t abort? Are they trustworthy or not?
As far as the rest of your statement, you can’t possibly know where my image of the threat to human life begins and ends. You can’t possibly know what I am focused on, what my priorities in life are.
I’m not being hateful here, I really mean this statement: “You are so focused on abortion that it blinds you to the need to care about human life rather than merely care who cares for it.”
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August 15, 2011 at 9:00 am
I see that comments keep coming on these posts, but they don’t appear here. That means people are commenting on one of the earlier 355, so far. I don’t have time to go back over all of them, so here’s my suggestion. Transfer your comment to here at the end as well. Introduce it this way: “Dumkle, here’s my response to one of your stupidities”: Then I’ll see it.
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August 15, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Yeah, it does get very confusing sometimes. I wish there were a better way to have a more understandable thread…
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August 18, 2011 at 12:19 pm
I just checked out my suggestion, Pat, and it really is impractical. We’ll just have to bear up.
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February 9, 2014 at 2:19 pm
certain Middle Eastern norms. Additionally, to clarify, I penlsraoly do use a gym regularly, for the reasons stated above but I penlsraoly don’t wear a muscle shirt. I actually find them uncomfortable, and generally wear a regular old T-shirt, and some baggier shorts that I prefer because they have pockets .
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August 15, 2011 at 1:25 pm
” If abortion mills were made of glass, the prolifers inside would show their ass”
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August 15, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Sorry, I forgot to add my name . . .
” If abortion mills were made of glass, the prolifers inside would show their ass”
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August 15, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Beatrice you’re showing your childish and stupid ways.
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August 15, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Welcome, Beatrice…
Please explain, Beatrice…
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August 15, 2011 at 5:44 pm
“Beatrice you’re showing your childish and stupid ways.”
Pat! I didn’t say that! What’s up?
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February 7, 2014 at 10:23 pm
My opinion about same-sex margraie is irrelevant to this discussion, but since you asked : I believe it’s a legitimate option for the government to allow same-sex margraie in the interest of fairness and justice. I don’t know of a compelling legal or political reason why same-sex couples should not have the same rights as opposite-sex ones.My personal religious beliefs are that the sacrament of margraie is valid only for male-female couples who have not been previously married. But as long as the state respects my right to those beliefs, and the right of churches to structure their rights according to their beliefs, then there is no problem.
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August 15, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Ruth = Kate
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August 15, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Hey, it sounds good but it’s anonymous (not anonomous).
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August 15, 2011 at 4:31 pm
that was on purpose.
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August 15, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Ruth is Kate? Or is anonymous Kate? Or is John Ruth?
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August 16, 2011 at 7:16 am
Or is Pat Ron?????
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August 15, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Pat! I didn’t say that either! What’s up?
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February 7, 2014 at 9:26 pm
Uh, how about not slaughtering plibuc education. Make the pain of keeping absurdly low tax rates for the rich and corporations so great that the plibuc will finally relent and do it without destroying UC; lowering the state’s higher education to that of Arkansas or Alaska.It’s called vision and it’s called leadership, smart guy . It’s also called being young enough to fight. None are qualities that Brown possesses.
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August 15, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Abortion is the choice of every individual women.
Those people that refuse to give liberty to women are Misogynists!
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August 15, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Better misogynists than baby killers, Gale.
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August 15, 2011 at 5:56 pm
“Better misogynists than baby killers, Gale.”
This neither! It’s getting scary!
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August 15, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Welcome, Gale!
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August 15, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Abortion is never the answer but sometimes necessary. Life is not perfect and sometimes we have to make hard decisions. I don’t think people would feel bad about their decision if no one else had an opinion about it. The fetus does not feel a thing, doesn’t have a memory and it is part of the women’s body like a tumor until is out.
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February 8, 2014 at 12:58 am
That’s a genuinely imessprive answer.
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August 15, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Thanks for finding and reporting that, Ruth! The only remaining question to answer is why so-called “pro-lifers” engage in those tactics. I submit that they do so because it doesn’t require any effort of intellectual discipline, any adherence to minimum standards of truth or right conduct, or any congruity between one’s proclamation of care and one’s performance of such care.
The whole movement is an attempt at heroism on the cheap for its worst participants and the indulgence in fantasy for its more literate.
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August 15, 2011 at 5:37 pm
“An attempt at heroism on the cheap”….pretty interesting, Charles!
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August 16, 2011 at 1:38 pm
No sacrifice of time, money, estate, reputation, safety or comfort! Heroism doesn’t come any cheaper than that.
And they NEED to be heroes! It’s their fight against the fear of their own death– they create an allegory of a battle in which the fetus represents them, abortion represents Death, and they represent God. By winning the allegorical struggle, they comfort themselves that God will let them live forever.
Which points out that they are not very spiritually well-grounded. People with faith in God don’t have to keep manufacturing illusory proof of it for themselves. Nor do they have to manufacture public acknowledgment of their worth, the way so-called “pro-lifers” do.
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August 15, 2011 at 5:38 pm
So you’ve met every pro-lifer on the planet and therefore can qualify your statement?
I do not understand why you think that to not want a baby killed has to automatically mean we have to raise it. Would you have rushed in and tried to save Andrea Yates kids if given the opportunity? Would you have had to be willing to take them all home to raise for your concern to be deemed real?
I believe that a society who is so selfish as to kill it’s unborn, and excuse women from all responsibility for that act, is the reason we have mothers killing their children, and children, even loved, wanted children from good families, growing up to be rapists and murderers. There is no respect for life.
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August 15, 2011 at 7:06 pm
NunYa you are so right – our society does not respect life. You are right again to say that abortion is a selfish choice – rather than the SELFLESS choice of giving birth to their child. There is absolutely no personal responsibility today for one’s own actions. It’s easier to kill the baby and move on with their own life. Problem solved.
Also, why is it that I’ve never seen any of the pro-abort escorts offering their phone # to women exiting abortion mills who are totally despondent after having taken the life of their child. No. Not a one of them. Not once – Not EVER!! They don’t offer them help to their car or even a kind word of comfort much less their phone # when these poor women are crying themselves to sleep or even perhaps suicidal. If you care so much for women, why don’t you escorts ever reach out to them personally and offer the help that you so despise we offer. In fact, you don’t seem to show any ‘love, compassion, and/or respect’ that your abortion mill sign states they want entering their facility. I have heard deathscorts say, “Have a good day” to a post-abortive woman! How totally crass! So let’s see you approach these post-abortive women and give them your cell # and remain in their life for the next 18 years and then you’ll walk the walk. Until then, you’re just a bunch of aging, pro-death ideologues with severely misguided compassion in need of conversion and repentance which, by the way, we pray happens to each and every one of you.
The pro-death side just LOVES to throw stones at the pro-lifers and say, “How many children have you adopted?” Again, all they see is the splinter in the ‘enemy’s’ eyes and not the plank in their own. Perhaps you folks are the misnogyists otherwise you would reach out to those poor hurting women exiting the abortion mill instead of trying to drown out our message of help prior to them killing their babies. Oh, maybe they’re not ‘your business’ once they’ve aborted but you sure as heck make them ‘your business’ on their way in now don’t you? Your job is done once the baby’s gone I guess. These women no longer matter to you at that point. Oh and by the way, will you still be available to those women that you’re not even available to when they exit the killing mill a half an hour after the ‘procedure’ when their children SHOULD HAVE BEEN in college like you say we should? After all, if pro-lifers should be accountable to these women and their families until the day they go and meet God then why shouldn’t you kind folks do the same? Seems only fair now doesn’t it? Do any of your abortion mills offer post abortive counseling for women in need? I don’t see it advertised on any killing mill web pages that I’ve checked so why don’t you? Is it as you say that post abortive depression is just a myth and/or only accounts for those women that were somehow inadequate prior to the abortion? Hey, here’s a thought – maybe you could charge an extra fee then it’d be worth your while and you could be as compassionate (beginning, middle AND END – Lucy Horton will understand that phrase) as you tout yourselves to be.
There is something very, very sad about individuals and a society that are so angry and hostile at pro-lifers because they reach out to offer help to women about to end their child’s life. Even worse on the sad scale is the woman at AWC (that we all know and love) who actually celebrates by clapping and jumping up and down, singing and dancing when a client refuses an offer of help. Can you even imagine? Folks no matter where you stand on the issue of life or death, to applaud when a women enters an abortion mill on a killing day? So very sad. I would imagine that it even makes the other deathscorts cringe when you behave in such a horrific manner. If you didn’t have so many darn titles of importance, why they might even want to disassociate themselves with you when you exhibit such atrocious behavior. Poor, poor Rev. Kate Ranieri a/k/a CMH (Christsmothershelper “CMH”.) Don’t despair Kate, we all love you and are praying for you. We have faith that you’ll come around. We were actually hoping that your email regarding ‘offers of help’ with the above address (CMH) was genuine. Alas, since you told me to drop dead BIT$& when I implored you to call revealed your true colors. We won’t give up on you though! You would make a great pro-lifer some day! You too Lucy, Doug, Ellen, Sharon, Bill, Matt, Jennifer, Linda, Kathleen, Michele, et al. Just imagine if all that negative energy was channeled into a truly good cause what a difference you all could make. Think about it – before it’s too late. We never know when God will call each of us home.
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August 15, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Beatrice Says:
August 15, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Sorry, I forgot to add my name . . .
” If abortion mills were made of glass, the prolifers inside would show their ass.”
LOL Beatrice (is that REALLY YOUR NAME? You sure it’s not ELLEN BELL, DOUG MARSH, or LUCY HORTON?) That’s really quite funny!! hahaha I believe the NEW slogan is, “If abortion mills were made of glass, WE’D ALL BE PRO-LIFE.” Ain’t it the truth? For those of us that don’t buy into the ‘notion’ that abortion is a woman’s right. period. and believe that it is the killing of an innocent child one can only imagine that if a person could actually see inside an abortion mill it would be enough to change even the most hardened heart (especially if one worked for even one minute in the autoclave room where the baby’s are pieced back together.) Abortion does not make the world more beautiful by any account.
Remember Kate, (we know you’re still lurking out there – LOL) how you said to us when you were doing your ‘unbiased’ documentary at AWC and you opened the door when the patient was just getting up from the table after having just ended her child’s life it almost made you vomit/cry? Do you forget saying those words? How about, “It’s too bad you can’t be here more often because I see so many women here that could use your help?” Truly heartfelt and compassionate words Kate – too bad they weren’t the truth. If they were, you would have left the killing industry and dropped your torch years ago. We’re still waiting!
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August 17, 2011 at 11:20 am
So, what’s your standard for caring for real human life? 8% of your annual gross income and 600 unpaid hours spend one-on-one with children whose parents can’t or won’t nurture them? I didn’t think asking you to adopt was going to produce a reasoned response.
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August 17, 2011 at 11:22 am
IN my town, I met 160 so-called “pro-lifers” demonstrating against abortion– only two families had adopted (a total of 6 kids), and one of the (earning over a quarter mil a year) had adopted five of those. I have no reason to believe the national population deviates significantly from that, and your own example hasn’t proven otherwise.
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August 15, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Now, there is absolutely no way anyone of us can follow up with these last two posts! Brilliantly put and straight from the heart!
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August 16, 2011 at 5:23 am
“straight from the heart!”??? more like straight from her ample ass.
I hope she feels better. Nothing like a good dump in the evening to set things right
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August 16, 2011 at 5:51 am
Ho hum and yaaaawwnn. Good morning Kate. Good to have you back. I see the list continues – another title to add to your long list. You’ll never be Anonymous to us Kate – no worries. There’s only one person who has such seething and snarky comments like our deal old Kate Ranieri. Geez I hope Pat Richards (?) doesn’t censure you for your unkind remarks. By some remote chance I’m wrong and Lucy Horton if this is YOU – YOU’VE GOT SOME XPLAINING TO DO!!! LUUUUCCCCCYYYYYY!! (LOL – what a beautiful day. See you all in a bit.)
I suspect Kate is very likely to be in a foul mood this morning – I hope not any worse than she was last Tuesday when she displayed terrible manners in the face of women about to abort their babies. That was really bad Kate – even for you. Please don’t do that again.
Folks, don’t get me wrong – personality, lies, anger, and distortion aside, our Kate’s a great gal and all kidding aside, we love her to death! She’s kinda adorable – like a little puppy. She just needs better training. Let us help you – help us – help you (inside joke with Kate a/k/a CMH!!) hehehe
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August 16, 2011 at 5:59 am
oopsy! Should have read: There’s only one person who has such seething and snarky comments like our DEAR old (friend) Kate Ranieri.
Hope you’re having a good morning Kate. See you soon.
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August 16, 2011 at 9:01 am
This has to be Kate: she’s overly and strangely concerned with dumping.
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August 16, 2011 at 10:12 am
NunYa, you say that you’ve worked with all sorts of disadvantaged (an inadequate term) children, but have you sacrificed for them? Have you done it at a cost to your sleep, your health, your financial well-being, your reputation? Or have you been paid to do it?
How often for their sake have you made do with your only meals for the weekend being nothing more than the equivalent of saltine crackers and tomato soup? How long have you had to endure caring for them beyond your preferred amount of time and attention?
This is what so-called “pro-lifers” expect of pregnant women, and this is what they themselves are not capable of giving. You are all united in your hatred and fear of Death, and you express it by depicting it in its most vile form, the death of children. Unfortunately, because you want to escape having to care for children like Andrea Yates’ five drowned boys (a burden you acknowledge by asking me to take it on), you re-create the fetus as a child).
So-called “pro-lifers” cannot care for human life, but they can care about it, the same way they can care about the disruption to their peace of mind caused by the screaming coming from the house of the alcoholic neighbor. If abortion is not known to happen, then everything is okay.
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August 16, 2011 at 1:17 pm
First you have to focus on the young person who’s about to be pulled apart; then you focus on the alcoholic neighbor.
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August 16, 2011 at 10:22 pm
It was my job and I got paid to do it. The reason I applied for that job rather than another, higher paying, less stressful job was because I wanted to work with the victims of abuse. I worked with women and children. I have done it in several different jobs. Are you saying that if you are paid to work with the disadvantaged you don’t care? Everyone who works with women or children in crisis and gets paid are in it for the riches it bestows? Or is that opinion only reserved for pro-life employees of the system? Do you poll them and then deem the pro-life ones the uncaring ones?
Hatred of death? What the heck? You love death?
Let’s get something straight once and for all: Prolifers are not responsible for these children, the mothers are. In this day and age of information and enlightenment, there is NO EXCUSE for the GLUT of pregnant women having abortions. You guys aren’t rational about it, you excuse ALL women, even the irresponsible ones. Thousands of people are being conceived and then killed because tons of women AREN’T responsible and trustworthy as Kate claims. At least be reasonable. This is why I said that pro choicers seem rabid about it. You are responsible for your own choices in life, and trying to make it okay to kill someone else because of your choice or mistake isn’t okay on any level.
We are not “depicting it in it’s most vile form, it is happening to them in it’s most vile form.
I truly don’t understand your Yates comment.
We can and do care for and about human life. You can pretend that all the individuals, churches and organizations out there caring for children all over the world don’t exist all you want if it makes you feel better.
Your last statement is just ridiculous. You guys have invented your own theories to make slaughtering tiny infants more palatable to yourselves by focusing on hating those of us against it.
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August 17, 2011 at 11:15 am
NunYa, there’s a difference between caring for children and getting paid for it and caring for children when you have to sacrifice. I applaud you for choosing to work with abused women and children, but I find it strange that you insist children be born whom you won’t sacrifice for, especially when you as a professional know what they can be subject to. I find that uncaring in the extreme, but so-called “pro-lifers” don’t. Not only did I put in my 15 million seconds with my child, but 27 years of one-on-one, usually with 8% of my annual gross income and 600 hours of my unpaid time with kids whose parents or social workers pressed upon me. If I can do that, why can’t so-called “pro-lifers”? If my parents can raise 11 kids on an income (adjusted to 2008) of some $49,400 a year, why won’t you do the equivalent?
No, you insist that the woman, no matter what her circumstances, will do just fine bearing a child you want born. That’s a little strange, given what you know, although you don’t seem to know anything about Andrea Yates.
I love death enough to have spent most of my life wishing I’d never been born. You can be glad that sheer chance has kept me from making others feel that way as well.
If God is performing millions of abortions, why are you uncomfortable with people having abortions? Face it, it’s your discomfort with them rather than a concern about human life (after all, you don’t want to shape those children on the path to true humanity) that makes you call yourself a “pro-lifer.”
That’s what I mean about so-called “pro-lifers” operating at a level convenient to themselves rather than at a level which nurtures human life.
As far
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August 16, 2011 at 2:22 pm
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August 16, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Chuck, you do this a lot. Why?
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August 17, 2011 at 10:24 pm
I am on a family trip with my iPad and realized it wont let me see all the comments, and also won’t let me choose where to place a comment, so I guess I’ll be back to lurking until I return home Monday night, unless someone knows the iPad better than I do. Anyone on here know what to do? I do want to answer the comment about not helping by adopting before it gets buried: even if I adopted the correct number of kids for my income, my “help” would still be limited to those 10 or 11 kids. I doubt I would have money or time left over to do anything for anyone else. We personally know five families who have adopted a total of 16 kids in my small town alone. Your pool of pro-lifers must be very small if you know none. Those are just the ones I know personally, not including the ones I know of. My dad was adopted, my grandmother was a foster parent for years. Most of the people in my “circle” intend to adopt at some point. So you can see that adoption is an idea foreign to me. My husband and I have thought about it, desired it, and almost done it but the drug addicted mother backed out and disappeared. We then, after much soul searching, decided that we can help many more children and use our time much more efficiently on a larger scale if we DON’T adopt. It was a hard decision, not made lightly, but made because we DO care so much what happens to these children. I have historically done this through the system. Right now I am looking into becoming a CASA volunteer, among other things I already do, including having a separate set aside just to meet financial needs as we become aware of them. I know MANY people doing things such as this. You guys must not hang with the right crowds. (separate fund set aside. It also won’t let me insert missing words!)
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August 18, 2011 at 6:07 am
NunYa, if you had talked to those 156 other demosntrators in my town about how little so-called “pro-lifers” cared for real human beings, each one of them would have told you about knowing a family that had adopted five kids. You would have come away with the erroneousd idea that there were at least 780 children adopted by those 160 demonstrators. It’s exactly what you are doing by naming all those other wonderful people. The fact is, you are not and you have not. Even if you do, it is highly unlikely that you will volunteer to the extent that it gets in the way of your retirement nest egg (I calculated a loss of $70,000 in mine midway through those decades, your budget or your preferred social commitments.
You reveal the secret drive of so-called “pro-lifers” when you say that adopting 10 or eleven kids would “limit” you to helping “only” those. People by and large are unaware of the so-called “pro-lifer” compulsion to be a hero on a big scale. Actually rescuing ten or eleven real children is not enough! It has to be an “unborn innocent” who’s going to be “tortured.” Now THAT’S real heroism!!!
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August 18, 2011 at 6:36 am
NY! I warned you about this guy! Now you’re in his pit and sinking rapidly.
Grab hold of a branch and pull yourself free or we’ll never hear from you again.
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August 18, 2011 at 9:23 am
Actually, what did happen to Nunya? How come folks come on then leave, yet John is the only stalwart??
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August 18, 2011 at 11:44 am
She’s on vacation with her iPad. Must have left the 3-foot rosary at the convent, which makes it a real vacation…
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August 18, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Pat, if I’m ever tempted to leave, save for sabotage, I’ll remind myself that I might be your, and Kate’s, and Chuckles’, and Rog’s, and Mary’s, and the AIs’ only hope. My altruism wouldn’t let me leave.
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August 19, 2011 at 10:38 am
Good decision, Johnny!
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August 19, 2011 at 10:18 am
Well I’ll try this again, but I can’t tell where it will be inserted. Why so hateful aborticentricism, with the rosary comment? I have been civil, why can’t you?
Also, since I’m away from home I had time to read your site, and it is anything but unbiased, though very professional sounding. I would like 2 comment but 4 my sanity will wait till I get back 2 my laptop!
I do personally know those ppl who have adopted, tho there is no way to prove it, just as u have no way to verify that those n ur town did or didn’t really know ppl who had adopted. I’m sure they know ppl all over the country, as I do.
I have no retirement nest egg. I live wk 2 wk.
It’s not a “secret” drive. Ppl from all walks of life and belief systems care about those less fortunate than themselves.
I realize that lots of Pro lifers behave very badly, as do pro choicers, but trying to vilify EVERYONE in a specific group or belief system belies you to be biased and even illogical. I think there are PEOPLE who behave badly and Handle things horribly, no matter how good the motive, and PEOPLE who don’t. On both sides of any issue or disagreement.
I have no compulsion to b a hero. None of the ppl I associate with do. Most of us keep what we do to ourselves, other than the obvious things, such as adoption. Do you believe philanthropists r trying to b heroes? R they suffering from psychosis? R they doing “enough”?
Unaware human life n the womb is still human life. Unborn humans r innocent. Unborn humans r being torn apart and killed. I guess if it is ever proven that they can’t feel it we can leave off the tortured part. The rest still stands.
You should be helping the worlds less fortunate, especially suffering children. It does not matter if u agree w y they r suffering. Kudos if u r, shame on u if ur not.
John, I’m not sinking at all.
Pat, no disrespect, but do u read the comments?
Thank god 4 autofill and nimble fingers. I’m getting the hang of this.
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August 19, 2011 at 10:41 am
Welcome back, Nunya. As for your question to me, I have to admit that at times I just glance at the comments if they look like the same old stuff. LIke when Charles starts going off on his abortiocentrism stuff 🙂 And I tend to blank out a little when I see a lot of quoting of scriptures, etc. No offense, but it’s not my book . And I”m sure not everyone reads every word I write.
Why do you ask, did i not respond to something?
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August 19, 2011 at 1:30 pm
“And I”m sure not everyone reads every word I write.” — don’t sell yourself short, Pat. You’re my mentor . . . except for that one tiny little detail.
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August 19, 2011 at 1:30 pm
If you’d chosen NunNo as your nom de plume rather than NunYa, the rosary joke wouldn’t have been so enticing. Obviously you’re not a recovering Catholic.
The aobrticentrism website is biased the way the DSM-IV is biased: if you find something non-factual there, you’re welcome to refute it, but you’ll have to start with the cited references, such as the textbooks on pediatric nursing and pediatric psychology. Have at it!
Philanthropists might or might not want to be heroes; but I’m talking about so-called “pro-lifers.”
Life is not human until a primary caretaker deems it so and accepts the responsibility to make it human. After birth, it is in the state’s power. Before birth, the only one who can do so is the pregnant man or woman. Yiou cannot make that judgment for them without risking the infliction of the next Ted Bundy on the world. You must be responsible for the baby somebody else will not– which means uterine implantation for you.
Your anecdotal evidence about adoption is compelling only as far as you can see. Statistically, it is well proved that so-called “prro-lifers” adopt at no greater a rate than the general population. I know you’ld like it to be otherwise, but it just isn’t so. The interesting thing is that you NEED it to be otherwise– or your belief system starts to crumble.
As for “being a hero,” you don’t conscsiously work at it, but it is part of your makeup as a result of your fear of death (which abortion reminds you of). If something as “sweet, innocent, pure, untainted, childlike” etc., can be killed, how much mless worthy of you dying?
The so-called “pro-lifer” needs to prove to herself that she can overcome Death (particularly, her own) by “rescuing” some vicitm. Since the fetus is an ideal victim (she can posit any attributes she wants for it without fear of contradiction), it’s a very convenient way of becoming a hero.
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August 19, 2011 at 1:40 pm
“After birth, it is in the state’s power.” This is crazy. How can you keep repeating this craziness?
My damaged son is 44 and heavily into government assistance. And now “it is in the state’s power”? It can be killed by the government? I could have killed all five if its sibling its when I had them in my power?
Chuck, I am beginning to believe you’re hopeless.
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August 19, 2011 at 10:26 am
Responsible, I will answer ur question next week. It’s really hard to answer n depth from an iPad. The comment box hides the screen and I have to try and remember what was said. I just did it on another comment and now my brain is coding.
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August 19, 2011 at 10:43 am
My comment boxes get hidden also, not sure how to fix it.
Meanwhile, Nunya, pardon me if you’ve answered this already buy what do you do that makes you work from “week to week?” That sounds kinda tough…
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August 19, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Hi Pat, I asked because u asked where I was, and I had just told everyone a couple od comments b4 that, lol.
I am not working now, my husband is an independent contractor. I worked for 15 of the last thirty years, homeschooling my kids also. My husband does well and has several crews, but the last four years were tough, but behind us, thankfully.
I have done very little in the “movement” lately, but I’ve never stopped helping and caring for children (and adults) in need. That is a responsibility we all share.
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September 27, 2011 at 8:39 am
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February 9, 2014 at 3:29 pm
Nick, did this girl wear the swimsuit to be holy and show her hnsioels to the world, or did she wear this swimsuit because her conviction was to be holy before the Lord? The girl had the right to be at the beach and if she was willing to stand out and not be the norm, but hold to her convictions, she should be applauded, not condemned.
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December 31, 2016 at 9:54 pm
This post may be attention that is worth everyone’s. When can I learn more?
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