I was talking to an old friend of mine yesterday, a doctor who used to perform abortions in the Midwest years ago. He retired in 2004 and in the course of the conversation we started talking about, as he put it, the “wild west days” when the bullets were flying and the bombs exploding at abortion clinics all across the country. He then expressed his concern that the younger activists do not remember or just simply did not know what was going on in this country at that time.
As a staff person for the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, I was in the middle of it all. Our office served as one of the “command posts” that sprung into action when the crap hit the fan. The minute we got the news about a shooting or any other kind of violent act, we would send out an “Emergency Fax” to all of our clinics alerting them about the incident. The main reason why we did this was to simply let them know that one of their colleagues had been involved in some heinous act and more often than not the other clinics would communicate their concerns and well wishes to their friends who had just joined the growing number of victims of anti-abortion violence. In essence, we generated a nationwide group hug.
After talking to this doctor, I started to think about the particularly “bad” years and 1997-1998 was a period that really stuck out in my mind. Yes, by that time several doctors had been murdered and other acts of violence had been committed, but this time period was a particularly bad one:
In January, 1997, a bomb exploded outside an office building in Atlanta that housed an abortion clinic. Then, an hour later, while the police and rescue workers were still on the scene, another bomb exploded near a trash can. Seven people were injured;
In March, a Molotov cocktail was thrown into the window of Family Planning Associates and an anti-abortion advocate drove his truck through the doors of another clinic in the area. Two weeks later, four fires were set on the roof of the Mountain Country Women’s Clinic in Montana;
In May, an arsonist drove up to the Lovejoy Surgi-Center, ran a hose from a metal drum containing an unidentified flammable liquid into the clinic and ignited it. A month later, an incendiary device was thrown through a hole cut into the air conditioning duct on the roof of the West Alabama Women’s Center;
A few months later, a bomb exploded at the New Woman All Women Health Care in Alabama killing an off duty policeman and critically injuring a nurse. Five months later, in the space of one week there were eight butyric acid attacks on clinics in Florida. In these cases, the assailant injected the acid into the clinic using a syringe and because of the horrific and noxious smell, the clinics had to be evacuated, washed down and closed for several days. This incident started a spate of similar attacks over the next few months;
Towards the end of 1998, my good friend, Doctor Barnett Slepian, was murdered in upstate New York when anti-abortion activist James Kopp fired a shot through a window in his house.
This list is, of course, a small sampling of what was going on in those days. And, as I read this list and recall the people involved, I honestly do get chills. I can remember the fear, the loss, the insanity and the sense of helplessness that overwhelmed all of us.
Today, there is less violence when compared to those days but that is no consolation. History can repeat itself and so every so often I intend to write about an incident or two in more detail in the hopes of reminding those coming up behind us of the sacrifices made by the doctors, the staff and others in defending the right to choose abortion. I also look forward to seeing our friends in the pro-life movement condemning the violence.
October 9, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Normally the self-proclalimed “pro-lifers” back off when the threat of prosecution is more believable. When my mother got involved with them, they were openly assaulting clinic buidlings because the city’s attorney would do nothing. When he was replaced, they downshifted to the level of harassment.
ON the national level, it was assumed that having a Republican administration would cause them to throttle back as their agenda was implemented politically, but it turns out that they get more actively criminal. This probably has to do with both the lesser likelihood of enforcement and the relaxed legal pressure.
It makes one wonder why 97-98 are regarded as among the worse, with Janet Reno as Clinton’s Attorney General.
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October 10, 2011 at 8:36 am
We always wondered, Charles, why the crap really hit the fan when Reno was around. I will tell you that it took us quite a while to get them to aggressively enforce the FACE Act.
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October 13, 2011 at 6:05 pm
actually, pat, quite often FACE is not at all enforced.
it is my understanding that law enforcement in allentown have stated that someone has to be hurt before it is enforced.
i have also seen videos to that effect with one chief of police stating that he refused to enforce it because it was easier to give those blocking entry and exit from a clinic their way.
interestingly enough, FACE also protects religious institutions using the same criteria that it protects abortion clinics.
but i bet that the law enforcement agencies that refuse to enforce it for the clinics would enforce it if a church or synagogue were defaced.
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October 9, 2011 at 1:55 pm
This is hyperbole, Pat. I lived through those days too and all I can say is you guys were a lot more scared than you had reason to be. Check with Kate to find out how the memory plays tricks on us.
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October 10, 2011 at 8:39 am
Everything I recounted, John, actually happened so I dont know how you can say it is “hyperpole.”
As for your “living through those days,” gimme a friggin break! Are you telling me that whenever you approached your car, you were looking around for some assailant? After Bart Slepian was killed by your buddy, did you keep your curtains closed in your home? I can tell you personally that I was scared to be standing in front of a window and my kids were told to stay away as well. But I guess we were just imagining things, huh?
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October 10, 2011 at 10:24 am
Yeah, as i said earlier, someone like Jim Kopp comes along about once every five years. That was you conscience you were hiding from.
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October 9, 2011 at 3:15 pm
66 million killed since 1973…now who is more dangerous? duh!
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October 9, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Insentient potentials that died. And 66 million sentient women who kept their lives, who continued to take care of their sentient children. Compare that to outstanding sentient doctors and nurses who have families and co-workers who were murdered and maimed. You can’t compare apples and oranges.
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October 10, 2011 at 8:44 am
It’s funny cause when I was writing my piece, I was gonna say something asking you folks to not give me the same ole stuff about all the poor little humans that have been killed…..How predictable!
So, Anonymous, does this mean that you condone the killing of doctors who perform abortions?
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October 10, 2011 at 11:11 am
Goodness, no. I believe that the only murderers are those zealots who killed the doctors and nurses. I don’t condone any killing.
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October 9, 2011 at 3:19 pm
I also look forward to seeing our friends in the pro-life movement condemning the violence.”
With every breath I take! It is your side who has to stop the violence against the most innocent amoung us.
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October 9, 2011 at 6:17 pm
A, you are absolutely right, but we can’t blame the killers’ helpers. They know that when they shout “Violence,” 94% of us prolifers believe them. It all started with Charlie Rice out at Notre Dame. Don’t resort to violence, Charlie told us in the early 80’s, and the bishops had their rationalization for allowing the torturing to death of the next fifty million..
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October 10, 2011 at 8:45 am
Actually, I responded above before I saw your post #4, Anonymous.
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October 9, 2011 at 4:05 pm
“The most innocent among us…” Innocent the way an earthworm is innocent.
A hero looks much more heroic when the victim he saves is “innocent.” Nobody thanked Norman Mailer for saving Jack Abbott from prison to kill again.
But when the object of rescue is a humanoid figure who would scare the bejesus out of you in a dark alley, it’s not likely you’re going to be a hero. So you have to doll it up. Here are the standard rules on how to do that:
1. Hide the fact that it might be a killer. A fetus can kill its host in fifteen minutes by eclampsia, or it can leave her crippled by stroke for life.
2. Hide the fact that it is insentient and has no concept of self, no understanding of its environment and no exercise of any human faculties. People will snicker if they realize you’re trying to save a being that survives by a form of parasitism.
3. Nevertheless, work to make your hearer identify with it, to believe it is just like he is in all ways. Use Biblical references where possible, but avoid Ecclesiastes IV, i-iii.
4. Hide the fact that you are not responsible after the 270-day trial period for anything anybody does to the “victim” you’ve rescued. Once it’s a real person, all bets are off. Never mind if it’s killed while its mom has a postpartum psychosis episode. It’s not your problem.
5. For the above rule, DO NOT mention Luke 10: xxv-xxxvii. This would make you theologically liable to care for a real child much more than you’d want to– and if he turns out to be the next Ted Bundy or Dick Cheney, people won’t thank you for it. Your entire effort will have been wasted.
6. And never mention how little effort you have to put into saving it– no meds, no medical expenses, no changes in diet, work routine, exercise; no giving up smoking, substance abuse, alcohol, tobacco; no dipping into savings or IRA.
7. Just remember: you’re doing all this to nurture a child. You’re just doing this to feel better, so good for you! You’re a hero.
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October 9, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Vital amendment to #7: “Just remember: you’re NOT doing all this to nurture a child. You’re just doing this to feel better,so good for you! You’re a hero.
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October 9, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Does anybody read this crap Chuck pours forth? It is nonsense repeated endlessly.
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October 9, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Does anybody listen to this crap John Dunkle pours forth? It is nonsense repeated endlessly.
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October 10, 2011 at 4:00 am
Why the heck am I such a great teacher.
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February 9, 2014 at 5:12 pm
The truth just shines thurgoh your post
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October 9, 2011 at 8:37 pm
The title of the post is “Lest we forget”
What are we forgetting?
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October 10, 2011 at 4:02 am
We are forgetting that you have killed sixty million of us and we have killed six of you.
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October 10, 2011 at 5:42 am
If you are writing about it, you are not forgetting. If you are writing about 60 million of us, as in 60 million of us who are non sentients, then you are damning yourself as you who are incapable of thinking, feeling. I bit nonsensical, methinks.
But you and others who claim, as the Emperor claimed, wrongly to know the truth are fooling no one. You have holes in your prolife garments. You fervently overvalue the humanity of an embryo/fetus and undervalue the humanity of those men, women and children who are killed as a result of war, incarceration, poverty and other social ills. No seamless garment just pro fetus.
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October 10, 2011 at 7:45 am
Kate, you can’t name a perceived weakness in someone and then say that gives you the right to kill her! For example, i think you are a non-sentient. Does that give me the right to kill you?
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October 10, 2011 at 10:46 am
And “seamless garment” brings us back to that stupid cardinal who invented the term. Of course morality is inter connected (seamless), of course one cannot violate one aspect of morality without damaging the whole. What this stupid cardinal failed to see was that a section of the garment, the section that prohibits murder, was in tatters. So of course all those other aspects of morality, the ones Chuckles brings up endlessly, suffer too, and will continue to suffer even more egregiously, until that section of the garment can be mended. I’m giving the cardinal the benefit of doubt when I call him stupid. He might have been devious.
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October 10, 2011 at 8:48 am
So, Bart Slepian was the same as a little 7 week fetus????
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October 10, 2011 at 10:27 am
Course not! Bart was guilty as hell!
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October 10, 2011 at 1:06 pm
He was guilty of nothing except helping women achieve their own life, liberty and and pursuit of happiness.
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October 14, 2011 at 4:00 am
NOT FUNNY…YOU MAKE ME WANT TO VOMIT!!!
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October 14, 2011 at 4:08 am
Just because Pat compared Bart to some little guy?
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February 9, 2014 at 2:40 pm
You codl’nut pay me to ignore these posts!
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October 14, 2011 at 5:58 pm
he tends to have that effect, doesn’t he?
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October 10, 2011 at 4:50 am
The unnoticed effect of the so-called “pro-lifers’ ” plaint that “pro-choicers” have killed millions and millions:
It obscures their indifference to what happens after they are born. Had those fetuses become real babies, “pro-choicers” would have the argument that the self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” had casually dismissed the needs of sixty million children who needed good public schools, good after-school care, $60,000 worth of basic medical attention, safe neighborhoods and better protection from commercial television, among other things.
The members of that dysfunctional self-help group need to be called to account for their overwhelming need to feel better about the absence of abortion rather than to care for real human life.
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October 10, 2011 at 6:48 am
It is sad that most of you have missed the point of this article!! To those of you that are “anit-choice”…Pat is talking about actual “BORN” people that have been “MURDERED” by a group of “religous zealots”!!!
For some reason “religious zealots” believe that “murder” is the way to make their point…whether it is here in the U.S. or in the middle east…
Somehow I don’t think that is WJWD….
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October 10, 2011 at 8:43 am
Lorraine,
I am not convinced that any of these zealots worry or even consider WJWD. It’s more likely that they do as they please.
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October 10, 2011 at 8:51 am
Good point, Lorraine. Yeah, can you imagine Jesus standing outside of a clinic screaming at women? Can you imagine him walking up to a doctor with a shotgun and shooting him in the face? It’s interesting how pro-lifers keep talking about Jesus and God but they certainly dont act out the way he would have….
So, tell me, Voice, John, etc. Let’s say Jesus was anti-abortion, what would he have done to stop abortions?
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October 10, 2011 at 10:30 am
He would have taken a weapon, walked right into the mill, and whipped out the killers and their helpers who were in there. And his followers would have been numerous enough and strong enough for the kayhaitchers to be too scared tor retaliate.
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October 15, 2011 at 12:06 pm
i think he would remind us that his greatest commandment to us is to love one another as he loves us, and instruct us to help change the situations in many of these women’s lives that make them seek abortion to begin with, as an example of that love.
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October 10, 2011 at 8:52 am
They use Jesus up to a point, then abandon his ways. They are certainly not preaching love…
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October 10, 2011 at 9:40 am
The incident that was a real corker came from one of our Saturday boys, one of John Dunkle’s buddies. This guy is forever invoking the “in the name of Jesus” line but one day he ramped up things. A mother made the mistake of telling him that her daughter had been raped. He told the mother that if the child was conceived in rape, it was the way God wanted it. And even though the woman told him to stop harassing her, he continued.
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October 10, 2011 at 10:36 am
LDM, you’re back! Still spewing nonsense, but I’m glad to see you’re back.
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October 10, 2011 at 9:41 am
here’s the link to the video where John’s buddies keep harassing this poor woman
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October 10, 2011 at 10:34 am
Am I the only one who thinks this is a great prolife video?
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October 11, 2011 at 9:06 am
No. I see nothing wrong with this man asking this woman not to kill her baby.
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October 12, 2011 at 4:16 pm
It’s not a baby unless SHE says it is, voice. If YOU think it’s a baby, you should offer to be the surrogate host. What’s holding you back? I can arrange it for you. My fee is $1000. How much do you want to save just one of your “unborn humans?” $1000 worth?
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October 12, 2011 at 8:14 pm
sure
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October 13, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Okay, voice, Bethany says they’ll process you and if you fit the parameters, they’ll pay you upwards of $22,000-$45,000. I’ll provide the info for you as soon as you provide me proof that you have posted a $46,000 bond to assure performance on your part. If it’s not cheaper than paying the $1000 up front, instruct your attorney to contact me by mail to arrange for payment in exchange for the contact information. I oly stipulate a $46,000 bond to ensure that you actually sacrifice on behalf of, rather than enrich yourself from, a fetus.
May you not have morning sickness! I do so look forward to photos. Love and kisses!!
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October 12, 2011 at 9:41 am
Actually, I was kinda laughing when I watched this. What a pathetic way to spend a beautiful Saturday. And how terribly mean. The good news is that these kind of folks are dying off, the protest movement for the most part is a hollow shell of what it once was….
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October 12, 2011 at 10:30 am
Mean? What’s mean about it?
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October 12, 2011 at 11:16 am
“protest movement for the most part is a hollow shell of what it once was…’
Absolutely right, Pat.
When we were employing force during the days of Operation Rescue, we came close to ending legal baby killing. Now we are simply pests. Nothing more.
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October 12, 2011 at 11:56 am
I don’t agree John. The 100+ babies saved the last few weeks during the 40 days for life campaign are worth every effort. You just never know when someone might listen and you never know who has listened that you don’t know about.
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October 12, 2011 at 3:55 pm
I sit corrected.
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October 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Laughing at them is very wounding to them, Pat. They want to be recognized as serious heroes. Considering how far they are willing to go to be seen as such, you could be inviting homicide.
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October 13, 2011 at 5:31 pm
they’re not just pests, Pat; they are obsessed pests. It’s funny, but just today Harper’s magazine reported that compulsion underlies obsession, and obsession is what we see here.
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October 10, 2011 at 9:44 am
Here’s a few more featuring John and his buddy Joe—all Saturday morning protesters
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October 10, 2011 at 1:13 pm
No so good as the last one but still prolife.
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October 12, 2011 at 9:44 am
I think I am actually feeling sorry for these folks. This is their way of contributing to society? It is so pathetic, what a waste of time…
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October 12, 2011 at 10:32 am
It’s not a waste of time. Babies are saved from death regularly because people are willing to do this. The 40 days for life campaign has seen over 100 saved in just the last few weeks.
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October 12, 2011 at 4:18 pm
If you’re not the primary caretaker, voice, you have no claim to calling a fetus a baby. Whence this delusion???
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October 13, 2011 at 6:38 am
OK, Chuck, so I’m not your primary caretaker. Still I can claim to call you an adolescent. Why do only primary caretakers get to say who is a fetus,who is a toddler, who a baby, who a child, who an adolescent, who an adult, and so on. Whence this delusion?
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October 13, 2011 at 5:35 pm
I never claimed primary caretaker exclusivity for anyone but a pregnant woman. A real child has its personhood legally protected by the state, because the child can contribute to or detract from the common good as a member of society. (A fetus cannot.) Therefore it is the state’s interest to see that any child is nurtured in such a way that it will contribute to rather than undermine society. As the family and society interact to nurture the child, there is a dance of competing interests that will shift primacy in childrearing from one party to another.
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October 13, 2011 at 7:28 pm
You lost me, again.
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October 15, 2011 at 8:07 am
You might possibly have gotten a woman to leave the facility because you bunch of “wacko’s” scared her…but believe me she came back on a day you were not there or went to another clinic…if she wanted an abortion YOU did not scare her off…you just made a change in plans!!
I only hope she did NOT risk her life by trying to abort herself…because if she died then…would you be responsible for her death?? Could you be put on trial for murder?? Hmmm…if she did that then you would have been “complicit in her death” right???
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October 10, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Let’s look at the level of stupidty where eggs become people with rights
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/reader-diaries/2011/10/08/fertilized-eggs-are-not-people
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October 11, 2011 at 7:55 am
Rog, you’re back! Still spewing nonsense, but I’m glad to see you’re back.
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October 11, 2011 at 7:57 am
Let’s look at the level of stupidity where the vicious become people with rights.
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October 11, 2011 at 2:51 pm
You were an egg once…..LEST YOU FORGET!
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October 10, 2011 at 10:10 pm
>>>I also look forward to seeing our friends in the pro-life movement condemning the violence.<<<
i will condemn the violence and i will do so without comparing it to another act.
each and every act of violence is reprehensible in and of itself without the need to compare it to another.
as a lifer, i must value all human life and not cherrypick which lives have value and which don't.
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October 11, 2011 at 7:58 am
:Rog,” above, should be here.
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October 12, 2011 at 9:37 am
Thanks, Rog. As always, a calm voice of reason…
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October 11, 2011 at 9:36 am
I am aware that you guys will probably rage against me for posting the above video but while we are all caught up in discussing the violence against abortion providers and making that the issue, however horrible it may be, it in no way compares to the millions of babies that are slaughtered daily. Pat, you sarcastically said something about expecting pro-lifers to do what I just did and bring up the dead babies. Of course we bring up the dead babies. That is why we are pro-life.
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October 11, 2011 at 10:25 am
Two things about your post:
FIRST:
And you have absolutely no evidence that these images were a result of abortion vs stillbirth. It’s like the Malachi image that so many prolifers claim to be “truth” about abortion. The narratives about Malachi vary from being found frozen in a jar to being found in the trash.Yet there is no evidence from any reputable physician or forensic scientist that Malachi was aborted vs a stillbirth.
Even the iconic image that is copied and pasted on banners, posters and in pamphlets reveals false information if you just think about it. The fetal parts are laid out on a covering with a blue edge (like disposable pads used in hospitals and nursing homes) with a tape measure in the foreground that suggests the fetus was about 20 inches long. The average length of a full term newborn is 19-21 inches suggesting that Malachi was more than likely a still birth. The average length of a 21 week fetus is 10.5 inches.
So to use Malachi at a clinic that performs abortions to 17 weeks is to tell a big fat lie. But as we know from the words of Deanna and from actions outside abortion clinics, the truth is not important.
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October 11, 2011 at 2:41 pm
“And you have absolutely no evidence that these images were a result of abortion vs stillbirth.”
Actually Kate if you took the time to watch the video you would see that the babies are torn apart (no stillbirth is torn apart). Some are in in trash bags with other aborted babies (they do not put still borns or miscarriages in trash bags). Some are saline abortions (only saline aborted babies have the tail tail burn marks). So your “it doesn’t matter because the pictures aren’t real” mindset is ridiculous. You have been asked before when you brought up that argument what you think happens to the aborted baby. Does it come out whole, dressed for it’s funeral? No, it comes out in pieces with the head needing to be crushed in order to remove it. You fool yourself Kate!
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October 13, 2011 at 5:39 pm
>>>Some are saline abortions (only saline aborted babies have the tail tail burn marks)<<<
actually, saline abortions haven't been performed routinely in the US in almost 30 years and even longer in most parts of the world.
and the babies that one would see from a saline abortion would be candy apple red, not have tell tell burn marks as you state.
stillborns are sometimes aborted and often have a black color to them, whereas an aborted baby wouldn't have that.
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October 13, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Rogelio,
I am so grateful for your comments, because you and I are fully aware, I believe, of current practices and of past practices of renegade photographers and of propandists.
You and I both know what fetal tissue looks like, according to scientific web sites. But we both know, you, more than I, the impact of abortion. You are a model of living the model of “hope and help” while the dogs outside the clinic offer crumbs. You offer your home, your heart, your life. Women like Joyce offer the dregs out of a dumpster and call herself a hero. You commit to a woman with all your heart and soul, with your hearth and your life. Joyce, Katie and others offer pamphlets and other people’s trash. You are the real hero. The rest of them are something else.
You are the true, the love of Christ, the one who walks, talks.
God bless you and your young charges
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October 13, 2011 at 7:47 pm
:”stillborns are sometimes aborted. . .” Rog!
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October 11, 2011 at 10:32 am
SECOND:
Despite your fondness for wallowing in the grotesque, the fetal parts are in no way comparable to the lives of born children, men and women, doctors and nurses, mothers and fathers who zealots murder. And, I argue, viewing images of non sentient feti and body parts cannot begin to address the horrific emotional harm prolifers intentionally inflict on the very women they claim to want to help. But you can’t help people you hate, disrespect, and harass. It reminds me of a moment when J-dog implored a woman to listen to her schtick about hope and help. When the woman told her to F*CK OFF, J-dog offered the escorts a typical nasty dig “Nice clientale you folks have.” Like I said, no respect.
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October 11, 2011 at 11:22 am
I may not have evidence that this video is aborted babies but I do have evidence that aborted babies look EXACTLY like this so it really doesn’t matter.
I couldn’t care less what “Jdog” does or does not do at the clinic. That is not the issue here. It always amazes me how quickly you change the subject when the subject is the babies.
“the fetal parts are in no way comparable to the lives of born children, men and women, doctors and nurses, mothers and fathers who zealots murder”
Don’t they? Why not? They are human just like the abortionists are human. Why do the killers count and the babies being killed not count? They are only less than in your mind. In reality it’s all the same. Murder is murder, death is death, dying is dying. Each one of those dead babies mattered. Each one that you escort into that clinic to meet it’s death matters. You are no different than the “zealots'” who murder. You have simply justified your murdering to yourself. That doesn’t make it go away. And before you get started on the whole “it’s legal” therefor it isn’t technically murder line, don’t bother. The legality of it does not undo what it does. You Kate are an accessory to murderer pure and simple. As is anyone else who works in a clinic, escorts or advocates for abortion. That video shows the parts of human babies. It is a horrible way to die and you help.
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October 11, 2011 at 11:38 am
How could it be a horrible way to do if they have no sense of awareness or pain? The doctors and nurses who have been murdered, lest we forget, were totally aware. So were all those the murdered left behind, the children, spouses, sisters and brothers. They were in pain. They remember.
So if I am an accessory to murder, what does that make those who cannot stop women going in for abortions? Aren’t they equally culpable for their failures at stopping millions of women? Aren’t they guilty for failing to find the right demeanor to lure women away from abortion with their TRUTH? They stand by beseeching, screeching and . . . nothing. Guilty, I’d say, guilty of “allowing women” to have abortions. Plus, a few, lest we forget, are guilty of murder of adults who are doctors and nurses.
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October 11, 2011 at 2:23 pm
No we aren’t guilty. We try to stop it. And as for your “nothing” comment, you are wrong about that one.There have been over 100 babies saved in the 40 days for life campaign in the last two weeks. That’s not “nothing.”
The babies may not be aware of what is going on but they do feel pain (not arguing with you on that one. You know as well as I do that after a certain point in pregnancy studies prove this.)
“So were all those the murdered left behind, the children, spouses, sisters and brothers. They were in pain. They remember.”
I’m sure that they do and that is very sad. But if you go into a career that involves brutally killing innocent babies then you have made the choice to put yourself in danger and you have made the choice to risk that your family may some day suffer because of it. It’s a choice.
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October 11, 2011 at 11:44 am
So, if you don’t buy the legal technicality or, as you wrote, “The legality of it does not undo what it does” here’s a thought for you and your ilk:
To be convicted of an accessory charge, the accused (Voice, et al) must generally be proved to have had actual knowledge that a crime (abortion) was going to be, or had been, committed. Furthermore, there must be proof that the accessory (voice, et al) knew that his or her action, or inaction, was helping the criminals (the woman, the doctor) commit the crime, or evade detection, or escape.
Technically, you and your ilk are also accessories. So now that we’re accessorized, what shall we wear?
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October 11, 2011 at 2:29 pm
No, we aren’t accessories. We don’t walk them into the clinics and spend our days arguing as to why they should be able to kill their baby. We don’t make documentaries showing how sad it is that the pro-lfers want us to stop. Our government has made it a crime for us to try and stop abortion with force. So we try every legal means there are to stop it. That does not make us an accessory.
Kate, you cannot escape your guilt by trying to put it off on pro-lifers. You are guilty. Even if you were right and we are guilty because we don’t forcefully stop it that in no way changes the fact that you are guilty of being an accessory to murder. YOU… HELP…. PEOPLE…. DIE…. EVERY… WEEKEND!
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October 12, 2011 at 7:11 pm
>>>No, we aren’t accessories. <<<
yes ma'am you are,and so am i.
if we pay taxes, we are paying for babies to be aborted.
choicers say that there are no taxpayer funded abortions and lifers say that the funds to PP are fungible.
when the mexico city policy/global gag rule was rescinded, it once again enabled taxpayer funded abortions abroad.
so either way,whether you are choicer or lifer, your taxes pay for abortions somewhere, and are hence, an accessory.
OOOORALE!
you have been rogelio'd!
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October 13, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Rog’s right here: “yes ma’am you are,and so am i. if we pay taxes, we are paying for babies to be aborted.”
That’s why my heroes are the fifteen or so in jail. They are not paying for others to be tortured to death.
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February 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm
Full of salient points. Don’t stop beniivelg or writing!
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October 11, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Kate as the retired Director of a clinic for over 20 years …I agree with every word you wrote!! As a woman that had an “illegal abortion” in SC in 1969 I pray that NO other women has to go through that “horror”!!!
After my abortion as a young woman I devoted my professional life to see that women were able to access “SAFE & LEGAL ABORTION” we can never go back!!!
That tape is dramatic…in a perfect world…abortion would NOT be necessary…But the anti-choice crowd “wants their cake and eat it too!!” They don’t want sex ed…they don’t want birth control that is effective..they don’t want abortion!! So how do they really propose to achieve this idyllic world where “life is perfect… there are NO unwanted/unplanned pregnancies…there are NO rapes or incest or birth defects….or that due to a medical emergency the woman’t life is in danger??”
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October 11, 2011 at 2:59 pm
“After my abortion as a young woman I devoted my professional life to see that women were able to access “SAFE & LEGAL ABORTION”
After my abortion as a young women I devoted my professional life to killing unborn babies by the thousand because I thought women should be able to legally kill their babies not like me who had to break the law to do it.
Lorraine, let me ask you a question. Every day when you drove into your killing job did you ever think about the babies being thrown out with the garbage? I am sure you saw them, you had to have seen them. What did they look like to you? Did they look human? Did you ever wonder if they mattered. Did you ever think about what they would have become had you not helped kill them? How many women regretted doing it? How many of those women that you “helped” are now on drugs or addicted to alcohol to numb the pain. How many committed suicide? Do you know? Do you care? Or are you just retired sitting on all of your blood money? Do you drive a car bought with the blood of some of those babies? Your house? Your furniture? When you sit on your sofa do you remember the babies you killed? No? Well you should!
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October 11, 2011 at 3:13 pm
“They don’t want sex ed…”
(most of us are not opposed to sex ed as long as it is not given to 8 year olds , is given with parental knowledge and participation, includes abstinence as it’s main goal and does not include perversion and abortion advocacy or like Planned Parenthood telling children they “may be ready for sex”. Sex education is not the problem. Adults with agendas are the problem)
“they don’t want birth control that is effective.” (most of us are not opposed to birth control. What we are opposed to is adults pushing birth control on children as if they are animals with no self control and using abortion as a backup)
“.they don’t want abortion!!” (you got that one right)
” So how do they really propose to achieve this idyllic world where “life is perfect…” (There is no such thing as an idyllic world but the mistake is thinking that killing a child takes away the problems.)
“there are NO unwanted/unplanned pregnancies…” (first it’s a BABY. There are NO unwanted babies. Some just aren’t wanted by their mothers)
“there are NO rapes or incest or birth defects…”(none of these justify killing a baby. Not one of them! Birth defects do not! Rape does not! Incest does not!)
“.or that due to a medical emergency the woman’t life is in danger??”” (It is only in extremely rare cases that abortion can even be mentioned as a potential means of saving the mother’s life. Former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, stated in a 1996 New York Times editorial that because of the advances in modern medicine, “partial-birth abortions are not needed to save the life of the mother” (1). Sixteen years earlier, he wrote: “In my thirty-six years in pediatric surgery I have never known of one instance where the child had to be be aborted to save the mother’s life.” Even Planned Parenthood’s Dr. Alan Guttmacher acknowledged, “Today it is possible for almost any patient to be brought through pregnancy alive, unless she suffers from a fatal illness such as cancer or leukemia, and, if so, abortion would be unlikely to prolong, much less save, life.”….straight from the horses mouth!).
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October 11, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Voice,
You did not ask A question. You bombarded Lorraine with ludicrous questions. Furthermore, you and your ilk don’t get it. Women’s lives matter. Just because you see fetuses as babies or as mini adults, the majority of the country does not because they value women more.
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October 11, 2011 at 2:48 pm
“Despite your fondness for wallowing in the grotesque”
I do not have a fondness for the grotesque. It nauseates me every time I see these pictures and I have been seeing pictures like these for years. But more than it nauseates me it angers me that self centered people cause this and do it to the babies. It angers me that our country has gotten so calloused that we condone such a thing. It angers me that there is even a need for us to have this conversation. It angers me that money and greed and agendas are more important than a babies life. It angers me that there are thousands upon thousands of couples seeking to adopt these babies but cannot because they are thrown in the trash. It angers me that women are hurting and desperate because they believed the pro-choice lies. So yes, I show the pictures and I talk about the reality of abortion. I have to…..lest you forget!
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October 13, 2011 at 5:32 pm
You, Voice, wallow in the grotesque, the remorse, the garbage, the greed, the selfish. In fact, you’re quite negative.
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October 13, 2011 at 7:46 pm
So sorry Kate to offend you but the reality is that abortion is grotesque. Babies are treated like garbage for greed because of selfishness. I am negative about it because there is nothing positive about it to focus on. Sorry but I can’t make nicey nice about baby killing.
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October 13, 2011 at 7:50 pm
So is abortion the sole focus of your life? Do you have nothing else?
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October 14, 2011 at 4:34 am
“So is abortion the sole focus of your life? Do you have nothing else?”
Sure, but what I’m afraid of is that when I die, Jesus will say, “Dumbkle, while you were alive, Satan tortured to death almost a hundred million of your brothers and sisters. What did you do to stop him?”
My answer would have to be, “I tried to show Kate Ranieri why she shouldn’t be acting as his handmaiden.”
Think that will be enough to save my ass?
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October 14, 2011 at 7:44 am
John, No but it is a good as any place to start. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
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October 15, 2011 at 10:07 am
Kathleen, you never got back to me about your anti-abortion activism before Roe v. Wade. How active against it were you then?
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October 15, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Chuckles remembers his every question. Too bad he forgets our every answer.
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October 14, 2011 at 4:16 am
Let’s be clear about your claims. I call you out on your wallowing and you fabricate some story about my claiming women who regret their abortion wallow. I call you out on all your negativity and you play the greed and selfish card. Is your compassion for women who chose abortion only for those who regret their decision? It seems to me that you label women who choose abortion and have no regrets as being selfish, a negative frame. Is that correct?
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October 15, 2011 at 10:14 am
Here’s a problem for you, voice: you are visiting with your grown child, Leslie, when your three-year-old granddaughter, Leslie’s child, comes over to get Leslie’s attention and lays a sticky hand on Leslie’s leg.
Leslie says, “You little shit!” and scolds her. The child remains silent and leaves.
What’s the problem here, and what do you do to deal with it?
This is a test to see if you’re as aborticentric as you appear to be.
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October 14, 2011 at 4:21 am
perfect example of bathos — I’m saving it
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October 14, 2011 at 4:22 am
That “bathos” comment should be here.
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October 14, 2011 at 7:40 am
That “bathos” comment should follow, “you’re quite negative.”
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October 14, 2011 at 10:51 am
well dunkle what do you concur to be the three ideas that women in todays standards elect to receive an abortion?
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October 14, 2011 at 11:39 am
First, let me put it into English:
“Well, Dunkle, do you know the three main reasons why women choose abortion?”
Uh, uh.
Oops, you worded this better up there in #21, Andy, but my answer is still “uh, uh.”
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October 12, 2011 at 9:49 am
non sentient ….
sounds like the anonymous poster above..kate, kate, kate, you fool no one but yourself!
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October 13, 2011 at 5:52 pm
they wallow in the grotesque because without it their fight does not seem like an heroic battle.
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October 12, 2011 at 9:46 am
Voice, actually I have no problems with you posting videos like this since pro-choicers post their videos. All I would ask is that people on BOTH sides refrain from doing it too much because it takes up a lot of space. If EITHER side starts getting too crazy with this stuff, we’ll shut down all videos. Thanks folks!
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October 14, 2011 at 1:23 pm
“Of course we bring up the dead babies. That is why we are pro-life.”
We love to talk about death. That’s what pro life means….death, grisly and bloody.
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October 11, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Voice…”It angers me that there are thousands upon thousands of couples seeking to adopt these babies”
PLEASE…DO NOT…try to make women that are faced with an unplanned/unwanted pregnancy the savior for couples…they are not responsible to help anyone except themselves!! Women/Couples that are unable to conceive are heartbreaking…but want to “force” another women to be the answer is NOT the answer!!!
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October 11, 2011 at 3:48 pm
no one is “forcing” anyone to do anything. You said the babies were unwanted and I simply stated that they were not unwanted.
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October 11, 2011 at 9:05 pm
To the women who are pregnant and who do not want to be pregnant, the little “babies” as you insist on saying, are unwanted. Lest you forget.
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October 12, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Any time you support a law restricting a woman’s right to control over her own body, her own home and the size of her own family, you are complicit in forcing her to do something. A lot of Nazis went to the gallows even though they never shot a prisoner of war or a Jew.
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February 7, 2014 at 10:12 pm
The hotnesy of your posting shines through
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October 11, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Emily Martin wrote a book, The woman in the body, (Johns Hopkins University) years ago and in that book she essentially mapped out how women are framed as manufacturers. Making babies. Once she’s no longer fertile, she’s dried up, useless. And if she’s incapable of conception, she’s a bust. It’s a powerful book that looks at the way women are framed as, essentially, brood mares. And then we have someone like Voice, essentially repeating the mantra…make dem babies. Like I said before, women are not on this earth to supply the universe with children. Those who want them, fine. Those who don’t, that’s fine too.
I actually heard our illustrious J-dog talking about how young unwed girls could make money by giving up their kids for adoption. Sounds like slave traffic to me. I’d agree that women faced with unplanned pregnancies are not responsible for infertile women. If that were the case, then we’d have the realization of Margaret Atwood’s dystopia, The Handmaiden’s Tale.
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October 13, 2011 at 5:38 pm
It angers voice that there are “thousands upon thousands” who want to adopt; it doesn’t anger her that there are ten thousands upon ten thousands of babies nobody wants to adopt. Where is this coming from?
Why won’t someone adopt a baby the way God ordered it to be born?
Don’t they understand God has a black sense of humor? Why don’t they at least help the social agency out by renting it for a month or two?
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October 11, 2011 at 6:13 pm
“…make dem babies. Like I said before, women are not on this earth to supply the universe with children. Those who want them, fine. Those who don’t, that’s fine too.”
The PROBLEM Kate is by the time they get to the clinic they have already made a baby. Like I have told you repeatedly, the question is not will she make a baby but rather will she kill it after she made it. If she doesn’t want to “supply the universe with children” then she should probably research what it is that makes babies (sex) and take the appropriate measures to not do that or do it with protection until she is ready to give birth. Again, by the time she gets to the abortion clinic she has already created life. Now what is she going to do? Take that life? Destroy that created life? Pretend as if it doesn’t matter? Oh wait, I forgot, you said that it doesn’t matter and that women have no remorse whatsoever that they just killed their baby. Never mind. I forgot that babies are garbage.
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October 11, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Why is this a problem? She doesn’t want to be pregnant, then she has an abortion. Abortion is a good choice for many good women for good reasons.
And if she wants to have sex, it’s not a problem. Sex is a natural activity. But while it makes common sense to some to use contraceptives, not all women have orderly lives. And not all men have orderly lives. Mistakes happen. Women get pregnant unintentionally. Women choose abortion because they do not want to be pregnant. You can rail against this until the end of your life but it will not change matters when a woman wants an abortion. She will find a way to procure one or attempt to to do it herself.
Knowing that women will go to such great lengths to abort should tell you something IF you’d just think about it long enough.
Even before Roe v Wade, even before there were all those awful folks telling those terrible “prochoice lies” as you wrote, there have been women for over 4, 000 years who have chosen to terminate a pregnancy. That’s something to think about.
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October 12, 2011 at 6:38 am
They cannot back off, Kate. They need to punish, they need to condemn, they need to have an outlet for their own rage and fear about a topic they cannot deal with directly. And they can’t care for human life in the way that they say they care for a fetus. The so-called “pro-life” movement is a dysfunctional self-help program.
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October 12, 2011 at 8:45 am
Just because they figure out a way to kill their child and have been for 4000 years does not mean that it is right or moral.
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October 12, 2011 at 9:30 am
well that’s your opinion.
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October 13, 2011 at 9:47 am
If a woman chooses to be sexually active, which is her right, then she should safeguard herself against an unwanted pregnancy. If she becomes pregnant while using birth control, well that’s one of the risks you take if you’re sexually active. Accept it like an adult & deal with it, but don’t take a baby’s life because it’s “inconvenient” or you’re not ready. If you’re old enough to engage in adult behavior, then you’re old enough to take responsibility for the consequences!
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October 13, 2011 at 5:29 pm
And abortion is an adult choice.
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October 12, 2011 at 4:25 pm
So, since you can’t get off the “it’s a baby” schtick, voice, why don’t you start caring for them beyond the womb? Why are your needs sated once you know a pregnancy is to continue, even against the best interests of real children? Why do you have to get your jollies at the expense of children exposed to ignorance and want? (cf Dickens, “A Christmas Carol’)
Why can’t you take the RESPONSIBLE Right to Life pledge and do what real “pro-lifers” do– vow to raise to adulthood every “unborn human” you want “rescued”? It’s not that hard.
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October 12, 2011 at 9:47 am
Just because they figured out a way…sounds so condescending. And the language choice you use “to kill their child” adds so much condemnation of women. The reality is that doctors, midwives and herbalists of their own time approved of and used treatments to terminate pregnancies. There was no ethical component to such actions, no talk about rights or morality.It was a matter of current thinking and practicality. And when a child was born with severe defects, it was often stoned, drowned or abandoned as wholly undesirable and/or infected with demons. It wasn’t until the 19th and 20th century that individuals began to interfere in reproductive issues beginning with the rise of the AMA’s assertions of control of all things medical. Yet, even today, here in the United States, there are populations who continue to take matters in their own hands with herbs, potions and offline use of pharmaceuticals in their desire to rid themselves of an unwanted pregnancy. Many women continue to attempt to abort privately because of personal economics, because of the stigma that folks like Voice, Deanna, and others perpetuate and because they are in difficult relationships.
Men and women who choose to help by providing safe and legal abortions without all the condescension and condemnation are moral crusaders for women’s rights and freedom.
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October 12, 2011 at 10:39 am
Killing a baby is never a moral decision.
Saying so is not condemnation.
Severe defects are not justifiable reasons to kill a human being.
People have committed all sorts of heinous acts throughout history. The fact that they commit them does not make them moral. Herod killed all the male babies under age two. Was that moral? In ancient Egypt they left live babies out in the elements to die, was that moral? Hitler exterminated the Jews, was that moral? Stalin took over Poland, was that moral? China has forced abortions, is that moral? Historical immorality does not justify modern immorality. It just shows that humans can and will be evil when it suits them.
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October 12, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Not everyone lives a well ordered life. Few live according to absolutes.
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October 12, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Why oh why oh why do you always focus on killing, death, horror, rather than the needs of children? Why do you limit yourself to caring about the one segment of the life span where you can do nothing for the fetus? You can’t even donate blood! You can’t babysit; you can’t feed it; you can’t protect it from heroin, alcohol, malnutrition or stress! Yet by mere words you can portray yourself as a “rescuer.” And you never, ever have to sacrifice a minute of your time, a penny of your money, a wave of your hand to nurture the child.
Some would say you are lazy; others would say you are very clever at PR. I say it’s discrepant behavior that indicates underlying problems.
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October 12, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Once again Chuckie you have no idea what I do so your assumptions are merely words.
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October 13, 2011 at 5:44 pm
You know what you do, and that’s why you don’t say anything about it.
This is a pretty common tactic in therapy, when the patient is so threatened by whatever is lurking behind his conciousness that he absolutely refuses to open up.
The therapist knows that in the long run, just sitting and waiting can cause the analysand to risk trusting the analyst. So the therapist keeps inviting the patient back. In either event, the therapist gets paid. But that doesn’t happen here.
Too bad you’re not in a really therapeutic self-help group rather than the dysfunctional one which calls itself “pro-life.”
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October 13, 2011 at 7:35 pm
I won’t say anything about it because it’s none of your business.
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February 8, 2014 at 8:04 am
You have the monopoly on useful inarnmatioo-fren’t monopolies illegal? 😉
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October 12, 2011 at 9:48 am
I forget which group said it but….”abortion is a moral choice.”
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October 12, 2011 at 10:28 am
Pat,
I saw your comment about not posting too many videos and hear you. I was getting ready to post this one and had actually copied the URL to post when I saw your comment. So I am going to go ahead and post it but FYI I will chill on it and not post many after this.
The reason I wanted to post this one is because it is the testimony of Julia Holcomb. She was Steven Tyler’s girlfriend (Aerosmith) and aborted his baby when they were together. She tells the story of what happened to lead up to this decision( including her being trapped in a fire) and what happened afterwards including her and Steven’s post abortion issues. She talks a little about the “church”. Just to be clear I am not pushing the church. I just thought you guys might be interested in hearing her story since we have been discussing post abortion issues (or for Kate the supposedly lack thereof). There are three videos in all. This is the first one.
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October 12, 2011 at 10:40 am
Who is the “we” in “we’ve been talking about post abortion issues? It seems to me that you are the one pushing your agenda about remorse or regret. And like Pat has asked, haven’t we all regretted a decision? I certainly think so but it doesn’t mean we should outlaw abortion or kill doctors who perform abortions.
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October 12, 2011 at 11:53 am
“Who is the “we” in “we’ve been talking about post abortion issues?”
I have to admit that you are right about that one. I have been talking about it and you have been incessantly trying to prove that it doesn’t exist contrary to the testimonies of thousands of women who say otherwise.
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October 12, 2011 at 1:01 pm
By the way, the religiously and politically NEUTRAL(actually likely ran by someone who is pro-choice based on the language used on the website) website “afterabortion” has had thousands (35,000) women on message boards and in chat rooms who have discussed their post abortion stories. There have been over 2.5 million posts discussing this issue. This website details with accuracy the different stages of PASS ( Post Abortion Stress Syndrome) based upon these women’s experiences. They detail how the different ”stages” can take years to work through but in the end the women are healed and go on with their lives.
This line from the article about the different stages of PASS is very telling explaining why some pro-choice women are angry and insult others who are suffering by accusing them of “wallowing in their pain” while declaring that there is no such thing as PASS (denial stage 1 and anger stages 4 and 5).
“During the more difficult stages, women can become very vocal about their particular preference in this area (abortion). Once a woman gets to Stage 9, however, if she has strong views about abortion, she discusses them in more gentle and subtle ways.”
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October 12, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Life Site News is rapidly prolife.
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October 12, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Elliott Institute also prolife, run by none other than David Reardon. In other words, not neutral. The web site is aesthetically officious but it’s still prolife.
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October 12, 2011 at 1:39 pm
I did not reference life site news or David Reardon OR the Elliot Institute.
So what is your point?
The PASS website “afterabortion” is completely neutral (claims to be but they seem to be more pro-choice bent) even giving women links to abortion websites.
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October 12, 2011 at 3:36 pm
I stand corrected about your mention of Reardon. However, your PASS is clearly prolife if you read more critically, more closely.
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October 12, 2011 at 3:51 pm
You were sitting when you wrote this.
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October 12, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Kate, seriously? Did you even look at the PASS website? There is nothing pro-life about it. It is at best neutral. They even refer to Planned Parenthood. No pro-life organization on the planet would do that. I don’t understand why you try so hard to discredit things you know nothing about. It reveals your agenda.
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October 13, 2011 at 5:06 am
Yes, I read through the entire web site. Thank you.
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October 13, 2011 at 9:11 am
Did you? There are hundreds of pages with 2.5 million entries. You read all of that? WOW! You are quick! Get off it Kate. Your credibility is going down the toilet.
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October 13, 2011 at 5:31 pm
There are not 2.5 entries. There are links. There’s a difference, a difference which seems to escape you.
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October 13, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Hmmm. Well I wonder what THIS copied directly from their website means?
” How many stories can you go read right now, that have information and answers to questions you might have about post-abortion recovery? Literally, millions! As of 10-19-2010, the message boards have over 2,398,925 posts and 31,443 members! Because we have members from around the world in many different time zones, there is always someone on-line either posting or chatting, and they’d be happy to talk with you! Even if you don’t want to talk, there are almost 2.5 million posts you can read through, to find comfort and support. You are not alone and your feelings are shared by thousands of women around the globe. “
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October 14, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Dear Voice,
As much as it pains me to share this tidbit, millions of posts do not equate to millions of pages. Goodness, you do need to catch up with the technology. Bless your heart.
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October 13, 2011 at 5:46 pm
What is the rate of “post-abortion stress syndrome”? 0.03%/
But to the true believer, it represents 100% of abortion experiences? Why is this? Whence this focus on abortion to the exclusion of reality?
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October 13, 2011 at 7:30 am
I watched all three videos (about forty minutes) and I never watch stuff. Maybe it was the woman’s beauty that held me. A very powerful pro life statement.
The fire episode was creepy. Who was the intruder? Why did Julia black out?
I never heard of Aerosmith or Steven Tyler, but talk about creeps. And his father! Saw the big bucks rolling in and didn’t want to share. And grandma, what a witch.
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October 13, 2011 at 9:21 am
Yeah, it was creepy. If I understand it correctly (and I may be wrong) the guys who came to the apartment was Steven Tyler’s manager. The suspicion is that he set the fire to be rid of the “problem” plaguing Steven.
Steven Tyler has gone on record saying he regrets the abortion and has dealt with PAS (Post Abortion Stress) over it.
“Tabano(Tylers friend) says: “So they had the abortion, and it really messed Steven up because it was a boy. He … saw the whole thing and it [messed] him up big time.”
“It was a big crisis. It’s a major thing when you’re growing something with a woman, but they convinced us that it would never work out and would ruin our lives. … You go to the doctor and they put the needle in her belly and they squeeze the stuff in and you watch. And it comes out dead. I was pretty devastated. In my mind, I’m going, Jesus, what have I done?” Steven Tyler’s autobiography
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October 13, 2011 at 10:00 am
Wow!
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February 8, 2014 at 10:38 pm
I found myself nodding my noggin all the way thguhro.
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October 13, 2011 at 5:48 pm
In my opinion, he is a male chauvinist pig who was using the event as a reason to act the way he did. When did he ever let the woman set the course? As soon as things got uncomfortable for him, he had to take charge.
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October 12, 2011 at 4:19 pm
E.T. PHONE HOME. . . . . .
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October 12, 2011 at 4:46 pm
There are literally hundreds of stories posted on this site in which post-abortive women recount how they regret their decision to abort their children. While you pro-aborts may counter that it’s not a ‘neutral’ site please realize that no one has forced these women to recount their regret. They have ‘chosen’ to do so as a way of healing and in hopes of saving someone else the regret they now feel.
http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/testimonies/
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October 13, 2011 at 11:07 am
And please realize that there is nothing from stopping the propaganda machinery from writing BS posts. The prolife industry has never been kind to truthfulness including this lame site that begs for money, that claims to be neutral yet perpetuates the myth about post abortion stress syndrome and that hids behind a pseudonym. Learn to critically analyze materials.
The prolifers, whether online or lurking outside clinics, always show their hand. It’s like the outburst from one of dogs who was out on the street protesting today. She had a sign “Babies killed here” that offended some young woman. The woman stopped her car long enough for Bow Wow to waddle down to speak to this woman but instead was tipped her off. But this deluded dog started howling angrily about women being angry because of their abortion. So I guess she’s angry about her abortion because she keeps on yelling. Bark, bark, bark. Too bad she doesnt’ go to Rachels Vineyard for help and helping.
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October 13, 2011 at 11:44 am
more Glass House Kate venting
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October 14, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Glass House Kate?
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October 15, 2011 at 9:46 am
Yeah, someone blind to her own vulnerabilities and weaknesses but 20/20 to those she thinks she sees in others.
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October 13, 2011 at 11:48 am
I swear Kate I think you are Satan incarnate. You are the coldest most hateful uncaring person I have ever run across. And I am not just saying that because we don’t agree on abortion. How could you be so cold towards the women that you walk into that clinic? Many of them DO come out wounded but you continually insist on minimizing that pain and pretending as if it doesn’t exist. Any truthful clinic worker will tell you that some women have an extremely hard time after their abortions, some for years. But to further your agenda you are willing to throw them under the bus just to “prove” that pro-lifers are wrong. Your ultimate goal should not be to prove pro-lifers wrong especially not at the expense of the women you claim to care about. Your agenda to prove us wrong even at the cost of hurting the women further shows your true colors. You need to change that logo you have that says “trust women” because it is obvious that you care more about your agenda than you do those women. How about reading some of the stories on the afterabortion (com NOT org) website. There are over 35,000 of them who are asking for help, some of them screaming for help and you want to pretend as if they are doing it intentionally because pro-lifers talked them into it or they are “choosing” to whine about something they should have gotten over a long time ago. Some of these women are very pro-choice, even advocates, but they admit they are in pain and need help. How dare you make light of that and say they are “wallowing” in their pain then go escort more into the clinic on Saturday morning whispering to them that you trust them. Why don’t you trust them when they say they are hurting like hell and their abortions have wrecked their lives? Do you think they are lying? Delusional? Split personality? What is it Kate that makes you trust them as they walk into the clinic but then refuse to trust them as they walk out the back door? I am sure that as you read this you will just ya ya back to me and not even hear what I have said because you don’t really give a crap about the women. All you care about is the “cause”. But what you forgot is that the “cause” involves real flesh and blood women who have feelings.
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October 13, 2011 at 12:23 pm
And just what is my agenda, oh wise one? Perhaps you can answer with another one of your illustrious rants.
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October 13, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Abortion on demand without apology with no regards to the emotional health of the woman whatsoever.
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October 13, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Oh, but you’re so wrong. I said abortion on demand without apology. Translated: women should be able to have abortions when they want one and not have to apologize to anyone.
Get your facts straight.
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October 13, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Yeah, and if they do it and suffer afterwards then God knows they shouldn’t come running to you for comfort seeing how you will make fun of there babies skull getting crushed and tell them to stop in your words “wallowing in their pain”.
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October 13, 2011 at 6:00 pm
>>>I swear Kate I think you are Satan incarnate. You are the coldest most hateful uncaring person I have ever run across. And I am not just saying that because we don’t agree on abortion.<<<
i have always found kate to be warm, engaging and very loving towards me.
we don't at all agree about abortion.
but when she discovered how crushing my own experience was, she reached out to me and was genuinely happy that after a quarter century, i had found peace, and the fact that it was at RV made no difference to her.
she didn't attempt to diminish my own remorse like you do by omitting the fact that men can be affected by abortion. misandrous much, voice?
personally, i think PASS is a political ploy. certainly someone can suffer from post traumatic stress disorder after an abortion, but i feel used by those who will make an entire new name for it. their efforts would be better utilized promoting healing.
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October 13, 2011 at 7:38 pm
“i have always found kate to be warm, engaging and very loving towards me.” But that’s one of your problems, Rog. You’re so tied up in yourself that you have no idea what goes on outside of that knot. Remember denying that Kate attacked us personally? After you got crushed, you disappeared for a while. But now you’re back seemingly as dense as ever.
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October 13, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Kate, The list of things you have pinned to me is getting rather interesting. One of the dogs, hmmmm wonder what breed you were thinking of. By the way Joyce does not waddle nor does she bark, she speaks the truth. You and your kind thought it quite amusing when the young woman took off, did you know she had an abortion and is still wrestling with the fact that she killed a child. In her overwhelming grief that she was faced with at that moment her only alternative was to leave. Seems to me that Joyce angers you so what is it about her Kate that riles you so???? Maybe you need a Rachael’s Vineyard Retreat, need a room mate?
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October 13, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Kathleen, when did you become the mouthpiece for Joyce? She seems quite capable of being the MOUTH all by herself. What troubles me is that you used to be a really nice person who was quite thoughtful and compassionate towards others. But you stepped to the dark side when you saddled up with the like of your J-dog. You drank the kool-aid, sister. And it’s really sad to see such a nice person as you used to be, honest and forthright. And now you’re protecting a terrorist. Shame on you.
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October 14, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Kate, I also noticed the change in Kathleen since her side kick came along. She went from serene to sinister. Known her from the beginning and found her to be a gentle and compassionate being. What happened that she did a 180 degree turn.
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October 14, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Exactly. Kathleen Mondak seemed to be her own person, seemed to be sensible, reasonable, compassionate. Then along came the dark Kool Aid monster named Joyce. Even today, the dog had no balls. She showed up in her Lexus SUV then left. likely because no was there to protect her. No one to defend the nastiness.
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October 15, 2011 at 4:29 am
Another Escort is Bozo is Anonymous is Escort is Sarah is Helen M. is Fredrika is Kate Ranieri! Why the subterfuge?
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October 13, 2011 at 5:51 pm
And their stories are being used to propagandize the “heroism” of the self-proclaimed “pro-lifers,” who lose interest as soon as the pregnancy is assured. The chasm between their claimed care for human life and their actual care for it indicates something scary is going on.
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October 15, 2011 at 4:31 am
The only thing scary going on around here is what’s happened to your psychological equilibrium.
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October 15, 2011 at 10:22 am
handmaiden, “literally hundreds” of anything are insignificant when they are hundreds among millions. You might be gripped by their passion and intensity, but they pale in comparison to the passion and intensity of the millions of counter-stories: for example, that cutting off funding for abortion in Michigan in 1983 drove up the number of families in poverty by 20%, or that making abortion illegal reduced the national crime rates 20 years later.
You should deal with just one family that’s gone bankrupt because of medical expenses to start understanding the need to care for people rather than somebody else’s fetus.
One of the key characteristics of the aborticentric is to be fixated on abortion rather than human life.
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October 13, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Very good article but for some reason or another I don’t really feel sorry for the doctors or staff at those facilities that were attacked. Yes it is a tragedy that some were killed and other wounded but lets not forget about what goes on inside those places, babies are being killed, cut into pieces by those very people.
I cannot sit here and sympathize with you cause Pat, it is simply impossible.
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