About ten years ago, I attended the funeral of Norma Stave, a good friend who, with her husband Carl, was the co-owner of two abortion clinics in Maryland. Carl was the main physician who performed the abortions. When I arrived at the church, Carl came up to me and asked at the last second if I would deliver a eulogy. I had always been comfortable talking in front of audiences but this was a different animal. Still, I was able to get through it, using my few minutes to praise Norma for her devotion to women in need.
Skip ahead a number of years. Carl died shortly after Norma and their son, Todd, ultimately became the landlord for their two buildings. About eight months ago, Todd’s clinic in Germantown, Maryland attracted national attention when they hired Doctor Lee Carhart, a physician who worked for the late George Tiller and who vowed to continue George’s work by offering late term abortions.
Soon thereafter, local anti-abortion advocates learned that Todd owned that building where Lee worked. They quickly organized a number of protests, accomplished their goal of getting publicity in the local papers and have been a continual presence ever since. Then, looking for another angle to get their names in the papers, they decided to crawl deeper into the gutter. They learned where Todd’s 11 year old daughter was going to school and at a Back to School night, they stood outside the school with a banner that read “Please Stop Killing the Children” and the usual photos of aborted fetuses. Then, these wackos actually put Todd’s picture, phone numbers and email addresses online and urged their followers to contact him with their “prayers.” Todd was inundated with calls and emails. Nice, huh?
But Todd decided to fight back. He compiled a list of the people who were calling and emailing him and he sent that list out to 20 of his friends, urging them to call those people. He told them to not argue with them, to just be polite and tell them that “the Stave family thanks you for your prayers.” Well, those 20 friends passed on the info to their friends, and so on and so on and within two days they had 5,000 pro-choice folks making calls. Interestingly, the calls and emails to Todd’s house came to an abrupt halt.
Hmmmmmm…Is Todd on to something here?
I talked to Todd last night. He tells me that he has actually established a group called “Voice of Choice” (www.VoChoice.org) which seeks to organize a “person to person counter campaign against anti-choice bullying.” The people who volunteer are notified when a certain anti-abortion advocate is harassing a doctor and are given that person’s phone and/or email. Then they start contacting that person. Todd says they have successfully stopped the harassment in two cases already.
I have no doubt that there are some pro-choicers out there who might feel uncomfortable about stooping to the tactics normally used by the anti abortion folks. Indeed, whether or not to use these kinds of aggressive tactics has been the subject of many conversations within the pro choice movement for years. In fact, Todd told me that some national pro-choice groups have been reluctant to cooperate with his organization.
When I was in the movement, I always came down on the side of those who did not support stooping to their level. I thought it was beneath us, that we had to take the high road. And maybe I’m just getting old and cranky. But now I say screw it. As long as it’s legal, go get the bastards, Todd!
Related articles
- Turning the Tables (abortion.ws)
- Turning the Telephones on the Anti-Choice Bullies – Beacon Broadside (beaconbroadside.com)
- This One Goes Over the Line (abortion.ws)
- Countering the Anti-Abortion Bullies, Landlord Gives Them a Taste of Their Own Medicine (crooksandliars.com)
- Victim of Anti-Choice Bullying Sets Up Website to Help Others (onebluestocking.wordpress.com)
- A Pro-Choice Organization worth supporting (bullshitfighter.wordpress.com)
- Herman Cain: I’m Not Pro-Choice, I’m Pro-Choice On Getting An Illegal Abortion (mediaite.com)




November 13, 2011 at 8:05 pm
An interesting account!
Aborticentrism postulates that self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” engage in their effort only to the extent that it does not inconvenience them.
Stave’s campaign clearly imposed a burden on the “heroes for human life” and “defenders of the innocent unborn” which inconvenienced them too much.
So much for trying to be heroes on the cheap.
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November 13, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Great post!
I agree with the above.
I’m gonna check out the site and see how I can participate.
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November 14, 2011 at 11:42 am
That’s great, Jane. Todd Stave says they are always looking for volunteers. And when you think about it, you can just do it from the comfort of your home!! Saves on gas money!
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November 14, 2011 at 11:41 am
Yeah, Charles, it was real interesting how quickly they stopped, at least according to Todd.
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November 15, 2011 at 2:39 pm
I believe harassing people is wrong no matter what one believes.
Why don’t you believe that?
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November 14, 2011 at 5:51 am
I was actully one of the volunteers for Todd when the bullies were at his child’s school. Let me tell you, it was not fun talking with them on the phone. And the emails to them became license to engage them. But it worked in the long run. I’d like to see Voice of Choice contact the bullies neighbors and well as the bullies because it is my contention that they would not want their neighbors to know how they really behave. They claim to stand in a prayerful presence when in actually they scream at women.
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November 14, 2011 at 5:54 am
I’m signing up at Voice of Choice to help out to try and stop anti Abortion terrorism.
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November 14, 2011 at 7:17 am
Voice for Choice sounds great!
Thanks for that link!
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November 14, 2011 at 11:45 am
Be careful, Evan – it’s Voice OF Choice 🙂
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November 14, 2011 at 11:44 am
What do ya mean, Kate, that it was not fun talking with them? Meanwhile, however, I don’t think i could muster the energy to call their neighbors. That seems a little too intrusive (for the neighbor) for me. And it feels a little “kooky”…
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November 15, 2011 at 7:04 am
We were asked to call particular individuals who were heading the rally at the school. Trying to engage in a polite discussion with them was like talking to a machine that just kept saying the same things over and over, just like trying to talk to the knuckleheads outside the abortion clinics. It goes nowhere. And yes, it felt intrusive, something I didn’t care to continue doing because it seemed as if I was stooping to their level, that I was just exxacerbating the no-win war.
That said, I do believe there are a hefty percentage of the bully protesters who do NOT want their neighbors, family or church members to see how their ugly behavior toward women (women who are private clients and who are innocent strangers). Publicizing their behavior is what motivated ACN’s campaign to Stop Sidewalk Bullying, a campaign with questionable success. I think a campaign to send DVDs of protesters’ public behavior to neighbors, family or church members would have more of an impact.
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November 15, 2011 at 8:06 am
Re: conversations with antis
Local authorities are baffled by a series of killed conversations. Unfortunately, these untimely deaths are providing few clues to police, who arrive in time to find the corpse of a conversation lying dormant on the ground with no witnesses in sight.
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November 15, 2011 at 2:40 pm
I do not believe people should be bullies no matter what they believe.
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November 15, 2011 at 3:45 pm
when we act from emotion, Carlos, we often leave reason behind. Reason is the explanation of why we do something; belief is the excuse for why we do something.
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November 14, 2011 at 5:52 am
Hear the story:
[audio src="http://www.vochoice.org/media/Stern-Stave-Interview.mp3" /]
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November 14, 2011 at 11:45 am
Thanks for posting Jane!
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November 15, 2011 at 2:44 pm
I empathize with Stave, yet I still do not believe “giving it right back,” is the best tactic to ultimately achieve your long term goal.
Read the book,
“Getting to Yes”
It explains this concept in a different forum of negotiations.
People must take accountability to set examples of behaviour.
If someone hits you, you do not have to hit them back. There are alternatives to violence.
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November 15, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Carlos, you do not understand the aborticentrism behind the militant self-proclaimed “pro-lifer” attitude. They do not want to get to yes; they are obsessed with winning their personal (although allegorical) struggle against the oblivion that awaits their name and their memory when they die.
It would be sad to see “pro-choicers” be assertive to the point of aggression, since one of the great divides betweent he two has been the “pro-choicers’ ” use of moderation adn reason. But with Voice for Choice, we might well be seeing the pendulum reach the top of its 44-year-long arc…..
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February 8, 2014 at 5:56 pm
Thanks for your thtsohgu. It’s helped me a lot.
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November 14, 2011 at 5:59 am
Abortion is just plain wrong. Why do you people think it is OK to kill babies?
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November 14, 2011 at 7:18 am
Andrea, would you please state your reasons why you think “abortion is just plain wrong”?
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November 14, 2011 at 7:24 am
The Catholic Church has 1,000’s of pages on the topic from people trained in ethics and philosophy.
Can I post some of that information here?
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November 14, 2011 at 7:30 am
Those aren’t YOUR reasons; those are reasons given by someone you recognize as an authority. Would you change your stance if tomorrow the Church said abortion was permissible? It has done this with other issues.
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November 14, 2011 at 9:13 am
Yes,
That is what a Catholic that follows the Church does.
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November 14, 2011 at 11:48 am
That’s a great point, Charles, that I never thought about. So, are the pro-lifers anti abortion because of a deep seeded personal feeling or are they just like lemmings to the sea, taking orders from the Pope? Hmmmmmm
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November 14, 2011 at 2:19 pm
I prefer to think of it as we follow the Pope, thank you.
He is in our beliefs God’s most important representative on Earth to instruct us in this complicated world. The world changes, technologies change, as do the ethical dilemmas. The Pope and Church, the one’s you have a full formal education in the scripture, and do it every day, are very helpful, and perform helpful services for Catholics and others.
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November 15, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Responsible:
Are there ANY legislative limits you would place on Abortion?
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November 15, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Well, yes, there are, Andrea!
1. I would see that no woman could have an abortion if someone paid her $260,000 to bear the child. That’s how much it costs to raise it, and paying that price indicates that there is someone who truly wants it to become a human being.
2. I would see that every pregnant woman would have the right to select someone else to pay her $260,000 to have a child; this would ensure she would have at least the material means to raise her child. That person she selectes would be obligated under penalty of 18 years’ imprisonment to pay it. Any woman who refused to bill someone else for $260,000 would be forbidden to have an abortion, since obviously she feels she is quite capable of raising a child with the resources at hand.
The corollary to these laws is that anybody in society who objects to them has no standing in the woman’s decision to have an abortion, since they do not value human life by an objective standard.
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November 15, 2011 at 2:23 pm
My Reasons = The Catholic Churches reasons by definition of my faith and freedom to practice my religion.
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November 14, 2011 at 11:47 am
Andrea, you can post some stuff but dont go crazy or the system will shut you down. We appreciate your position but, instead of getting info from the church and the anti abortion groups, we’d prefer to hear your opinions. As for me, abortion is okay because it is a matter of women’s health. Not to mention the fact that I simply TRUST WOMEN to make the right decision, whether it is to abort or not.
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November 14, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Then I’ll say it is Not OK because I receive my instructions from God.
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November 14, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Andrea, do you receive them directly from God or through the Catholic Church?
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November 15, 2011 at 8:21 am
The Church,
Call me a Lemming if you will.
This is what I Beleive and have Faith in.
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November 15, 2011 at 3:30 pm
No, you’re not a lemming, Andrea. We all need some sort of structure that provides us with a reason for believing what we do. At first, we use others’ rules as guides. As we experience more of life, we find out their rules sometimes don’t fit our circumstances, and we start trying out rules we think of. The ones that don’t work, we drop; we adopt the ones that make sense. At some point, emboldened by success, we go wild and start throwing out all of everybody else’s rules (teens do this!). Then we experiemtn in a couple more ways to use others’ rules in ways they dadn’t necessarily intended, and if we’re lucky, we eventually arrive at the insight that everybody deserves to operate by rules that work for them.
Some of us don’t get that far, but good luck with your experiences for as far as you get!
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February 9, 2014 at 3:31 pm
If you enumerate the nknaips thusly:1 2 34 5 6you will note that the pattern of the fold/wrinkles in nknaips 2, 3, and 6 are identical.Looks to me like Mr. Richards is super-imposing graphics onto scans of nknaips to achieve your charming effect.The advice, however, sounds good to me.
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November 14, 2011 at 9:02 am
Go Todd!! I will sign up today!! In 1992 when I was going through a terrible time here in Charleston, SC with a protester!! Not only was she “stalking” me she was hairdressing my family…(eventually I did get her convicted of stalking me…but it was after my daughter’s high school graduation!!) This “low-life” made it known that she intended to “protest” at my daughter’s high school grad.!!! Although the C.P.D. had not always been willing to help….our infamous Chief Reuben Greenberg had different feelings when it came to this type of activity!!! He later told me that I choose my line of work….my daughter did NOT!! (Which is true!!)
The ceremony was taking place at “The Citadel” so the CPD made arrangements to close off all entrances to the McAlister field House except for “1” they posted police inside and throughout with her picture as well as her cohorts…Chief met with the school they put a plan in action with the chorus and their cue should they need to stand & start to sing!! The info that the Chief had led him to believe that they would try to demonstrate during the ceremony..probably when they called her name!! So there were several layers to his plan!! It cost the city time & money to prevent her from spoiling a memory of a lifetime…(personally..I doubt that she ever intended to go…) but could you take that chance??? Spoil a special memory for 150 kids and their families??
I chose NOT to tell our daughter until after…if it didn’t happen I didn’t want to spoil things for her…if it did happen then things were covered!! Things went off without a hitch…she did wonder why people were hugging her and standing all around her….The stand that protester’s take should end at the property line at the facility…it should NEVER go to the property line of an employee..or interfere with their families!!!
They do forget one important point…we don’t go out and pull women in off the street!! We offer a service and they come to us!!! She targeted my daughter on several different occassions…it is one thing for her to follow me and then go into a business that I frequented ant threated them if they continue to do business with me… But to come to my home and traumatize my 94 yr old grandmother that lived with us…or call me and pretend to be the emergency room calling abt a “horrific accident” that my daughter had been in….I just still don’t think the average person realizes what a person goes through when they decide to help women exercise their right to SAFE & LEGAL abortion!!
The day the jury came back after a trial that lasted 5 days…with a verdict after deliberating for ….oh…45mins……Gave me some satisfaction!! Especially when the Judge said…you are GUILTY of stalking Mrs. Maguire!! But you equally terrorized her family…I only wish I could punish you for that too!!
So again go Todd!! We have to step up and help…
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November 14, 2011 at 9:16 am
No one who is a decent person with compassion would do those horrible things to you. Those Pro Lifers were obviously lacking any compassion.
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November 14, 2011 at 11:52 am
Good comment, Andrea. The sad thing is that is has happened and is happening for many, many years. Then, of course, there are the pro-lifers who kill abortion doctors or blow up their clinics. They certainly were lacking that compassion you talk about.
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November 14, 2011 at 11:50 am
That is a great post, Lorraine. Your family are true heroes. It would have been nice, huh, to have an organization like Todd’s in the past?
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November 16, 2011 at 4:59 pm
No question Pat!! I was really alone here in SC…I was the person up front! The other clinics were MD owned and small…they kept a low profile!! I do have to say that there was a wonderful guy that use to come an help us on occasion…if we needed it !! Jerry is no longer with us but he was a wonderful guy who stood up for women and SAFE & LEGAL abortion for all!!!
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November 20, 2011 at 8:43 pm
lorriepoo, last spring when i was being terrorized, it was not nearly for the length of time that you were.
the part that upset me the most was that my roommate was trying to build her nest. and she was petrified.
the ironic thing was that when she moved in, she needed my help and that took priority over going to pray at the clinic, so i hadn’t been in several months when the harassment started.
and i can’t fathom how it must feel for someone to actually be filled with so much hatred as to target your child as was done to you.
but when it was going on, i thought of all that you went through and i knew that it could have been far worse.
i think it is so brave of you to share that terrible part of your life. please know that it helped me and i am sure that it helps others as well.
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November 28, 2011 at 12:01 am
>>>The stand that protester’s take should end at the property line at the facility…it should NEVER go to the property line of an employee..or interfere with their families!!!<<<
THIS!
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November 14, 2011 at 10:52 am
Compassion?!? I sure hope you are not Pro Choice and talking about compassion. What about the aborted fetuses, do you feel compassion for them?
I don’t support the pickering or the fact the some of the protesters cross the line but talking about compassion in this blog is a little much.
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November 14, 2011 at 11:25 am
Can you translate yourself, you are incomprehensible . . .
If you are writing to Andrea, it appears she is Pro Life . . .?
If a pro choice person talks about compassion, taking care of children that are presently dying of poverty in our country and all over the world of simple diseases because the kids cannot get water, why is talking about compassion a little much LaureAnne?
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November 14, 2011 at 11:56 am
Andrea is pro-life, but I sense she has a heart and understands the issue is a little more complicated. LaureAnne might be our new John Dunkle!! Welcome, LaureAnne!
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November 21, 2011 at 6:26 am
Pat is correct.
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November 15, 2011 at 3:23 pm
…and Andrea disappears. . .
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November 17, 2011 at 8:22 am
Isn’t it funny, Charles, how they do disappear? Do you miss Dunkle?
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November 17, 2011 at 2:53 pm
I mostly wonder how he’s going to die. If he’s lucky, he will never be jarred from his narcissism and realize on his deathbed that his chosen avocation was at worst a waste and at best a sham. If that happens he will indeed die fearing eternal hellfire. Not a pretty way to check out.
One of the unpleasantries of old age is that the random thoughts, “Is this my last meal eaten without assistance? My last sidewalk journey without a stroller? The last time I’ll be standing upright to wave to my grandson?”” start coming more and more frequently. Doors of possibility keep closing, the horizon gets closer, powers diminish sensibly and insensibly, and we elderly rage against the prospect of certain and complete loss. If he can’t keep his focus narrowed on his choice to be a hero, it’s not going to be pleasant at the end.
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November 20, 2011 at 7:37 am
After that comment, I don’t know how I’m going to enjoy my next birthday. :-p
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November 21, 2011 at 6:28 am
From what I have read, that Dunkle is a horrible person and does not represent the core of the Pro Life movement.
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November 14, 2011 at 11:54 am
LaureAnne: Abortion is a very difficult issue. Do you not feel any compassion for the woman who has been agonizing over the decision and decides to abort? Or do you just think she got pregnant and went down to the ole abortion clinic and had one with no feelings whatsoever? Don’t you think she knows that because she aborted, she will not have that child? Wouldn’t Jesus show a little compassion?
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November 14, 2011 at 1:12 pm
I don’t know what anybody’s imaginary friend would think about anything. I know that to me it isn’t right to ask for compassion when you are killing another being.
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November 14, 2011 at 2:23 pm
LaureAnne ,
Do you believe we should ever start a war and Kill during that war?
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November 14, 2011 at 9:46 pm
So, LaureAnn, you don’t want a fetus killed? How willing are you to protect it from being killed when it turns into a child? How willing are you to protect it from being starved as a child, or developmentally stunted as a child, or turning into a killer as a child? Just how far does your concern for the fetus extend into the realm of real children?
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November 14, 2011 at 9:48 pm
So, LaureAnne, I’m pleased to hear you have compassion for a fetus. How many children do you show compassion to, apart from those you chose to bear, who are related to you, or whom you know by virtue of religious affiliation or social class?
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November 14, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I am sick and tired of coming to this page and reading hypocrisies!
I DOUBT that all pro lifers never had anybody in their family who needed to have an abortio!
I DOUBT that all pro lifers are so devoted to their “religion” as they say, because they all will be a BIG FAT LIAR, because they point fingers every day to accuse people who either does or practice the abortion. And of course they forget that in their bible states that you shall not do that…
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/romancatholic-tencommandments.html
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November 14, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Sonia, half of all the women I am related to have had an abortion; I’m pretty sure that half of all the women I know– and this is from a quarter century of working with families– have had abortions. Too many of the women I am related to or know have had children who have suffered immensely for having been conceived and born for the wrong reasons (see “Why Women Get Pregnant” at the aborticentrism site). And too many of their children in turn have inflicted cruelty on their children– far more children than I could ever have cared for.
As for the Bible, there’s the Old Testament which generally tells you to dump on your enemies and the New Testament that says love your neighbor as yourself. What I want to see is self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” who will love as much as they love themselves the child they insisted be born. Not the ones who insist on punishing a woman and ignoring the child in the name of “rescuing” the fetus.
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November 17, 2011 at 11:00 am
AGREED 100%
They don’t do nothing to help this children that they proclaim to help… They don’t have structure to help them because they are selfish…
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November 17, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Thank you, Sonia!
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November 15, 2011 at 1:24 pm
By the way, I’ve talked to Todd Stave, who is featured in this article, and he is getting more requests for help from doctors, etc. who are being targetted. He sounds like he is going to be very busy!
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November 15, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Remarkable!
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November 19, 2011 at 11:06 pm
poor adult male/female Dr.’s! alive, kicking, breathing…asking for help! what a joke you all are! what do you suppose the little preborn babies would do if they could ask for help? yet we don’t give a sh**t about them! kill em! pull off their arms and legs….burn them to death…just get rid of them! They are the ones who are being targeted SIR! and I use that word loosely! All of you who advocate the killing of God’s most precious innocent human beings are going to be held accountable for your actions! God help you and have mercy on your souls as you stand before him one day.
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November 15, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Responsible and Pat,
Are there ANY limits you would place on Abortion?
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November 15, 2011 at 3:09 pm
I am not Pat but I will answer it. Women should only be allowed one abortion in their life time.
After having to abort once, I can’t imagine why they would not take all the precautions in the world not to get pregnant again.
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November 15, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Well, LaureAnn, one woman I know decided after her first baby that she was not fit to be a mother– she realized she would spend her whole parenthood resenting the kid for restricting her to employment in a convenience store– and gave it up for adoption. She went on birth control and insisted her partner use a condom, and had four failures.
How would you have liked to rescue and raise four children ranging from newborn to nine years old whose mother hates them, belittles and spanks them at every opportunity, swears at them, and resents her partneras well? Give me a phone number; you can be a true “pro-lifer” in no time.
Or do you think that they should be punished because she had protected sex that failed?
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November 17, 2011 at 4:44 pm
By all means, lets kill it so the stupid woman who was stupid enough not to prevent what she did not want doesn’t have to live with a burden that is a child and her life. Come on!
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November 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm
So, karine, you limit your concern to whether or not a fetus stays alive? You have no sympathy for those children, no desire to do something to protect or help them make it to a healthy and happy adulthood?
What do you know about aborticentrism?
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November 20, 2011 at 7:44 am
LA,
How does a woman protect herself from being raped a second time?
And let’s say she tried everything she could, and then was raped and impregnated a second time, you would punish her for that?
Why is it OK to kill one fetus but not two?
Your comment has no integrity of thought if you believe abortion to be a horrible action.
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November 20, 2011 at 7:46 am
LA,
So you are far left on the first abortion, and then far right in consideration of the second abortion.
You are unique.
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November 16, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Check our Facebook page for the latest news on abortion and reproductive rights.
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November 16, 2011 at 4:54 pm
I am extremely sorry for what the daughter had to go through, a child should not have to deal with any of it.
I also don’t support the pro lifers tactics, it is just wrong and miserable.
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November 17, 2011 at 8:21 am
Thanks for chiming in Karine. Can you imagine that poor little girl? I love how the pro-lifers will go to any lengths to “protect” that little fetus but they will torture a little girl like that. Shame…
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November 17, 2011 at 9:48 am
I know but I think we are all confused anyways. We get upset when a little girl is forced to see pictures of dead fetuses but again we support the killing of that same fetus which to me is a baby.
Life is supposably so precious but when we don’t want it is Ok to get away with it.
If anybody can tell what is going on with the Dr. in PA, it looks like everybody is getting convicted but I don’t hear anything about that here or on your Facebook Page. What is going on?
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November 20, 2011 at 7:06 am
“Which to me is a baby.”
I’m glad to see you recognize the difference between a fetus and a baby, LaureAnne. Why do you need to see it as a baby if you won’t undertake to raise it? Why this need to have every pregnant woman satisfy your needs?
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November 20, 2011 at 7:49 am
LA,
So you support the right to kill a baby the first time, but not the second?
Can you defend your mentation please . . . This will be interesting.
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November 20, 2011 at 5:42 pm
I think two of the woman were convicted or pled guilty. I dont know the status of the doctor. Geez, just google Doctor Gosnell and please let us know what is going on…
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November 20, 2011 at 7:07 am
So, karine, you limit your concern to whether or not a fetus stays alive? You have no sympathy for those children, no desire to do something to protect or help them make it to a healthy and happy adulthood?
What do you know about aborticentrism?
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November 17, 2011 at 1:20 pm
OMG. Yopur ar right. Pat how come you have not talked about that here? Is it because it shines a bad light on abortion??
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November 18, 2011 at 11:30 am
Go back and check my previous writings folks. I have on a number of occasions condemned the bad abortion providers. And we’ve posted things about Gosnell on the Facebook page months ago. Also, we and I have been very critical of Sdal of tiicek we’gted rgtion usasve jus
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November 18, 2011 at 11:32 am
oops, pressed the wrong button…anyway, i’ve also criticized doctor steve brigham the way he runs his clinics. Finally, I have always said that if anyone wants to suggest reasonable regulations that are not designed to put a clinic out of business, then they should be considered. On the other hand, how come you folks haven’t condemned the murderers of our doctors?
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November 17, 2011 at 9:30 pm
I’m here in New Orleans, at the 2011 National Communication Conference presenting a paper about the anti abortion activists who use an image they call Malachi. It was enlightening to hear what I had to say about the famous fetishized commodity named Malachi and to learn how it resonated with those in the audience.
My research suggests that those who promote Malachi traffic in the grotesque in an attempt to shock viewers. Further, while anti abortion activists believe this image voices their belief that abortion is a threat to the moral order, my research suggests that the tone of that voice actually makes audiences less sympathetic to their messages. Close scrutiny of the image and a critical analysis of the responses to the image suggest three findings. First, while the Malachi image is expected to speak on behalf of all abortions, its message circulates in a decontextualized vortex. The near-term, fetal body parts, arranged as a medical laboratory specimen alongside a tape measure offers no affidavit of the nature of its death except the words “abortion at 21 weeks” as a claim. There is no information about the mother, and no information about the acquisition of the fetal body parts. Second, Malachi’s voice is monstrous and loud. It offends the sensibilities and does so in a manner at cross-purposes with the goal of its users. In asking Malachi to speak on their behalf, the anti abortion protestors alienate the very people they hope to protect and to persuade to turn away from abortion.
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November 18, 2011 at 1:05 am
About the time the Cabbage Patch Kids dolls became a craze, with parents fighting each other and bribing store management in order to get one, somebody wrote a popular article about the fascination we have for the grotesque. He or she pointed out how such a doll, if a real child, had features that would naturally have resulted from being fused or melted in a fire, yet possessed by a doll made us throw our reasoning out the window.
Maybe Malachi is the Cabbage Patch doll equivalent for the self-proclalimed “pro-life” crowd.
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November 18, 2011 at 7:47 am
I so remember that craze. My older daughter was given one, as luck would have it, by being in the right place at the right time. It was an ugly thing that she named Arnold. The naming phenomenon, whether it’s Arnold or Malachi, speaks volumes about human agency and power. Like the antis who named this image with a quaint story about the meaning of the name, humans have to power to name things, events, people and places. But naming doesn’t end the story. Antis call prochoice people murderers, satan and sinners. But the names only reflect poorly on the speaker.
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November 18, 2011 at 11:35 am
Yes, folks, but notwithstanding the Malachi picture, the fact is that at 21+ weeks, we are talking about fetal parts, are we not?
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November 18, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Not sure what you mean here, fetal parts? Are you referencing the dismantling of the fetus during a D & C?
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November 18, 2011 at 7:59 am
The anti abortion activists’ macabre fascination with Malachi litter the visual landscape in a form of masculine anger and resentment at the actual gains women have made. For them, Malachi is glorified by the language of monsters. But for the overwhelming population, statistically speaking, the image is offensive on many levels. Activists proclaiming the sacredness of the fetus undercut their religious claims by circulating the image of death rather than showing respect. They use the image as a claim to the truth about abortion. But the only truth claim they can make is that they have a copy of an image and nothing more. It is a fact that 99% of abortions occur in the first 14 weeks. Malachi allegedly was 21 weeks making the use of image a hyperbolic outrage. As a cadaver displayed alongside a tape measure, the body length is more that of a full term fetus, bringing into question the likelihood that Malachi was a stillbirth and not an abortion. These are just a few illustrations of how the anti abortion industry ironically fails truth claims.
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November 18, 2011 at 11:38 am
you are correct, Kate, about how most abortions are in the first 14 weeks. But we cannot deny that there are abortions after that and that is what the anti-abortion movement focuses on. We just have to fess up, as the pregnancy becomes more evolved, the more difficult the procedure becomes, both medically and emotionally (for some).
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November 18, 2011 at 6:01 pm
The larger issue to my mind is that the antis conflate the early abortions with the later abortions and call it Malachi. That’s misinformation in the very least, if not an outright lie.
I’ll not deny the potential for later pregnancy termination complications. But no need to “fess up” since there is no need for apologies from those who are prochoice. To whom do we apologize or confess? That we know this? So what? It doesn’t deny the existence of need. It doesn’t deny the humanity and priority of the woman either.
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November 19, 2011 at 10:23 pm
oh puuuulllllleaaaase! a life is a life no matter what day you kill it!!! just because it “looks” bigger doesn’t matter in the least. Day one or in the ninth month it is still murder!
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November 20, 2011 at 7:13 am
And you’d offer that wisdom to the parents of Ted Bundy’s victims, nowisalie? Bundy is the quintessential example of just why you should butt out of a woman’s decision whether or not to be pregnant. It takes a lot more than birthing a baby to give it a chance at a good life. Bundy obviously was denied much of that chance, and three to five dozen young women paid for it. He could have been aborted, and they would be alive today, or he could have been raised quite differently, and they would be alive today. You won’t allow the first, and you won’t do the second. Why not?
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November 19, 2011 at 1:30 pm
For those of you who may be mourning the loss of John Dunkle on this blog, rest assured that he continues his weekly harassment at the Allentown Women’s Center. Yelling at women full volume, the latest schtick has been “Mommy, Daddy, please don’t let them tear my arms and legs off” well after the woman is inside the hallway. Along with his fellow scoundrels, aka Loser Cruisers, who yell their own special brand of harassment, John is relentless.
That is until some coeds showed up to pray on the street where John lurks. Not to be outdone in the holiness factor, John joined them in their prayerful recitations, an act that he never does when with fellow scoundrels who troll the street. When the next woman showed up, as we guessed, the hypocrite John Dunkle said in a ultra quiet voice, “Mom, please, etc” NO yelling in front of these innocent coeds. Oh no, that wouldn’t do.
Better to be a hypocrite.
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November 20, 2011 at 9:31 pm
>>>For those of you who may be mourning the loss of John Dunkle on this blog, <<<
oh, is IT gone? i have been ignoring its vitriol for so long that i hadn't noticed.
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November 21, 2011 at 6:34 am
Rogelio,
As a comrade in ProLife, I agree with you.
We need to show compassion in our position and not venom!
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November 28, 2011 at 12:05 am
agreed!
when someone faces an unwanted pregnancy, compassion is ALWAYS merited.
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November 19, 2011 at 3:46 pm
I see where Voice of Choice has selected Joyce Mazalewski and John Dunkle as the next “table” to be turned. I wonder what their neighbors will think of them when they see all those who will line their street in front of their home and share the stories about their behavior? Just in time for all the kiddies to be home for Thanksgiving. What a blessing.
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November 19, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Yep, Voice of Choice has put their email addresses and phone numbers on their website/blog! This is gonna get real interesting…
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November 19, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Holy Batman! Interesting indeed! Two of the WORST getting a dose of “peacefulness”
Details at 10….
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February 9, 2014 at 3:02 pm
Christine, thanks for the shout out and the visit! Much, much atceepiaprd. I’m interested in your “decidedly British twist” comment on your home page. My hero and his family in my first two books were Brits. I had so much fun learning and writing their slang. Stop again. I’d love to keep in touch!
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November 19, 2011 at 10:13 pm
you people are sick!!! and Pat you should be ashamed of yourself for advocating this and promoting it on your web pages. shame on all of you!!
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November 20, 2011 at 5:07 am
Shame on Pat and all of us for advocating standing up to bullies? Seriously?
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November 20, 2011 at 7:18 am
the ultimate form of bullying, IMHO is the killing of the most innocent among us! Now that is BULLYING! and you, Kate, are one of the biggest bullies on this blog! shame on you! I don’t doubt that YOU gave them all of that information. you had better remove that plank from your own eye! as you are ONE DANGEROUS INDIVIDUAL.
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November 20, 2011 at 7:57 am
NowIsALie,
Is your real first name
Now?
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November 20, 2011 at 9:53 am
Not sure about first name but I”m pretty sure her middle name is SHAME….she’s all about the shame game. Bless her heart.
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November 20, 2011 at 10:38 am
Radical Pro Lifers Love to bully women by Shame.
It is a despicable and evil practice that these prolifers perform every single day.
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November 21, 2011 at 11:58 am
Kate,
Her middle name is LOVE, bless her heart.
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November 28, 2011 at 12:07 am
her middle name is crazyasasprayedroach
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November 20, 2011 at 9:52 am
Sorry, but I cannot take credit for supplying any information. But, nice try. And thanks for all the compliments. You couldn’t be sweeter if you tried. Bless your heart.
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November 20, 2011 at 10:22 am
Hey, NOWISALIE,
Why would anyone provide info about a litigious whacko who plays the victim card? She’s liable to file another frivolous lawsuit about alleged emotional harm. Screw the emotional harm she causes innocent women.
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November 20, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Interesting reaction, NOW. For many, many years pro-lifers have been harassing our doctors with calls, picketing, stalking, etc. Now that poor John is getting it, you call us bullies. I’m sorry, but you are a hypocrite. Indeed, I remember years ago when a pro-lifer called one of our doctors at 3:00 a.m. and said he was with the county coroner’s office and his son had been killed in a car accident. The doctor ran down to find it was a hoax. Oh, and we’re the bullies?????
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November 21, 2011 at 6:38 am
The Ultimate bullying is when someone who is ProLife Murders a full grown person with a family.
NOW,
Your priorities are backwards and harm the Pro Life cause.
People like you make Pro Life a dirty word, and harm us in the elections!
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November 20, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Meanwhile, while I have talked to no one lately, it’s my understanding that all the pro choicers want is for the pro-lifers to stay away from the houses. They recognize that picketing at clinics is standard operating procedure, as much as they dont like it. Would that be correct, Kate (you’re up there watching what’s going on)?
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November 20, 2011 at 7:42 pm
I’d agree with you, Pat.
And, in general, I’d add a note to the antis to have the common courtesy to keep your politics to yourself when you encounter someone with whom you disagree when away from the clinic. Several prochoicers have had really unpleasant encounters with the antis, encounters beyond the trolling in the street. These bullies have taken their extreme anti abortion politics to the local diner, in grocery stores, frame shops, the giant box store we call BJs, at other people’s places of work , and have sent unsolicited letters to volunteer escorts.
These bullies can really dish it out but when the tables are turned, they cry foul. Hypocrites, all of them.
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November 20, 2011 at 8:36 pm
how many abortions were being performed inside the school that this child attends?
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