Dr. David murdered by Pro Life Terrorists
In March, 1994, members of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers held a memorial event in Pensacola, Florida at the site where, a year earlier, Doctor David Gunn was gunned down by an anti-abortion assassin. At the event, Doctor Gunn’s son, David, Jr., spoke with great eloquence but I will never forget him welcoming the group to what he called “the paranoia that is Pensacola.”
There was good reason to be paranoid in Pensacola, especially if you were a provider of abortion services. Before Doctor Gunn’s murder, the abortion clinics in that city had been the target of considerable anti-abortion violence. For example, in 1984 Matthew Goldsby and James Simmons bombed the Ladies Center with a pipe bomb on June 25. That forced the clinic to relocate and six months later on Christmas Day, they bombed the center again at its new location. As if that was not enough, they also set on fire two other private physician offices where the doctors performed abortions. They were convicted and sentenced to ten years but only served about half their terms.
Insanity of Anti Abortion People
Over the years, the Ladies Center remained the target of massive anti-abortion protests and regular Saturday vigils by locals such as John Burt and one Paul Hill. Then, just a few months after NCAP’s memorial event, Hill killed John Britton, a doctor who provided abortions at the Ladies Center and James Barrett, a volunteer who escorted patients, as they arrived in the clinic parking lot. Barrett’s wife, June, also was wounded. Hill was executed for the crime in 2003.
And now it has happened again.
Anti Abortion people are happy to let women die
In case you missed it – and it was easy to miss because the press totally ignored it – on January 1, Mr. Bobby Joe Rogers set on fire the Ladies Center, which had been renamed the “American Family Planning Clinic.” It caused about $300,000 in damages, gutting the clinic. It is reported that he merely filled a beer bottle with gasoline and used an old shirt as a wick. Fortunately, no one was hurt in the fire.
Bobby Joe certainly fits the profile of the anti-abortion terrorist. He was homeless and participated in the almost daily protests. One person who hung out with Rogers said that “Rogers admitted to intentionally setting fire to the clinic due to his strong disbelief in abortion.” He added that “he stated (he) was further fueled when he recently witnessed a young female entering the clinic while he was sitting amongst anti-abortion protesters.” Rogers has a past arrest record spanning nine states from the Southeast to the Midwest with felony convictions in Alabama, Tennessee and Missouri for burglary and in Mississippi for grand larceny.
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The good news is that, as opposed to past events in Pensacola, the federal government responded immediately and they got their man. But what I can’t fathom, and what has bothered me for years, is do these idiots really think they are “saving babies?” Is it really abortion that they are targeting? Or are they just losers looking to get their name in the papers? I ask because, if they gave it any thought (which may be stretching it for them), they would realize that bombing an abortion clinic or killing an abortion doctors does not “save babies.” Sure that particular clinic may now be closed for a while but, guess what, those women who might have gone to that center will simply make an appointment at the OTHER center a few miles away. And if they blow that one up, the women will then travel over to Mobile and get an abortion.
The disappearance of an abortion facility does not stop abortion, it does not “save babies.” If these domestic terrorists say that’s why they did it, they’re full of it. They are just miscreants who are either totally delusional about how things work (a good possibility) or they are just looking to make a name for themselves within the anti-abortion movement. It’s all so sick.
What the hell is it with Pensacola?
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January 9, 2012 at 6:22 am
Bobby Joe Rogers, classic aborticentric– heeero to the “unborn,” and a threat to any child in his immediate family.
Inside every so-called “pro-lifer” lurks a Bobby Joe Rogers, ready to become a champion as long as it doesn’t take more than the intelligence of a reptile and a dollar or two worth of his income. Those who have not yet crossed the line are constrained only by the thought of what they stand to lose, but they praise him for acting out their fantasy. They hide their sickness very well.
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January 9, 2012 at 6:37 pm
I think you are right, Charles. I really think deep down that many if not most pro-lifers quietly applaud the Bobby Joe’s of the world. Indeed, I used to cringe when I saw those phony “we condemn these actions” by pro-life groups after a killing or a bombing…
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January 11, 2012 at 6:34 pm
i hate when a comparison is made when denouncing the act. “we denounce the violence against so and so just as we denounce the violence in the womb.”
why must there be a comparison.
isn’t each and every act of violence worthy of condemnation in and of itself simply because it is an act of violence?
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January 13, 2012 at 8:25 am
I agree, Rogie. They play the “compassion” card by expressing outrage but they just can’t resist making their political points. I dont think they give a crap when a doctor is killed, despite their public pronouncments…
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January 16, 2012 at 7:11 am
i remember when dr tiller was murdered and people like bill o’reilly were pretending to denounce his murder.
yet he spent so much time dehumanizing him and calling him “tiller the baby-killer”.
imo he bears some of the responsibility for it.
then that skank, ann coulter, was saying something like” i don’t personally agree with shooting abortion doctors, but i have no right to force my opinion on others” and referring to it as an abortion in the 250th trimester or something along those lines.
i don’t understand how a grandfather being slaughtered and offered as a human sacrifice in a church as he welcomes others to worship, can be seen as fodder for humor.
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January 9, 2012 at 5:12 pm
As a clinic escort who daily sees and deals with protesters who would, seemingly, never be the ones you’d have to worry about but would be the ones who would cheer on someone like Rogers, this story worries me to no end. The fact that I am in FL/the Bible Belt, doesn’t help either. I was deeply saddened to hear about the clinic fire via Twitter on the 1st and all I could think was “I need to be there to help”, but I knew there was nothing I could do but report to work at my clinic and resume business as usual.
I was happy to see that Rachel Maddow did cover the story that week. She was the only one I saw mention anything, actually. It’s been all over the internet and we’ve not allowed it to go stale.
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January 9, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Thank you for your service to the community against the anti abortion terrorists. It is all appreciated.
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January 9, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Unfortunately, a clinic escort probably cannot stop someone who is intent on killing a doctor or bombing a clinic, but we thank her nonetheless for helping women in a difficult time!
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January 10, 2012 at 5:12 am
That’s true Pat…but the clinic feels such support from the community that takes the time to come to the clinic and stand there everyday…while woman are trying to exercise their right to SAFE & LEGAL abortion!! They subject themselves to being verbally abused by some of the protestor’s…in all types of weather..they are my “unsung heroes”!!! I use to make sure that I showed them appreciation every chance I got…birthday’s..Christmas..I had “escorts” that had come every Fri..Sat for over 10 yrs…Thanks “iammental” for all you do!!
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January 10, 2012 at 9:13 am
Thanks for that perspective Lorraine. Nothing against Iammental, but I also do remember some clinics not wanting escorts out there because they felt they also to some extent were “disruptive,” although well intentioned. Did you ever hear that from your colleagues?
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January 10, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I agree, you said it better than me!
The Pro Life terrorists are out there in multitudes, the government should be working harder to stop them in my opinion.
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January 9, 2012 at 6:39 pm
You’re right, Iammental. They are cheering this turkey on, just like they cheered on Paul Hill, Michael Griffin and the others. But meanwhile, thanks also for being an escort (daily?). If you have a moment, we’d love to hear about your clinic, what the protestors are like, etc.
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January 9, 2012 at 6:47 pm
No problemo. Yes, I escort 6 days a week, mostly by myself. We have an officer we hire for 3-4 days a week. Luckily, our property has a nice long driveway so the protesters get to stand near the street but that doesn’t stop them from yelling, waving signs, etc. I don’t worry so much about the “regulars” as I do about those who see them and think that what they’re doing is okay and may take it to the next, dangerous, level, like Rogers. I keep my eyes open for people like him.
We are a private clinic, much like AFP in Pensacola. The PP here have lost funding so they no longer provide abortions so we’re the ones who get the protesters everyday.
https://www.facebook.com/ProChoiceJacksonville
http://prochoicejacksonville.tumblr.com/
I run two pages to document and educate regarding repro rights and my escorting. 🙂
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January 10, 2012 at 9:15 am
Hmmmm, maybe you should start a blog or maybe we can somehow facilitate your writing regularly on this one. Lemme think about it because I agree with Lorraine, you should be getting the word out as much as possible….
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January 10, 2012 at 6:31 pm
I have thought of this, since my Tumblr page is mainly information and educational information at this point and less my personal experience. I have been a follower of the Abortion.com FB page for quite some time now through my Pro-Choice Jacksonville page. I tend to re-share a lot of your posts on our page to get the info out, which is how I found this particular post.
The clinic I work at, by the way, is a NAF clinic. I think many tend to think Planned Parenthood when they think abortion and the private clinics are forgotten. It’s nice to see Kate’s post in regards to abortion clinics and repro rights in general. Spot on.
Pat, email is acwjax@yahoo
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January 11, 2012 at 6:49 am
Thanks for doing your part in helping protect women’s rights.
How do get on to the Abortion.com FaceBook page?
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January 11, 2012 at 2:24 pm
YOu are right about how many people think PPFA has all the clinics. There are so many good indepedent ones!
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January 10, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Are you a member of the Abortion.com FaceBook page!
They have had over 180,000 fans sign up. You may want to consider it and post comments to engage more discussion.
I enjoy reading the info there.
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January 11, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Christine: You need a facebook page for you yourself first. Then, go to “search” and type in “abortion.com” and then “like” it. It’s as simple as that. I can’t think of any other Facebook page that provides so much CURRENT info on repro rights!
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January 11, 2012 at 6:44 pm
hi, iammental!
i used to be a regular at your clinic. as a matter of fact, i met my last two roommates there.
the atmosphere used to be quite different between the protesters and the staffers and there actually used to be no escorts there.
i had heard that things have changed for the worse there.
i want no part of that.
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January 12, 2012 at 8:26 am
I was wondering if that was the clinic you were at Rogie! Thanks for chiming in. Iammental, did you know Rogie?
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January 12, 2012 at 4:53 pm
it has been so long since i have been up there, and the interaction i had with the staff was very small.
as iammental stated, there is a loooooong driveway, but the street that the clinic is on is very busy.
sometimes, i would see one of the doctors or a staffer trying to exit onto university and between a large pole blocking vision, and quite often some protesters further blocking it, someone exiting couldn’t see and i would have to tell those on that particular side to back up so that the driver could see.
other than that, a nod of the head or saying good morning, etc. was the extent of the dialogue i had with any staffers there.
and it has been so long, i would be surprised if any of the staff remembered me.
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January 12, 2012 at 5:17 pm
things changed last year at that clinic.
i met my roommate in january of 2011, and when she moved in, she didn’t have much, and i took on a sat am shift with an alzheimer’s patient among picking up some others because we needed to get her a car,clothes, she wanted to go into health care, so we got her into a class and got her cna license to get her started.
i needed the money to recreate the financial safety buffer because i dipped into that buffer so that we could get her life back onto track.
i simply didn’t have the4 time to go there and my commitment was to her.
when the 40 days vigil during lent of 2011 started, i hadn’t been in a couple of months.
i had already gotten the threats, but i realized that i couldn’t get a chip on my shoulder and take away time that should be devoted to her to go there just to prove a point.
but on one afternoon during my parish’s commitment, i was free and i went there.
i usually parked down the street at memorial hospital, and as i was passing by i thought “orale! there’s a lot of people there!”
as i walked up to the site, i saw that there were choicers there with signs that said things like “stop clinic violence”, and “god is pro-choice”, but because they were handmade, it made it look like everyone was a pro-life protester.
i spoke to a young woman and welcomed her to the sidewalk, and she told me that the manager had all of the staff come outside to counterprotest.
at a certain point, a car of men drove by screaming nasty things and threw a bottle of coke that almost hit the young woman.
i told her, “don’t worry, that was intended for us, not you”
she asked if that happens often and i told her that it is one of the things that people inside the clinic don’t see, just as people outside the clinic don’t see the threats by phone and mail, etc.
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January 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm
a couple of weeks into the spring 2011 vigil, i was up there with SNM, and i saw escorts there for the first time.
i went to a spot on the sidewalk, and two escorts, one young blonde woman and a tall gentleman with grey hair and a ponytail passed by.
i said hello and asked how they were, and he smiled and responded “fine thanks, how are you?”
i prayed for a while and when i was getting ready to leave, the same two escorts were passing me again, and i said, “goodbye. you guys have a blessed day, and be safe, ok?
the young woman acted shocked that i was being nice, but the gentleman smiled and said, “thank you very much! you do the same”
there were a couple of elderly ladies who were there and i guess they saw me speaking to the man, and one asked me ” can’t you just sense the evil within him?”
i just told her “no, he seems like a perfectly pleasant fellow to me” and walked on.
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January 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm
those examples are the extent of interaction that i have had with the staff there, and i haven’t been back since because i am busy with M and her baby as well as my patients and church and the other aspects of my happy quiet little life.
my friend autumn told me a few weeks ago that she had driven by and her windows were up, but she could hear yelling.
and if iammental says that she can hear the yelling from the entry ( that really is a long driveway) then things have definitely changed for the worse.
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January 12, 2012 at 12:44 pm
I don’t quite know what that means, to be honest. No I don’t know Rogelio. The atmosphere is much like it is at most clinics: protesters come from churches, CPCs, etc. and stand with signs, children, etc. and yell at patients as they are coming for their appointments, trying to get them to change their minds from going into the clinic.
We are lucky enough that we have a nice long stretch of property/driveway separating us from them. They must stay on the sidewalk near the street and cannot come on the private property, near the clinic. They are only able to yell and hold their signs and when patients or their companions leave, they try to talk to them in their cars at the end of the driveway. Their signs are actually not all that bad, compared to other parts of the country. I’ve seen far worse. Of course, during 40 Days for Life, there were some pretty bad ones. The “regulars” keep it pretty decent because they’re trying to attract them to the CPC down the street. The stuff they yell is the most annoying. I’m usually keeping an eye out for the fringe radical types who aren’t really with the “regulars”. They are the ones you have to be afraid of. Think: Dr. Tiller’s shooter, the ass who lit this clinic on fire in Pensacola, etc. All fringe radicals who claim no association with the regulars who protest outside the clinic.
Escorts serve numerous purposes, not just to make sure the patients get in safely.
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January 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm
things didn’t used to be like that at your clinic. it used to be very calm without yelling or hostility.
of course we outside didn’t see what they might have been dealing with inside, and those inside didn’t see the things we might have been dealing with from passing traffic.
but it was nothing like you describe.
thank you for sharing what it has become like up there. it saves me a trip from ever going back.
i always swore that i would never attend protests like that, and i am quite content helping my friend and her baby. between that and my job as a nurse, my pro-life convictions are fulfilled.
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January 10, 2012 at 5:14 am
That would be great “iammental”…also some of your experiences as an “escort”…what/how to the “anit’s” deal with ya’ll?
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January 10, 2012 at 6:04 am
I’m looking forward to hearing it, too, if you wouldn’t mind, iammental.
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January 9, 2012 at 6:37 pm
I am for abortion, I want to become an abortion doctor one day. But this is ridiculous.
Yes by their terrorist activities of murder and arson they do prevent legal, safe, accessible abortions. Not many people are willing to provide abortions, some hospitals will not even allow abortions to be performed due to fear.
In a perfect world yes people would not let terrorists win by refusing to do things the terrorists don’t like, but this isn’t a perfect world. We have the TSA, Canadians needing a passport to visit the US, more invasive airport security, the NDAA, and countless other things that are a direct result of terrorism. The whole country responds by giving into terrorism, and so do individuals.
I will not, I will be brave and hope to be like Dr. Tiller, my hero.
But the fact is that yes, killing doctors and destroying their buildings does stop safe legal abortions. If they keep killing doctors there will be less of them, and less will be willing to become doctors. 11 states do not have any abortion providers at all.
http://www.abortion.com/
lists 39/50 states that have abortion providers. I will move to one of the 11 after I become a doctor with some experience and enough money to start my own clinic.
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January 10, 2012 at 9:17 am
Wow, anonymous, thanks so much for chiming in and for your interest in becoming a provider of abortion services. And you cannot pick a better person to emulate than George Tiller, our dear friend. If you ever get to the point where you are looking for work, let us know!!!! And keep us informed of your progress!
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January 10, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Thank you very much I will take a while, but I will be looking for a job, one where there isn’t access, like in Wyoming. I have family there and Cheyenne is a decent place to live and work.
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January 10, 2012 at 5:47 pm
That is great!
Just protect yourself from the anti Abortion terrorists and people that you can find on this very blog that have advocated Justifiable Homicide and like John Dunkle (by his own writing) have Burned American Flags to Honor and Martyr Convicted Murderer’s of Doctors that have provided Abortion Care.
Dunkle is on this very Page!
The lunatics are running amok!
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January 10, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Wow, I agree.
I lofty goal to be commended!
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January 10, 2012 at 8:42 am
The section of the Pat Richards’ essay from “abortion.ws” I am posting here is not typical. Pat is usually the calmest and most level-headed killers’ helper I’ve ever listened to. But here is his reaction to the recent burning down of the Pensacola baby killing mill:
What I can’t fathom, and what has bothered me for years, is do these idiots really think they are “saving babies?” Is it really abortion that they are targeting? Or are they just losers looking to get their names in the papers? I ask because, if they gave it any thought (which may be stretching it for them), they would realize that bombing an abortion clinic or killing an abortion doctor does not “save babies.” Sure that particular clinic may now be closed for a while but, guess what, those women who might have gone to that center will simply make an appointment at the OTHER center a few miles away. And if they blow that one up, the women will then travel over to Mobile and get an abortion.
The disappearance of an abortion facility does not stop abortion, it does not “save babies.” If these domestic terrorists say that’s why they did it, they’re full of it. They are just miscreants who are either totally delusional about how things work (a good possibility) or they are just looking to make a name for themselves within the anti-abortion movement. It’s all so sick.
Ninety-seven percent of us prolifers would have written that, if we were capable of writing that well. And it’s why for forty years we have been getting crushed in this war! We listen to what the enemy hates worst about what we do, and we agree with him. The way to lose a war — listen to what your enemy fears most about what you do, and do everything you can to make sure that nothing like it ever happens.
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January 10, 2012 at 9:22 am
Thanks for chiming in, John! Good to hear from ya (I think :)) I did go on a rant, didn’t I? I find it interesting that you say that the pro-lifers are getting “crushed.” If you talk to the pro-choicers, they would say just the opposite. Indeed, that would be a great blog – “The War: Who’s Winning?”
Speaking of winning, how is that “campaign” going against you???
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January 10, 2012 at 2:58 pm
What campaign?
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January 11, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Ira: a group named “Voice of Choice” has turned the tables around on the anti-abortion protestors. They discover their home address, telephone number, etc. and generate hundreds of calls to the protestors house. Apparently, John Dunkle, who protests at clinics in Pennsylvania and stands outside of a young woman’s house once a month (the woman runs a clinic), has been targetted…
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January 12, 2012 at 2:09 am
Did the campaign accomplish anything with the Anti Abortion terrorists?
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January 12, 2012 at 8:29 am
Ira, the eader of the group says that they have had two “victories,” intimidating pro-lifers to the point where they may have cancelled some demonstration. I know he reads this blog so maybe he will chime in. And right now, he is trying to generate calls to Randy Terry or Flip Benham, I dont remember which one.
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January 10, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Hi Dunkle,
I see you are back, despite saying many times you would not be.
You know what you are, and that can get you in serious trouble. Anyway, if you are capable to express your thoughts in a less obtuse fashion, that would be great.
I am having trouble understanding your point. You often employ rhetoric and bizarre literary tools to make your points ambiguous, purposefully. Can you dumb it down a little for me?
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January 10, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I bet he cannot talk in anything but riddle type talk.
What a fool.
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January 10, 2012 at 11:28 am
Reproductive health clinics affiliated with professional organizations like National Abortion Federation and Abortion Care Network work diligently and compassionately to provide supportive care for the whole woman–emotional, physical and spiritual. Their work is doubly hard because of the stigma associated with abortion, despite being one of the safest and most common reproductive procedures. These brave men and women humanize their encounters with women and their decisions while the anti abortion terrorists:
#moralize about the life of the fetus
#choose to be party to the degradation of women
#use “creative” interpretration of religious values and pseudoscientific “ideas”
#reduce women to incubators while their alleged “baby” is full of life
#mythologize post abortion emotional pain and perpetual regret
#promote shame, eternal damnation
#speak from a white middle class perspective
#demand their religion as the ultimate standard of goodness
#use pornographic, homophobic, anti-semetic language and images
It’s time to drop the stigma. Normalization has happened elsewhere. Divorce was finally de-stigmatized in the Catholic church. Out of wedlock pregnancies are accepted in most circles without raising an eyebrow or two. Gays are out and proud. It’s time to accept abortion as normal. The fact that nearly half of all women will have had an abortion by age 45 reveals that women need, want and deserve to control their own reproductive health care.
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January 10, 2012 at 2:59 pm
This Kate is one smart person!
Thanks Kate for that info!
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January 10, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Common nutty themes in Christianity. One of the worst and most harmful of the religious cults in the world.
So sad that so many stupid people buy into this religiousity.
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January 10, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Well done Kate. ❤
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January 11, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Totally agree with Kate. I’ve written about this a few times. And the first place where we have to start is with the pro-choice groups and followers. Half of them can’t even say the word “abortion.” It’s always “CHOICE”. Im sorry but that is a cop out. We know that we want women to be able to choose what they want, but we also want ABORTION to be one of the options – and so we need to say the friggin word. We have to stop pointing to the hard cases as a rationale for abortion. We need to stop apologizing!!!!
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January 11, 2012 at 7:18 pm
i understand what you are saying pat, and i agree with you.
but among us lifers are those who support the death penalty, praise those who murder doctors inside churches as they welcome others to worship etc., and try to claim it’s justifiable homicide.
wanna trade for the day sometime?
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January 12, 2012 at 8:31 am
Geez, Rogie, can’t we convince you that women should be able to make up their own minds on this very difficult issue? Yes, we on “this side” know that the result of the abortion is very sad. As I have written, the women know it also. But you can just be so gosh-darnit reasonable – why can’t we convince you to let women make that choice and leave them alone as they enter the clinic? Written respectfully…
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January 12, 2012 at 4:46 pm
jajajajaja
pat, i have always left women alone as they went into or left the clinic.
if we spoke, it is because they made the CHOICE to speak to me and approached me.
all i asked is if you wanted to trade some of your wimps for some of my terrorist symphathizers for the day sometime.
granted, they are both BS, but it might be some new refreshing BS. 😀
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January 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Rogelio,
I’m trying to catch up here.
Do you think Abortion is OK sometimes?
You don’t write like one of the Personhood Pro Lifers . . .
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January 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm
robert, i am adamantly pro-life. but i am also adamantly anti-terrorist.
i think the personhood bills are lunacy.
laws didn’t prevent abortion before roe v wade and they won’t prevent them now.
the best way to prevent abortion is by helping the people who seek them, to change the situations in their live that make them seek one to begin with.
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January 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm
That is nice to hear.
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January 13, 2012 at 8:31 am
I think where we differ, though, is that I wish you folks would not stand outside the clinics. First, by that time it’s too late. You may save “a baby” or two and good for you, but you are at the same time causing a lot of angst for a women who, when she drives up, sees a crowd of people. Dont you realize that just your presence alone hurts those women? And, yes, even having pro-choicers there adds to the confusion/angst.
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January 11, 2012 at 7:15 am
It’s curious how one sentence— The disappearance of an abortion facility does not stop abortion, it does not “save babies—from Pat’s article, unpacked, can prompt so much.
Historically, when there were no abortion clinics and no doctors to perform abortions, women resorted to whatever means available to them, often with deadly results. And often this meant that poor women were distinctly disadvantaged. Wealthy women had physicians who would perform private abortions or had the means to travel to other countries where abortions were safe and legal.
Closing clinics today only makes access more difficult for some, impossible for others (read poorly resourced women). When abortion clinics are absent or are financially out of reach, women resort (again) to whatever means available, including self abortions and unethical practitioners. No one can morally justify denying a woman an abortion. To do so denies her own agency, denies her reproductive rights and denies her own moral obligations to do what she knows is right for her and her familly. In other words, to deny a woman an abortion, is to deny her status as a fully human and legal citizen.
The issue should be about safe and professional medical care for women such that they can empower their own reproductive lives as they know best. And if and when they choose to have a child, they can do so feeling fully prepared for parenting. It’s that choice that “saves babies” and not burning clinics, murdering people in the name of prolife, or legislating morality through obstructive, misogynist laws.
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January 11, 2012 at 8:37 am
I Love the articles on this blog.
But I really love Kate’s comments.
They are so clear, reasonable, and reflect the reality of the world. The ProLifers live in some crazy mindless fantasyland.
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January 11, 2012 at 8:55 am
I’m also curious what anyone thinks of the GOP primary in general and NH.
We have all these really nutty conservatives all sounding like women haters, many who have signed a pledge to pursue legislation that will get rid of most Birth Control. Most the nation thinks Birth Control is Totally OK.
So in NH, Romney wins with a high percentage. Except half his votes apparently came from independents. Many of these independents are quoted saying they voted for him because he is a moderate.
Ron Paul, does well in NH. Although he is often described as a Fringe candidate. He also got independent votes. Most experts agree Paul’s stance on Foreign policy is so far left of our present president, Paul is actually Dangerous.
So now we are going to go to SC. In SC, 60% of voters describe themselves as evangelicals. Scary. It almost seems these three states are irrelevant except for raising money, rhetoric, and seeing what a Super PAC can do to play KingMaker.
So the GOP has a highly potential flip flopping moderate in Romney that is actually a general election potentially electable candidate. But they want a crazy Conservative. They have the nutty fringe Ron Paul, who I don’t believe will fair well as we leave maverick states. Gingrich, who just got some sweet cash for is PAC so maybe he can fight in SC.
This just seems like the dumbest group of candidates for the GOP I can recall in over 5 decades. I’m glad. It will be fun to watch the GOP dig themselves out of this hole in the general election.
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January 11, 2012 at 10:07 am
Guns ‘n Roses may have an answer . . .
Welcome to the jungle we’ve got fun and games
We got everything you want honey, we know the names
We are the people that can find whatever you may need
If you got the money honey we got your disease
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January 11, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Or, don’t forget the Beatles who said “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da” I think that says it all…
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January 11, 2012 at 7:07 pm
JAJAJAJAJAJAJA
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January 11, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Mormons, and Romney apparently believe stuff like this:
Mormonism traces its origins to the visions of Joseph Smith, Jr. in upstate New York during the 1820s—the site of intense religious revivalism that would become known as the American Second Great Awakening.
Smith said that around 1820, while praying to know which church was right, the Lord appeared to him in a “column of light.”
Smith said that in this “first vision” God told him that all the current churches had “turned aside from the gospel.”
A few years later Smith said that an angel directed him to a nearby hillside where lay buried a book written on golden plates containing the religious history of an ancient people. [DO they have these plates somewhere”]
Smith claimed to have translated the book, and in March 1830 he published the Book of Mormon, named after Mormon, the ancient prophet-historian who compiled the book, and on April 6, 1830, Smith founded the Church of Christ.
Smith intended to establish the city of Zion (or the New Jerusalem) in North America. In 1831, the church moved to Kirtland, Ohio (the eastern boundary of Zion), and began establishing an outpost in Jackson County, Missouri (Zion’s “center place”), where he planned to eventually move the church headquarters.
In 1833, Missouri settlers, alarmed by the rapid influx of Mormons, expelled them from Jackson County. After leading Zion’s Camp, an unsuccessful expedition to recover the land, Smith began building a temple in Kirtland, where the church flourished. The Kirtland era ended in 1838, after the failure of a church-sponsored bank caused widespread defections, and Smith regrouped with the remaining church in Far West, Missouri. During the fall of 1838, tensions escalated into violent conflicts with the old Missouri settlers.
Believing the Saints to be in insurrection, the Missouri governor ordered the Saints’ expulsion from Missouri. In 1839, the Saints converted a swampland on the banks of the Mississippi River into Nauvoo, Illinois, which became the church’s new headquarters.
And a lot more really wacked ideas.
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They sound as crazy a cult as all the Pro Life Anti Abortion cults!
Was Smith a failed stand up comedian?
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January 11, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Mormons don’t have the Monopoly on religious crazy. I would place most the Christian Cults in the crazy bucket.
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January 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Mormons are wacked in the brain just like the rest of the religious nut jobs.
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January 13, 2012 at 5:30 pm
They nominate any of the field other than Romney, they’ll lose super big time. It’s going to be hard enough for Romney to win, unless the PAC’s attacking him start attacking Obama instead. They pick Santorum, they’ve picked an America Talib (member of the Taliban).
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January 13, 2012 at 5:33 pm
“If someone believes in a patently absurd notion, he’s crazy. If 40 million people believe in it, they’re a religion.” Might have been Christopher Hitchens who wrote that. You could look it up.
The Second Great Awakening was largely a counterreaction to the philosophical and scientific discoveries of the Enlightenment– people were too confused and wanted to stop thinking about the sea change going on around them.
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January 11, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Great analysis, Terry! Romney has to be careful about S Carolina. He could possibly lose to Santorum. That would then really open things up. I think deep down, most conservative republicans do not trust Romney. And it will get worse after today because Newt started running commercials about Romney flip flopping on abortion! Also, watch for a commmercial or something that alludes to Romney’s comment yesterday when he said “the people do not want a ‘preacher in chief,” they want a commander in cheif. Some of those nutballs down there DO want a preacher!!!
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January 11, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Indeed, I remember a few days after Doctor Gunn was killed in Pensacola. The clinic shut down for a while until they could find another doctor. A few days later, I talked to the director of a clinic in Mobile, Alambama and she said they were “swamped” with women from Pensacola….
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January 12, 2012 at 10:42 pm
that picture of the guy with the sign scares the hell out of me.
it’s particularly scary because he’s smiling.
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January 13, 2012 at 6:20 am
Hey, rogelio: welcome in again! Your Thread #2 update of your recent history shows to everyone how actually caring for human life gets in the way of “rescuing unborn humans.”
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January 16, 2012 at 7:32 am
hey chuckles!
lip service is definitely easier to offer than true commitment.
i can’t speak for anyone other than myself, but i have found the latter to be far more effective.
when the focus is on the the woman and attempting to help her fix what is broken in her life, that makes her seek an abortion, quite often, the baby is saved by default. and even if the baby isn’t saved, her life is still fixed.
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January 13, 2012 at 6:23 am
Some group is trying to instigate a debate about abortion in Canada, and the government response is, “The matter is closed.” They have a lot of adults in the room up there, evidently…..
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January 13, 2012 at 8:33 am
so much for free speech up there in Canada!
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January 13, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Nah, they can talk about it all they want to! They’re just not going to get any legislative traction….
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January 13, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Didn’t have time to read the whole thread. They are delusional misfits looking for glory egged on by those who don’t want to get their hands dirty. And I won’t forget those few days in Pensacola. I’ll never forget going to lunch with a group of women colleagues. 5 white women and one black women. The prissy little waitress comes over and refills everyone’s drink except for our black companion. It was horrible. She didn’t realize who she was dealing with. “Mary” calls back the waitress with her long dark fingers and blood red nails and points to her glass. It was wonderful!
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January 15, 2012 at 11:40 am
Interesting story, Jennifer. It just seems like Pensacola is stuck in time somewhere in the 50’s. I remember “Mary.” She certainly didn’t take any crap!
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January 13, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Google “aborticentrism”, Jennifer, to see where they’re coming from.
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January 16, 2012 at 7:50 am
>>>Pat Richards Says:
January 13, 2012 at 8:31 am
I think where we differ, though, is that I wish you folks would not stand outside the clinics. First, by that time it’s too late. You may save “a baby” or two and good for you, but you are at the same time causing a lot of angst for a women who, when she drives up, sees a crowd of people. Dont you realize that just your presence alone hurts those women? <<<
well,my roommate doesn't think that i hurt anyone with a mere presence.
she was facing being coerced into an abortion for the second time.
nobody inside the clinic would have helped her escape a home life being treated as chattel by her father and her fiance.
nobody inside the clinic would have helped her to raise the baby that she wanted to have.
nobody inside the clinic would have helped her to get into university to get an education.
my last roommate didn't think that my mere presence was harmful.
i met her after her abortion, which was coerced by a husband that would even go with her to get it.
nobody inside the clinic helped her and her three children to escape from her abusive husband.
nobody inside the clinic would help her to reunite with the family that she had been alienated from.
out of all of the women who approached me, none of them thought my mere presence was harmful with the exception of one woman, who drove past and turned around to return and spit in my face and scream that i had personally killed dr tiller.
but she was not a patient, nor a staffer, but simply a crazy person.
but whether or not my mere presence is immoral or not is irrelevant now for the reasons that i stated before.
i don't have the time to have a presence there. my commitment is to M and her baby.
even if i did have the time, i can't realistically offer what i could before because it would take away from M.
and the atmosphere has changed. it is not calm and peaceful as it once was. i had sensed that things had changed. then my friend confirmed that it wasn't what it was when i used to go there. and iammental confirmed it again.
why it has changed is irrelevant. the fact is that it has changed and i want no part of that.
i think you would have caught that i stated those reasons, but you might not have comprehended what i said because you want to change me.
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January 16, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Hey, rogelio~~
An investigative reporter some decades ago wrote a piece about quack clinics. One of the things he did was submit a yellowish liquid– perhaps Mountain Dew– as a urine specimen, and the test results came back “normal.” After the piece was published, a clinic technician wrote in to the magazine to say something like, “Labs test specimens of urine, not Mountain Dew. We don’t expect people to want to know how their soft drink is doing.”
And while you can be upset that nobody at an abortion clinic would help a woman flee an abusive situation, they’re not trained to do that. They might recognize something odd is going on, and they might have the resources to address it, but it’s not what they’re hired for. What your roommates needed was someone sooner who could have steered them to a women’s crisis center and away from those men. They were lucky to find you, though!
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January 16, 2012 at 6:49 pm
i understand that the staffers in the clinic are not equipped to deal with some of the things that i mentioned.
it wasn’t that i was upset, but i tried to address the issue of mere presence with pat before and was told “i don’t read half of what you post”. so it was a bit awkward when pat brought the issue up again.
but i like pat, and i know that pat thinks that my presence alone at a clinic was immoral.
and i wanted to try and express again to pat that while some choicers might find the mere presence of a lifer at the clinics to be immoral, that the women who approached me disagreed, and explain the motivation.
but again, as i said, even if i had the time or resources that i once had, i would still at this point choose not to be present due to the change in the atmosphere there.
while i don’t see mere presence there when the atmosphere is calm and peaceful to be immoral, harassment and shaming is indeed immoral, and i couldn’t in good conscience be present as i feel like it would make me part of it. no thanks.
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January 16, 2012 at 6:50 pm
btw
thank you for your kind words. you know my motivation and your encouragement means a lot to me.
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January 16, 2012 at 8:03 am
Above, I commented on rogelio’s absence from this blog (due to the commitment needed to care for real human life), and he responded:
“when the focus is on the the woman and attempting to help her fix what is broken in her life, that makes her seek an abortion, quite often, the baby is saved by default. and even if the baby isn’t saved, her life is still fixed.”
–Which alludes to one of the many peculiar characteristics about aborticentrism: the need for tangible gratification. Not for him the months and years of careful nurture; the payoff is so far in the future that it is beyond his comprehension. For him, it must be immediately perceptible: the woman barred from the entrance, the cheers of his fellow protestors as he yells after her, “Jesus loves your baby!” You won’t find him promoting higher taxes to pay for better schools or adopting; the rewards for that behavior are hidden by the fog that blinds his soul.
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October 23, 2015 at 9:08 pm
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