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June 28, 2010 at 12:29 pm
I’m very sorry about this, Laura. Of course, i could come back and give you a bunch of political mumbo jumbo but I’m more interested in digging a little deeper about what happened to you and why you feel this way. There are many others who have the same reaction and maybe we can learn something that will help others. Would you mind if I asked you a few personal questions?
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June 28, 2010 at 5:28 pm
And here’s a pro-deather after it too.
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June 29, 2010 at 9:07 am
Are you referring to me, John? If so, what am I “after”?
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July 14, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Abortion will remain legal, abortion is here to stay.
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June 28, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I suppose had I gone through your experience and suffered what you have suffered, Laura, I might feel the same way. But I am also mindful of what the Bible says about us taking care of one another, which is why I have done what I could to have children I never wanted born, and some of whom I didn’t even like very much, to have a better shot at life than I ever did.
Women tend to validate one another in their grief; men tend to encourage men to shoulder the load and carry on.
Since I am a man, I am going to treat you like a buddy and say this: Stop focusing on yourself for just six months and be a foster parent. There are children out there who need you much, much more than you need to be a biological mother. I’ve been there for quite a few as a father figure, and you can certainly be there for them far better than I ever was.
The choice is yours: Be angry at me, or give some child a chance at a good life.
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June 28, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Irene– I might be a recovering Catholic, but the national motto of my ancestors (the Scots) was “Never forgive; never forget.” When I think of all the harm so-called “pro-lifers” have done to children and families, I’m in no mood to do either.
By the way for all, I’m leaving my name off this to see if it gets posted as “Anonymous,” which might clear things up for a lot of people: If someone forgets to put in his name, he’s automatically “anonymous.”
chuck gregory
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June 29, 2010 at 9:21 am
Charles, what have the John Dunkles of the world done to “harm … children and families”?
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June 29, 2010 at 10:21 am
That phrase refers to the type of person someone had always hoped to find.
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June 29, 2010 at 10:31 am
Uh oh, Pat, now comes the flood.
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June 29, 2010 at 12:35 pm
He answered below and I responded…
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July 9, 2010 at 8:21 pm
How about scare the s–t out of people in a neighborhood who do not know who this creepy person lurking about is.
I would have some serious words if my kids were playing around a guy doing what he says he does,
he might be a pedophile for all i know.
That picture of him is gruesome, like something out of a horror movie.
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June 28, 2010 at 4:02 pm
see the newer comments, Laura. And check out the people who you believe are “pro-life” in the way you consider yourself to be.
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June 29, 2010 at 9:09 am
Pat: You can ask any personal question you want about my experience but of course i dont hve to answer..
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June 29, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Laura: What clinic did you go to for your abortion? Tell me what it was like inside the clinic, i.e., the staff, cleanliness, the doctor, after care, etc….
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June 29, 2010 at 2:49 pm
I went to a clinic in NYC. It was very crowded, the staff was very mean, didn’t care about me. An old black and white tv was on showing Oprah. The counselor talked to me about birth control, but didn’t ask about me. I felt like a number. Went to surgery room and the doc said hello, said what would happen, then i heards the vaccuum. it was horrible, Pat, absolutely horrible. My baby just got sucked up….
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June 30, 2010 at 8:23 am
Laura: I’m gonna respond down below in a new thread, cause I’m running out of room. See below…
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June 29, 2010 at 9:29 am
I dont know how many of you have noticed, but there is now somewhere in this blog a “Dunkle.Com” page with a picture of John and his signs! John: You’re getting your PR!
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June 29, 2010 at 10:32 am
Are you kidding me? Where?
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June 29, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I found it by scrolling down on the home page and on the right hand side, where “previous posts” are listed, there is a reference to the page. You’re famous!
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June 29, 2010 at 9:31 am
Lo and behold! There is also a new “CG.com” page!!! I could spend all friggin day on this stuff…..
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June 29, 2010 at 10:56 am
Either I had nothing to do with it, or I was drunk at the time…
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June 29, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I presume that the person who controls this blog put this in….
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June 29, 2010 at 9:38 am
How do so-called “pro-lifers” harm children and families?
1. They force women into believing or feeling that they are subordinate to men and to society’s opinions about their abilities to behave and choose what is best for themselves and their families.
2. #1 often creates resentment which women shed by converting it into anger toward themselves, their families or society.
3. Women who are coerced into bearing more children than they want to have usually wind up with children who do not get sufficient resources– physical and social– for proper nurture.n Right now, this is one-third of America’s children.
4. Children who grow up under #3 wind up either costing society through criminality, stultification of potential or grave mental health and behavioral disorders (think suicide or perversion).
5. Families under the stresses of the above end up ostracized by society– living in ghettos and slums. This ensures further that the children are even less likely to grow beyond their present circumstances or that if they do, they will turn out like Clarence Thomas.
So-called “pro-lifers” are a hazard to children and families.
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June 29, 2010 at 12:33 pm
I know what youre saying, CG, but it would never hold up in court. Also, when you say that folks like John “force” women into believing certain things, that’s a little insulting to women, isn’t it? I think you’re giving John, et al way too much credit…
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June 29, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Talked recently to Andrea Yates, did you?
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July 14, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Who cares about court (well I care),
Pragmativally, CG, is quite accurate,
This Dunkle does harm people, daily it sounds like.
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June 29, 2010 at 12:42 pm
I think you’re right, Pat. Shoot. Sometimes after reading Charles I begin to think of me the nobody as me the somebody.
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June 30, 2010 at 8:25 am
Laura: Re our thread above…I am tempted to ask what clinic you went to in NYC. There are some real sleazeballs up there, fly by nighters. Every clinic does have its own “personality” and I always found that the NYC clinics were different probably because they were dealing with so many people at one time. But let me ask you this – did the counselor ask you how you felt about having an abortion? Did she ask if you’ve talked to other people, your family, the man, a spiritual figure? Did they delve into your feelings and, indeed, how did you arrive at the decision?
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June 30, 2010 at 10:39 am
Pat: the counselor told me how abortion works, talked a little about adoption. She didn’t ask me much else, took about five minutes. Asked me if I used birth control, which i did but not that night..I culdn’t talk to the boy since he disappeared and could not tell my mom because she’s catholic. Told my sister, that was about it…thank you for asking theese questions..
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July 1, 2010 at 8:24 am
Laura: I’m so sorry you really couldn’t talk to anyone but your sister. It sounds like you went in there very confused, did not have a chance to really think through things and, perhaps as a consequence, you are having lots of issues these days. Did you feel pressured into having the abortion?
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July 1, 2010 at 1:15 pm
it all felt really rushed. i was 13 weeks pregnant and felt i had to do it soon…the counciler seemed in a rush, was just reading stuff from a paper, never looked me in the eye. i felt like i was bothering her. when i went home that night, i cried. that was a few years ago and i still think of my baby that i killed..that si why i am pro life today..
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July 2, 2010 at 12:16 pm
I’m sorry, Laura, that your experience was not better. All clinics are different and it sounds like the one you went to did not do a good job. But, on the other hand, you had an abortion, right? No matter how it turned out, the fact is that you were able to get one at a time when you felt it was the best thing for you. And, now, because it may not have been the perfect experience, you want to take that ability to get one from some other woman? Just doesn’t seem fair to me….
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July 7, 2010 at 11:25 am
This woman is not who she claims to be. With all due respect “Ms. Richards”, I was a supporter of abortion.com through FaceBook until you went on your tirade today against pro-lifers.
Let me first say that they have as much right to their beliefs as you do to yours and I do to mine.
Let me say now that I am pro-choice, but ultimately, I believe in contraception and responsibility. Granted, there are times when a woman is not even given the option to consent to sex. Or is physically endangered by making a choice to conceive.
But you Ms. Richards… you give us women a bad name madam. What you said to Laura was brutal and uncaring. (To Laura, I am so sorry you went through that sweetie.) You deemed her pain acceptable because she got the abortion. Did you ask if she had received counseling on other solutions, such as adoption? No, because it didn’t fall into your narrow-minded view of the world… And in doing so, it is you who are unfair.
Have you even had to go through the hell of coming to a decision about your child’s life? Doesn’t seem so. In fact, and this is an observation, it doesn’t seem that you possess the compassion to look at abortion as anything outside a cold and calculated decision. And that is unfair. Unfair to the mothers, the fathers, and most of all, the unborn children. Because call it what you wish, and keep in mind I am pro-choice, we are making the decision to kill a child. It should not be taken lightly or an “oh well, sucks for you” situation…
HOW DARE YOU BE SO BRAZEN AND CRUEL?
You give us pro-choice believers a very bad rep because you attack anyone who doesn’t agree with you. You’ve set up this blog and your website without any form of credentials whatsoever. You post two separate phone numbers that lead to the Manchester OBGYN Association– who is only affiliated with you because a doctor performs abortions.
Your credibility is wholly suspect. Are you anything besides a person who has way too much time to sit on your backside telling people what to think and condemning them when they are wrong for not believing as you do?
…If I had something viable…, anything at all, I would have you reported to FaceBook in a heartbeat.
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July 8, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Wow, Rilriia!
You definitely get today’s tirade award!
That was the biggest tirade I have seen!
HOW DARE YOU BE SO BRAZEN AND CRUEL?
Rilriia,
If you an officer of the court, did you wake up on the wrong side of your Ethical Codes, and Boundaries of Advocacy in your Horn book?
Let’s put a poll and see who thinks who has the biggest tirade here.
You speak without any knowledge, and that is very dangerous to others, only in a way that harms people as you infer a lot but you are mistaken.
An attorney should know better.
Are you really an attorney, what is your website?
But that is what attorneys do as a matter of daily routine.
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So, do people have the right to express any of their beliefs?
Does a prolifer have the right to express their belief (It IS their belief) that everyone is encouraged to go murder a person associated with anyone that does an abortion, and they will get paid for doing such?
Do you really believe expression of that hate, instigating murder belief like that is OK?
You are the attorney,
May someone express that belief? Legally? Cite please.
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Yes, you may have a tirade here if you please.
Just try and get your facts straight, my goodness, you are an attorney!
Pat,
are you a doctor? You did not mention that.
If you are not why is Rilriia accusing you?
Rilriia,
If Pat is a doctor can you cite the unethical medical things you accuse Pat of by statute?
If not a doctor, can you cite the unethical things you do by accusing of medical unethical practice, if that is not the case. ie proffering up damaging comments that are not true.
We do not know yet, Pat will have to tell us if Pat is a doctor or not.
Is it OK to accuse someone of unethical medical practice if they are not a doctor.
Pat what kind of doctor are you?
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Rilriia
…If I had something viable…, anything at all, I would NOT have you reported to The Bar or FB in a heartbeat.
People should not be so vindictive and mean, have a little introspection.
Most people here have been pretty tolerant, unlike yourself.
Why don’t you spend time talking in discourse on the issue instead of lecturing that Pat, in such a brazen and cruel way.
Unless there is lying, and I do not even believe that Mr. Dunkle thinks so, Pat has been an advocate for Women’s rights for decades. If Pat is telling the truth, I believe Pat is.
I would love to compare your record of advocacy, to Pats’.
Govern ThySelf Accordingly.
Kind Regards,
Erica
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July 9, 2010 at 8:57 am
Erica: I am not a doctor, although I played one as a kid. I did represent doctors, however, on Capitol Hill for many years as you noted.
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July 9, 2010 at 8:26 pm
That’s interesting.
Where is that Attorney?
I would like to know why she is accusing you of poor medical ethics of medical practice and you are not a doctor.
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July 13, 2010 at 7:50 am
Wonderful example of the pot calling the kettle black.
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July 7, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Rilriia, where did you find Pat’s tirade? He/she is the fairest and kindest killers’ helper I’ve encountered; so, of course, I’m anxious to read the tirade.
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July 9, 2010 at 8:29 pm
John,
as I have read your commentary,
however disagreeable I may be to it,
I do not find you humorous, like this He/She thing, it must be on purpose, I am literally laughing out loud every time I read it.
2) You seem to be very eloquent at times, with a depth-full vocabulary, then you go into a bizarre riddle mode.
Is that on purpose?
Trying to understand.
WHat do you think of that lawyer and her comments toward HeShe Pat?
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July 13, 2010 at 7:52 am
Pat won’t tell me if he’s a he or she’s a he so what am I supposed to do?
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July 14, 2010 at 12:12 pm
The context of her sentence seems to imply that she wrote “not” by mistake.
I think it is pretty funny to…
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July 9, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Erica, when John goes into “bizarre riddle mode,” he actually is up against the wall without an answer that meets the demands of the question. You just have to allow for that when it happens, since you have no power over his conduct.
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July 8, 2010 at 7:50 am
I’m anxious to read about my tirade too! My conversation with Laura is above. Where are you reading this?
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July 8, 2010 at 11:27 am
Your comments on FaceBook, or your affliation with the moderator on FaceBook who claims to represent/be you.
Your conversation with Laura is in an open forum blog format. And it was brazenly cruel. More than that, given the information she posted, you uphold unethical medical practices. An abortion clinician/doctor (just as an adoption attorney) is responsible for making sure that a person is making an informed decision, is aware of all other options, and is as comfortable as humanly possible with the decision. They are supposed to suggest counciling and support groups. Instead, Laura reports continued mental anguish and trauma.
Your response added to the callousness of that. “No matter how it turned out, the fact is that you were able to get one at a time when you felt it was the best thing for you.” If you felt any iota of compassion for this person, you failed miserably to show it.
And forgive me, but if you don’t like it, take this blog off the internet and out of public format.
I support pro-choice. Sometimes abortion is the only option. However it is a sensitive subject and should be. It should be treated with the gravity it deserves, and those who choose to engage in an abortion should be treated with some form of compassion. How would you feel if you were in “Laura’s” shoes and had her experiences??? What about your mother, or daughter, or sister? Would you tell them the same thing you told this person? Surely not…
I would also like to know exactly what is going on with this blog/abortion.com/the FaceBook group from abortion.com and how exactly you all are linked and who exactly is behind this. Because again, your/their actions are fueling pro-life stances and giving this subject the dirty name is has endured for decades.
And if you’re not affiliated with abortion.com or their FaceBook group, perhaps you should a)remove the links to them (all phone numbers go to Manchester OBGYN anyway); b) contact the moderator posing as you or your mouthpiece; c)remove all links from your blog advertising abortion.com because they state they are you.
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July 8, 2010 at 11:29 am
My apologies, point a and c in the last paragraph were the same.
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July 8, 2010 at 2:09 pm
don’t understand
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