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August 14, 2011 at 11:23 am
Thanks for the compliment, Ray! And I appreciate your support for legal abortion. As for the pro-life “rhetoric”, I’m just pleased that we have some on the other side who contribute regularly. If this was all pro-choice folks, it would be boring!!
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August 14, 2011 at 11:45 am
Yeah, thanks Ray, also, for reviving this post.. It’s filed with great stuff, mostly mine. Pat’s second, a distant second.
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August 17, 2011 at 3:57 am
However,it’s also filled with 2, 3, and 4 — the adolescent illiterate space filers of Kitra, Remy, and anonymous. They’re smart enough, though, to be brief. You should see what comes out when they try to elaborate.
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September 1, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Now they’re 4, 5, 6.
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August 16, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Abortion will always remain legal.
In countries where it is illegal it will become legal.
It is the women’s imperitive.
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August 16, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Pro Lifers are just insane.
It is the only explanation for their wild antics.
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August 16, 2011 at 5:11 pm
I believe in the rights of all women to determine their own reproductive choice.
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August 18, 2011 at 1:59 am
I have had a long troubling conversation with Our Lord God Ruler of the Universe.
In his almighty wisdom, he feels he has been betrayed by those who claim to be Christian.
The Christians, on these pages, continually try and point out the sins of others, while in doing so Sin immensely. God did not send his only Son to die for our Sins to be betrayed this way.
Christians, your Eternal souls depend on you recognizing the horrible examples you have given as Christians. Your eternal opportunity to be with The Holy Spirit and live amongst the true Christians of this millennium, to sit beside our Holy redemptor, and live in the Bliss of Heaven is in grave danger. Dear fellow Christians. You mock our Lord, and he is very angry. As He has told me before – and you, His children, continue to Mock Him, and not follow the teachings of Jesus, by simply living as Jesus did you betray our Heavenly Father.
His sadness at your horrible examples have placed you all in great Jeopardy. If you truly have a Personal relationship with God you already know this as he has spoken to you. If you do not know what you have done, you must immerse yourself in self inspection, as your sins against our Holy Father test the limits of your ability to enter Heaven. I pray for you, I plead with you. Ultimately it is your choice, the Path of our Almighty Father or that of Satan. I have seen Satan in many of you.
Choose your path, and choose it wisely. The decision is simple for all those who know God. Your time in this world and this corpus is not eternal. The hereafter is.
I pray for you in an all night Vigil, as the message I have received is so imperative it is all I can do for you troubled sinners who call themselves Christians and falsely represent the teachings of Jesus.
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August 28, 2011 at 8:56 am
It is my understanding that the overwhelming majority of the prolife activists believe life begins at conception – in the sense that a fertilized egg is the moral equivalent of the woman. As such, they personally feel a moral obligation to save the zygote/embryo/fetus from abortion regardless of the ethics of their tactics and regardless of the accuracy of their information. Their tactics included violent words, yelling and screaming, grotesque images that are misleading and that are intended to shame women. They use inaccurate images, compare dog abuse with abortion, connect abortion to breast cancer and post abortion stress syndrome (both of which have been debunked by distinguished medical institutions), compare abortion clinics to the Auschwitz Nazi extermination camp, and lie or exaggerate the risks of abortion.
The activists, with seemingly noble intentions, create a volatile atmosphere, asserting their rights to free speech and to exercise of their religion, their rights to get close to clinic patients to talk to them and their rights to hand out their literature. They turn every neighborhood where they picket into a spectacle with their penchant for invading women’s privacy and using violent words to humiliate and stigmatize women. Yet, they fail to see how their very presence, as strangers to women at clinics, and their harsh words are a form of violence.
But when they feel slighted or wronged, they complain that life isn’t fair. As one can read on this blog and elsewhere, they are fighting a unidirectional war against abortion providers and their affiliates. No one is fighting them, no one is making widespread laws that target anti-abortion activists, no one is filing lawsuits against them, or no one is imagining conspiracies. They can dish out all their ugliness with impunity like any school yard bully. But when they encounter resistance, they first whine as if they’ve been wronged, file frivolous and nuisance lawsuits, protest either in person or through letter-writing campaigns against doctors and clinic directors. For example, three protesters claimed that there was a conspiracy to block their constitutional and civil rights with the use of tarps, human scrums and nonverbal vocal noises. While they asked for damages for the deprivation of *their* rights and *their* emotional distress, I doubt that they ever consider the emotional distress that they caused the staff, volunteers and the patients.
No one on either side on the abortion controversy would argue against the right to speak freely or the right to exercise one’s religion. However, it seems to me that most of the prolife advocates have crossed the line when they
• Invade women’s privacy outside a health care clinic
• Use their religion to harass and shame women
• Refute established medical and scientific knowledge
• Force grotesque images in women’s faces
Regardless of one’s position on abortion, no one should ever subject a woman to public humiliation for her personal health care choices.
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August 28, 2011 at 10:15 am
Most excellent, Kate!! You’ve got a talent for the written word
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August 28, 2011 at 11:47 am
My humble thanks, Pat.
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September 2, 2011 at 10:28 am
Kate really does know how to write with great clarity of thought.
Thank you Kate for relaying such an important message so clearly, and taking up the challenge of even conversing with the Pro Lifers. The Pro Lifers are so challenged mentally, I don’t know where you get your patience to respond to their endless ridiculous statements.
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September 2, 2011 at 1:47 pm
They are proving to themselves that they are potent people, and they hope to be able to prove themselves potent enough to transcend Death.
If they can prevent an abortion, it gives them hope that they can prevent their own erasure from the world’s memory.
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August 29, 2011 at 8:12 am
OK Killers’ Helpers, at Pat’s request I am going to stick it to you: do you believe you were alive before you were born?
(Answer briefly, as Pat also requested.)
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August 29, 2011 at 8:40 am
I was alive ONLY in the sense that I was a parasite living inside someone else’s space. So, yes.
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August 29, 2011 at 9:30 am
May you kill someone living inside your space?
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August 29, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Define “inside your space” please. Some people will say their “space” is ten square feet around them. Also define “someone”.
This is gonna be fun!!
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August 29, 2011 at 12:36 pm
I’d also say define “you” as in “May you kill . . .”
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August 29, 2011 at 6:11 pm
The space could be the world if you think you own it, your country, city, “hood,” house, bedroom, and body.
“Someone” is a human being, not a non-human being.
“You,” Kate, is another human being.
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August 29, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Yep, sure was!!!
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August 29, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Kate, the self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” will never be seen as heroes if they find themselves defending a PARASITE’S right to life!
Though, actually, the fetus IS a parasite. Back in the 80’s an Australian researcher in immunology transplanted tadpole fetuses into male frogs and observed how they took over the body’s hormonal production to ensure their own survival. It turned out that human fetuses will do the same if transplanted into males, and for a while there was a spate of men trying to get a doctor to make them pregnant. No doctor ever took up the challenge, as far as my reading of the tabloids indicates.
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August 29, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Get off the tabloids, Chuck. Everything’s been tried.
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August 30, 2011 at 7:26 am
I’m already getting lost here. But I think John is now asking can you kill “someone” in your world,in your country, in your city. And my answer is yes, you can under certain circumstances and you can do it legally….
Next question, John…
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August 30, 2011 at 10:54 am
Good, we’re getting somewhere (for once in your life, Chuck, listen). May someone kill someone else who hasn’t done anything wrong?
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August 31, 2011 at 4:09 am
OK, I’ll answer for you. No, that’s evil. Ergo, baby killing, “abortion according to you folks, is evil.
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August 31, 2011 at 8:13 am
Now, John, dont be obnoxious. Don’t answer for me!
And my answer is “yes.” When we are at war, we kill lots of “someones” who have not done anything wrong, like children. It’s unfortunate, but it is part of the territory.
Next!
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August 31, 2011 at 10:09 am
Sorry, Pat, I get impatient. OK, in a war we do kill innocent people, and, occasionally, we execute innocent people, but with legal baby killing we are neither at war not making a mistake. We are setting out deliberately to kill innocent people, and that’s were the evil comes in.
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August 31, 2011 at 4:36 pm
You would not make a good lawyer, John. You just jumped from asking me if it’s okay to kill “someone” (undefined) who is innocent to saying that a “baby” is an “innocent person”. We have not established that it is a “person” yet.
Please now prove it’s a “person.”
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August 31, 2011 at 5:33 pm
We surely are into the nitty-gritty — is the baby a person? Yes. The general term for this kind of being is “person” and some particular terms are teenager, toddler, octogenarian, zygote, newborn, ten-year-old, adolescent, forty-year-old, and so on. The zygote and the toddler are very young people, and so are the fetus and the two-year old.
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September 1, 2011 at 6:04 am
How does this sound for a definition of a person?
any sentient entity that has the moral right of self-determination and that meets the following conditions of intelligence, self-awareness and consciousness
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September 1, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Sounds phony, sounds as if you’re describing a squirrel.
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September 1, 2011 at 8:01 am
Why won’t any Christian answer why it is OK for God to command so much Infanticide and murder in the Christian Bible?
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September 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Because, Riley, I already gave a magnificent answer to this question a week ago. Now do what I told you. Take a couple of years off and study. Then come back here. I’ll send you to that answer (if I find that you are now capable of thinking). If I sent you now, you’d be in way over your head.
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September 2, 2011 at 10:38 am
Why are some Pro Lifers such rude, lying, hucksters that have no desire to do good things?
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September 2, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Why is Riley such rude, lying, huckster who has no desire to do good things?
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September 1, 2011 at 8:36 am
John: if, as you suggest, the thing inside the woman’s body is a “person,” then why did Senator Jesse Helms try for so many years to define “person” to include that which is in the woman’s body? Why would he go through that if you are correct?
So, please acknowledge that this definition is yours, not the generally accepted definition of “person.”
And, uh, Riley, thanks for the comment?
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September 1, 2011 at 11:57 am
I guess Jesse faced the same obstacles I am facing.
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September 2, 2011 at 10:41 am
That’s not the point, John. You keep telling us it’s a person, it’s a person. But the leading pro-lifer in the Senate for many years thought he had to change the law to get it defined as a “person.” So, while he personally may have thought it was, he knew a lot of others didn’t think so.
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September 2, 2011 at 5:45 pm
That’s what I meant: same as me.
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September 2, 2011 at 9:31 am
Does anyone think there should be a law to punish women who buy medicine and perform their own abortions?
A medicine used to protect the stomach from ulcers can be used to induce abortions.
Women can get this medicine, and apparently presently do.
Does anyone think there should be a law to punish women who buy medicine and perform their own abortions?
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September 2, 2011 at 10:41 am
It is scary.
I have read some Pro Lifers that think that women should be placed in Jail for life for having an abortion.
I even read a pro lifer that believes that capital punishment is appropriate for people that perform an abortion.
There are some Pro Lifers that are so out of touch with reality – they probably have psychiatric disorders.
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September 2, 2011 at 10:44 am
That’s a great question, Lisa! And I’m torn. I would hope that they never got to that point, that they could just go to a clinic. But, if abortion were made illegal again, more women would do just what you are suggesting. And the more I think about it, I can’t support punishing them for performing their own abortion. Again, it’s their body, right? GREAT QUESTION…Dunkle???
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September 2, 2011 at 5:55 pm
It’s not their bodies if you believe in God. They’re God’s bodies.
And get off that “if it were made illegal stuff.” Ninety-nine percent of the women who are now paying men to kill their babies would not do so if it were illegal. Most people obey the law, especially women. Law is really so much more important for women. Otherwise the strong would dominate the weak even to the point of killing them. Barbarians like us have killed and are still killing females.
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September 3, 2011 at 8:11 am
Lisa,
A Pro Lifer still has not answered your question.
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September 2, 2011 at 12:40 pm
I don’t believe punishment is appropriate. Public health education is appropriate. Women’s health education is critical, especially in non-English speaking communities. But public education about abortion is scarce because of stigma. But let’s be realistic, women choose self abortion because of barriers to health care, including health education that comes with health care, and because there are increasingly more outlets for the drugs. Unfortunately, they don’t always have the information they need about potential health risks. The drug, Misoprostol, used alone can cause an incomplete abortion, while the combination of Misoprostol and Mifepristone is 95% to 98% effective.
The Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health statement offer their position of self abortion with Misoprostol, excerpted here: “Though data are lacking regarding the overall experiences and outcomes of women who self-abort using this method, anecdotal and published case reports from hospital emergency and obstetric and gynecology departments have documented misoprostol overdose with maternal organ failure, hemorrhage due to incomplete abortion, rupture of undocumented ectopic pregnancy, and complications of molar pregnancy.”
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September 2, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Are you sure, Kate, that those “anecdotal and published case reports” are not what I said?
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September 4, 2011 at 9:14 am
So whatever happened to this great debate we were going to have? I thought John was going to put me on the witness stand and ask me hard hitting questions that would ultimately prove his points. Kind of fizzled out, huh?
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September 4, 2011 at 10:05 am
Geez, Pat, I thought I’d won! I thought you’d held up the white flag! You asked me why was Jesse, in all his attempts to get others to admit that persons are alive nine months before they’re born, unsuccessful. I said it’s not that easy to get others to admit the obvious, look at how hard it is for me to get any of you to admit that. You come closest, but even you, at the bottom line, support the killers’ and their helpers’ maxims: “might makes right,” “the strong may kill the weak,” and, “if it’s legal, it must be OK.”
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September 5, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Oh, I didn’t realize you had won, John. Congratulations.
Okay, all life is precious, that shall not kill, etc. Does that extend to animal life?
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September 5, 2011 at 2:05 pm
No, only human life.
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September 7, 2011 at 12:25 pm
What about Hominids?
Were they human in your opinion?
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September 7, 2011 at 2:13 pm
no
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September 7, 2011 at 10:26 am
You may have answered this at some point, John, but has anyone in your family ever had an abortion?
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September 7, 2011 at 11:38 am
yes
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September 8, 2011 at 8:59 am
How did you feel when they got the abortion? Did they tell you about it in advance? If so, did you try to dissuade them? Do you now look at her as a killer, a murderer?
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September 8, 2011 at 9:10 am
“How did you feel when they got the abortion?” When I learned about it, I had mixed feelings.
“Did they tell you about it in advance?” No.
“If so, did you try to dissuade them?” No, but I would have.
“Do you now look at her as a killer, a murderer?” Only as a killer, and I love that person.
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September 7, 2011 at 12:23 pm
These Anti Abortion people are nuts.
Check this out:
They want to get rid of Birth Control!
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/if-every-life-is-worth-saving-the-pro-life-movement-must-now-oppose-hormona/
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September 7, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Andrea,
never underestimate the magnitude of human stupidity in the anti abortion machinations.
Many Pro Lifers on this very blog have written that they want to outlaw a lot of forms of birth control!
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September 7, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Andrea,
never underestimate the magnitude of human stupidity in the anti life machinations.
Many anti-lifers on this very blog have written that they have no idea what “birth control” means!
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September 7, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Andrea is nuts. Check this out: she call masturbation “birth control!”g.
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September 8, 2011 at 9:02 am
Hmmm. that’s an interesting comment that Andrea made. But, say you are a guy and you are horny. Your wife is sitting over there on the couch but instead of jumping on her bones and planting the seed, you decide to go out to your car and masturbate. By doing so, didn’t that guy “control” a possible birth??
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September 8, 2011 at 9:13 am
Yeah, that’s the way people understand it, but the term “birth control” should refer to the practice of chastity.
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September 8, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Abortion is no the best thing but it is there for good reasons too. im 16 was faithfully taking birth control and i need one so all of you need to mind youw own businesss
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September 9, 2011 at 9:15 am
Thanks for chiming in, anonymous. Obviously, birth control is not 100 percent effective, but there are still people out there who think that, even though YOU were being responsible, you should then be forced to have a child. Hmmmmm, maybe women should be giving those children to the companies that made the birth control that failed in the first place…
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September 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Stops us every time, doesn’t it, Pat. We maintain that “pregnant” means “with child.” This pregnant sixteen year old already has the child. Now she is going to pay some man four hundred dollars to kill her, with your encouragement.
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September 9, 2011 at 5:52 pm
I will take the child and I am not kidding either. If you don’t want to raise it let me know and I will let you know how to contact me. Consider letting it live instead of dying please.
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September 9, 2011 at 6:06 pm
P.S. I have impeccable references and the financial means to raise the baby. It would be surrounded by love and cherished it’s entire life. Please think about it before you abort it. If you decide to parent the baby and need help read Nunya’s comment below she can help you do that and I will help as well.
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September 9, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Anonymous, you said you “need” one. If you mean an abortion, please talk to many people you trust. Friends, school counselors, your parents and family members if you can. You don’t have to abort your child, nor do you have to raise it if you don’t want to. Come back here and let me know if you want another option, and I will put you in touch with people in your town who will help you. If you find no one, I will help you. I will pay for your health care, as well as find a home for your unborn child. Most of all, don’t feel alone or pressured. There are many people who will help you. You don’t know me, but if you need a place to wait out your pregnancy, you can stay with me. I can give you many references, including several pastors, business people, a lawyer, a judge and a published writer. You don’t have to go through your pregnancy alone, you don’t have to pay for it, and you don’t have to raise this child if you don’t want to. I will personally help you in any way I can. I am sorry that your birth control failed and that you find yourself in this situation, but it isn’t hopeless, or a one way street. Does the father know? Could he or his family help you if you aren’t comfortable with yours?
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September 9, 2011 at 4:35 pm
I also can provide a police officer and two bank vice presidents as references. I know it would be hard to trust a total stranger, but I’m here if you need me.
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September 9, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Just beautiful, NY. This should stop any anti-lifer in her tracks, but it won’t.
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September 9, 2011 at 6:43 pm
That’s not the point. I will help this girl is she’ll only reach out.
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