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April 5, 2010 at 10:06 am
If John is a typical “pro-lifer,” he has some very compelling reasons not to respond: Aborticentrism (google it) dictates that in order to meet the needs underlying his opposition to abortion, he must conserve his own emotional energy. This means he cannot risk the give-and-take of discussion about abortion, since he would find it threatening to confront information that would overwhelm his beliefs. In order to preserve the fragile well-being that he enjoys, he cannot engage.
At the same time, though, he is compelled to engage. He has to, because “pro-life syndrome” compels him to seek heroism. Since he cannot engage at a level which would put his well-being at risk, his level of engagement is of the “shoot-and-run” variety.
Which pretty well describes the level of engagement so-called “pro-lifers” have with the “unborn innocents” they want to rescue. A sort of “‘save’-and-run.”
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April 5, 2010 at 4:43 pm
John
where is he?
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April 5, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Wanda thank you,
thank you for your input.
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April 5, 2010 at 4:45 pm
These blogs are helping me greatly to gather a more comprehensive view of pro – choice…
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April 17, 2010 at 10:25 am
Sorry folks, I forget that this is open too, and I should comment here as well as at the daily postings. I’ll start at #77.
Pat, the only form of birth control I recognize is the one suggested by those long-forgotten terms, purity, chastity. In other words, I don’t think masturbation or killing is birth control at all. It’s loss of control.
Hilly, don’t know.
Charles, don’t pile up on me. You know I can handle only one thing at a time.
Hilly, but due to stupidity, not arrogance.
Charles: way over my head
#82 Hi Deirdre, here.
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April 30, 2010 at 8:20 am
John
don’t understand the stupidiity claim, was that referring to the Anencephalic question?
If you have dogmatic opinions and will vote For legislature, hard to beleive that is an answer, or I probably misinterpret.
Hard to follow the thread.
A fetus sadly devolps with Complete Anencephaly. No Cranium, and no Brain!!!!
Real condition, the fetus will not grow a brain.
Mom’s have good chances of harm later in gestation. Some loose their wombs some die from complications.
They fetus will never survive outside the womb, and will never even think (no brain).
This not a thought question this real and happens to mothers who want babies, this will not be that baby, and may cause her to never be able to have a baby.
Are they aloud to get an abortion in your veiw? Or would you vote to mandate that woman to the suffering and possibly her own demiise?
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April 30, 2010 at 8:29 am
If you can answer these questions, John, I will be impressed!
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April 30, 2010 at 9:01 am
Hi Pat, here’s my answer to Shelly’s three questions, and I apologize for not numbering the comments in #85 that I was responding to.
#1, I claimed stupidity because I didn’t answer Charles’ questions.
#2, No
#3, If she were really going to die because, for example, the young person was growing in her fallopian tube, I would allow the pathologically damaged tube to be removed to save her life, and, of course, the little girl would then die, but this is not a direct attack on that little girl. Abortion, though, is a direct attack on her.
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April 30, 2010 at 9:13 am
John, would you allow an abortion at 22 weeks to save the woman’s life as well?
P.S. – I owe you a private email, will send soon. Wanna ask a favor…
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April 30, 2010 at 10:52 am
Yes, but only to save her life, not her “health.”
I’ll be waiting. I hope your wish is my command.
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April 30, 2010 at 11:12 am
John,
You don’t get it I do not think. I could be wrong.
No one can predict if a woman will die from the anencephalic birth, loose her womb, or suffer other horrible events (published embolisms and leg amputations for Mom!) there is a chance that death to Mom can occur, that does happen, worldwide. And it is not miniscule.
The choice must be made, unfortunately, without the luxury of knowledge of the future. (Unless you know something I do not.)
May a women have that choice? She is not a clairvoyant.
Simple question. Please do not evade the simple answer.
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April 30, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Jenny, I do know this: if the fallopian tube with a child growing inside it is not removed, both the carrier and the carried will die. I don’t know this: a the carrier will die from an “anencephalic” birth or from a thousand other causes. And in light of the doubt about the carrier’s life and the certainty about the life of the one carried, we must come down on the side of the young person. Yup, you’re wrong.
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April 30, 2010 at 3:09 pm
So, John, if its a 14 year old, you won’t come down on the side of that “young person?”
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April 30, 2010 at 3:38 pm
post #88– very Jesuitical! It will broaden once we start seeing women Jesuits….
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April 30, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Of course not, Pat. No matter how young someone is, she may not kill someone else! (I know I said I wouldn’t talk publicly to Charles anymore, but isn’t “Jesuitical” a compliment?)
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April 30, 2010 at 4:59 pm
John Dunkle,
Actually, I am not wrong if you believe in living under the rule of law that the vast majority of people in our society agree with.
If you do not want to live under the governance of the United States, please say so, as why would you stay.
I do not know if you mean to, however you present a position of letting a 14 yo die in childbirth, rather than giving her the option of avoiding the most obvious and simplest of the abortion questions.
That is, a baby without a brain. The baby always dies, and never thinks –
Get it – No Brain, Complete Anencephaly.
Think it through a little. Your position is so astonishing and strange.
There are a tiny fringe of you that would disallow this to a 14 yo in this country,
and it is utterly shocking.
Be thankful that no one is trying to legislate your rights from you as you are to them.
Inn that society, you would not even be able to post on a site like this you are so far on the fringe.
I am quite right. Ask 99+++++% of individuals on the planet. Or do you know better than all those people?
Are the grand arbiter of truth? If so please advise where that has been handed to you.
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May 1, 2010 at 4:11 am
Jenny, I enjoy talking to people but I don’t like being lectured to. John
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May 1, 2010 at 8:51 am
I, for one, appreciate John being on this list on a regular basis to provide his view. And, for the most part, I believe he tries to answer all of the questions coming on all different threads. To be fair, why is no one else jumping on Charles for never having answered DIRECTLY the “is a 22 week abortion killing a baby?” question.
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May 1, 2010 at 9:25 am
John Dunkle,
with Brevity to quote you:
“Yup, you’re wrong.”
Reality:
You are wrong by definition, since you cannot support your belief system.
You are a lecturer (and probably much worse).
Many other examples of your lecturing activity as I have looked through this blog.
Beyond that,
You are a person that harasses people outside their offices by your own admission. Even people entering an office for something like a Flu Vaccine. You do not know why any individual is entering an office.
No one likes to be lectured to when they are wrong. Of coarse you don’t like perceiving that.
But it was not a lecture.
It was a simple example of logic, how the fringe cannot support one of thousands of points of discussion, and how the fringe behave when they do not want to live under rule of law.
When one (you) realizes that they cannot support their strong held beliefs (that they have lectured and harassed for years to others) without any logic whatsoever.
They dodge, evade, or just do not answer the questions.
The vast majority of prolifers do not even come close to agreeing with you.
A dissonance of mind when presented with indisputable fact.
I pray that you can be a little introspective.
On the same note, if I understand your logic,
a tubal pregnancy, treated with methotrexate does nothing to harm the tube, it causes direct harm to the growing pregnancy that will have a decent chance of killing the mother. How does that fit in your tubal discussion? There is no “attack on the tube.”
Only words,
would love to be educated (even in lecture form if you like, I would rather be persuaded than worry about being lectured to) why a baby without a brain cannot undergo a Therapeutic Abortion if the mother chooses, you still would defer to the chance of her death, or high morbidity. Or why an ectopic cannot receive a well studied efficacious medical intervention.
RJ
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May 1, 2010 at 10:09 am
Pat, could you state HOW I have not answered Meg’s question directly?
It is very kind of you to keep John in the pool, and he’s brave to let people dump on him when they point out how his problems.
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