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May 1, 2010 at 10:13 am
PS– more aborticentrism–inspired behavior. Every time John is on a sidewalk trying to dissuade a woman, he is “lecturing” to her; every time he stalks an abortion provider by standing outside her house with his sign, he’s “lecturing” to her. Yet he can’t engage in the give and take of discussion his behavior inspires on this site. . .
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May 1, 2010 at 10:25 am
CG: if you have answered it somewhere else I apologize:
In your personal view, is a 22 week abortion killing a baby?
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May 1, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Pat, if I’m the one who’s pregnant, it’s exclusively MY call as to whether it’s a baby or a parasitical growth trying to kill me via eclampsia, or anything in between.
If it’s somebody else’s baby, it’s entirely THEIR call as to whether or not it’s a baby. For that mater, if she (or the pregnant me) wants to call it a baby despite any condition it might have or be threatened with, only SHE (or in my case, I) has the right to so label it.
So, it would depend on how I felt about my pregnancy.
From the very first time I weighed in with an opinion for a 19-year-old sibling ( not too long after Roe v. Wade), my advice to all women has been basically the same: “Trust your feelings, now that there are the resources you want for whatever you choose, and stay away from certain categories of advice-givers.”
That is not to say I have not met a hell of a lot of women I thought should get an abortion (but not her).
Follow-up: She thought things through and concluded, My sister is twelve years older than I, and she’s been around the world three times and done everything she’s set out to do. When I’m her age, I’ll be a single mom with a 12-year-old kid.”
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May 1, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Jennry R, the fact that a vast majority of so-called “pro-lifers” does not agree with you is a credit to the strength of your argument.
I know that the Bible has about three-quarters of a million words in it, and you can safely contravene probably 90% of it and risk only a lifetime of religious acrimony (I exempt most of Leviticus for good reasons).
I haven’t a word count for my Textbook of Pediatrics, but I’d guess it’s got about 4.5 million, and it differs from the Bible in several important respects:
1. It tells you when evidence is doubtful.
2. Its prediction of what will likely happen next (descriptions of etiology) is very reliable
3. If you disregard the information, a child is more likely than not to suffer.
John, “Jesuitical” is a compliment coming from the Roman Curia, but an insult coming from a Scholastic. I guess you’re not Catholic.
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May 3, 2010 at 3:15 pm
I was away for three days, folks. Now #99 — Jenny. Some lectures are good, some bad. Yours are bad. You say something. You realize how weak it is and quickly say something else. This process is repeated a third, fourth, fifth time. One statement contradicts an earlier one. Another is incomprehensible. What we’re left with is chaos. That’s bad lecturing. But I don’t like being lectured to here even if it’s good! This is a place to talk, not lecture. Pat, unlike all others that I know of who support legal abortion, graciously allows us pro-lifers to respond. A way to make response possible is to say one thing at a time, not ten things. So, make one clear statement or ask one straight question. Maybe you’ll even convert me!
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May 3, 2010 at 4:15 pm
John Dunkle,
Please help me phrase below better if question still is not clear.
Trying to adhere to your non lecturing discussion talking guidelines (not because I agree with your logical method, but because if it foster’s discussion it is worth it – on either side – rather than debating logic gates)
Threads do become confusing, agreed.
OK.
Ectopic Pregnancy.
Treated with methotrexate. Directly attacks the pregnancy, not the tube. So the tube position of supporting the position of allowing is gone.
Treating an early ectopic with methotrexate is >1,000 better than having a surgery, and losing a tube, potentially becoming infertile or dying from anesthesia.
Not treated ectopic in 14 (or 24 yo if you prefer) year old mother — she can die, and they do daily around the world.
Is she allowed the choice? Would you legislate that away from her?
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May 3, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Let me answer for John, so he doesn’t have to put down that sign: There’s nothing worse than abortion.
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May 3, 2010 at 5:39 pm
I hope his answer follows some logic.
I hope that people when confronted with fact, can make proper evaluations, and ultimately legislations. I do want those signs down.
I hope I am able to do that.
As a summary statistic, it feels our country has been slowly moving through the oscillations in the right direction. Only time will tell, our Republic is young still.
The framers, made possible for the fringe to live under the rule of law. Or face consequences.
The majority of society has seemed to move toward the better trajectory of humanity, compassion, and better legislation, despite the innumerable pitfalls.
I may be very wrong. I hope not, as there is no other alternative than to show the world people Can govern themselves, and do it right.
If we cannot, as we almost did not in 1861, one wonders what the maturation of civilization may have been.
Our republic, “The Experiment,” is ongoing,
I will commit to thinking forwardly on it it, despite the fringe elements.
So we will see the simple answer shortly.
Hopefully, sensibility can be a Meme . . .
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May 3, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Jenny, when it comes to asking questions, you’re as hopeless as Charles. So let me do it for you:
Question — “Methotrexate” will kill a child growing in the fallopian tube before she grows big enough to cause the tube to rupture and kill both her and her carrier. Is it legitimate to use “methotrexate” to kill this child?
Answer — Yes.
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May 4, 2010 at 6:26 pm
John Dunkle,
You never answer questions directly, so it was posed in a form that was trying to make it simple and unambiguous.
And still you did not answer the question, but came back with insult. And a little lecture, we know you hate that lecture peice.
It dealt with you voting away her right to make that choice. Yet, tell me if I am wrong you are one that stand with a sign in her face lecturing to her, as you do not know why a person enters an office.
It appears from your answer, that “legitimate” means it is OK? and you would not take that away from her by legislation?
Is that accurate in summation?
You would not vote to legislate away a woman’s right to choose in that circumstance . . .
Yes you would or No you would not vote away her choice?
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May 4, 2010 at 7:39 pm
I would not vote to force a woman to die! If the growing baby will kill her, she has always had the right to save her own life (although I have heard of some women choosing to die rather than have the baby die).
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May 5, 2010 at 5:48 am
Right on, John! Truly, no Catholic, you!! That church has named the Patron Saint of Aborticentrics, Gianna Baretta Molla, whose opposition to abortion was so great that she chose to die, much to the considerable disadvantage of her middle child, Mariolina. You can read about it by linking here:
http://web.mac.com/charlesgregory/ABORTICENTRISM/Mariolina.html
Great guy, JPII. Not saying I’m bitter, but he was succeeded by a Hitlerjugend. . . I’m waiting for the first female Pope.
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May 5, 2010 at 7:25 am
you see what i mean? who the f….k knows that cg is talking about? wow, you re so intelligent, huh? Do you live by yourself? If you were ever married, when did your wife leave you? do you have kids and are they as f….d up as you?
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May 5, 2010 at 10:55 am
Hey, Tina, you didn’t check out the site. Try to.
I was a single parent for the last 14 years of my son’s childhood. No live-ins, poverty level for too many years of it (but it got him into college cheaply–$69 the first year!). So I put a lot more effort into rescuing him than the average so-called “pro-lifer” does for any “unborn human” they want “rescued.”
I don’t mind ad hominem attacks, but do try to get some reality-based data into them.
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May 5, 2010 at 11:42 am
I get it. You’re white trash, right?
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May 5, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Dang it, Tina! I found that comment so HURTFUL I dropped my roadkill sandwich! You bin talkin ta mah common-law wife? The little (rhymes with weeitch).
Okay, so do you want to actually engage in a dialogue, or do you simply want to continue flaming?
My question to you is: Knowing what you do of me, would you let me take care of your household pet?
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May 6, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Who is this Tina? Abortion comments?
Tina, Please look at the site, you make no sense. They will kick you off if you continue worthless profane non productive abortion discussion. If you really want to make a difference I suggest your approach will utterly fail. Think about it. You can contribute if you truly have something to say about abortion.
This site is different, people discourse about abortion in a cordial fashion, as best possible given the contentious nature of the topic of abortion.
I have seen common ground on the rare occasion a pro lifer will answer a question. That is a little progress.
Above is a person named John Dunkle. From reading his initial comments he seemed an absolute extremist pro life anti abortion person -Absolute.
However, John please correct if misconstrued,
In his abortion post 111
He reveals that he is not in the 100% absolute extreme as he would allow a women to choose to abort her tubal pregnancy. he is not the 100% extremist since he allows this abortion. He is a sliver less than 100% extreme abortion fringe.
John, thank you for your candidness on that point.
I believe in previous posts you say abortion is murder.
In your 111 post, is that abortion murder?
I would like to be educated to your belief construct.
Thank you for your discussion.
K
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May 6, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Best abortion blog on web.
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May 7, 2010 at 4:22 am
You’re right, Kelsi. Now, as for my being an extremist, not so. I am the center, where, earlier, Pat said the truth lies. I think you may allow someone else who’s threatening you to die even if he doesn’t intend to kill you. For example, you may step aside and let someone falling from a height hit the pavement even though your cushioning body might save his life. That would not be murder.
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May 7, 2010 at 7:10 am
This is a good Abortion blog.
This abortion discussion agreed is hard to understand, especially all these double negatives, truth lies,
Metaphors fail compared to the real example in understanding, especially Abortion. There is no accidental fall from a window, and this discussion does not seem to mean anything like cushioning someone’s fall. Speaking to the actual example lends to understanding your real meaning. You seem so evasive in your answers.
John, is murder being committed on the child as you say in previous comments?
As the child is directly attacked by the purposeful use of methotrexate?
Is someone committing murder in your view? If so, who?
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May 7, 2010 at 8:13 am
i’v just found this list and need asisstance. i am 7 weeks prengnt by boyfrend who is now gone. i have 3 children, and dont want more. how do i know what doctor to go to?
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