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June 15, 2010 at 7:54 am
CG,
you make a lot of sense.
But it is interesting to reveal the lack of knowledge or thought behind the prolife brain.
It supports your positions I believe.
Dunkle might call a fused phosolipid bilayer a baby, it may make it so in his brain, but science does exist, it works (I don’t want to get into the whole what is reality missive), and that empty sac is not a baby.
I’d have to pull out some old texts on information theory to refute some points but it does not matter as the end result is that it sounds you are a clear thinker, and support the woman’s choice.
I could refer you to a lot of books, but one can only read so many, if I have 1,000 books left in my life to read I am very careful which one’s I read.
I cannot help but mention, and it is not in disagreement with your other points attached to it.
Sadly, the GAL’s I have seen are often Family Lawyers, that harm children daily, as they break the ethical codes as a matter of daily routine in their family law practices.
Other GAL’s I cannot make an opinion.
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June 15, 2010 at 7:58 am
Quixotic?
I have read Cervantes in his original Spanish. No it is not Quixotic.
If anyone else has that degree of mastery of translation I would be happy to argue that silly point.
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June 15, 2010 at 8:00 am
All you prove here, Elena, is that one can be for “women’s choice” and not be a clear thinker.
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June 17, 2010 at 8:43 am
CG
seriously and sincerely, you seem to have solid thinking.
I would sincerely like to know about the Attorney GALs that are so overpaid (of coarse they have some freetime) paid attorney’s that practice family law unethically, increasing acrimony, lengthening litigation, and harm children by definition in most states Bar Guidlines and Professional codes of conduct.
I have sat in public coartrooms and saw it with my own eyes.
Lawyers do GAL work as it looks good on their resume.
They do not follow:
Boundries of Advocacy,
Ethics of Family Law,
The noble profession of the lawyer that is NOT
The Overzealous Advocate of their client that
Protects the child innocent,
and never should
Abrogate Their Proprietary Knowledge of the Law to the whim of their client.
Perhaps their is a GuardioAtLightocentrism to be constructed.
Add the poorest of peer review in law, a bad combo.
They harm more children daily than just about any group I can think of.
Would love your thoughts on this, although way of topic for this blog!
Regards
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June 15, 2010 at 8:03 am
John,
Is a
1) Molar Pregnancy a Baby?
2) Is a Partial Molar Pregnancy a Baby?
3) Is Choriocarcinoma a baby?
I am really trying to understand your thoughts, so I can perhaps help you understand some dilemmas, or you may help me, but the granularities do help.
If you do not know what they are then you must learn if you are going to yell and scream at women aborting those pregnancies.
Thanks,
Elena
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June 15, 2010 at 8:08 am
John,
just noticed your comment #3 above, please explain.
Again, you are incomprehensible.
And please answer questions in #4.
I appreciate your efforts to be on the site however much your discussions fail and you support the pro choice movement by revealing the lack of knowledge anti abortion people have.
Thanks,
Elena
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June 15, 2010 at 10:54 am
Elana, don’t pepper me with questions (5). Select your best; omit the fluff.
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June 15, 2010 at 11:26 am
John,
The three questions dove tail together, that’s why I put them together for you.
Answer #2 then only.
– Is a partial molar pregnancy a baby? Can it be aborted?
Come on educate us.
You are smart, you have been doing this for years.
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June 15, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Can’t just ask one question at a time, can you. Got to fluff it up too.
This situation, “partial molar pregnancy,” is similar to an ectopic pregnancy. Unless the pathologically damages organ is removed in one case or the cancerous growth in the other, not only will the baby die but the pregnant woman will die also. So they must be removed. But this is a very different situation from the search and destroy mission of your average abortion.
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June 15, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Dunkle, (Is that really your name?)
Skip to very below,
if you cannot handle it, do not read this part, no fluff, stop the excuses (being uneducated is not an excuse to say something is fluffed up. You are a sad case for a person that seems to pride themselves in opinion.
I doubt your brain can handle the questions, since you did not even answer the question again.
Partial Molar pregnancy is nothing like an ectopic. Ridiculous analogy. Educate yourself.
Do not lift up your low threshold of defensive coping, no one cares. Either have discourse or you are a waste of everyone’s time, and a misogynist probably guilty of crimes of violence (violence can come in the flavor of harassment and stalking) as a guess.
Do a little more reading.
These are the same question to tie things together, your belief system holds no integrity of thought.
Please educate us, your wit, erudition is so outstanding it is laughable. You are failing miserably.
I get belly laughs at your answers they are so uneducated they are actually amusing, yet stuck to so much Dogma, all forgivable, right, Catholic? But you have to confess first.
If you do not understand the topics, do not opine, and do not scream at women getting these items and thousands of others taken care of, and do not vote to limit access to abortion for these procedures. Your vote won’t count anyway you are so on the fringe.
Do you agree? I would not tell someone how to build a bridge, I have no idea, I am not an expert. After much reading I still won’t know. Lot of math, physics and material science, I am certainly not going to scream and yell at them for taking care of the problem . . .
So again, try it again,
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Partial Molar Pregnancy?
-Is it a baby? Yes or No?
-Is it in the womb? Yes or No?
Ectopics are all over the place, from the cornua, to the abdomen , although usually in the ampullary part of the tube.
The ectopic pregnancy can be killed by a tiny dose (one time) of methotrexate.
Not all women die of ectopics, many do, we could treat them by watching (expectant management, I have actually seen it in catholic hospitals, crazies), some would die, some would survive.
What would be your algorithm of care? Do you know Ultrasound parameters? Hormone levels? Doppler Velocimetry to make an informed decision, my guess is NO.
Your answer makes it clear you do not understand the natural coarse of some partial molar pregnancies. Read up, then opine.
Don’t respond by your default insults, as it just reveals your misogyny within that you have already revealed multiple times. Or do. Just makes you discussion irrelevant, making you irrelevant.
Partial molars can be dealt with often quite similarly with simple suction curettage, not even surgery, so your last statement is just wrong again.
Please to not mistake tone or nuance of this note, it is only has the gesture of trying to understand the illogical anti abortion brain.
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So skip all the above, you cannot handle it.
You did not answer the question, if one cell without diploid chromosomes is a baby, is a partial (diploid, baby like chromosomes) molar pregnancy a baby?
Yes
or
No?
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June 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm
I have to be honest with all of you – i am not even reading this stuff anymore. What is this, a friggin science test? I know, Elena, that you are really trying to pin down John and, as an added benefit, embarass him but aren’t there more interesting things to talk about beside molar pregnancies, whatever the hell they are?
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June 15, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Yeah, Elena, you’re boring me, too, or you would be if I could get past your second paragraph. Let’s do one on one as I am doing with Charles — jdmd@ptd.net.
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June 15, 2010 at 5:45 pm
What is there not to get?
If you are going to make opinion on what abortions are legal or not, do not have to know the facts? Or are facts irrelevant?
Please answer . . .
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June 15, 2010 at 5:45 pm
John,
go ahead,
answer a question, you said you would . . .
or are you unable?
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June 15, 2010 at 6:27 pm
John,
I do not believe you can take reality, so skip to the the question at the bottom, or be the uneducated fool harming women for years that you reveal yourself to be.
Boring as it may be to you,
you have harmed lots of people in your life it seems you cretin.
Your deficits in education ( I do not think you are dumb, but you behave that way) have become readily apparent, educate yourself, you are so uneducated – it is so hard to believe that for so many years you have had dogmatic opinions – Only a fool behaves that way.
You have no wit to defend yourself, or puzzle talk, it does not bode well here. People see through your idiotic diatribes.
They laugh at you.
Facts are facts,
you reveal your defense mechanisms,
be a Man(?) are you?, (presumably your moniker is real),
support your position, or if you are uneducated just admit it, and move on to other endeavors where you can do good.
Like saving children’s lives around the world.
Or is an American child more valuable than a child from another country?
Only a loser would scream and yell at women when they could actually save lives by doing a little leg work. Scream at women when they may be just getting their yearly Pap smear, or other gynecoligcal concerns.
I do not believe you to be clairvoyant ( I do not think you have stated that ability) – From what I have read that is what you do, you harass without knowing what you are harassing people about. You loser.
It is not our fault that you are uneducated.
That is your fault, you have not taken the time to educate your self on dogma. you Catholic?
Is the Pope Infallible?
Do not opine on particular things unless you know your facts. Do you not agree?
The vast majority of society supports this notion, again if you do not you are on the far fringe, a danger to society, and on the fringe you will always fail, as you do every single day, here, you are a laughing stock. Look at the votes against you. You are a loser. Nothing to grab on to as you do nto have facts or knowledge behind you.
That CG guy was right, as far as I can understand him.
So answer a question, or do not try to harm women, or opine dogmatically, that only makes you a danger to society.
From reading you are already are. I am surprised no one has locked you up already, you freak.
So be true to your statement , answer a question,
So skip all the above, if you cannot handle it.
For those of you that do not understand do not make opinions on these topics, that is intolerable, agree or disagree?
If you do not understand a topic how do make opinion?
Come on. You can generalize, but that does not solve real world problems, live in fantasy, or reality.
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As you did not answer the question before,
if one cell without diploid chromosomes is a baby, is a partial (diploid, baby like chromosomes) molar pregnancy a baby?
Yes
or
No?
Simple answer, go for it, educate us.
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June 15, 2010 at 7:02 pm
I agree with Elena
this Dunkle is a fool.
He cannot defend or answer the simplest of questions.
Pat, don’t you think someone should be able to answer questions if they are going to behave as Dunkles does?
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June 16, 2010 at 5:39 am
Pat, I try to comment but all I get is a blank page. If I don’t fill in “LEAVE A REPLY,” it gets printed but my name becomes “anonymous”!
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June 16, 2010 at 5:39 am
The above is John Dunkle.
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June 16, 2010 at 6:02 am
Test
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June 16, 2010 at 6:03 am
It just worked for me, perhaps try again?
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June 16, 2010 at 8:09 am
Good grief. OK, works.
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