State Mandated Abortion Ultrasound
If the barrage of fundraising letters I am getting is any indication, there are a number of serious issues facing the pro-choice movement these days. Battles are raging in just about every state legislature and every solicitation for money (do they ever write to us to just tell us how things are going?) has a common theme, which is access to abortion services are being restricted.
Whether or not requiring a woman to get an ultrasound before an abortion restricts her access to abortion is a question that I cannot answer at this time. We’ll just have to wait and see. But it is no secret that the number of abortion providers/abortion clinics has decreased over the years. Of course, part of the reason why there are fewer abortion clinics is that the number of abortions has declined and an abortion clinic, like any other business, has to have a certain number of patients to pay the rent, buy supplies, pay staff, etc. If the number of people using the facility decreases, that facility may be forced to close. Indeed, in the ideal world, there would be no abortion facilities, right?
State Mandated Abortion Ultrasound
One thing that has always intrigued me when we talk about access to abortion is how our pro-choice friends bemoan the fact that fewer hospitals are performing abortions. Well, I gotta tell you that if I were counseling a woman right now, I would tell her stay as far away as possible from any hospital if she was looking for an abortion. Let me explain.
Abortion is a specialized form of medicine. It’s not like going to your local orthopedic surgeon to get a lipoma removed. In that case, you have your quick first meeting, the doc tells you it should be removed, you make your co-pay and you schedule the outpatient surgery. Two weeks later, the lipoma is gone. Wham bam, thank you ma’am.
GOP war on Birth Control
Even though the surgery is just as simple as having a lipoma removed, a woman seeking an abortion has a lot more to deal with – as do the staff at the abortion clinic. With variations on the theme, the women receive counseling about the abortion procedure, possible post abortion reactions and they may even delve into other more personal issues if the woman is so inclined. Then they discuss forms of birth control that the woman might use to prevent her from coming back. Of course, the patient might also have to deal with the possibility of anti-abortion picketers outside the facility and the stress that that might add to an already stressful situation. If a woman has received the abortion pill, the staff is on call for the woman through that multi-day process.
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So, abortion clinic staff and their doctors are used to dealing with women not just from the physical side but the emotional side. There is even an organization – the National Abortion Federation – that hosts annual meetings where abortion doctors discuss the provision of abortion of abortion services and how to make the experience a more comfortable one for the woman.
Now, think about your last visit to a hospital. Not very warm and fuzzy, wouldn’t you say?
And if you went in there for an abortion – assuming you found a hospital that does them – you would not be entering a comforting environment. You surely would not receive any counseling about the procedure, no discussions about how to avoid an abortion in the future, no advice on birth control. Even worse, you might be working with some staff people who are actually anti-abortion. Yes, there are conscience clauses out there, but you always run the risk of getting a nurse who is pro-life, so you know they are not going to sit there and hold your hand during the procedure. The only advantage to going to a hospital might be that there would be no protestors and you’d be in a big waiting room with others and no one would know why you are there.
But I would prefer to go to a place where there are experienced staff people who have dealt with the abortion issue from all angles – the medial and the emotional – than going into a sterile hospital where you’re basically on your own. .
The average price for an abortion at an abortion clinic is about $350. Believe me, it’s worth it.
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April 1, 2012 at 1:28 pm
China’s “barefoot doctors” provide preventive care services to hundreds of millions of rural inhabitants. They get paid $35 a month, and there are hundreds of thousands of them.
There’s no reason why the US shouldn’t have a similar grassroots movement to provide abortion services. The broader the base involved, the harder for a shari’a president or Congress to undo it– look at Prohibition.
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April 3, 2012 at 7:49 am
The problem, Charles, is that most doctors would not provide abortion services. They are either scared and/or bothered by the stigma. We can only hope that Medical Students for Choice is doing some aggressive recruiting….
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April 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm
The present legislative war on women’s reproductive choices is obviously going to play a part in the upcoming elections to the disadvantage of the GOP among women voters – especially the attacks on simple methods of birth control.
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April 2, 2012 at 6:53 pm
The GOP has been misbehaving so poorly it will be impossible for any reasonable woman to vote for them. They would be essentially voting for a party that has as a main agenda to take away their own civil rights.
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April 3, 2012 at 7:50 am
You got that right, Patty. Or at least I hope so. Women, particularly pro choice women, need to get organized, especially in those swing states like Virginia, Florida, Ohio. Even though the economy is headed in the right direction, this is still going to be a tight race because the other side is so angry with Obama.
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April 2, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Look at that ultrasound picture.
What use is it?
Who would change their mind when they need an abortion because they saw that.
What a waste of healthcare dollars and the shaming of women.
The GOP legislators should be voted out of office for their massive incompetance!
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April 3, 2012 at 7:52 am
You’re right, Karen. These anti-abortion types think women are stupid, that they dont know what is going on inside of their body. Indeed, I will bet you anything that many women, after seeing the ultrasound, might actually feel relieved that the fetus is not as big as they thought it might be!
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April 3, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Karen, it’s true that the the older black/white ultrasounds (still used by docs because they know how to read them) are not so useful as the newer 3D ultrasounds. Perhaps you (and Pat) think that women don’t change their minds???
When you see the outline of the body of the baby in the womb – head, torso, arms, legs – some women realize that it just isn’t a “blob of tissue” as they have been told; that it’s a real, living human being with a beating heart and measurable brain waves. They change their minds when they realize they are “terminating” a life. Some other women, perhaps those under the stress of a boyfriend threatening to leave them if they don’t get “rid of that thing”, choose to be blind to what they see.
With the newer 3D ultrasounds, it’s pretty hard to ignore the realities, which is why Planned Parenthood fights all legislation that attempts to require an ultrasound prior to their “counseling”.
How do I know? My wife worked in a crisis pregnancy center and counseled women both before and after abortions. Trust me, the horror stories she told me that women suffer for YEARS after an abortion ain’t pretty. It’s a real form of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder for which treatment is difficult. That’s why you tend to see women who have had abortions becoming activists for abortion rights. I personally believe (as does my wife) that it’s a way of coping with the PTSD grief and guilt. If I can justify to myself that what I did is right (I do this by convincing as many others as possible to do what I did), then I start to feel better. BTW, according to my wife and other CPC counselors statistical experience, over 80% of the boyfriends who promised to stay with their pregnant girlfriends if ONLY they would get “rid of that thing”, leave them within 3 months anyway. Why? You figure out that one – pretty obvious.
For the polished write-up within the PP’s website as to why to have an abortion at an abortion facility (rather than a hospital), the reality is that docs in real hospitals don’t want to contradict their Hypocratic Oath . . . at least such a way that others know about it. Some of the docs that formerly performed abortions in hospitals now do them in stand-alone abortion facilities so that they can slip in and slip out without being known. That’ why they get pretty upset when what they do becomes known to their neighbors and friends – they are ashamed of what they do, just as a women who’s had an abortion and terminated the life of another is ashamed of the decision she made.
So, then, WHY, WHY, WHY doesn’t Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers want women to have an ultrasound prior to an abortion? Let’s see . . . an abortion IS a surgical procedure, right??? Can you name ANY surgical procedures that are performed by doctors in hospitals or out-patient surgical facilities that are performed without some diagnostic imaging performed either prior to or (in rare cases) during the procedure???
Think about, say, a gall bladder removal. Would it EVER be performed without an ultrasound and perhaps an MRI? NO.
What about orthopedic surgery? Ever performed without an x-ray? NO.
How about a tumor (anywhere)? Ever done without some kind of imaging? NO
Now it’s true that the imaging is being done to help both the doctor and the patient make the best decision regarding surgery (and maybe the insurance company, too) BUT, is it so outlandish to require that before terminating the life of the defenseless, we require that the patient (mother in the case) see what she is going to “terminate”??? I don’t think that’s unreasonable and it surely isn’t an invasion of privacy any more than her disrobing for the procedure and having the abortion doctor going up her vagina to suck the brains out of the baby.
Finally, with all the hoopla about the supposed (non-abortion) services Planned Parenthood is providing to help provide healthcare for women, let me ask you this? If Adolph Hitler (a known eugenicist) were alive today and opened up an health clinic, would YOU go to him to get ANY healthcare? Let us NEVER forget that Planned Parenthood was started by an avowed racist and eugenicist – Margaret Sanger – who openly admitted (check her real publications) to wanting to create a superior race. She proposed to do so b7 eliminating those “inferior species” – citing blacks, jews, etc. True she did this in 1926 when racism was alive and well. But she never wavered from those views . . . . in 1936, 46, 56, and until her death in 1966 (after passage of the Civil Rights Act). Change the name to sound pretty and, Voila, you’ve got “Planned Parenthood”. Oh, what a lovely ring to it. Sounds so sweet for the nation’s LARGEST SINGLE ABORTION PROVIDER.
Read this quickly, cuz I’m sure it won’t last long on PP’s website. While they purport to want rights (like women’s reproductive rights via “Choice”, free speech, etc.,) they really don’t want “Choice” if that choice is to save a baby. They want “free speech” so long as it isn’t “opposing speech” – then it’s “hate speech”. I don’t think I’ve said anything at all hateful here – I’m trying to expose some either inaccurate or false statements but darkness doesn’t usually like to have light shining on it.
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April 4, 2012 at 5:34 am
I’ll expose your inaccuracies about PTSD and abortion. It’s only the likes of folks like you who perpetuate anecdotes from non-medical, non-scientific information.
Using Hitler as a comparison to abortion is offensive to Jews and totally misconstrues his state-sponsored program of elimination.
Most importantly, you choose to ignore the realities of women’s lives when they are faced with an unwanted pregnancy. They don’t want the pregnancy. Period. Whether they see the fetus on the ultrasound or are forced by misgynistic, patriarchal laws to listen to the heartbeat, they Do Not Want the pregnancy. And that’s OK. It’s their decision.
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April 4, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Odegram lives in a world that does not know the realities of science. It is all Magic to people with the mentality of Odegram.
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April 4, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Geez, i dont even know where to begin to respond to this person. Obviously, he/she has bought the anti-abortion line hook, line and sinker.
I’m glad his wife (oh, I guess that means he is a guy) worked at a cpc. I assume it was not the kind of cpc that lured women in under false pretenses. And, yes, some women looked at the ultrasound and were surprised. On the other hand, I worked with abortion clinics for years and can tell you that other women who saw the ultrasound were often relieved that the fetus was not as big as some of those ugly posters made it look out to be.
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April 4, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Dr. Odegram,
In the ultrasound picture presented here and commented on . . . what exactly would a 3-d ultrasound reveal?
You wrote a long boring missive.
Is Abortion ever OK in your opinion?
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April 4, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Is he a doctor? I doubt it. And, the pattern is folks write something long like this then disappear. Then he’ll run back to his wife and pound his chest and tell her that he really told us off! Then they’ll have sex without birth control…
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April 4, 2012 at 4:21 pm
What do you think of the massive dissemination of misinformation from CPC Mills across the country?
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April 5, 2012 at 11:19 am
Odegram disapearred – Typical.
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April 15, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Your “facts” are not accurate. You are spreading the far religious rights misinformation … the majority of women suffer one feeling after an abortion: RELIEF and gratitude!
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April 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm
So, Odegram, tell me how you feel about people who insist that someone else have a child and who thereafter have little or nothing to do with its protection and nurture. You certainly are committed to the protection of pregnancy, but have said nothing about how that commitment ought to be extended to the actual child.
I suppose you haven’t heard about aborticentrism.
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April 4, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Oh, Charles, I’m sure he and his wife have adopted several kids by now, work at the homeless shelter, contribute to the March of Dimes, etc, right?
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April 4, 2012 at 1:35 am
You murderers! You will all fry in hell one day. You have no right to take an innocent life.
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April 4, 2012 at 5:16 am
So, Jennifer, it’s all right for you to insist that Andrea Yates have five children– just like her husband, her pastor and her congregation did– and then ignore the worsening conditions to the point where she Gover Norquists all of them while in the grip of a psychosis?
It sounds to me like the reason you’re against abortion is that it makes you feel really warm and comfy believing that all children grow up loved and nurtured. You’re asking children to pay a pretty high price to sustain your self-centeredness. You might want to check out the difference between the Abortion Store and the Baby Store at the aborticentrism website.
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April 4, 2012 at 5:35 am
Sorry but the value of the woman far outweighs the value of some 14 week fetus.
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April 6, 2012 at 10:52 am
not to mention an 8 week fetus….
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April 4, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Dr. Jennifer,
You must have your doctorate in Theology – you seem to know the exact word of the almighty.
Is Abortion ever OK in your opinion?
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April 4, 2012 at 2:42 pm
How much you wanna bet that Jennifer has had an abortion? (and that she will never respond?)
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April 4, 2012 at 4:24 pm
I’ll wager that she is the typical pro lifer that doesn’t know anything, and will present any support for her beliefs . . .
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April 5, 2012 at 11:21 am
Jennifer, don’t you care to support your position?
Everyone has proved you wrong here.
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April 4, 2012 at 12:20 pm
why we have to abortions?
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April 4, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Because women need them and desire them for their Inalienable Rights as Autonomous human beings.
Pretty darn simple.
Capiche?
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April 6, 2012 at 10:53 am
A million women a year have abortions, and there are a million reasons…
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April 10, 2012 at 5:53 pm
That was really well stated!
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April 4, 2012 at 1:14 pm
It is funny, why they are doing such a big deal about a woman using birth control…
They should see that as a solution to this never ending problem about pro-choice and pro-life, the way i see, if birth control is given to women or at least less expensive and EDUCATE this women and teens on the use of it, i want to believe that abortion will decrease…
Yeah, i know it sounds naive, but i also think that this WAR in between parts are all about what???
MONEY
That is why they want to debate on the birth control and control things their way… BIG BS
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April 4, 2012 at 2:43 pm
They hate women, Sonia, and want to control them. That is what this is all about…
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April 5, 2012 at 10:22 am
Tehy hate women but they don’t live without them right! that is why there is so many accusation of “sexual harassment” and also they were not born out of nothing, they NEEDED a woman to give birth to them, otherwise they would be NOTHING… Also, unfortunately now in days i see lots of women not showing respect for themselves as well… that way it gets hard to request being respected right!
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April 6, 2012 at 10:54 am
you are right that there are lots of women who do not respect themselves, so that makes it easier for these controlling me to weild their power over them.
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April 4, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Well I think everyone is entitled to their opinion…..nobody should insult the other because they are pro-life or pro-choice. It’s your business if you support or if you don’t , i see quite alot of insults going to the pro life comments here…not really called for just as their harsh comments to pro choice people aren’t necessary either.
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April 4, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Nicky, candidly, with all due respect, if someone is trying to forcibly assert rights (like state mandated rape) over my bodily functions that is an utterly extreme assault on my liberty.
If I use harsh words against there unkindly offense it pales in comparison to what they are trying to do to me.
Taking away My Civil liberties Is Not OK, and I do not take kindly to it.
If someone finds my words offensive as they attack my body, they are going to be offended even more, and they should reasonably expect no less from me.
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April 6, 2012 at 10:59 am
but, Karen, those who are on the other side of your position generally mean well, even though you (and I) may think that their attempts are mean spirited. They just darned believe that the fetus is worth protecting, no matter what. I dont recall you using offensive language but no matter what the issue, I really dont think it helps your case if you use offensive language.
The problem in this country is that we dont talk to each other. We just yell and scream at each other and absolutely nothing gets done.
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April 6, 2012 at 10:56 am
Nicky is right. There is no reason to be mean, people have different opinions and they should be respected. We are looking for an educated, fact-based debate on this blog, one that hopefullly enlighten others. Indeed, when I see some name calling, I totally ignore the post…
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April 4, 2012 at 5:03 pm
The thing is, an abortion that is performed by a medical expert is better than a woman doing it herself. The issue is the child, for whatever reason, is unwanted by the carrier (woman), which means ultimately, she has the choice and nobody else. so it can either be done safely in a medical facility or in a kitchen or basement
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April 4, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Where is the Child in an Abortion? A “Child” is a fairly well defined term.
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April 5, 2012 at 10:16 am
Besides the wrong use of the word “child” i love this comment. I think that is exactly what the whole abortion subject represents and all that should be taken under consideration.
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April 6, 2012 at 11:03 am
“child,” “baby”, “fetus”…..the word does not matter!! women seeking an abortion generally call the abortion clinic saying “I can’t have this child.” The point is that no matter what you call the friggin thing, the woman will still have an abortion. If the pro-choice and pro-life movement today reached an historic agreement that said “abortion is killing a baby,” the number of abortions would not decrease.
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April 6, 2012 at 11:01 am
that’s exactly the point, anonymous: women’s health. The woman is here on earth, is part of our society and, I’m sorry, but if she does not want to let that eight week fetus continue to grow, thus changing her life, then she can have an abortion. She’ll have it anyway – whether it’s legal or not.
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April 5, 2012 at 1:53 am
for me abortions performed for medical reasons only. abortion as well as kill, not that I approved the one woman gave birth to 5 children, but it’s better if we control the pregnancy through contraception. which of course is not only women in the given knowledge about contraception, but men also need to know .. because of the pregnancy occurred when men and women relate..
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April 5, 2012 at 11:17 am
What about infertility? The frozen Embryos? Is it OK to let them die?
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April 5, 2012 at 11:18 am
What is a medical reason?
Maternal, Fetal, or Both in your opinion?
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April 6, 2012 at 11:05 am
You are absolutely right, Laurentia, that contraception is the best way to stop abortions…but as we are seeing in the presidential race, there are people in this country who dont even support contraception!!
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April 5, 2012 at 11:27 am
if abortion is so wrong, what happen to the embryos that were fertiliczed but never used? do they have to become a child anyways?
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April 10, 2012 at 3:59 pm
According to Catholic doctrine, they die and go to Limbo, where they wait until Judgment Day to get into Heaven.
People who have abortions are actually helping the “unborn innocent angel” escape going to Hell! But you’ll never hear a priest admit that….
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April 5, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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April 6, 2012 at 11:06 am
I totally agree with Anonymous @13. An excellent point, made with lots of research and thought. I hope you contribute more gems…
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April 10, 2012 at 12:38 pm
I’m not in contratiction with those waiting to suicide, and you “shouldn’t be in contraction with a father wanting to kill his child” (not your business), but killing his/her couple is a problem for society, well i’m oposed my wife’s father/mother killing the mother of my 4 children.
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April 10, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Great, Falex! I hope your wife’s relationship with your in-laws improves. And how many more children do you plan to have? Mine had eleven; I’m sure you can top that easily.
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April 14, 2012 at 8:59 pm
the response is the famous Falex silence. . .
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April 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm
I am totally against abortion! I got pregnant under unusual conditions,had my baby, gave her up for adoption. 37 yrs later we are having a wonderful relationship. i would choose adoption over abortion any day. Better yet why not prevent than cure? my two pregnancy i was faced with one of two choice, today i have no reason to be sorry i had my two girls, i am a proud grandmother of three. Had i aborted them i would be one unhappy woman and that is a fact. Women who have abortions are often laden with the guilt for life, i have friends who did it and even though they have other children they are haunted by the decision of the past.
ellis
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April 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Ms. Ellis~~
I am happy that you were not compelled against your will to have an abortion.
Is there anything you have done for the children of women who were compelled not to have an abortion?
And since you “would choose adoption over abortion any day,” just how many have you adopted?
And what do you do to prevent abortion so that you can adopt more children?
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April 10, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Carmen . . . You are Totally against abortion?
You wouldn’t allow a woman with a Cornual pregnancy to have an abortion?
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April 14, 2012 at 8:58 pm
The response is the famous Carmen Ellis silence. . .
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April 14, 2012 at 7:11 pm
you are killing the baby!
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April 14, 2012 at 8:57 pm
If it’s a baby, why aren’t you taking care of it?
Although you can’t directly take care of it, short of a surrogate pregnancy, you could be supporting the pregnant woman financially and medically during her term– to the tune of about $25,000 if she’s healthy, more if she’s not. And you could allay her fears about not being able to take care of a real child by posting $260,000 to handle all of the childrearing expenses until age 18, especially if she’s a single mom working for minimum wage.
But you’re not.
You’re just wailing that a fetus is a baby.
A baby you don’t and won’t care for.
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April 17, 2012 at 8:54 am
My God says: “And kill not your children for fear of being poor. We will give good luck to them and thee. “(Qur’an – Al-Isra ‘: 31)
Even after the baby is born and he was not getting enough food and die, then know that God is not our business affairs .. And it is not death that comes in addition to the provision had been paid back to a servant .. and the deaths of children of poor parents who became a very valuable lesson, lash them rich people so they understand that they have an obligation to pay zakat, lots of charity to the needy, orphans as well as love ..
abortion in islam is haram. unless there are specific conditions such as if the presence of content that endangers the safety of the mother .. if only because of fear of not being able to provide a living then it is prohibited .. because the provision was a matter for God.
sorry my english is not good ^.^
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April 18, 2012 at 5:26 am
So, how many babies are you raising, Ortega, or are you just happy to see that women are having babies that you don’t have to care for?
Like Yahweh, Allah must have a pretty unusual sense of humor to insist that women all across the Muslim world have babies that are going to suffer long and die slowly.
Of course, I suppose that it’s too much to ask that if either of them wants babies born, then either of them should care for them.
Unlike them, I believe that if I want a baby to come into the world, then it’s my responsibility to care for that child. So, how many babies are yoiu raisiing, Ortega, or are you just happy to see that women are having babies that you don’t have to care for?
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April 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Would you say from the left to suffer and die slowly then hasten death or cancel any course of his life without giving him a chance to fight for life at all? Is that the solution?
cancel the baby’s life is that what the social-minded human being? or leave the baby with her life, then let the rich touched his heart to help the poor?
or because most people in this world have no one cares more for others, so you take the abortion?
I helped teach at the orphanage, now there are 40 orphans and the poor start primary school, through high school .. 12 years old orphanage was established with the help of generous .. in this small town started a lot of rich people began to touch her heart .. they give love to the orphanage children .. and orphanage children here have a great future .. That’s why I refusing abortion .. they still have a chance, if the man still referred to as social beings ..
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April 20, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Teaching at an orphanage is not as intense a caring for human life as adoting one of those children is, Ortega. It diminishes your credibility as a self-proclaimed “pro-lifer” when you tell others, “Because I teach at an orphanage, you have to be a parent,” rather than saying, “I have been adopting a child a year for the last fifteen years. If I can do that, you could more seriously consider following my example”
Notice the difference in credibilty?
So, while the notion of abortion makes you feel nauseated, that’s no reason to insist that the next child be born to grow up like Ted Bundy because you won’t take care of it. If all the so-called “pro-lifers” were more concerned about human life and not solely about abortion, you’d be out of a job at that orphanage.
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April 20, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I’m not working there .. I provide education to them without pay .. I bring students from various faculties to advance the education of orphans, it’s just that while this reply I can do as a college student .. I think it is more humane than killing them before they were born ..
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April 21, 2012 at 4:47 am
As I said, Ortega, you have this image of fetuses being fully developed humans, with thought processes, self-awareness, language skills, personalities and all the other accoutrements identified with real human beings– and all of this being brought to a screeching, brutal halt through abortion.
You’d rather not have abortions happen, period. But not because you want to adopt and care for those forty orphans. You want abortions to be banned because they violate your fantasy of how a fetus being just like an orphan.
Orphans to you are cute, responsive to your ministrations, grateful for your attention– and you think of them being butchered. Orphans are not fetuses, though. Orphans still exist after you pack it up and go home for the day. Are they safe after you leave? Not necessarily.
(We had fifty orphans sue the Sisters of St. Joseph a couple of decades ago for priestly behavior inflicted on them big time– and the orphans won in the usual non-disclosure settlement. God has a sense of humor: The vacated building was used as the launch site for the weekly demonstrations of the so-called “pro-lifers” against the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street.)
If you are going to be against abortion without committing yourself to the lifelong nurture of the “precious unborn pre-human angel,” then you are against abortion for selfish reasons– you want someone to bring a child (whom you do not, will not and most likely cannot care for) simply to make you feel good. That’s aborticentrism.
If you want to join RESPONSIBLE Right to Life, then you will raise to adulthood every “unborn human” you want to “rescue.” You want to sign up?
I didn’t think so.
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April 22, 2012 at 12:58 am
I selfish? selfish for whom? what is beyond your selfishness of the babies you kill? come on .. although not perfect, but they are alive! they are a child your birth!
lucky your family is not including the poor .. if not then you will never be born on earth as a parent you break your neck with the scissors while you are still in the womb ..
exactly the problem is only one: “you are too scared poor and you do not want to be bothered with the cost of your child’s life” that makes me sick .. even the wild animals would die for her .. but not with human beings like you ..
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April 22, 2012 at 5:03 am
Ortega, whileI admire your passion about abortion, one thing puzzles me: you know perfectly well those children don’t have to live in an orphanage. You could adopt them. You could drop out of college, find a house, and raise just one, right now. But you don’t. You limit yourself to expressing moral judgment and outrage over abortion.
This indicates to me that you clearly don’t care for real life as much as you fear abortion; if you cared for it as much as you care about abortion, you would put aside all thought of continuing your education and you would move heaven and earth to care for each fetus you want rescued, but you limit the focus of your attention to abortion rather than the care for human life.
The graphic images you use tell me that what really motivates you is the fear of abortion, not the nurture of human life. As I’ve said, that’s aborticentrism.
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April 22, 2012 at 10:07 am
Dropped out of college? are you kidding me? I am 22 years old … I do according to my ability .. and everyone did according to his ability … answer my question .. What am I doing it wrong? since yesterday you always say the adoption of adoption and adoption to me .. but once a person adopts a child you still say “how much longer you are able to adopt?”
If I and they have more ability we would do more than that .. please pray for me and those who still have a conscience to be a millionaire .. Then we will all baby care that you think deserve to be killed!
(Google image search on “abortion”) Only the mentally ill man who was sad to see the fact the murder of the babies.. and do you kill a baby that is the only way to preserve human life .. in other words: “TO MAINTAIN ALIGNMENT HUMAN LIFE then kill the babies in which if will be a burden .. kill disabled babies .. kill the poor baby ..”
Trust me .. for the sake of Alloh that my life was in his hand, abortion is not a solution for the reasons you mentioned.
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April 22, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Ortega, when a parent decides to give up college to stay home and take care of his/her baby, it is because the parent loves the child more than he or she loves being educated more. So, you have shown me which you love more when you decide to stay in college rather than drop out and adopt.
I would pray for you to become a millionaire, except that one woman I know is raising a full dozen adopted or foster children– and she’s doing it largely on various welfare grants. So I see no reason why you shouldn’t be just like her– or do you also value being rich over caring for a real human life?
Your problem is that you are so young you don’t have enough experience to understand what it takes to make a life human. Once you realize the need to care for a life to make it human, you will view abortion differently. Too many “rescued” fetuses face the prospect of a far slower and far more painful death for lack of care after they become real children.
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April 19, 2012 at 10:25 am
you should not be going having sex iresponsably for later ask an abortion. period.
sex is a matter of two responsable adults.
world has turn crazy.
thank God there are only a few o you pro abortion.
Doctors should be pro life allways.
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April 22, 2012 at 5:04 am
So, anonymous, what’s your position on birth control and rape-induced pregnancy?
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April 22, 2012 at 9:06 am
History will never remember the killing of children kindly, no matter what the reasons were at the time. Germans helped the old and infirm die with dignity, well that was the reason then is there any emotion of this now, even though society is now looking at doing the same with them now, any life that can live on its own should not be killed, but then again look here in Canada where we have mid birth abortion at 9 months and a thriving stem cell harvesting industry, on a hundred years my country will be remember as worst than nazis.
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April 22, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Sorry, R Robin, but a fetus is only a child when the host-femal or male- says so. History much better remembers how a society treated its people, as your citation of Nazi Germany illustrates. As for Canada being remembered, you’re way off the mark. Canada will be remembered as having people who lived better, lived longer, and killed one another less than the world’s powerhouse of the time, the United States.
You can fantasize as much as you want about someone else’s fetus being a child, but until you take care of one more child than you want to, in my book you don’t speak with any credibility as one who cares for human life. Your fantasy only serves your needs, not any child’s.
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April 24, 2012 at 9:40 am
It’s true, the Nazis killed all the men are flawed and unproductive as well as those who support abortion, they killed the babies who will be the burden of life.
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April 22, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Surely a defining characteristic of a truly civilised society will be that it protects the most vulnerable members of society which cannot defend them selves. Liberal abortion laws show a total disregard for the sanctity of human life placing the preferences and convenience of adults above the right for the unborn child not to be deliberately destroyed!! If adults chose to engage in sexual activity they should accept that there will be a chance that this will lead to the creation of human life and if they cannot cope with this they should abstain!!
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April 22, 2012 at 1:10 pm
As for life being human, Iain Bainbridge, see my response to R Robin in #18. I trust that you are 100% for contraception. If you aren’t, why not?
The insistence that human life begins at conception is an aborticentric fantasy.
If the pregnant host (usually a woman) does not conduct herself to ensure proper fetal development, the resulting child might be born without a potential to be fully human– its humanity will only be guaranteed either by a government which pours money into decades of medical and caretaker assistance or people who sacrifice their own priorities. If you don’t already do this yourself, you have zip for a dog in this fight.
If after the child is born the parent, society or both ignore its developmental needs (read up on feral children), it is doomed. You can prevent the next baby from becoming another Ted Bundy or Joshua Komisarovsky simply by caring properly for it in a way its parents can’t or won’t. In fact, you can become a member of RESPONSIBLE Right to Life by pledging to raise to adulthood every “unborn innocent” you want “rescued.”
Not going to? I didn’t think so. Not a single self-proclaimed “pro-lifer” ever has, and I can’t figure out why.
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