I think it’s safe to say that the more reactive and aggressive anti abortion activists are informed by some variation of formal religion. Their parochial focus on ‘thou shalt not murder’ ignores a host of other religious tenets including the purpose of religion.
His Holiness The Dalai Lama XIV said “The whole purpose of religion is to facilitate love and compassion, patience, tolerance, humility, and forgiveness.” From my vantage point, there are painfully few instances of love and compassion outside abortion clinics. Let me offer a few examples.
When a 2012 New Year’s day fire gutted a family planning clinic in Pensacola FL, was that an act of love and compassion? When the Planned Parenthood office in Grand Chute, Wisconsin was damaged recently by a small homemade explosive device placed on a building windowsill, was that an act driven by tolerance and humility?
It was difficult to identify love and compassion, patience, tolerance, humility and forgiveness when the Maryland Coalition for Life determined that protesting at a middle
school was the perfect response to a landlord who refused to terminate an abortion clinic’s lease? Anti-abortion activists, trying to shut down an abortion clinic in Maryland, targeted the sixth grade daughter of the man who simply owns the office park where the clinic is located. Where is the love and compassion for children when the protesters stood at the entrance of Robert Frost Middle School with graphic posters of aborted fetuses?
Was it love and compassion, patience, tolerance, humility and forgiveness that motivated Scott Roeder to stalk George Tiller, eventually shooting him vigilante-style in church. Informed by the vitriol of Operation Rescue, Roeder compared the lawlessness in the Bible to Tiller’s lawlessness. In fact, he wrote that Tiller is the concentration camp Mengele of our day and needs to be stopped. Where was the humility in Scott Roeder?
In August 2011, where hundreds of clinic defenders gathered in peaceful support of Dr. LeRoy Carhart and in support of the care he provides to women in need of late abortions. One block away, amidst a small group of anti-choicers, Operation Rescue leader Troy Newman emerged, paraded down the street toward the clinic defenders. One of the defenders, a pregnant 20-something woman, sat on the curb in the heat and humidity. A man darted across the street from her and started taking pictures. He then darted back across the street toward her to take more. Finally, he got down in the middle of the street in front of the pregnant woman, taking pictures of her. Startled at his actions, she asked who are you?
He said, “I’m Troy Newman, bitch.” How can this comment be interpreted as anything other that derision?
What drove an anti abortion protester, who recognized a friend entering an Allentown PA abortion clinic, to later drive to her friend’s place of work to publicly intimidate and harass her?
In all the outer trappings of her espoused Catholicism, rosary beads and membership in St. Joseph the Worker church in Orefield PA, where was this protester’s sense of tolerance, humility and love during the public humiliation?
What kind of love and compassion was evident when the Rev. Flip Benham was stalking a Charlotte, North Carolina abortion doctor and passing out hundreds of “wanted” posters with the physician’s name and photo on it, fliers that implicitly urge violence?
Benham knew that doctors in other places had been killed after similar posters were circulated. So how can this action remotely be considered religious or loving?
Where can you find love and compassion amongst the anti abortion terrorists as they scream at women with their bullhorns and use hateful language that diminishes human dignity? In what ways do they show love and compassion when telling a woman that the devil inside the clinic will drink the blood of her child or that the doctor will turn your child into baby road kill or your child will haunt you at night?
How can anyone claim to love both the woman and the fetus when, in truth, they value a woman’s fetus more than the woman? In the mind of the hubristic anti abortion activist, the fetus is a gift from God that they want to force on a woman, regardless of a woman’s wishes or circumstances. Organizations like Operation Rescue, Operation Save America and the Prolife Action League are singularly focused on ending abortion in America with absolutely no regard for the needs of women. There is little tolerance and certainly no humility within the leadership or their minions.
Every time I hear an anti choicer invoke the name of Jesus, I cringe. There’s nothing Christ-like in that invocation, particularly because it lacks love and because it’s full of rage and contempt for every woman who enters a clinic.
The Dalai Lama XIV said the whole purpose of religion is to facilitate love and compassion, patience, tolerance, humility, and forgiveness. It’s clear to me that many anti abortion terrorists do not operate under loving and compassionate religious principles. They are driven by hate, anger and fear. They act out against strong, moral women who make decisions about when and if to bear children. And it is that female agency and morality that angers and scares the living hell out of these folks, that defies their personal sense of morality, and that drives them to act in heinous, immoral ways.

April 12, 2012 at 6:09 am
Thanks for your comments.
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April 13, 2012 at 11:17 am
These anti abortion protestors are monsters. I have seen them in my town. I am a Christian and i find them to be detestable!
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April 12, 2012 at 6:11 am
Charles wrote (and I inadvertently deleted in my attempts to add pics):
It’s hard to attach the title “Reverend” to a dry drunk, but you pulled it off. Bennham’s never gotten beyond his basic nature. A lot of ministers are horrible role models. In the social work world, there’s an old saw about “cops’ daughters and ministers’ sons” turning out to be the problem young adults. No few of them, like Flip, seek positions of power where they can give their congregations permission to hate, despise and fear. Their congregants are people whose backgrounds incline them to seek authoritarian leaders, people from families with controlling fathers, flamingly neurotic mothers or both. The whole church, like the one Andrea Yates was in, is a basket of crabs from which escape is impossible: If one tries to leave, another pulls it back in.
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April 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I’m incredibly fed up with the antics of anti abortion pro lifers and their nonsense.
This will be very apparent as I work hard to rally the vote unlike I ever have in my 15 years of being of voting age!
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February 9, 2014 at 4:34 pm
Just found out that Jeffrey, my favorite cotrempany author has passed away. I am in shock. His audio books, and books make me feel like I’ve lost a friend I never knew. His beginning of the Magic room now, is so touching as I listen to the audio version. 99 percent of my readings are books before 1923..being introduced to Jeffrey’s writing was such so refreshing because his books I could share with my church friends which is not the case in so many current authors. My hearts go out to your whole family. 10/2012
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April 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm
chuckles has a habit of sharing some pretty insightful things, doesn’t he? 🙂
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April 12, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Absolutely.
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February 8, 2014 at 7:38 am
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April 12, 2012 at 7:27 am
Most the Anti Abortion people I see are just stupid religious people.
They don’t know much about religion.
And they don’t know much about science.
The magnitude of their Dogma is inversely and exponentially proportional to their fund of knowledge.
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April 12, 2012 at 7:33 am
Wow, another great article. Thanks!
The schizoid paradox you mention between a lack of compassion (they claim as their source of inspiration) and the reality of their hateful thoughts and actions is so evident in abortion protestors.
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April 12, 2012 at 7:38 am
The one horrible incident (among many) that I remember is when an anti called Doctor Takey Crist at his home very late at night pretending to be the county’s “coroners office” and they told the Doctor that his son had been killed in a car crash and he needed to come down an identify the body. The doc went down and ultimately reallized it was a hoax. Nice, huh?
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April 12, 2012 at 3:42 pm
i can’t find words to describe how heinous it is to use someone’s child against them.
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April 14, 2012 at 5:47 am
My gosh!! Every time I hear that story it makes me sick!! That story among others is why we set up all the rules that we did with Shelley and T/G the cell phone was in existence…when I got the call that she was in the ER after a terrible accident…(I scrapped myself up off the floor) called her cell and “she answered” the only sweeter sound of her voice was the day she was born!!
Just like in politics…families should NOT be brought into this “mess that the anti”s have made” of a very private issue!!
My “terrorist” use to yell at my daughter every time she saw her something along the line of….” don’t you wonder why your {mother from hell} killed your older brother but let you live?? How does that effect a {at the time} 14y/o feel??
Our “terrorist” use to go after employees when they no longer worked at the clinic..they looked for that one “disgruntled” person!! I know because I had an employee that left on good terms…that was contacted and basically threatened that if she didn’t give her some personal background info they would picket her house and go to her child’s school! She called me ashamed that she buckled and gave her some background info….I am sure it happened with others also!!!
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April 14, 2012 at 8:58 am
Why do all the all the anti abortion terrorists seem to be Christians.
Am I mistaken?
What is in the Christian Brain that makes it so prone to violence, cruelty, lack of compassion, and magical thinking?
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April 14, 2012 at 10:26 am
>>>Why do all the all the anti abortion terrorists seem to be Christians.
Am I mistaken?<<<
evan, to be quite frank, it sure seems that way to me as well.
it also seems that too many of us antis are cavalier about anti-abortion terrorism. in fact, anti leaders will not call it terrorism as it truly is.
usually when speaking about it, they make it a point to point a finger at the choicers. for example, "we denounce the violence against the so and so, just as we denounce violence in the womb."
what is the purpose of pointing out that we are against abortion. we are antis! DUH!
why can't they denounce each act of violence because it is an act of violence?
but i never see atheist antis committing acts of terrorism, do you?
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April 14, 2012 at 11:48 am
I have never heard of an atheist act of terrorism.
In general, secular people tend to do a lot of good volunteer work. They seem to get the compassion side of life, and many other traits that as a society we find to be favorable.
It appears to me from these observations that the standards of “good” behavior are part of Evolutionary biology and the selection of laws through a human driven process that creates the glue to keep society together and thrive.
This is in contrast to a “Gold” standard of “morals” that many of the world’s religions seem to claim exclusive knowledge and derivation.
The problem with the Gold standard of religious based rules, is they tend to congeal into Dogma that does not change with the modernization of society.
Like the discoveries of science, or basic concepts like the genders should have equal rights, as well as people that have different lifestyles. Secular people tend to be more tolerant.
Most the mass death and destruction nowadays is from sectarian violence.
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April 14, 2012 at 4:14 pm
well, to be sure, there have been terrorists who happen to have been atheists, but the acts themselves were not based on promoting atheism.
some of the most christlike people i have encountered were not christian, and as you pointed out, many secular people perform their acts of mercy for no other reason than that they believe it is the right thing to do.
just as some people mistakenly equate legality with morality, some people also mistakenly equate their religion with morality, and it just isn’t so.
when i used to pray in front of an abortion clinic, there was a very nice atheist couple who would protest.
none of us do it any longer for the same reasons. we each have a roommate and her baby, so the resources that we could personally offer long term to anyone are now limited. and also the atmosphere has changed and the protests are not quiet, loving and peaceful as they once were.
to be sure, the protesters have not turned violent, but the atmosphere has definitely changed and none of us wants any part of that.
but we still have opportunities to contribute to a culture of life with our soup kitchen gigs in the same time slots that we were once protesting, so it all worked out for us. 🙂
i think we all can use religious beliefs for either good or for evil, and so once again we have come to the point that kate was making with her insightful entry. 🙂
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April 14, 2012 at 4:15 pm
on a side note, several years back, i was on a board in which some fundies began attacking the secular members.
i defended the secular people and was later declared by a friend who has now become an offline friend as well, as an honorary atheist.
he sent me an email with the subject line “atheist 10 commandments”.
i share them with you now.
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April 14, 2012 at 10:28 am
lorriepoo, you are such a loving person.
nobody deserves the hell that you were put through.
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April 14, 2012 at 11:30 am
Isn’t their behavior with past employees extortion or blackmail?
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April 14, 2012 at 11:54 am
I see it as Extortion as in the definition of Innapropriate Leverage, probably not winnable in a court case.
However the actions of the Person against the Child probably would fall under Child Abuse statutes, and the school’s teachers are probably mandatory reporters and should have reported and had the person verbally abusing the child investigated for child abuse.
In most states the standard for reporting abuse has nothing to do with actually having strong evidence. There just has to be a reasonable concern.
I’m not a lawyer, but that is my understanding.
Perhaps this angle should be taken now a days as this still happens?
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April 16, 2012 at 9:58 am
perhaps it should!
if one has an issue with a person, they need to deal with it in a civil manner with that person and leave their families out of it.
lorraine’s family was targeted. it’s not as though someone went to her daughter and told a “yo’ mama” joke.
what was done to her was hurtful for the sole purpose of hurting.
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February 9, 2014 at 4:49 am
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February 11, 2014 at 11:42 am
One in the more impressive blogs Ive overebsd. Thanks a great deal for keeping the world wide web classy to get a change. Youve received style, class, bravado. I necessarily mean it. Please keep it up because minus the internet is definitely lacking inside intelligence.
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April 12, 2012 at 8:33 am
Go to the 4/12 abortion.ws blog to see what I meant last post by literate pro-death bitterness (well, in this case, semi-literate).
The writer, Kate Ranieri, though, really knows how to hurt a guy. She strikes out at the most effective prolifers around and doesn’t mention me once. And I thought I was hot stuff! I’m crushed.
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April 12, 2012 at 9:24 am
Who are you that you would be crushed?
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April 12, 2012 at 10:21 am
Dunkle is a tea bagger
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April 12, 2012 at 10:38 am
What does that mean?
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April 12, 2012 at 12:58 pm
A living humanoid baring a skull that is vacant of a brain and a mouth that is only silenced while suckling on an oversized scrotum hence the name “tea-bagger”.
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April 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Wow, I really like that description!!!
So this guy is basically worthless and irrelevant?
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April 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm
i think that we religious antis could take a cue from the atheist antis.
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April 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm
>>>It’s clear to me that many anti abortion terrorists do not operate under loving and compassionate religious principles. They are driven by hate, anger and fear. <<<
when jesus comes back, he's gonna be pissed off.
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April 12, 2012 at 8:31 pm
I mean people need to be held in a better light than that. He is not worthless, he just needs to understand, his actions have consequences. It is horrid to scream in women’s faces. Compassion should be his motive not these anguishes.
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April 12, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Andrew, if your comment about not being worthless was made in reference to John Dunkle, I’d have to say that he is apparently valuable to his like-minded antiabortion terrorists, to some members, if not all, of his family and to those on this blog who need a target for their abject disdain of his undignified behavior toward women clients at abortion clinics.
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April 13, 2012 at 11:19 am
I despise those protestors.
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April 13, 2012 at 6:02 pm
yeah as do i, its beyond insane, they have no right to do anything they do. but dont you think there has to be some way you can implore some kind of intellect to these people, is there no changing this?
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April 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Francis Shafer, a long time prolifer, turned away from the idiocy of the church, of the bible-deluded. He saw their utter ignorance and blindness to their dogma. It’s hard to trump dogma with willful ignorance.
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April 13, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Abortion is homicide. People who support the abortion have that opinion clearly because they were not killed by one. It is nonesense to think that killing a person out of a womb is different than to kill it inside a womb. Life is life in or out, a person has the right to live in or out their mother´s womb.
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April 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Abortion is legal. It is not homocide. If it were homocide, it would be illegal.
The woman has the right to her life over the life of a fetus, always!
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April 14, 2012 at 5:59 am
Stella De La Llata…it some one came into your home and raped your two young daughters, tied up your spouse nearly beat him to death then set your home on fire and burned them to death!! Do you believe they are eligible for the “death penalty”??
Do you support the death penalty? That is the one thing I don’t understand normally the anti group believe that the death penalty is “OK!! But if
“Life is life in or out, a person has the right to live in or out their mother´s womb.” How can you justify the difference…
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April 14, 2012 at 8:53 am
Stella Abortion is not Homicide by definition.
However you saying it is makes you a liar.
Thankfully most people think you are crazy.
My guess is you are another Pro Life scoundrel that won’t answer anyone’s questions intelligently. Let’s see . . .
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April 14, 2012 at 4:23 pm
>>>That is the one thing I don’t understand normally the anti group believe that the death penalty is “OK!!<<<
i knoooooooooow!
that makes no sense to me.
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April 14, 2012 at 10:21 am
actually, this could make for a good topic.
here is the definition of homicide.
ho·mi·cide noun \ˈhä-mə-ˌsīd, ˈhō-\
Definition of HOMICIDE
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: a person who kills another
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: a killing of one human being by another
homicide is not synonymous with murder. murder is a legal term and abortion is not murder.
and while a zefb is a human, is he or she a person?
just something to consider.
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April 14, 2012 at 11:55 am
Stella, you are a moron.
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April 15, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Stella came, she conquered (not) and she cut out. Another hit and run.
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April 16, 2012 at 9:59 am
*waves bye bye to stella*
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April 13, 2012 at 9:20 pm
David O. McKay wrote “The rising sun can dispel the darkness of night, but it cannot banish the blackness of malice, hatred, bigotry, and selfishness from the hearts of humanity.” As the ninth president of the Church of Latter Day Saints, McKay, knew well the brightness of the intense Utah sun and the darkness of humanity’s heart. It’s odd how religion and selfishness seem so intertwined. Poet Percy Bysshe Shelley recognized the duality, not of sun against darkness of heart but religion against selfishness. Further, both McKay and Shelley, so long ago, understood the hearts of the religious who regard themselves as more important than the rest of the world, who strut their own accomplishments like proud peacocks, who behave rudely and with evil in their hearts, who provoke others with hubristic words.
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April 14, 2012 at 4:20 pm
since evan and i were commenting on the goodness which we have each encountered in many of the secular people we have known, i wanted to offer this little article that a friend shared with me several years back.
i don’t know who the author was, but i think it puts into how secular people must feel into a perspective that is easy to understand.
this is for our atheist and agnostic readers.
Has anyone seen my horse?
I can live in a world where the man who lives on the corner, takes his “invisible” horse out for a ride. I’ll smile and step aside when he “gallops” by. After all, he’s not hurting anyone. No harm, right? I know there’s not an invisible horse, but it makes him happy and that’s the important thing. It’s amusing, actually. But if almost everyone in my town starts to ride “invisible” horses, the dynamic changes drastically. Then I am continually stepping aside for them to “ride” through.
They build barns and stables for their “invisible” friends and they don’t pay taxes on these buildings or on anything they buy, that relates to their “invisible” companions. So, I’m paying their share of the taxes and stepping politely aside for them. As if accomodating their “invisible” buddies in these ways isn’t bad enough, many people want to talk about them. Although they don’t show me pictures, they certainly have a lot of funny stories. Be careful though, they don’t think these stories are funny. They want you to respect their invisible friend and get kind of cranky if you don’t. It gets tricky, because although they are entitled to their beliefs, I am just as entitled to think they are at the very least, childishly delusional. This creates more akwardness. I am somewhat resistant to stepping aside, paying extra taxes, listening to their stories AND pretending like what they believe is okay. I have limits, I suppose.
A walk through their stables is silent and there is nothing to indicate these invisible creatures actually exist. The building is empty, yet the “riders” enter, talk and carry on like there is something there. They don’t notice the silence, because they simply answer for their “invisible” companions, too. No problem, because they know what their “invisible” friend is thinking and what he wants. It’s almost like watching a puppet show, but with real people.
When I actually have the termerity to ask them to please ride around me occasionally, they wonder why I hate their invisible entities. Any attempt to explain why I can’t be hostile toward something that doesn’t exist, seems to fall on deaf ears. They claim, if I didn’t “hate”, then I would see that invisible creatures do exist. Inevitably comes the challenge to prove that these shy little buddies DON’T exist!! Attempts to explain that non-existence is, well….nothing and can’t be proven, seem beyond their comprehension. I have asked them to prove that aliens, IPU’s, the Almighty Schlogg or Bigfoot DON’T exist, but I’ve had no takers on even one of these choices. It is apparently unfriendly and unloving to tell someone that their invisible friend doesn’t, um….appear to exist. Somewhere along the way, I find that I’m not smiling as much, anymore.
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April 14, 2012 at 9:41 pm
If you have a chance to save someone from death and you do nothing are you being civil and compassionate?
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April 15, 2012 at 6:16 am
Jeff,
When you choose to obstruct the moral and legal rights of a woman to act against her for your own selfish motivations to be a savior, you do nothing civil or compassionate.
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April 15, 2012 at 8:39 am
The Supreme Court of the USA is in grave error. There is truly no right to destroy life through abortion especially for reasons of “choice” alone. The founders would be aghast. This is a manufactured travesty that hinges on the “feminist” agenda of me first and “what God?”.
Our laws and constitution are based on the “God Given Rights” that gave us the “right” to build this country on Liberty, but liberty guided by conscience and respect for a Higher Power. The politics of death, disease, mayhem and foul behavior come from the opposite source, the great Deceiver.
There is every “right” of the people to limit this sick action of killing the unborn for no other reason than the “mother” just doesn’t want to be pregnant. As a responsible citizen there is a right and a responsibility to use every legal means possible to mitigate, dissuade and stop this terrible behavior. When the discussion centers around illegal means I guess one must approach with caution. I would leave you with the example of the underground railroad to save slaves from their brutal southern masters. A mostly illegal endeavor but one that many could not, with clear conscience, avoid and which infuriated the evil slave owners.
bloggingfem you say that stopping an abortion is a “selfish motivation” that is neither “civil or compassionate”. Just ask the child saved from abortion when they are an adult. Just ask the woman who has a stab of guilt at the thought of what she “almost” did. Rest assured, not all are of such a hard heart that they don’t mourn the child they have killed or almost killed.
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April 15, 2012 at 11:39 am
Jeff: The Supreme Court of the USA is in grave error.
Me: According to what standards can you make such a judgment?
Jeff: There is truly no right to destroy life through abortion especially for reasons of “choice” alone. The founders would be aghast.
Me: Screw the founders because they were men and because they were not part of America that believed in equality for women (kind of like you, Jeff).
Jeff: This is a manufactured travesty that hinges on the “feminist” agenda of me first and “what God?”.
Me: Oh, I see. Claiming that women are fully equal is a feminist agenda? Are you serious? In case you haven’t noticed, there are millions of young women who do not claim the label but do demand their full rights including the right to abortion on demand without apology.
Jeff: Our laws and constitution are based on the “God Given Rights” that gave us the “right” to build this country on Liberty, but liberty guided by conscience and respect for a Higher Power.
Me: Perhaps you need to recall that this founders of this nation were NOT all God-believers. Further, this country is founded on the belief in separation of church and state, freedom of religions and freedom from religions.
Jeff: The politics of death, disease, mayhem and foul behavior come from the opposite source, the great Deceiver. There is every “right” of the people to limit this sick action of killing the unborn for no other reason than the “mother” just doesn’t want to be pregnant.
Me: No woman should ever be forced to carry a pregnancy to term—ever! That someone (such as you) essentially is demanding a woman carry to term an unwanted pregnancy amounts to slavery, the very weak argument you used in your response.
One final note for you to ponder, Jeff–millions of good women have chosen abortion for good reasons. They are women who already have children, women who do not want children, women who adhere to formal religious practices, women who want children but choose to start their families later, and women who are in difficult relationships. And these millions of women do not regret their abortions. Period.
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April 15, 2012 at 2:49 pm
>>>bloggingfem you say that stopping an abortion is a “selfish motivation” that is neither “civil or compassionate”.<<<
no, she didn't.
she said that when someone chooses to obstruct a woman's moral and legal rights in order to act against her for one's own selfish motivations to be a savior, one is doing nothing civil or compassionate.
there is quite a difference between what you claim she said and what she actually said.
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April 15, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Jeff,
Which of the thousands of Sky Gods do you worship as the creator?
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April 15, 2012 at 5:45 pm
The one true God—Jeff O’Mighty
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April 16, 2012 at 10:04 am
jajajajajaja
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February 8, 2014 at 10:24 am
I put those up so someone would have to think about my deuhgtar. Last night was particularly bad. A line from a song I was listening to triggered the break-down and subsequent, uncontrollable sobbing. It only happens once or twice a year anymore, which is good. Sorry, if it bothered anyone, but sometimes it seems like no one remembers my little girl, and it hurts to think that people would forget such a wonderful, energetic, little bundle of joy. Anyway thanks for tolerating my shenanigans and letting me thrust my problems onto unsuspecting readers.
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April 15, 2012 at 12:05 pm
What you are saying, essentially, is that you are disregarding the women. For that cavalier attitude, I’d say you have neither civility nor compassion. You have a fetish for a fetus that does not belong to you.
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April 15, 2012 at 6:19 am
Here’s a suggestion for anti abortion terrorists, to reform:
“One who previously made bad karma, but who reforms and creates good karma, brightens the world like the moon appearing from behind a cloud.”
~Shakyamuni Buddha
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April 16, 2012 at 10:05 am
i love love LOVE this quote!
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April 15, 2012 at 8:17 am
I believe in post birth abortion up to the age of 18. At least then you know for sure whether you want the child or not. A lot more honest.
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April 15, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Honest? Where is there honesty in such a statement? That you’re comparing the value of an 18 year old to the value of a reptilian 4 week fetus is ludicrous. That you disregard the value of women is, at the very least, dispicable if not hubristic.
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April 19, 2012 at 6:11 am
Obviously I’m mocking abortion on demand illogic. One post describes a woman who’s life was saved by an abortion. I have no argument with that. My disdain is for the “choice because I say so” issue. You argue about equalilty, hmmm what about the equality of the father? Obviously you have no respect for him. This is a pure and sick selfish act of a mother killing her own flesh and blood and another humans flesh and blood. This mantra of “I can do what ever I want it’s my body” only has any weight when no one else is harmed. Just as in any other liberty it only works as long as no one else is harmed. If they are then one has to weigh the consequences and judge when and where an action can take place that effects others.
In this case, the child dies. Quite the consequence in my book, especially at the hands of the one who should have nurtured, protected and loved that child.
Once again I will have to point out that only with a disdain for God, the Creator, can a person have the audacity to destroy another human being and not tremble even if the person feels the act is justified in self defense or in defense of others.
Those of you who believe in Darwin, then I would simply say that the law of the fittest applies and there should be no limits except what a person makes for them self in any and all circumstances. Of course knowing that others can follow the same creed.
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April 19, 2012 at 6:29 am
AGAIN, you disdain for women is evident in your writing. That you disregard the life and the value of the woman merits a Darwin award for your intellectual prowess.
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April 15, 2012 at 2:44 pm
We dont support that but, Stella De La Llata, if someone gave you to the life of disdain, hellish tendencies of an older man, no financial future. Does that strike similarities in your life? why would you wish that on anyone?
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April 15, 2012 at 5:42 pm
OK, I’m totally unclear on the meaning of your post
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April 15, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Jeff, do you have any translators available?
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April 15, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I was at death’s door literally while being pregnant so what these anti-abortion idiots are saying is that i should of kept the child and killed myself in the process?? Am alive today because I made a choice to live and am proud of my choice
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April 16, 2012 at 4:46 am
It’s hard to wrap your head around their logic, NS. Glad you were able to make the choice you did. Thanks for sharing your story.
No woman can call herself free who does not control her own body.
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April 17, 2012 at 6:44 pm
We dont support that, the other Jeff, Stella De La Llata, if someone gave you as a child to the life of disdain, hellish tendencies of an older man, or even, no financial future. Does that strike similarities in your life? why would you wish that on anyone?
Illegalizing abortion is nearly just that.
Giving kids to bad homes. Normally if an embryo is going to be aborted, lets think of the causes, the out comes, and not subjecting ourselves to ideologies like Stella De La Llata saying:
Abortion is homicide. People who support the abortion have that opinion clearly because they were not killed by one. It is nonesense to think that killing a person out of a womb is different than to kill it inside a womb. Life is life in or out, a person has the right to live in or out their mother´s womb.
I mean yeah, you could say someone deserves life, but how far are you willing to take that, relinquishing embryos to grow into a human, to live the life of disdain, ill finances. wheres the justification for that?
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