Abortion
I want to talk about two pro-choice people who have been in the news lately.
The first is a pro-choice activist named Ted Shulman. It seems that this turkey recently pled guilty to making death threats against Father Frank Pavone of Priests for Life and Princeton Professor Robert George. He could face up to 51 months in federal custody and will be sentenced on September 12. He has called himself the “first pro-choice terrorist.”
Maybe I’m missing something here, but I’ve done some research and am bothered that I have not seen the major pro-choice groups condemning this nut ball. For many, many years we have been quick to criticize the pro-life movement when they seem to disappear when one of their own engages in acts of violence or, if they do condemn the action, it is always with the caveat that “if the abortionist did not engage in the act of killing himself perhaps this would not have happened” or words to that effect.
Well, this pro-choicer is not going to play games with something as serious as this. Let me for the record condemn the actions of Mr. Shulman and I hope he does serve his time. What this guy did was wrong – period.
Abortion
The other person I want to talk about is Nancy Keenan, the Executive Director of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights League, who recently announced that she will be leaving the organization after the November presidential elections.
Interestingly, Nancy said she is moving on because it’s time to let the “younger folks” take over the reins. Now, Nancy is only 60 years old which, to me at least, still seems “not very old” but she makes a good point.
Many years ago, I was the Director of Government Affairs for NARAL. Literally two days after I joined the staff, the Senate Judiciary Committee passed a constitutional amendment overturned Roe v Wade, the Supreme Court case that legalized abortion. During that time, millions of dollars rolled into the NARAL office and it seemed like every day we were hiring a new staff person. Meanwhile, there were rallies all across the country, marches on Washington, television commercials. It was a very exciting time and many younger folks were engaged in the debate.
Ultimately, we won the battle as we defeated the amendment handily. But, once we turned back the threat to legal abortion, many of those activists left the movement and moved on to other issues. That is ironic down side when you win something.
Then, in the ensuing years the Supreme Court, the U.S. Congress and the state legislatures started chipping away at Roe but those battles weren’t “sexy” enough to get all the troops revved up again. There was no prominent “devil” to focus on. On the other hand, the pro-life movement always had the fetus to keep its attention so they kept the pressure up. Later the clinic protest movement grew bigger as some decided to take the battle to the streets, right at the spot where “babies were being killed.”
Polls can always be deceiving but generally it does appear that there are more young folks involved in the pro-life movement than the pro-choice movement. One possible reason is that they now have their “devil” in Barack Obama, who they like to call the “most pro-abortion President in our history.”
Frankly, if I were back at NARAL, I’m not sure what I would do to try to get the younger generation more energized. They certainly don’t remember the old days of illegal abortion and campaigns to try to remind them have failed. Meanwhile, it’s hard to get energized about a right that they have grown up with.
Nancy has the right idea. But she and NARAL have a tough task ahead.
Related articles
- NARAL President Stepping Down, Citing Lacking Millennial Involvement In Pro-Choice Movement (mediaite.com)
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- NARAL Pro-Choice Leader To Step Down (myfoxdc.com)
- President Of Abortion Rights Group NARAL Will Step Down In January (npr.org)
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May 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm
As the Manager of a Pro Choice organization, I publically condemn this singular person that says he is a pro choice terrorist.
As well, I condemn the multitudes of ProLife intimidation, threats and terrorist activities that occur daily.
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May 14, 2012 at 5:33 am
jajajajaja
with all due respect, you sound like anti-abortion leaders when they “condemn” the terrorism that antis perpetuate against doctors and staff in clinics.
well done!
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May 14, 2012 at 5:58 am
I agree with Rogie. I appreciate your comments, Todd and would love to know what organization you represent, but you’re doing the same that the antis do. You condemn Shulman but then you gotta remind the world of the “war” and what the other side does as well. I think that mitigates the impact of your statement, it makes it sound less honest or that you’re doing it as you are winking your eye…
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May 14, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Todd probably would like to say what organization he belongs to, but probably (a guess) is a fear for his own safety, given the long record of Christian Extremist Terrorism.
I hardly see how explicitly stating the truth is a wink and a nod . . . can someone elaborate?
If telling the truth makes one seems less honest – that is a reflection on the reader rather than the author.
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May 14, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Hi elena
I will elaborate when i get home
It. Is rather hard to do so on my phone.
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May 15, 2012 at 5:28 am
sorry for the delay, elena
this might be something that we have to agree to disagree on, and i can only speak for myself, but this is my perspective.
when doctor tiller was murdered in his church by a christian extremist, anti-abortion leaders, either did as pat said, and said they denounced, it, but if he hadn’t been killing, it wouldn’t have happened, or best case scenario, said “we denounce it, just as we denounce violence in the womb”.
i see those as winks and nods. there was no need to say anything about our stance on abortion. we are antis.
they made a statement to try and make the anti-abortionists look better, but just HAD to make some kind of political points while doing so.
that was what todd did with his post.
if he had simply stated that as the manager of a pro-choice organization and denounced the terrorist act alone without attempting to make political points, it would have been doing the right thing.
if anti abortion leaders would simply denounce the violence by christian extremists against doctors and clinic workers rather than trying to make political points in the same sentence, it would be doing the right thing.
many antis are unaware of the terrorism that clinics see everyday.
many choicers are unaware of the terrorism that is inflicted upon antis everyday.
in both instances, the ones who spoke were being honest, but it is still a wink and a nod.
we could debate numbers and who did what to whom until we are blue in the face.
but i think that the leaders in both camps need to speak out against any act of violence inflicted upon the other because it is the right thing to do and not make attempts to promote our own agendas.
i don’t think that we should allow for different behavioral standards by either camp.
pat’s point was that pro-choice organizations are painfully silent about this matter.
they were painfully silent when the manager of the clinic in tulsa planted an alarm clock in the trash can and called in a bomb threat.
if an anti had done that, they would have been screaming bloody murder and rightfully so.
it is as though this entire issue is surrounded by a huge propaganda machine and the people don’t matter to so many people on either side.
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May 15, 2012 at 6:58 am
Rogie said it perfectly. When a pro choice person is killed, most pro-life groups do feel they need to respond but then they need to make a political point as well. It’s just part of this never ending war. The pro-choice groups should have taken the high road and issued an outright condemnation of Shulman’s crap…
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February 9, 2014 at 12:02 am
Dear Krishnakumar,Vajra did not mean it personally. It is just a dig at a tacypilly powerless husband, who tries to hide his powerlessness by means of this reprimand on his wife.Here the pronoun “you” is to be understood in general and does not refer to Krishnakumar.Let me hasten to add that we Indians have to learn a lot from Israel in dealing with terrorists, who are actually cowards in heart or just the unitiated tempted by beautiful maidens in heaven, if they go as suicide bombers. And I am amazed at the selflessness of their leaders, who would like to leave all such maidens for others and not for themselves or for their sons. Regards,Dondu N.Raghavan
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July 8, 2014 at 5:06 am
It’s good to get a fresh way of looking at it.
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May 15, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Todd Stave! Son of a gun. an old friend of mine. I knew I’d find you some place.
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May 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Decoded: John Dunkle:Todd:Gun:Find You
Dunkle is making a threat
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May 16, 2012 at 5:17 am
Interesting. Certainly not intentional, but who can plumb the subconscious?
But for months now I’ve been hoping to hear from Todd to thank him for sending me all those names — because of him the readership of my newsletter has risen from six-and-half (three feds) to seven hundred!
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May 16, 2012 at 7:30 am
John, you do not have the additional readership because those individuals gave consent to have you send them your newsletter. The expansion of so-called readership is a misnomer. You added the email addresses of those who contacted you through Voice of Choice volunteers who have asked you to stop your bullying. In other words, you send your newsletter against their will.
Like your protesting, you foist yourself on the unwilling.
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May 16, 2012 at 7:45 am
They email me, but you and they don’t want me to email them? What is this — typical pro-death double standard?
About twenty have asked me to take them off my mailing list, which of course I do. I write back, “Sure,GIBCTI” (Give It But Can’t Take It).
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May 16, 2012 at 8:17 am
But tell us, John, the inside story. Did you really get inundated with calls? Are they still going on? Obviously, they had no impact?
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May 16, 2012 at 8:41 am
His little “newsletter” most likely goes into everyone’s trash bin automatically.
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May 16, 2012 at 9:31 am
This answers Pat (as usual rog has to confuse things sticks his insult randomly i think he should wait his turn am i being too sensitive):
Yeah I got inundated. I had to hit “delete” on my 484-706-4375 cell; otherwise I’d have to pay (tracfone) to listen folks who talk like your illiterate buddies here write. But I read and responded to every email, about five hundred. I still write many of them. A goldmine.
Now my wife’s a different story — scared her half to death and she immediately changed the house phone number, much to my chagrin.
A funny thing happened, though, with the letters. After the first two or three she realized they were all sympathetic to her plight, you know, married to me, and she started enjoying them. I really do have a lot to thank Todd for.
Todd’s boys’ big “threat” never materialized — to visit me at home as I visit the baby killers. Never does. I’ve been through that several times. So, sure, no impact. As a matter of fact this Sunday I will make my first visit to Jimmy Anasti in Zionsville. Jimmy will be the sixth killer I make a home visit to.
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May 16, 2012 at 10:12 am
One more thing. Before my first prayer vigil I contact the police, then I try to contact the killer (killers never respond), then I write to the neighbors. The neighbors do respond. Neighbors get angry because who wants an ugly old man ruining their Sunday afternoons? I liked the letters anyway except for one. In his letter B. A. Heist says Jimmy “does not perform abortions.” That upsets me because I don’t want to say someone is a baby killer if he’s not. Unfortunately, BA leaves no way for me to get back to him, Maybe I’ll learn more when I go there Sunday (6562 Powder Valley Road, around 1:30, Kate).
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May 16, 2012 at 10:25 am
Finally, if you want to read AB’s entire letter, you’ll have to go to my June newsletter, skyp1.blogspot.com
This is not an attempt to increase my readership, not.
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May 16, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I still condemn Anti Abortion intimidation and terrorism.
And who is this John Dunkle? Why does he speak as if he knows me?
This is scary.
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May 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I know Todd Stave. Are you Todd Stave?
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May 17, 2012 at 6:22 am
I believe it’s Todd, John. He wrote early in this thread, said he represented a pro choice group. Interesting story about your reaction to the calls. Are you still picketing Jen’s house?
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May 17, 2012 at 8:39 am
Yup, I go there around 11 on the third Sunday morning of the month, and then to killer Johnny Roizin’s, and then, starting this Sunday, to killer Jimmy Anasti’s.
On the 4th Sunday we visit Sondra Dantzic, Charley Benjamin, Joel Lebed, and Jay Sivitz, killers all.
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May 17, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Who is Jimmy Anasti? Who does he work for? If you see Charley Benjamin, give him my best!
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May 17, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Jimmy began killing people Tuesday mornings at Planned Parenthood in Reading, PA, last November. It took me till March to find out who he is and till this Sunday to go through all the rigamarole and make my first visit.
I’m worried, though, because one of the several neighbors who wrote telling me to stay away said Jimmy is not an abortionist, code for Jimmy does not kill people. I’m worried because I don’t want to proclaim that someone’s a killer if he’s not. Sunday evening I’ll let you know what happened.
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May 17, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I and my friend have been visiting Charley for years now but we haven’t yet caught a glimpse of him
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May 20, 2012 at 12:17 pm
i don’t think this is the same todd.
this todd says that he is the manager of a pro-choice organization.
VOC isn’t really a pro-choice organization despite the name.
it is more of an anti-terrorist organization. at least that’s the way i see it.
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May 20, 2012 at 12:15 pm
>>>I still condemn Anti Abortion intimidation and terrorism.<<<
which is as it should be.
i am an anti and i condemn those acts as well, even if the anti-abortion leaders won't do so.
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May 13, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Nancy Keenan should be applauded for the years of tireless effort she put forth defending Women’s rights against the horrors of Conservative Christian Terrorist tactics.
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May 14, 2012 at 5:59 am
I do applaud her. On the other hand, we have been losing support among young people over the years so it makes me wonder what NARAL has been doing to stop the trend. But it’s a good question: how to you rev up the young people who have grown up with the right to abortion?
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May 14, 2012 at 1:14 pm
This is a challenge.
The conservatives have gone so far right on the issue, I have confidence that organizations representing women’s liberties, if the effort is put forth and funds are available, a clear message can be delivered.
We can start right here.
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May 15, 2012 at 5:34 am
that is a good point about the conservatives going so far right with this issue. those insane personhood proposals are a good example. the passage of those bills would not put women back to a point before roe v wade. it would take them further back than they have ever been in the course of history
but there seems to be so much apathy among young americans in comparison to 30 years ago.
obviously there are exceptions, but sitting on facebook protesting and actually being active in one’s community protesting are two different matters.
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May 15, 2012 at 7:00 am
I’m not sure if I share your confidence, Elena, in the pro-choice groups. I guess the first question really is how do you judge if someone is “winning” or “losing?” Hmmm, maybe that is fodder for another column?
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May 14, 2012 at 5:37 am
pat, i am right on board with you about the silence that is so deafening from both camps when their own side commits an act of terrorism.
i have found a handful of people who have the backbone to stand up for what’s right and condemn those acts without any attempts at making some kind of political points.
but the majority, as well as the leaders remain silent.
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May 14, 2012 at 6:01 am
The pro choicers especially remain silent, as in this case. The antis, when a doctor is killed, are almost forced to say something but they also do it with a wink and a nod and they also try to score points by talking about “killing” fetuses. And the propaganda war continues….
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May 14, 2012 at 1:12 pm
The Antis have a long consistent considerable history of this type of wink and nod behavior.
I am skeptical you can find a single Pro Choice leader that will give a wink and Nod to terrorism Christian Extremist style that we see daily as Todd initially posted.
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May 15, 2012 at 5:37 am
is silence preferable top a wink and a nod?
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February 9, 2014 at 6:15 pm
//They are more patriotic than iniadn media they dont write soooo many things like the most liberal iniadn media does.//Is it a crime to be Patriotic ?
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May 14, 2012 at 8:11 am
I’ll bet you’re getting tired of my quoting pro-deather Pat Richards but he posts stuff on abortion.ws I can find no where else:
I want to talk about two pro-choice people who have been in the news lately.
The first is a pro-choice activist named Ted Shulman. It seems that this turkey recently pled guilty to making death threats against Father Frank Pavone of Priests for Life and Princeton Professor Robert George. He could face up to 51 months in federal custody and will be sentenced on September 12. He has called himself the “first pro-choice terrorist.”
Maybe I’m missing something here, but I’ve done some research and am bothered that I have not seen the major pro-choice groups condemning this nut ball. For many, many years we have been quick to criticize the pro-life movement when they seem to disappear when one of their own engages in acts of violence or, if they do condemn the action, it is always with the caveat that “if the abortionist did not engage in the act of killing himself perhaps this would not have happened” or words to that effect.
Well, this pro-choicer is not going to play games with something as serious as this. Let me for the record condemn the actions of Mr. Shulman and I hope he does serve his time. What this guy did was wrong – period.
Pat’s right – “I have not seen the major pro-choice groups condemning this nut ball” – but he’s wrong – the pro-life movement “seem to disappear when one of their own engages in acts of violence . . .”
The pro-life movement actually condemns forceful prolife activity more roundly even than the pro-death movement. Is Pat just unaware of this or is he being disingenuous. My guess is the former.
Here’s an example. Years ago I was listening to our premier prolife politician, Chris Smith of New Jersey, drone on about prolife stuff. I was awakened by a sudden and forceful change in his voice. He was condemning the prolife use of force. Hey, I said to myself, it’s been eight years since Jim Kopp terminated Barnett Slepian, and nothing’s been done since!
What’s Chris talking about!
Moreover, I am one of those prolifers who have not made up their minds about the prolife use of force. Even for this I have been kicked out of my local prolife organization; out of the United States’ only prolife teachers’ organization, Teachers Saving Children; and disinvited as speaker to Serra, a vocation- promoting Catholic men’s association. I have also been lectured to and excoriated by many prolifers, including priests and ministers.
What’s Pat talking about?
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May 14, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Hey John, not tired of your nutty writings . . . it is a constant reminder of how dumb pro lifers like you are.
Please keep it up. it guarantees that Abortion will remain legal as long as the people who appear absolutely bananas run around with their magical religious and women hating belief systems.
Keep up the good work! You help us with your every comment!
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May 15, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Hey Hal, not tired of your nutty commernt . . . it is a constant reminder of how dumb pro deathers like you are.
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May 16, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Where are the intelligent answers to questions?
Dunkle, you falsely represent yourself as literate?
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May 16, 2012 at 3:51 pm
No I don’t. I represent myself as someone who can spot the illiterates, like you, Hal.
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May 14, 2012 at 3:22 pm
So these other organization believe that it is OK to Murder people associated with the legal practice of Abortion? That is why you are not allowed to join them?
And you use the word Terminate? Wan’t it Murder John? Your own misrepresentation of fact reveals who you are as you criticize others.
It is sad that you have spent much of your life achieving Nothing.
John, your own claims to worship and Martyr other Murderer’s makes your statements about your indecision on the use of force disingenuous.
Come judgement day, your support of murder will not fair well with the almighty . . . you better get ready for big downward surprise when you are judged. You will be asking Atta for some water to quench your thirst.
You have already made statements regarding force on this very site.
John your mind must be slipping.
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May 15, 2012 at 5:17 am
OK, guys, I’m back (with a little help from my friends), commenting on “comments.” I spent the past months focusing only on Pat’s and Kate’s posts and ignoring comments because my responses kept getting erased. But I’m giving it another try.
I am just too anxious to get you illiterates to learn a few things. Sometimes I have to employ “tough love.” I’ll begin by re-posting for you new guys something that long ago one of your literate brothers recognized:
“I have to wonder why it is that so many people are responding to Mr. Dunkle’s posts. Whoever John Dunkle is, he or she obviously is enjoying the attention everyone is heaping upon his rhetoric. He needles people into becoming his pawns in a game of words that ends with you all you looking like mad, angry idiots.
“Ignore the man. He’ll go away eventually. Let him have the last word, if it means so much to him. It is clear he is very much enjoying these interactions he precipitates by making rude comments on this site. And you all fall right into the trap, and let him needle you into his game. It’s silly, manipulative, and childish.”
The writer, A. Liggins, got everything right except for my going away (and I don’t think our various interactions were “silly” or “childish” either). So, please, don’t force me again to make you look “like mad, angry idiots.” When you post something stupid, and I point that out to you, take it for what it’s worth. Learn from it. Don’t allow your brain to go dead and froth dumbly at the mouth.
So, allow me, Karl, to begin with you, with your first sentence: “So these other organization believe that it is OK to Murder people associated with the legal practice of Abortion?”
I didn’t read past that first sentence because I realized again I was dealing with an illiterate. I had just finished telling you that these other organizations do not believe that it is OK to murder “people associated with the legal practice of Abortion.” (Nor do I.)
Here’s what I want you to do. I want you to go back and reread my entry seven times. Then I want you to rewrite and post here your new comment. We’ll start from there.
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May 15, 2012 at 8:36 am
I think it’s sad to watch the deterioration of John Dunkle over the years on this site. He repeatedly claims his comments are deleted yet there’s ample evidence to the contrary.
As for his claim that the pro life industry renounces violence, we all have to wonder what he calls violence. You don’t see Dunkle and his pro life minions denouncing the violence of domestic abuse, the violent deaths of civilians in every country our military invades, the violence of food scarcity and hunger, or the violence of homelessness. You don’t see them denouncing the violence of misinformation or lies or shaming or screaming that Dunkle and his ilk foist upon innocent women.
What you do see is Dunkle’s repeated targeting violent behaviors toward women outside abortion clinics, harassing doctors and clinic directors at their homes, and encouraging the foment and dumb froth of prisoners who are educated only at the god-deluded alter of hate and fetal worship.
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May 15, 2012 at 10:32 am
Kate writes that first paragraph twenty-three hours after she had two of my comments, one long, deleted. If you’d seen the long one (tough love), you’d understand why she had it deleted. Kate’s fun though, she knows how to play this game.
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May 15, 2012 at 11:19 am
Kate is absolutely correct, as usual.
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May 15, 2012 at 2:39 pm
I rest my case—aside from posting this morning, the last time I posted or visited this web site was on May 11. So when Dunkle claims I took away his postings, one has to wonder about his memory or paranoia. Poor Dunkle.
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May 15, 2012 at 3:41 pm
This Dunkle character is a laugh! Is it real?
No real person is that dimwitted in their writings or that falsely paranoid?
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May 15, 2012 at 4:33 pm
is that dimwitted in his writings tell ’em Kate
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May 15, 2012 at 4:34 pm
is that dimwitted in his writings
tell ’em Kate
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May 15, 2012 at 7:04 am
John, I will acknowledge (as perhaps I should have in my original piece) that there are some prolifers who unequivocally condemn the violence as I’m sure there is some pro-choicer out there who condemned Shulman. I was being more general in that it always seemed to me that the major pro-life groups/people always tried to make some kind of political point in their press releases that “condemned” the killing of a doctor.
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May 15, 2012 at 10:44 am
Some of the major prolife figures and organizations who condemn forceful prolife activity do add things like, “What do you expect? This guy lived by the sword.” But they all condemn it. And most condemn it unequivocally.
Not me. As you know, I’m all for making political points.
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May 15, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Political Points? No, for the most part you write like a dimwit in my opinion . . . and it appears you knowingly lie and you do not answer direct questions – that may be the only political part about you.
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May 16, 2012 at 5:21 am
Emily writes like a dimwit in my opinion . . . and it appears she knowingly lies and she does not answer direct questions – that may be the only political part about her.
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May 15, 2012 at 11:26 am
Why did Christians murder and torture (in horrific error) so many women because the dumb Christians thought they were witches?
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May 15, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Why do Christian M. and her friends murder and torture (in horrific error) so many young women because the dumb killers’ helpers thought they were tadpoles?
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May 15, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Why not Answer Christian’s Question Dunkle?
Do you know Christian? Why do you Libel this person unless you know?
Afraid of the true answer to Christian’s question?
Is it too hard for the brain of the mentally incoherent?
That is the appearance you give . . .
You know the truth and are too embarrassed by the horrors of your own beliefs. Otherwise instead of writing like someone slipping into the twilight of incoherence you would answer the question.
Here is another example, so easily and readily at hand . . .
Dunkle, everyone sees through you. You are transparent. If you think you have the wit to hide behind you are sadly mistaken. I doubt you ever even had the wit in your “prime.”
Can you answer Christian’s Question?
I doubt it . . .
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May 15, 2012 at 4:36 pm
“slipping into the twilight of incoherence”
Hey, Emily, that’s not bad! You stick around.
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May 16, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Well there is the answer, from The Dunkle.
John IS too incoherent to answer a question.
If you could shw otherwise, but sadly he cannot. John I give you permission to spew your senile brain as you are doing.
Don’t overdo it, or I will deny you that permission.
You are great entertainment, and a source of laughter from people that have any intillegence.
What has your latest RPR test revealed?
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May 16, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Now I’m disappointed. OK, Em, you can go.
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February 17, 2015 at 9:58 am
Tip top stuff. I’ll expect more now.
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May 14, 2012 at 11:12 am
Just saw on a brazilian web page that NOW pregnancies that the fetus has a proved anencephaly will be able to be terminated. They recognized that this pregnancy was a psychological harm to the expectant mother and made it legal for them to receive an abortion by a doctor. Of course after going thru an ultrasound and a doctors diagnostic. Which is a GREAT thing for the woman in Brazil.
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May 15, 2012 at 7:08 am
If they allow it for an anencephaly, why not for other deformities? There are hundreds of other situations that could cause “psychological harm” to the woman.
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May 15, 2012 at 10:58 am
I agree Pat. There is much more things that needs attention but unfortunately they don’t see as clearly as we do. BUT it is a victory to have that at least. Because (and i am repeating myself here) not too long ago, i did translated a case that a woman was pregnant and she wanted to abort because the fetus was to be born and die in matter of minutes for being anencephalic, i remember that for me was very hard to watch all the suffering she was ring thru and the doctors and nurses and politics not caring for her pain. But at least now if a pregnancy with that deformity happens, women in Brazil will have the chance of not being obligated to go to term just for stupidity. Being brazilian, i can say that there is a lot for them to “grow” before they do approve abortion to be legal over there.
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February 8, 2014 at 3:02 pm
Didn’t know the forum rules allowed such brlinialt posts.
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May 16, 2012 at 9:44 am
And i thought this was a grown up place to discuss seriously subjects, but i think i was mistaken… oh well!
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May 16, 2012 at 10:20 am
What does this mean, soni, or is it just more of your usual rambling.
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May 16, 2012 at 11:43 am
My thoughts exactly, that is why i left.
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May 16, 2012 at 10:55 am
People keep saying abortion is wrong, illegal etc… So if they want to keep it on this path, they will have to make drinking alcohol or smoking while pregnant illegal too. These can also cause abortions.
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May 16, 2012 at 11:25 am
oy vey
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February 8, 2014 at 11:28 pm
//Here the pronoun “you” is to be //understood in gnareel and does //not refer to Krishnakumar.Its very hard to buy your argument. //Let me hasten to add that we //Indians have to learn a lot from //Israel in dealing with //terrorists, who are actually //cowards in heart or just the //unitiated tempted by beautiful //maidens in heaven, if they go as //suicide bombers.Yes every culture has to offer something to other culture or country. What really irritates me is the “halo” ness painted by some people here on Isreal. I am not praising islamic terrorism what i am trying to point out is the bias. I am also a strong supporter of capitalist but that does not mean we have to support everything and anything Isreal has done or we have to praise everything and anything right wing countries and people do.It is highly ridiculous to think your capitalistic credentials will get defiled if we speak against isreal.If we are condemning Osama/saddam we have to vehmently speak against the atrocities of Isrealis and the zionists. Just because the jews own some 1967 war that too with sophisticated weaponary against bunch of crude warriors like Egypt and jordan does not necessciate a great admiration for that country.The recent history has shown that they could not even stand against a unorganised band of hezabollah. That sense of admiration is as ridiculous as saying just because hezabollahs pumped up crude rockets against isreal we have to admire hezabollah.The whole concept of Isreal is sheer disgusting. If somebody comes and tells me that 2000 years ago my forefathers lived in your house so you have to vacate it will that make any sense it does not.I am privy to soooooooo many isreali literature here and i hear the voices of sooooooo many Isrealis. All they say is the arabs (palestines) have plenty of countries to move to so they should move out and let the whole land to jews. They say this in as many words or in circumlocutory manner or some in blunt manner depending on the level of their position in society but ultimately what they want is drive out the arabs from the land.No western nation has recognized palestine as a country so the notion of two nation theory so far has not been given sanctimonious blessing by the elite countries then how can you expect Iran or other Islamic countries to do the same with Isreal. Any problem in the world could be solved but not this one unless and until the whole security council is revamped with more saner voices with veto power.
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February 10, 2014 at 9:48 am
Hey, Jacob, take this conversation elswhere…
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July 24, 2014 at 12:44 pm
Excellent site you have here but I was wanting to know if you
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If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
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