No matter what your position on the abortion issue, I think we can all agree that our government is virtually paralyzed. No one can get anything done and the simple explanation is those “special interests” that focus just on their particular issue. Indeed, just about every group that does some lobbying rates Members of Congress and come election time everyone runs to see if he or she has that vaunted 100 percent voting record on their issue. If they don’t, watch out. Lemme give you a good example.
One of my best friends is a Congressman from Virginia. He’s been around for many years, I’ve worked on his campaign, donated money, etc. When he ran for Congress the first time he did something unusual – he actually ran commercials highlighting how he was pro-choice. He won that race and in the years after that, he earned a 100 percent voting record with the National Abortion Rights Action League. And every time a new campaign cycle came around, he received the maximum $5,000 contribution from NARAL.
Then one day, while I was at the office of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, he gave me a call. “Pat, what the hell is this partial birth abortion thing?” As readers of this blog know, the “partial birth abortion” procedure as dubbed by pro-lifers, entailed pulling the live fetus down the birth canal, removing the contents of the cranium to deflate the skull, then removing the fetus from the canal. The doctor who developed this technique explained it was designed for women with small birth canals. Well, the shit hit the fan when the anti-abortion movement discovered this procedure. And folks like my friend in Congress, who is Catholic, were horrified.
I explained to him as much as I could about this procedure but he was clearly uncomfortable. Then, to his credit, he told me bluntly that he felt he had to vote to ban the procedure and, as much as I was disappointed, I actually admired how he had examined this issue based on the individual merits.
Ultimately, the votes were cast and he voted to ban the procedure. At that point, it did not become law because President Clinton vetoed the bill. The ban later became law under President Bush.
And in the next election cycle, the NARAL-PAC gave him NO money.
One vote and his 100% record was gone – and his “friends” felt they had to punish him for daring to vote against them. As we know, several pro-choice Members of Congress did the same, including Senator Daniel Moynihan and Representative Patrick Kennedy.
This is how Washington, D.C. works folks. Either you toe the line or watch your back. And this is why nothing ever gets done.
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June 24, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Damn, Pat, I don’t know what I’d do without you. This goes into the August newsletter.
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June 25, 2012 at 4:01 am
There you go “Dunkle”…once again you are going to show us your expertise…on how to…”copy”…”cut”…&…”paste”!! The only difference this time is that you will NOT “copy”…”cut”…&…”paste”…something that is absolutely
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June 25, 2012 at 4:07 am
****HAVING PROBLEMS…..THE REST OF THIS COMMENT IS!!***
ridiculous… like “ABORTION CAUSES…CANCER IN THE GRANDMOTHER OF ABORTED FETUS!!”
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June 25, 2012 at 5:11 am
Ah LDM, you’re hopeless. And I had just begun to think that I was helping you to make sense. Take a year off. Do you pray? Probably not. OK, just read.
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June 25, 2012 at 6:09 am
I do pray “Dunkle”…but unlike you and your group…I don’t use my prayers to ask for BAD things or for a murder to “step up” to do “your” Lord’s work…
Perhaps that is what the difference is…I don’t think that is what you do!?!?
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June 25, 2012 at 7:16 am
Just before despair sets in, a spark! From now on when you’re in the illiterate mode, I’ll try to ignore it, and hope for better,.
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June 25, 2012 at 11:39 am
Thank you John????
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June 25, 2012 at 5:42 am
Pat, your article illustrates how frustrating it can be for anything in Washington to happen. Money talks.
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June 25, 2012 at 8:25 am
Hello Says:
June 25, 2012 at 8:21 am
Are you here to help women or to critize the protestors? Every thing I have been reading does nothing for the men and women going in to have an abortion. All I hear is bickering back and forth about who said what, how someone looks or behaves, editorials up the gazoo. Stop already and get back doing what each of you do. Both sides need to get back on track of what their mission really is. You sure do have a knack for getting off track. Since you all seem to know one another so well why not settle this when you are together. Kate you seem to find great pleasure in hurting people the most. What brought you to that state?
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June 25, 2012 at 8:56 am
On the prolife side, H, even though we are 99% ineffective, we do try to stop many desperate and some casual people from carrying a little boy or girl into the mill where she will be slowly torn apart. That’s in addition to the back and forth bickering.
Kate and her cohorts are even less effective because all would enter anyway whether or not they were there to usher them in.
But I can hardly wait to see what Kate says about your last two sentences.
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June 25, 2012 at 10:07 am
Kathleen
You believe that a 7 week fetus is equivalent in value to a woman. I don’t. You believe that abortion is murder. I don’t. You believe that abortion is evil. I don’t. You believe I take great pleasure in hurting people. I don’t. I am simply pointing out the evil of your horrific behaviors in shaming women, invading their privacy, telling them lies, and acting as if you are moral justified in doing so. You don’t like it? Stop your horrible behavior. It’s your choice.
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June 25, 2012 at 10:33 am
Disappointing, I don’t think you answered H’s question. Also, I think you got the wrong guy for H. No ear?
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June 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Kate, I am not who you think on this blog. Please be advised and do not use my name unless you are absolutely sure. I do not wish to take credit from someone else who is not a Hallmark Card image. Thanks
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June 25, 2012 at 7:14 pm
“Kathleen, I am not who you think on this blog. Please be advised and do not use my name unless you are absolutely sure”
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June 25, 2012 at 7:56 pm
SPAM SPAM SPAM right?
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June 26, 2012 at 7:19 am
Done
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June 26, 2012 at 7:29 am
June 23, 2012 at 6:47 am
Kate, Have a rocker for me?
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Reply
Bloggingfem Says:
June 23, 2012 at 11:39 am
No, but I have an extra leash.
This is what led me to believe bloggingfem was you. Under anonymous I posted the above and bloggingfem answered. I was speaking to Kate not to you. So will the real Kate respond.
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June 26, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Let me try to clear this up. Kate Ranieri is, among other handles, Lordie, Lordie, one of the anonymouses, The Observer, Alicia, Igdorrit, Ibby, and Asia. I’ll get to her additional names later. But I’m not criticizing how people have fun — to each her own.
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June 26, 2012 at 6:17 pm
how very funny that you, dunkle, have figured out the ‘handles’ of the posters….
let’s face the truth, you cannot even see the truth when it’s printed on the page
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June 26, 2012 at 1:13 pm
“”To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true” is Aristotle’s definition of truth (Metaphysics 1011b25), and in this, The Philosopher seems to be saying that saying truth is truthful when it corresponds to the truth. This position would appear to entail a correspondence theory of truth, even though Aristotle leaves open exactly what truthfulness corresponds TO. Now THAT would be an interesting discussion
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June 26, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Ah, yes, the virtuous Kathleen, the all-knowing of Aristotle and his classical rhetoric….please share your infinite wisdom about Aristotle as it relates to abortion.
Let’s hear what you know about his lectures under the plane trees or his perspectives on logos, pathos, and ethos. Speak on, on wise one.
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June 26, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I’ll speak too, but let me google Aristotle first.
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June 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Hello, Hello~~
Look at it this way: Who is going to care for the fetus once it becomes a real child?Are you going to help the mother secure the $260,000 in care the real child will need in order to reach adulthood as a capable person? None of the self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” do; their campaign is based on repeating the Big Lie in order to meet their own needs, not the needs of human life.
If you are truly “pro-life” yourself, you will take the RESPONSIBLE Right to Life pledge and vow to raise to adulthood every “unborn human” you want “rescued.”
How many shall I put you down for?
c.g., President
(and still sole member)
RESPONSIBLE Right to Life
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June 25, 2012 at 6:16 pm
and forever sole member
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June 25, 2012 at 11:42 am
It certainly does, Kate. The interesting thing, however, is that even after NARAL dissed him, he of course continued to vote the right way and also became a leader in the pro-choice caucus.
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June 26, 2012 at 4:57 am
a masochist, right?
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June 25, 2012 at 5:53 am
Pat…you are so right!! Many of the “pro-choice groups” will drop you like a “hot rock” if you DO NOT…(blindly follow them)!! like many people that follow the “Republican Party line!!”
Most of the people that I have come into contact with over the years…have a
certain point where they are “uncomfortable” with terminating a pregnancy.!!
But… that is their “personal opinion”!! Being a REAL “pro-choice” person they would NOT try to influence the woman “unless” they felt that it would affect her health and/or safety”!!
I have NEVER understood how we can turn our backs on someone when they
have supported us over the years when they “say or do something” that is NOT… “Bullet point by bullet point” exactly what the organization says!! All of the support and good things they have done…DO NOT MATTER!!
I am always very “sad” when we turn our backs on our own!! I have a very dear friend that was “turned on” over this very same issue!! The “anti-choice” people latched on to this slogan “partial-birth” and they gave the WORLD the wrong perception about this procedure and the doctor(s) that performed them!! (Since Dr. Tiller was murdered in his church on a beautiful Sunday morning…the number of M.D.’s that are trained to do this type of abortion has decreased dramatically!!)
The most important reason of all…is the reason that this procedure was done!! The public was left with the impression that “A woman decided the week/or day before the fetus was to be born…that it NO longer worked into her plans…so she just needed to “get rid of it”!!!
The fact that numerous test, numerous doctor appts…meeting with counselor’s had happened before the woman and her partner had actually made an appt for this procedure!! The terrible problems that caused this procedure to be even considered are heartbreaking…the horrible things that were yelled at this woman and her partner on their way in to the clinic…were torture…horrific and they were “yelled by peace loving “Christians”….
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June 25, 2012 at 7:26 am
And the better has arrived, and so quickly: “Since Dr. Tiller was murdered in his church on a beautiful Sunday morning…the number of M.D.’s that are trained to do this type of abortion has decreased dramatically!!”
The people on our side who condemn what Scott did (and they are legion) would never say that, even if they knew it to be true. It takes one of the killers’ helpers, and LDM at that, to publicize what we all suspect — that only the use of force will put any real dent into the rampaging, pro-killing tank. The rest is all “feel-good-stuff” God help us.
LDM, you make my newsletter for the first time. Am I happy you didn’t go when I tried to chase you.
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June 25, 2012 at 11:47 am
Hmmmm, an interesting question: has the use of force against abortion doctors actually succeeded in reducing the number of doctors? That’s kind of a hard one to prove but I wonder if i should do some research and write about it.
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June 25, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Too hard to prove, but I think obvious. And the force would not have to include termination, even though that is the most effective way.
Stigmatization is a force that discourages many would-be killers. Back in the days MD’s who worked for insurance companies occupied the lowest rung of the medical doctors’ own ladder of esteem; nowadays, the baby-killers occupy it.
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June 25, 2012 at 10:09 am
These ‘peaceful’ protesters are not peaceful, not christians but real evil, snarky, losers who given organized religion a really bad name.
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June 25, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Righteous people irritate the wicked because you exist.
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June 25, 2012 at 6:18 pm
ooooooooooooh
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June 25, 2012 at 7:16 pm
This banter between two camps gets you where?
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June 26, 2012 at 3:29 am
Everything has to get you someplace, LL? Where does enjoying a baseball game get you?
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June 25, 2012 at 11:44 am
And what’s interesting is that just this weekend, a columnist wrote in the NY Times about how PPFA is screwing friends like Sen Susan Collins because of a bad vote or two. And now she is pissed off at them. You’re right, Lorraine, this issue is not always black and white and I think we need to give some generally solid pro-choicers some slack if they run across a difficult issue….
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June 25, 2012 at 11:50 am
I read that article too. And to think that there was a time when folks on both sides had the lofty goal of seeking common ground. Not sure that’s possible with abortion.
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June 25, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Right, not possible. Everyone agrees that it’s wrong to track down and kill an innocent person. Your side will have to do what you’ve been doing lately — dehumanize the person you’re helping to kill.
Start with “conception,” the start. Change that word to “pre-conception” maybe, or just make up a word, like biderball. Then you could say, “You did not begin to live at biderball” and avoid the obvious verbal contradiction.
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June 25, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I wholeheartedly agree with you Pat!! There needs to be some slack because #1 we can’t alienate anyone that believes that all women should have access to SAFE & LEGAL ABORTION!! Unlike the “Dunkle’s” of the world “our side” marches to many different drums!! We are NOT “brainwashed” into believing that the people are the same…we all believe that if you want “birth control you should get it…if you want an abortion you have the right to a SAFE & LEGAL one and you can love who ever you want!!”
But we do believe you need to repeat everyone with respect….I wish everyone did….
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June 26, 2012 at 2:56 am
sorry….It should say****
“But we do believe you need to “treat” everyone with respect…I wish everyone did…”
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June 25, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Not sure if you all read the Morning Call, the local rag. It reported on PA clinics being given provisional license to remain open. Even mentioned the executive director of AWC.
http://www.mcall.com/health/mc-pennsylvania-abortion-regulations-20120618,0,5562727.story
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June 25, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Thanks for telling me where, Kate, ’cause I went there and couldn’t find anything. I didn’t get much out of it though.
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June 25, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Sorry for your inability to read
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June 25, 2012 at 7:59 pm
weak
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June 25, 2012 at 9:46 pm
yes, you are… you missed a key bit of information…
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June 26, 2012 at 3:23 am
I believe that. What was it?
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June 26, 2012 at 9:31 am
I read it again and the “key bit” still escapes me. Comon now, you’re not talking to somebody smart. Gimme a break.
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June 26, 2012 at 6:14 pm
You are so self-effacing, John.
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June 26, 2012 at 6:31 pm
I had to look up self-effacing, and I like it, Now, could you speak with my wife.
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June 25, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Not sure if you all read the June 18 Morning Call, the local rag. It reported on PA clinics being given provisional license to remain open. Even mentioned the executive director of AWC.
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June 26, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Pat,
The legislation that has been put forth in the past two years, at the state and federal levels, illustrate one point you make about the overwhelming ignorance of those who consider voting for a law based on personal values. We have this silly notion that these folks are voted into office to represent their constituents. Instead they vote, all to often, with limited information. The PBA is one case in particular. At the state level, the transvaginal ultrasound was another requirement that trampled the rights of women and the legal rights physicians to make decisions about needed procedures. In Harrisburg, PA, the government, in a knee-jerk reaction to the Gosnell shop of horrors, passed a law requiring all abortion clinics to conform to ambulatory surgical clinic (ASC) standards. The state was caught with their pants down. No one in the Dept of Health had inspected Gosnell and other clinics despite complaints. In fact the Gosnell case only blew open because he was trafficking in prescription drugs. Botched abortions were a side note.
So now, a few clinics in PA have been closed and many are operating with provisional licenses while they bring their site up to code. The real kicker is that this law does not, in any way, impact the type of direct care that nurses, counselors and doctors deliver. It might make the prolife crowd happier but the law does absolutely nothing for quality care other than to make it more expensive for women who need abortions. In the meantime, the PA government is wasting serious sums of money trying to figure out how to implement this new law, money that could be better spent on helping women access family planning health care, access child care, and access early childhood education for their children.
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June 27, 2012 at 8:02 am
13. In order to facilitate the spread of abortion, enormous sums of money have been invested and continue to be invested in the . mentality”—which is very different from responsible parenthood, lived in respect for the full truth of the conjugal act—are such that they in fact strengthen this temptation when an unwanted life is conceived. Indeed, the pro- abortion culture is especially strong precisely where the Church’s teaching on contrceaption is rejected. Certainly, from the moral point of view contraception and abortion are specifically different evils: the former contradicts the full truth of the sexual act as the proper expression of conjugal love, while the latter destroys the life of a human being; the former is opposed to the virtue of chastity in marriage, the latter is opposed to the virtue of justice and directly violates the divine commandment “You shall not kill”.
But despite their differences of nature and moral gravity, contraception and abortion are often closely connected, as fruits of the same tree. It is true that in many cases contraception and even abortion are practised under the pressure of real- life difficulties, which nonetheless can never exonerate from striving to observe God’s law fully. Still, in very many other instances such practices are rooted in a hedonistic mentality unwilling to accept responsibility in matters of sexuality, and they imply a self-centered concept of freedom, which regards procreation as an obstacle to personal fulfilment. The life which could result from a sexual encounter thus becomes an enemy to be avoided at all costs, and abortion becomes the only possible decisive response to failed contraception.
The close connection which exists, in mentality, between the practice of contraception and that of abortion is becoming increasingly obvious. It is being demonstrated in an alarming way by the development of chemical products, intrauterine devices and vaccines which, distributed with the same ease as contraceptives, really act as abortifacients in the very early stages of the development of the life of the new human being.the medical treatment which may be needed by the child in the womb, all too often becomes an opportunity for proposing and procuring an abortion. This is eugenic abortion, justified in public opinion on the basis of a mentality—mistakenly held to be consistent with the demands of “therapeutic interventions”—which accepts life only under certain conditions and rejects it when it is affected by any limitation, handicap or illness.
Following this same logic, the point has been reached where the most basic care, even nourishment, is denied to babies born with serious handicaps or illnesses. The contemporary scene, moreover, is becoming even more alarming by reason of the proposals, advanced here and there, to justify even infanticide, following the same arguments used to justify the right to abortion. In this way, we revert to a state of barbarism which one hoped had been left behind forever.. False prophets and false teachers have had the greatest success”
WORDS OF POPE JOHN PAUL II
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June 27, 2012 at 11:15 am
If your intention, KR, is to hear the killers’ helpers scream, just listen.
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June 27, 2012 at 4:09 pm
.St. Thomas Aquinas confronts an abortionist
14 November 2008 in news & events, religion & spirituality, society & culture | Tags: abortion, abortionists, articles, conversion, Dominicans, life issues, Saints, world news
You read that correctly. This is an amazing story of conversion, involving one of my favorite Dominican Saints (emphases mine):
Another ‘champion of abortion’ becomes defender of life: the story of Sotjan Adasevic
Madrid, Nov 12, 2008 / 09:21 pm (CNA).- The Spanish daily “La Razon” has published an article on the pro-life conversion of a former “champion of abortion.” Stojan Adasevic, who performed 48,000 abortions, sometimes up to 35 per day, is now the most important pro-life leader in Serbia, after 26 years as the most renowned abortion doctor in the country.
“The medical textbooks of the Communist regime said abortion was simply the removal of a blob of tissue,” the newspaper reported. “Ultrasounds allowing the fetus to be seen did not arrive until the 80s, but they did not change his opinion. Nevertheless, he began to have nightmares.”
In describing his conversion, Adasevic “dreamed about a beautiful field full of children and young people who were playing and laughing, from 4 to 24 years of age, but who ran away from him in fear. A man dressed in a black and white habit stared at him in silence. The dream was repeated each night and he would wake up in a cold sweat. One night he asked the man in black and white who he was. ‘My name is Thomas Aquinas,’ the man in his dream responded. Adasevic, educated in communist schools, had never heard of the Dominican genius saint. He didn’t recognize the name.”
“Why don’t you ask me who these children are?” St. Thomas asked Adasevic in his dream.
“They are the ones you killed with your abortions,’ St. Thomas told him.
“Adasevic awoke in amazement and decided not to perform any more abortions,” the article stated.
“That same day a cousin came to the hospital with his four months-pregnant girlfriend, who wanted to get her ninth abortion—something quite frequent in the countries of the Soviet bloc. The doctor agreed. Instead of removing the fetus piece by piece, he decided to chop it up and remove it as a mass. However, the baby’s heart came out still beating. Adasevic realized then that he had killed a human being.”
After this experience, Adasevic “told the hospital he would no longer perform abortions. Never before had a doctor in Communist Yugoslavia refused to do so. They cut his salary in half, fired his daughter from her job, and did not allow his son to enter the university.”
After years of pressure and on the verge of giving up, he had another dream about St. Thomas.
“You are my good friend, keep going,’ the man in black and white told him. Adasevic became involved in the pro-life movement and was able to get Yugoslav television to air the film ‘The Silent Scream,’ by Doctor Bernard Nathanson, two times.”
Adasevic has told his story in magazines and newspapers throughout Eastern Europe. He has returned to the Orthodox faith of his childhood and has studied the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas.
“Influenced by Aristotle, Thomas wrote that human life begins forty days after fertilization,” Adasevic wrote in one article. La Razon commented that Adasevic “suggests that perhaps the saint wanted to make amends for that error.” Today the Serbian doctor continues to fight for the lives of the unborn.
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June 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Dear little brother,
You are experienced enough by now to know that the Enemy’s desire is for His followers to be either hot or cold; that if they are lukewarm He will “vomit” them from His mouth. It follows then that our desire is to make the vermin lukewarm. The lukewarm Christian is sometimes our greatest ally; not for what he does, but for what he does not. He does not commit himself fully to the Enemy’s work: what he does instead is compromise. His words speak louder than his actions. He’d rather not be “too hot” or “too spiritual” lest he offend non-Christians with the Enemy’s weighty message. (What he refuses to see, however, is that it’s this Heat which kills the Infection.) Our responsibility then is to cause the world to see this disordered, hypocritical life of double standards as representative of the Enemy and then reject Him. It is into this state of spirituality that we want you to take your patient; and especially now, seeing that you have foolishly exposed him to the workings of our most efficient 20th century annihilation machine—abortion. But first things first
FROM THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS BY C.S.LEWIS
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June 29, 2012 at 8:00 am
The silence is deafening. Where are you, killers’ helpers?
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