A short while ago, I was cable surfing when I came across a panel of speakers engaged in some kind of debate. Suddenly, I noticed that one of them was Randy Terry, the founder of the notorious anti-abortion group, Operation Rescue. The debate was amongst “alternative candidates for President” and, lo and behold, there was Randy who I soon learned was running for the DEMOCRATIC nomination for President. That’s right, he is running against President Barack Obama.
My, how the mighty have fallen.
It was in the mid 1980’s when Randy caught our attention. While there were others before him, Randy was the one who really perfected the art of organizing anti-abortion protests. In 1986, he was arrested for the first time for chaining himself to a sink at an abortion clinic. In 1990, he organized the “Summer of Mercy,” a massive anti-abortion demonstration that targeted the late Doctor George Tiller and his clinic in Wichita, Kansas. For several weeks, his minions camped out at the clinic and harassed staff and women as they entered that facility which performed late term abortions. In 1994, he was a co-defendant in NOW v Scheidler, a class action suit compelling pro-life leaders to compensate clinics for loss of business. Terry settled out of court but, instead of paying the settlement, he filed bankruptcy.
For years, his name struck terror in the hearts of abortion providers. They were always on red alert, tracking rumors about where OR would be heading next. At the clinics, they often blocked the doors, stalked staff and patients and created general havoc. However, they ultimately went overboard and, because of that (and the murders of several doctors) the Congress passed the FACE law which severely restricted their activities. In the next few years, OR became a shell of itself but not just because of the FACE law.
At some point, Randy’s personal life started falling apart. He and his wife had several foster children, including three biracial children. One of those children, Ebony, left home at the age of 16 in 1991. She converted to Islam, a religion Terry has preached is composed of “murderers” and “terrorists.” Then, Terry banned another child from his home after she became pregnant outside of marriage twice by age 18. Then, his son, Jamiel, publicly announced that he was gay in an article but before the article was published, Terry wrote an essay in which he wrote of the pain and disappointment. Then, in 2000, Terry divorced his first wife and married his former church assistant (although his feelings aboutdivorce had been so strong that when his own parents divorced he refused to let his children speak with their grandfather for three years). As a result of Terry’s divorce, the pastor of his local church tossed him out for the divorce and a “pattern of repeated and sinful relationships and conversations with both single and married women.”
Interesting set of family values, huh?
And now, the mighty Randy Terry is running a totally bogus campaign for President. At the end of this “debate” that I happened upon, the candidate sitting next to him, who was literally wearing some kind of big silly hat, stood up and started throwing confetti onto Randy’s head. It was the ultimate embarrassment. At one point, he was a worthy adversary. And now he has come to this.
Related articles
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- Kansas Revokes Doctor’s License in Abortion Case (abcnews.go.com)
- This week in the War on Women: ‘Pro-life’ terrorists score another win (dailykos.com)
- Kansas Revokes Physician’s License – for not forcing a 10 year old to give birth! (eyeonmodesto.com)
- Kansas revokes doctor’s license in abortion case (sfgate.com)
- Remembering George Tiller As Our Fight Continues (sairasays.wordpress.com)
- Kansas revokes doctor’s license in abortion case (kansas.com)




July 1, 2012 at 8:01 pm
The high point of Operation Rescue was at the Democrat Nominating convention in Atlanta around 1990. About three hundred of us were arrested. They stuck us in chicken coops outside the city because of no room in the jails — thirty or so preachers and one priest. Every evening three or four of the preachers would deliver long and powerful talks Terry would always be the last one, and by that time we’d be worn out. No matter, his was always the best. Then he’d spend the day delivering equally powerful messages to the many reporters lined up outside the fence. Twenty-nine years old and another Fulton Sheen. Lots has happened since then.
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July 2, 2012 at 6:08 am
I have to admit that Randy is a great orator and organizer. I just found it interesting, however, that while he going around preaching family value stuff he was doing just the opposite on the side. One thing is for sure, he never saw a camera he didn’t like…
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July 2, 2012 at 11:36 am
Sounds like Randy is an old loser cruiser!
Dunkle, did Randy advocate the use of Violent Forse like you do?
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July 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Neither of us does, Salvatore.
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July 2, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Dunkle why do you lie again? I have read you write about your agreement with the use of Forse…. You lose all credibility again.
Don’t you have the courage to have integrity in your conviction?
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July 3, 2012 at 4:18 am
You switched words on me here,Salvatore. Force sure, violence nyet. Violence is what you support when you insist it’s OK to tear apart babies; force is what I support when I insist it’s ok to use it to stop that.
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July 5, 2012 at 11:27 am
You are as slippery as a forked tongue snake. You are obvious to anyone that reads what you write. You advocate Homicide of innocent people. That is the force you are talking about? Everything you have done supports that.
Everything you write, your actions of worshipping murderers, burning American Flags, wanting to adopt Christian Terrorists as sons that have murdered innocents.
Why do you want to lie about the truth when you believe the truth helps your mission?
You harm yourself by all your lying, don’t you agree?
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July 5, 2012 at 11:42 am
Salvatore, rest up kid. You’re gonna have a heart attack.
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July 5, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Again you avoid the answer you slippery snake.
If you think I do not know you for what you are you are demented.
God knows you even better, and you should fear that. It is obvious that you are not one with the Lord.
Have you No desire for redemption?
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February 9, 2014 at 3:25 pm
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July 3, 2012 at 7:11 am
Surely…”Dunkle” you don’t think you deserved better accommodations do you??
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July 3, 2012 at 11:12 am
Nope, the chicken coop was the best jail I was ever in
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July 5, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Why aren’t you in Jail Now? It sounds like you should be from what I have read . . . You must be pretty smart to stay out of Jail. You know, you believe that murdering innocent people is OK, and you say you promote it. In my opinion you should be locked up before you are the next Christian Terrorist.
Your writings are like a person on the fringe about to have a flip switched to a murderous rampage with a cane and ‘Depends’.
Who changes your diapers?
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July 6, 2012 at 4:38 am
I probably shouldn’t tell you this, Salvatore, because I’ll enjoy you less if you heed the warning, but I’m a school teacher and I just can’t help it: you are falling into “the Chuckles syndrome” — every post is self-revealing.
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July 6, 2012 at 2:17 pm
You a school teacher?
Wow, they have lowered the standards about as far down as they can go.
What can you offer children.
Teach them hatred and intolerance and misogyny?
Are you a pedophile too?
Where do you teach? I am skeptical anyone would hire you full time as a school teacher. I think you are lying that you are a full time school teacher, you just are not smart enough . . .
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July 7, 2012 at 9:53 am
How you talk, Salvatore! Not all school teachers are pedophiles. Sure, ten times more are than priests. But not all of us!
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February 10, 2014 at 7:33 am
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July 5, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Why are so many Catholics Sex Offenders?
I was raped by my priest when I was young. Then the head priest covered it up. Why do Catholics do such horrible things to people?
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July 6, 2012 at 4:44 am
Hyperbole, of course, but all you have to do, Raph, is read the folks on this blog who promote free sex and child killing together, because they go together. Theirs is the pervasive attitude in America today, and Catholics fell into that pit too.
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July 6, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Catholics have been on a murderous rampage for centuries.
Do you agree?
Which off the Mass Murdering events in Catholic history do you believe is not true?
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July 7, 2012 at 10:38 am
no all of them
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July 7, 2012 at 10:39 am
I mean — no
all of them
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July 1, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Don’t say anything till I get back tomorrow evening. I’ll be in Washington protesting at the National Education Convention. These teachers are on record as helping to kill kids! That’s like trout fishermen helping to poison fingerlings.
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July 2, 2012 at 6:10 am
Go get ’em, Johnny! I”m sure you’ll have a big impact and the National Teacher’s Ass’n, or whoever is meeting, will reverse their pro-choice position in a matter of days. I can’t believe that you are wasting your time like this!
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July 2, 2012 at 7:06 am
According to Bob Pawson, NJ coordinator for prolife educators and students, “Abortion is the primary factor causing America’s economic recession. America is suffering the consequences for killing fifty-million people who are supposed to be among us today as teachers, producers, consumers, taxpayers, leaders, inventors, and problem-solvers. It’s no surprise that a nation which slaughters nearly twenty percent of its future customers, investors, and entrepreneurs also kills its own economy. Wrong moral choices have negative consequences. Evil acts generate their own punishment.”
This type of thinking is akin the the Nazi mindset that believed that desired births would serve as proverbial “fodder” for the rearming of the military.
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July 4, 2012 at 11:34 am
What a crock. As if every person born in this country will be a productive tax paying citizen. I seriously question this person’s sanity.
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July 2, 2012 at 10:54 am
Pat,
He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy.
SOCRATES
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July 2, 2012 at 11:30 am
Could you clarify?
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July 4, 2012 at 11:35 am
Kathleen, who are you (or Socrates) referring to? Dunkle? Terry? Me?
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July 4, 2012 at 2:00 pm
me
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July 4, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Dunkle of course.
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July 4, 2012 at 1:53 pm
You have to take that quote in context, Kathleen Rose– we had 55,000 die “courageously” in Vietnam because our leader lied to us. Courage combined with ignorance can be a fatal combination. Of course Socrates himself fought at Marathon….
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July 5, 2012 at 11:29 am
Good point Responsible . . .
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July 2, 2012 at 11:38 am
It’s so funny when I read that these anti abortion creeps think they actually are accomplishing anything! What a waste of life they all are.
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July 2, 2012 at 2:06 pm
stoopit
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July 5, 2012 at 11:31 am
Support why your activities are not a waste of your life . . .
That would be more impressive than your wasteful comment.
Are you intellectually up to the challenge? Everything you write says “no.”
Are you senile?
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July 5, 2012 at 11:44 am
Salvatore! Didn’t I just tell you to take a breather!
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July 5, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Dunkle,
Didn’t I tell you to stop being a Crazy Christian Terrorist?
You are intellectually inept. You prove it on every comment. You have no intellectual abilities. Show otherwise, it would be a relief from your droll comments.
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July 6, 2012 at 4:45 am
Wish I could help you out, Salvatore. You’ll just have to keep enjoying my droll comments.
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July 2, 2012 at 6:59 am
“Ah well, I suppose that’s the problem with trying to make others follow your own beliefs: what starts out as spiritual ardor too often becomes arrogance and bigotry.”
― Persia Woolley
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July 2, 2012 at 2:06 pm
who dat
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July 5, 2012 at 11:32 am
Another wasteful comment.
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July 5, 2012 at 11:34 am
I guess, Dunkle, all you have in your repertoire are dumb comments. You don’t produce anything else. Yu have no credibility, except as a person that supports violence against innocent people. THAT, you are credible.
Are you proud to support convicted Murdering Christian Terrorists?
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July 5, 2012 at 11:46 am
Three deep breaths, two glasses of water, lots of rest, and get back here tomorrow morning.
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July 5, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Another dumb comment . . . this Dunkle is a worthless Anti Abortion Terrorist. Most Violent Christians have some decent rhetoric to through around. Dunkle has nothing.
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July 5, 2012 at 2:34 pm
whew
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July 2, 2012 at 11:06 am
Therefore, Socrates realized that the death of truth would mean the death of virtue and that the death of virtue would spell the death of civilization. Socrates used an analytical method by which he sought the logic of facts. For him the logic is what is left after the facts are exhausted.
Using the Socratic method of discerning truth is to ask provocative questions.
Let’s allow the reverse order of this proven method from the “gadfly of Athens” to probe deeper into the moral logic that opposes abortion:
Claim: Don’t interfere with abortion unless you’re willing to adopt the unwanted infants.
Q: Is that like saying, “Don’t interfere with wife-beating unless you are willing to marry the victimized woman?”
Claim: Every child has the right to be a wanted child.
Q: Is a person’s value determined by another person’s desire or evaluation? What if aged parents or discarded lovers are “unwanted”?
Claim: Every woman should be allowed freedom of choice.
Q: Is that like saying, “I wouldn’t abuse a child or commit rape, but I will grant freedom of choice to others in these matters?
Claim: Every woman has the right to control her own body.
Q: Shouldn’t it have been exercised earlier? Proof of no control?
Q: Since when does anyone have absolute right of control over his/her body? Police will limit if drunk, naked, contagious, etc.
Q: When another body is involved, aren’t rights restricted? (as with rape, murder, etc.)
Claim: Termination of pregnancy, fetus, embryo, product of conception, etc.
Q: Don’t labels often deceive? Why not “poisoned,” “mutilated,” “shredded,” “killed”? (The newest proposal is to inject preborn babies with a lethal dose of potassium chloride, used to execute death row inmates, into the baby’s heart so as to steer clear of the federal partial-birth abortion ban.)
Claim: Some communities reportedly have extended a warm welcome to the idea of housing abortion clinics.
Q: Where are the voices of those who so adamantly denounced ills committed against puppies and kittens, dogs and cats? We’re talking human life now.
Claim: There are increasing numbers of clergy, politicians and citizens who state that abortion, gay marriage, and other cited moral ills are a matter of religious freedom.
Q: Could the words of the Roman philosopher and statesman, Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4? B.C. – 65 A.D.) be prophetic of this age in history, when he said that, when vice (an evil or wicked action) becomes a society’s custom or accepted convention, it is almost impossible to remove?
Claim: This is a free country where people have the right to reject religious constraints and practice a new morality (such as sex while not married and the right to eradicate any unwanted consequences/pregnancy).
Q: Is there any truth to Ronald Reagan’s quote, “If we ever forget that we are ‘One Nation Under God,’ then we will be one nation gone under?”
The Rev. Monty Casebolt leads the Livingston Bible Church.
The Faith & Values column appears regularly in the Saturday Life section The Billings Gaz
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July 2, 2012 at 11:33 am
And Apollo pulled the Sun across the sky in a gigantic Chariot.
Why not write with a contemporary sensibility?
Is Abortion OK for a Cornual Pregnancy?
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July 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm
“Cornual”? Is that like ectopic? Hold on, I’ll google it. Kate, bet if I asked Salvatore to do it for me, he’d get his tights in a wad, uh, what’s that term you’re fond of?
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July 2, 2012 at 2:21 pm
OK, back, similar to ectopic — the child is growing outside the uterus, usually in the fallopian tube. If something is not done, the tube will burst. Both people will then die. At this stage in the development of medicine, the carrier’s lie can be saved by the removal of the pathologically damaged tube. The baby will of course die.
The way we understand “abortion” today, Salvatore, is that the baby is intentionally destroyed.
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July 2, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Again, Dunkle you reveal your ignorance in the realm of discussion that you have dogmatic opinions. The true sign of someone who is not intelligent enough to comment properly. Take care of 500 Cornual Pregnancies, then you will understand so we can have an educated discussion. It is embarrassing for you as you are so inferior in knowledge, yet you make wild conclusions with no real experience. You are an extremely dangerous person.
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July 2, 2012 at 7:10 pm
stoopit, stoopit
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July 5, 2012 at 11:36 am
Again you reply without any intelligence when presented with objective information. It is crystal clear that your cognition has failed you. You cannot keep up with the conversation so you resort to tactics of an elementary school child.
How are your ‘Depends’ working for you?
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July 5, 2012 at 11:53 am
We’ll ignore this when you return tomorrow a.m., Salvatore. We’ll start with July 4.
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July 5, 2012 at 2:02 pm
More proof that Dunkle cannot hold his end of a conversation. Dunkle, are you as illiterate as you appear?
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July 4, 2012 at 3:44 am
I’m trying to make your first sentence readable, Salvatore. Can you help me out?
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July 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm
More dumb comments. Truly the sign of someone not capable of keeping up intellectually with the conversation . . .
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July 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Ok, ok. I’ll do it. And now, not tomorrow morning, cause I have a few extra minutes. But the rest will have to wait.
Here it is: “Again, Dunkle you reveal your ignorance in the realm of discussion that you have dogmatic opinions.” Choose your favorite:
1 Dunkle, in any discussion your dogmatic opinions reveal your ignorance.
2 Dunkle, your dogmatic ignorance becomes apparent in any discussion.
3 Dunkle, you’re obviously really stupid.
Oops, gotta go, guests have arrived. But you get the idea, don’t you, Salvatore? Try a few yourself.
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July 3, 2012 at 8:39 am
Is abortion in the Constitution? How did the 5 justices arrive at this newly discovered “right” to choose? They said that there was an implied “right to privacy” in the constitution, and this means that abortion is now a newly discovered American right. Now that is a huge leap of logic. There is no specified right to privacy in the Constitution, and there is no specified right to an abortion in the Constitution. So an implied right to privacy means it’s now OK to kill your baby in the womb. And how does all of this square with the inalienable “right to life” that IS in the Constitution? It seems to be ignored.
All of this crazy logic occurred less than 10 years after “the pill” was marketed openly in the US. The Pill, which keeps women from getting pregnant even if they have sex, separated the procreational aspects of sex from the pleasurable aspects of sex, something that God put together for a reason when he invented sex. The pill thus became an escape mechanism for men to have recreational sex with women, a great tool indeed for horny males who only wanted to use women for their pleasure. For some reason, women seemed to go along with the use of their bodies for male pleasure, but at a great risk. That risk would be venereal disease, which the pill never addressed. Venereal disease is proof positive that recreational sex is not of God, but of the devil, who loves to give it to his unknowing servants on earth as a reward for their tomcatting around.
AUTHOR UNKNOWN
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July 3, 2012 at 8:51 am
As usual, women are forgotten in this dreary land of uptight, religionists. The pill gave women the control they so longed for regarding sex and family planning. While there’s no doubt that some men saw the pill as the green light for recreational sex, there’s also no doubt that women found the pill pretty damn handy.
All this gibberish about procreational vs recreational sex is just your way of letting the world know how a pedantic prude disregards the glories of a sexual union—as a religionist might say, the God-created glories of a sexual union
tsk, tsk away
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July 5, 2012 at 11:39 am
Wonderful response.
It is amazing how dangerous and disingenuous the Anti Abortion crowd is.
It is amazing how poorly educated and misinformed they are.
Their thought processes warped by the magical beliefs of their numerous mutually exclusive religious systems.
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July 5, 2012 at 11:54 am
EC, are you also Salvatore?
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July 5, 2012 at 2:05 pm
JD are you also Paul Hill the murderous Christian Anti Abortion Terrorist?
Or are you your own Murdering Christian Anti Abortion Terrorist?
It seems you Love your Murderous Catholic Church.
Isn’t that correct?
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July 6, 2012 at 4:49 am
three no’s
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July 6, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Dunkle – caught lying again . . .
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July 3, 2012 at 8:42 am
And when the pill fails, which it does from time to time, the next alternative to escape responsibility for fornication or adultery morphed into the killing of the innocent baby. It seems that in every country where contraception became legal, abortion soon followed. Once sex became a sport instead of a way to sanctify one’s marriage, nothing would stand in the way of pleasure, even killing. Pope Paul VI warned all of us of this in 1968, with his Humane Vitae encyclical, but he was severely chastised for this, even from his own Canadian bishops, and many earthy priests. The grisly deaths of 50 million dead Americans testify to the horrors predicted by this great Pope.
Sadly, many women put their faith in the Supreme Court, rather than in the Supreme Being, God, who said in Exodus 20:13, “Thou shalt not kill
Human Life International
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July 3, 2012 at 8:53 am
Women put their faith in themselves….real women with real lives, not some hocus pocus woman-hating nazi pope
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July 3, 2012 at 11:17 am
Coming from a man-hating nazi woman, that’s quite an indictment.
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July 5, 2012 at 11:43 am
Well stated Bloggingfem.
JD, simply reveals his misogyny again.
Once again the only retort from the Anti Abortion Terrorist is silly childish nonsense. History will not remember him. Only Christian Terrorists will remember for a few years then he will be forgotten. Those very few that do will know that he was a crazy fool.
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July 5, 2012 at 11:55 am
History won’t remember me? Don’t say that, Evi. That’s crushing.
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July 5, 2012 at 2:06 pm
He is only telling the truth . . . Dunkle will Rot in Hell with all the infamous harbingers of Ill will represented by the face of religious zealots.
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July 6, 2012 at 4:55 am
Salvatore, you gotta be EC. No two people could hate so similarly. Well, let me take that back. At times Kate can match you.
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July 4, 2012 at 9:57 am
Abortion has been around for centuries. Good grief, where do you get your information?
Interesting that when sex is within the confines of marriage, it’s good; when it’s outside marriage, it’s bad….you call it fornication. I got news for you—married couples fornicate.
Sex for sport has been around for centuries as well. Gadfries, your information would be laughable if it weren’t so utterly devoid of facts.
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July 4, 2012 at 11:26 am
Abortion has been around for centuries. But it wasn’t till the Americans made it legal that the real killing began.
Antisemitism has been around for centuries. But it wasn’t till the
Germans made it legal that the real killing began.
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July 5, 2012 at 11:48 am
The Lord of the Bible was right to kill all the innocent babies, women and children. And innocent men too.
JD is really a dummy, the Egyptian rulers many thousands of years ago made killing Jews legal.
The Catholics did it for centuries as well. Catholics murdered millions including innocent women and children.
The Catholics killed more than anyone. This Nazi thing is Nothing compared to the Catholic Genocide and Mass Murder over centuries.
Facts are facts. It sucks. But that is what happened johnny baby boy.
Maybe we can inject some stem cells in you so you can grow some brain power?
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July 5, 2012 at 11:57 am
creepy
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July 5, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Yes, Your Catholic Church is very Creepy.
What part of all the Catholic murder do you disagree with?
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July 5, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Just to let everyone know I did not write this.
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July 4, 2012 at 11:30 am
Rage, rage against the Lying of the Right
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July 4, 2012 at 2:04 pm
That’s good, that’s good, Kate. I wish I had your talent. You wish you had my truth.
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July 3, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Here’s a great link from a woman who lost 2.
http://findingmymuchness.com/blog/2012/07/03/what-mother-two-dead-babies-look-like/#.T_MPlc_dIv4.facebook
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July 4, 2012 at 7:00 am
I think at this point you all need to read this lesson I distributed to my religion class a while ago:
62. 5/18/12 I’m interrupting our study of the “Our Father” with this writing that should have been inserted near paragraph 1601, but it’s too important to leave till we get there again:
. . . . The wholeness of the woman can be terrifying to a man. After all, from the viewpoint of sexuality, the role he plays is very limited compared with that of his counterpart. Her sexual repertoire goes far beyond that of the male and includes conception, implantation, pregnancy, gestation, labor, delivery, lactation, and breastfeeding. She is like the Queen Bee in comparison to the male drone. How important it is, then, for the man to recognize, appreciate, and honor the highly diversified sexual wholeness of the woman.
There is a passage of extraordinary moral insight in James Joyce’s Ulysses, one of the most difficult to comprehend books ever written. In the “Oxen of the Sun” episode, some students are declaring their support for contraception: “Copulation without population,” they chant. But Stephen Dedalus, who is in their midst, disagrees with them because he is wary of separating sex from fecundity. He states in typical Joycean fashion, “But, gramarcy, what of those Godpossibled souls that we nightly impossibilize, which is a sin against the Holy Ghost, Very God, Lord and Giver of life. In her lay a Godframed Godgiven preformed possibility which thou hast fructified with thy modicum of man’s work. Cleave to her! Serve!” To contracept is to rebuke a woman for being a woman.
Fresh language can revive ideas that have gone stale. Joyce is trying to awaken us, perhaps even resurrect us from the dead. Dedalus (which stands for “Dead-all-of-us,” a judgment against the unthinking masses) does not want to free women from their fertility to make them more male-like; he wants to honor them in their extraordinary capacity for life-initiating, love-receiving, and person-developing. A woman, in this physiological sense, is a true virtuoso. She commands profound respect. Therefore, the freedom that the immature students are urging is a false freedom because it makes the woman less free since it reduces her to something less than what she is.
Contraception, therefore, is a deprivation. Because the woman’s body is “preformed” by God, and because she is in touch with the “Giver of life,” to sin against the woman is also to sin against her God. Contraception, then, is both contra-woman as well as contra-God.
It is critical that the man honors the sexual breadth of the woman and not use contraception to cut her down to his size. As soon as a man has this respect, even reverence, for the woman, the use of the contraceptive becomes repugnant to him. . . .
I had to read the Joyce passage seven times before its beauty struck home. Although I love Portrait of the Artist and the short stories, I’d never been able to understand the older Joyce; but now, in my 78th year, I shall begin with Ulysses and read each passage seven times. Then, in my 98th, I will begin Finnegan’s Wake.
And remember, Joyce condemns contraception here decades before another Catholic, John Rock, invented the “pill.” In Joyce’s day they didn’t realize that some “contraceptives” did not actually contracept but killed. In this day of the pill, 90% of “contraceptives” actually kill, and we all know it.
I read this first to somebody whose name I won’t mention. She said, “I didn’t know Joyce was a moralizer.” So, you have to decide: do you think that the Joyce passage is one of “extraordinary moral insight” or do you think it’s an example of moralizing. next class, paragraphs 2803-2854
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July 4, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Yes, we can’t really appreciate a woman who is not pregnant, because we men will never be pregnant ourselves.
If we were able to be pregnant, however, we’d realize what a load of crap that passage is, because we’d know we can’t make someone else’s pregnancy romantic for them.
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July 4, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Whoa! James Joyce doesn’t write “a load of crap,” Chuckles does that.
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July 5, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Mr. Dunkle, the load of crap was written by the person interpreting Joyce’s passage. Dedalus (sic) is a fictional character who is open to critical interpretation; Joyce cannot be faulted for presenting the character as he is. Whoever wrote the exegesis wrote a load of crap. You’ve been away from teaching English too long.
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July 6, 2012 at 5:04 am
Chuck, Chuck, my post closed with two rather long for me paragraphs about what Joyce wrote. Any normal reader would know that your response, “what a load of crap that passage is,” applies to what Joyce wrote. You’re goofy, sure, but you don’t usually lie.
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July 6, 2012 at 9:34 am
Oh, it was YOU who wrote the exegesis? Sorry; I thought that was a cut and paste you did.
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July 5, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I am proud of Dunkle’s religion class. It is very well done.
Dunkle has promoted my cause well.
Dunkle is one of my best servants.
One day I will have him in my grasp very soon.
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July 4, 2012 at 11:21 am
Hypocrisy Watch
Ryan & Toomey: Hurting hungry people
Christians for a Change continues to highlight two leading Members of Congress today who spearheaded House and Senate legislation to make dangerous funding cuts to the federal government’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).
They worked to cut billions from food stamps for the needy while supporting multi-billion dollar subsidies for oil companies and ongoing tax breaks for American millionaires.
“There is no more basic teaching of Jesus than to feed the hungry,” said Reverend Mark Sandlin, board member of Christians for A Change. “These political leaders cannot have it both ways. They are wrapping themselves in a mistaken view of Christianity to justify divisive and dangerous policies for our nation. When they are pursuing selfish priorities that enrich their corporate backers and the wealthy, they can’t hide behind the cloak of Jesus.”
Christians for A Change highlighted Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Senator Pat Toomey (R-PA) as two of the leading architects and sponsors in the House and Senate of the plan to cut food assistance for lower-income Americans while supporting special policies to benefit the wealthiest few.
“Congressman Ryan and Senator Toomey could end up being responsible for millions of Americans having less food on the table during these difficult economic times,” said Charles Toy, Christians for A Change board member. “Their misguided policies would literally take food out of the mouths of hungry children and senior citizens in this country, but they try to justify it with Christian principles. They are hurting hungry people while they seek to extend and expand tax breaks for billionaires, millionaires and large corporations.”
“A person’s faith is central to how they conduct themselves in public and in private,” Congressman Ryan said on April 23. We agree. That’s why progressive Christians across America have been demanding that Paul Ryan stop trying to hurt poor people under the guise of Christianity. Numerous Jesuit clergy and Catholic university faculty members have condemned Ryan’s budget and criticized him for claiming that it is based in Catholic social teaching. Various other Christian leaders and community-based agencies serving the hungry and low-income populations have pointed out the devastating impact Ryan’s budget will have on their organizations’ attempts to help families through these difficult economic times.
Senator Pat Toomey has shamelessly used religion to divide people throughout his congressional career and enjoyed the support of the right-wing Christian Coalition and Family Resource Council in his efforts. “It’s all about protecting our Christian heritage,” Toomey said in 2007. “And, a culture that is under assault.” But Toomey ignores critical tenets of Christian teaching when it comes to the federal budget. Toomey not only pushed for a billions in cuts to nutrition programs this year, he’s been fighting against hungry people for more than a decade. In 2002, Toomey opposed making recently arrived immigrant children and the disabled eligible for food stamps. He also tried to block food aid for refugees and legal permanent residents who had lived in the U.S. for five years or had worked here for four years.
American voters are hungry for fairness and a genuine commitment to serving all our citizens equally. Congressman Paul Ryan and Senator Pat Toomey have failed that test miserably.
From Christians for a Change
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July 4, 2012 at 11:43 am
Wow, a lot of heavy stuff going on here. And welcome, Kathleen Rose, to the fray. You sound rather intelligent. To me, we will never “resolve” the moral issues related to abortion. There is not one sole source who determines what is moral or not (I know, I know, there is your God but I’m sorry, many people do not subscribe to your God). To me, legal abortion is a matter of protecting the health of women. There are always women today and in the past who for one reason or another feel they must abort and history has shown that they will go to great lengths to do so. Often with fatal conswquences to the woman. Does that FACT not concern you, Kathleen?
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July 4, 2012 at 1:57 pm
On our nation’s birthday, let us remember women AND children. Let the United States continue to be a place where every child is wanted and loved. Let us celebrate being a mother because we want to be not because we are forced to be.
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July 4, 2012 at 2:01 pm
In the matter of great orators, it’s always interesting to think of the audience whom they don’t appeal to: People who are not moved by a speaker are much more likely to think critically about the message. Hitler was a compelling speaker, but those who did not come under his sway could objectively evaluate not only what he was saying but also why he was so effective. The same goes for FDR.
I am sure that someone who has listened to Randy (he lived up to his name, didn’t he?) Terry could do the same. I get his e-mails but am not predisposed to succumbing to his pitch, which is along the lines of the late famous Dutch preacher, Reverend Ike: “Send me money, and I will PRAY for you!”
Randy gave his followers permission to vent and hate, which they did, and it is an indication, as Alice Miller pointed out in “For Your Own Good: The hidden Cruelties of Child-Rearing,” that they learned in childhood that they needed permission from an authority to express their feelings. As I’ve often said, the so-called “pro-life” movement is a dysfunctional self-help program…
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July 4, 2012 at 2:16 pm
I can’t handle all this literacy. Get back here you illiterates so I can have some fun.
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July 5, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Thanks Salvatore, EC, Kathleen. That’s what I’m talking about.
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July 5, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Thank you John for your continued effort to be the best of my minions.
You will be rewarded in my fiery inferno.
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July 5, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Kathleen Rose, here’s a question to add to your Socratic dialogue: “What is there to be said about people who only care for a being they call human, but who have no ability whatsoever to nurture it, because it is in someone else’s womb and who do not demonstrate a corresponding passion about real human beings who have been born?”
By the way, Socrates NEVER considered the first answer to a question was sufficient for learning.
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July 5, 2012 at 10:18 pm
But, simple as she may be, the first answer, if it is appealing, may be accepted. We cannot account for the mistress of copying and pasting.
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July 6, 2012 at 5:12 am
I’d better say something here, Chuck; otherwise, the illiterate above will have the last word.
The question you ask KR — why do you care for people before, but not after, they’re born? — is another lie. KR and people like her do care for folks after they’re born. We haven’t yet made it legal to kill the post-borns, though, so right now they are focusing their energies in trying to protect those we have made it legal to kill.
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July 6, 2012 at 9:32 am
Kathleen, another question for your Socratic dialogue: Why do people who call themselves “pro-life” NEVER pledge to raise to adulthood every “unborn human” they want “rescued?”
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