Abortion
About a year ago, I learned that there is a website which has photos of crime scenes. They are the pictures that are taken by the police when they arrive at the site of a murder. At this horrifying website, you can see the tortured bodies of the victims of Charlie Manson, Ted Bundy and O.J. Simpson. It’s horrific – and I won’t give you the address.
I started thinking about that website after the massacre in Newtown. In particular, in a goulish moment I started to envision what the first policeman saw when he entered that classroom, what it must have looked like to see the bodies of those little children riddled with bullets.
We all know that the gun control debate has heated up and, as a gun control advocate, I support stricter controls on guns. I realize that it’s not the magic answer but I think it should be harder to get a gun and bullets than to get a prescription renewed. And when it comes to trying to persuade our legislators to support more restrictions, I think they should see exactly what happens when someone uses bullets in a rapid fashion. They should see the bodies of the children. Oh, sure, I can imagine the gun control lobby balking at such a drastic tactic but perhaps the shock of the photos would finally result in some action.
This situation reminds me a lot of the constant debate within the pro-choice movement over whether or not they should display the photos of the bodies of women who died from illegal abortions. I’ve seen a few of them. The pictures are old, of course, because they are from the 1950’s or 1960’s and they are very grainy. They are pictures of women lying in a pool of their own blood, the result of an illegal abortion performed by an untrained “abortionist” or a self-induced abortion where the woman used a coat hanger or a chemical concoction. They are horrific images.
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But, perhaps like the gun control lobby, the pro-choice movement – most of them at least – are far too civil to resort to using these images to make their point. The point, of course, is that before abortion was legalized many, many women died or were injured as a result of illegal abortions performed by themselves or by unqualified people. And we spend a lot of time talking about the days of illegal abortions but talking does not have the same impact as observing the result. When you see a woman – or a child – lying in a pool of their own blood it has to have an impact. Reality can be horrifying.
Maybe it’s time for gun control and abortion rights advocates to get down and dirty, to shock the public, to make them more aware of the horrors that can be caused by a semi-automatic weapon or a coat hanger.
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January 6, 2013 at 10:28 am
This makes me sick.
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January 6, 2013 at 1:45 pm
What makes you sick, Anonymous?
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January 6, 2013 at 4:24 pm
If that makes you sick, how bout what was posted here. Someone saying “you’re baby is going to look like road kill” if you go in there. Now that is sick!!!!!!
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January 7, 2013 at 9:31 am
Anonymous, i am confused. Where are you getting this “road kill” line? Please explain!
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January 7, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Then there’s the gruesome gorilla named Joyce who loved to tell women that the doctor would “turn your baby into baby roadkill.” So you see,you can’t trust these folks
The above statement can be found on “Ethics 101, January 3, 2013
in a remark made by drk8thebloggingfem: Check it out. You ought to read more Pat, you are not up to speed. The remark was posted on January 5, 2013 at 5:20 P.M.
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January 7, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Ah, yes, the lovely Joyce Mazalewski, of Orefield,PA, married to a man who has a business called Andalusia. A woman who doesn’t work for any profit but who works the bible/rosary thumping system, a woman treats women at abortion clinics really badly. She’s the one who invented the baby road kill drama. Don’t believe it? I have video footage of the woman working the streets like no other. She would make most catholic churches cringe….
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January 8, 2013 at 6:25 pm
B. R. K. Quite a visual isn’t it? Yes it’s quite myopic how you pro-deathers are not offended when beautiful and innocent growing babies in their mother’s wombs are dismembered, beheaded, deboweled, and sometimes burned from the inside out like a charcoal briquette and tossed away as infectious waste (let’s not forget some of them of certain gestational age are $old to universities and hospitals) and then scream foul when someone puts a descriptive adjective on the end product. Why don’t you put your anger where it really should be focused – the innocent human life that gets deboweled at killing mills. Face it Kate your end product is ugly, hideous, and very sad indeed on every level – moral, spiritual, and physical.
Oh and by the way don’t forget that every day of your life God is watching your life’s footage and you will be held accountable to him for your own sins of commission, omission and most especially your rabidly pro-death stance. You need to pray for discernment and some holy fear of the Lord. God will not be mocked. Please know that God is pro-life and desires that you repent of this evil. It is truly misguided. You are on the broad road Kate leading to Gehenna.
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January 10, 2013 at 8:45 am
Just Saying, can you think of a better anonymous name so it seems you are not just an avatar? Just easier to communicate.
Anyway, do you think Abortion is ever OK?
It seems like you don’t by the way you commented . . .
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January 10, 2013 at 7:59 pm
You just have to be more specific and maybe helpful by providing links or additional information. Your remarks were entirely too vague and hard to understand without more information, that’s all. Thanks for finally clearing things up….but it wasn’t because we weren’t up to speed — it was because the remark you made was too nebulous.
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January 7, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Anonymous, can you be more specific?
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January 6, 2013 at 11:03 am
Many historians and visual communication scholars point to particular iconic images for their ability to emotionally move people to action. Like Nick Ut’s naked, burned Vietnamese girl in “Accidental Napalm” and Kevin Carter’s Pulitzer prize-winning photograph of a vulture stalking a starving Sudanese child, the images produce a moral conundrum for the photographers to show representations of reality and to potentially alienate their viewers. Dead bodies have been used as news journalism and as propaganda tools. But the use of the grotesque has worked as a mobilizing tactic to shock, inform, discomfort and stigmatize others. Ut’s image has been considered a turning point in the Vietnam War while Carter’s image was a catalyst in bringing the plight of the starving to agencies that would help.
So, it might be that we consider showing the dead and mutilated bodies—killed by guns and abortion—illegal or not. We could consider them war trophy photographs, to serve as symbols of power, as an affirmation of fighting against gun lovers and anti abortion activists. After all, many policies were made on the basis of emotional responses, without the sensibilities of laws, science, ethics or medical knowledge. Just remember the partial birth abortion debacle. Or recall all the battles fought against women’s reproductive rights over the past years that have absolutely nothing to do with science or medicine—just somebody’s personal religious views and basic misogyny.
So, indeed, let’s show the images of the children shot in the head several times. Circulate their images, like the anti abortion protesters do, on web sites, in pamphlets and roadside banners. Play videos with extreme close ups of those who were murdered in the Colorado theater. But let’s not forget the less publicized shootings and beatings that take place in our cities and domestic spaces. Let’s gather their images as well.
Let’s show women’s bodies after they have suffered from unsafe and illegal abortions. According to the Guttmacher Institute, approximately 219 women die worldwide each day from an unsafe abortion. With that many dead bodies, their images would give us plenty of material to work with, to post on our blogs and web sites and to add to our pamphlets and posters. Imagine counter protesters outside abortion clinics and Catholic churches wearing canvas aprons around their necks with images of naked, bloody dead women with the words “Keep Abortion Safe” written in large letters. It borders on pornographic, unethical and downright obscene. But it also is what the anti abortionists do every day.
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January 7, 2013 at 9:35 am
Great points, kate. I remember the debates in the conference rooms of the pro-choice organizations and most of the leaders were concerned about using the photos lest they “offend” their own supporters. I heard many time the argument that “we dont want to get down to their level. We’re better than that.” I think the problem we have today is we clean everything up for the most part, again, lest we offend anyone. But I will say that this horrific website really opened my eyes. When you see what is really happening, you just cannot forget it.
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January 7, 2013 at 2:51 am
Well, as far as “building a bridge” to the self-proclaimed “pro-lifers,” it’s not going to be helpful. They’ll just say it’s part of God’s inscrutable plan… If you want to build a bridge, publish the names of all of them and their daughters who have had abortions, like Susan Carpenter MacMillan…
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January 7, 2013 at 6:09 am
I read a piece about your candidate that began “Conservative pundits often make assertions at odds with undisputed facts, hoping they won’t get caught. If someone calls them on it, then these blabmeisters will blurt out the most ridiculous things to try to wiggle out of the situation.” Apparently, Susan made a fool of herself on Fox News. She’s like so many of the conservative “blabmeisters” who call themselves prolife and say stupid stuff that is, at the news sources says, at odds with disputed facts. She claimed to be anti abortion till the L. A. news reported that she had an abortion in college. Then she spun her story differently to wiggle out of the situation. The anti abortionists don’t even try to wiggle out of stuff. They just remain resolute in their fictional orbit.
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January 7, 2013 at 9:40 am
I must be getting old cause I dont even remember this MacMillan person. Maybe its fodder for your next column, Kate. Never hurts to remind folks of past history. And, by the way, welcome back Charles. It’s been a while. Hope everything is okay with you!
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January 7, 2013 at 4:40 pm
This post of yours is the first one I’ve gotten in several weeks. Normally they arrived automatically, but then they stopped. I thought you’d gone on sabbatical or something. Maybe the missing ones had some trigger that sent them over the spam cliff. Glad to be back in the loop!
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January 11, 2013 at 11:23 am
Sorry about that Charles. Not sure what happened…
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February 8, 2014 at 5:14 pm
My god, please tell me you’re not alulacty THAT paranoid and ignorant! Guess what? The insurance companies are already doing this. You know what else the Nazi’s did? They breathed oxygen. So if you breathe oxygen, are you committing genocide? What if the air fills with a deadly toxin that kills us all? The only solution: Don’t breathe! Ever.I’d suggest you take the aluminum foil off your head long enough to listen to the facts before you start wondering if President Obama is really just Saddam Hussein wearing a really clever disguise. +1Was this answer helpful?
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January 7, 2013 at 9:37 am
I’m not particularly interested in building any bridges, i’m interested in affecting the course of the debate. We read about the people murdered in Newton and Aurora, we see their pictures when they were alive. I really do believe that the public needs to see what these murderous whackos – and their guns – are doing to people!
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February 11, 2014 at 3:22 pm
My daughter woudln’t be afraid to tell me anything. You see, what the left doesn’t seem to realize is that being a Conservative is not about being perfect, but it is about taking responsibility for your actions. If you are old enough to have sex, you are old enough to have a child, and in a family environment with a loving mom and dad, a baby brought into the world does not represent shame. Please go research the issue, 85% of the 40M abortions performed since Roe v Wade were African Americans – how is that right?
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January 7, 2013 at 5:41 am
Pat, you might be on to something!! I can tell you that whenever I think of or hear someone talk about illegal abortion…my minds-eye goes straight to the picture of:
Gerri Santoro…in June 1964 she was found dead from an illegal abortion on a Norwich, Connecticut motel room floor. She was identified by her sister as Gerri Santoro, a mother of two facing her third pregnancy. Santoro and her two daughters had been victims of an abusive husband/father. Santoro was just 28 years old, and was 6.5 months pregnant with her secret lover’s baby. He took her to the motel, and fled when the self-induced abortion went wrong, abandoning dying Santoro behind. (He was arrested but served only a year for manslaughter).
That picture has haunted me for years…I am also a woman that had an illegal abortion…”There but for the grace of God, goes I”!!
So I do think that putting pictures to the words…”back-ally abortions”…the
“coat hanger abortions” for younger women of today that have always had the right to SAFE & LEGAL ABORTION and just DO NOT believe that right will ever be taken away!! Maybe these pictures of NOT so many years ago…will open more eyes and make more VOTERS…VOTE these people out of office/or keep them from being elected to an office… before it is too late!!! If we forget the “horror’s of “our” past…we are destined to repeat them”!!
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January 7, 2013 at 5:59 am
Lorraine,
It’s been my observation that the abortion protesters deny the gravity of illegal abortions. They repeatedly minimize the number of deaths perhaps because Santoro became the only one on the visual storyboard of history.
What’s missing, besides the sheer numbers, are the complications of illegal abortions such as
Pelvic abscess
Septicemia
Lacerated cervix
Perforated bowel
Exsanguination
Gangrene
What’s missing then as now is the public outcry for women, for dead and permanently physically damaged women/mothers/sisters/friends/daughters. Instead, there’s stigma and shaming from ignorant, hateful people.
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January 7, 2013 at 7:06 am
Those are pictures to use….
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February 10, 2014 at 7:14 pm
Michael, Michael, Michael, your still killing a born proesn who grew to adulthood and he/she may be innocent since DNA analysis has cleared a number of death row inmates! We won’t even get into such factors as race, childhood experience, learning disabilities, borderline retardation, etc.
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January 7, 2013 at 8:37 am
Is there a URL that I can point someone to that disputes that illegal abortions occur, they will always occur when access to abortion is restricted, and women will suffer as a result? AntiAbortioners are a real pain when they will not admit this is reality.
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January 7, 2013 at 9:47 am
Great question, Clark! I know the Alan Guttmacher Institute puts out some very general info on illegal abortions but, of course, the info relates to other countries where abortion is illegal. And still, the numbers are not very good. I wonder if there are still illegal abortions in this country? Are there still women who perform self induced abortions??
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January 7, 2013 at 9:45 am
One of the other problems is that Bernie Nathanson, the doctor who used to perform abortions and who helped found NARAL, years later when he turned he said that NARAL exaggerated the number of illegal aboritons while he was there. But I love how the implication is always “well, thousands didn’t die each year – ONLY a few did.” And today, when there is a death, as Lorraine knows, it is a horrific thing that makes “news” among the abortion provider community….
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January 7, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Nathanson isn’t the only turncoat who spins stories. Just look at Abby Johnson, the former Planned Parenthood employee, about to be fired from her job, who walked over to the other side for more money and more fame for telling whooper tales. But once a loser at PP, always a loser. She’s just a pretty face with an empty head.
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January 8, 2013 at 6:37 pm
You guys ought to read Nathanson’s book, “The Hand of God.” He talks about how they told the lie over and over time and again and just hoped no one (esp. the Catholic Church) would call them out on it and luckily for them no one did. Gee you really are heartless – it’s all or nothing with you Kate. My God, he was the abortion hero – he even aborted one of his own children!! Can’t you cut the guy a break? I mean really, he did things that you applaud – killed thousands of babies in his tenure plus started NARAL and influenced many young minds in his path.
Oh further note, he repented of all of his abortion evils and became a Catholic. He died in peace. No torment.
How about you guys? Any of you have any peace ardently defending baby killing??
You also influence many young minds Kate. You will be held accountable for each one before God at your judgment. I pray that He has great mercy.
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January 10, 2013 at 8:48 am
Just Saying,
What Malevolent deity do you prostrate yourself under . . . ? There are a lot of Gods out there that are worshiped, all claiming to be the One True God, and each having unique mutually exclusive paths to salvation.
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January 10, 2013 at 11:13 am
Keep those prayers and checks coming!
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January 10, 2013 at 1:31 pm
I do not criticize Bernie for “going to the other side.” That’s his right. go for it. But I was involved with NARAL for many years on the national level and he is the only person I ever heard talk about inflating the numbers. But that still begs the question. Whatever the numbers (and one it soo much) why dont the pro-lifes admit that more women certainly died or were harmed when abortion was illegal?
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January 10, 2013 at 8:06 pm
I suspect for every Nathanson, there are 50 Forced Birthers who finally come to their senses and decide that every individual woman has the right to make up her own mind whether or not she wants a LEGAL abortion.
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January 10, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Your Religion Offends Me
You Offend Me
You are Offensive
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January 7, 2013 at 9:42 am
Wow, I had never heard of that story, Lorraine. Thanks for sharing. I can also see how it haunts you. I guess you were “lucky” that you had a “better” experience. I still think, however, that the mainstream pro-choice groups would shy away from using the photos. Remember all of those “white gloved ladies” that they get their money from!
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January 7, 2013 at 5:41 am
It’s sick that people don’t feel the same revulsion over the murder of unborn children as they do for the murder of children that made it to grade school.
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January 7, 2013 at 6:01 am
No fetus is the moral equivalent to a grade school child. Ever. The sick revulsion is on those who believe they are equivalent.
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January 9, 2013 at 10:12 am
One is just bigger than the other. Period.
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January 10, 2013 at 8:51 am
JS, it seems you know nothing about biology.
Tell us about the difference of the plasticity of Hebbian neuron weighting, if you believe that one is bigger than the other . . .
Reveal you have some knowledge, before you spew your nonsense.
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January 10, 2013 at 8:08 pm
No adult is equivalent to a mindless, insensate fetus either. Read a biology book JS.
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January 7, 2013 at 8:39 am
“Unborn Children?”
What does that phrase even mean?
By definition children have already been born, and for quite some time already.
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January 7, 2013 at 9:51 am
Good point, Clark. I gotta hand it to the anti abortion folks, however, they are very good at coming up with some good phrases (e.g.., “partial birth abortion,” “pro-life”). All we got is “pro-choice.”
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January 7, 2013 at 9:18 pm
The grunts in the anti abortion industry are dumb as dirt. They’re not the ones creating clever labels.
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February 8, 2014 at 7:56 pm
My god, please tell me you’re not acltlauy THAT paranoid and ignorant! Guess what? The insurance companies are already doing this. You know what else the Nazi’s did? They breathed oxygen. So if you breathe oxygen, are you committing genocide? What if the air fills with a deadly toxin that kills us all? The only solution: Don’t breathe! Ever.I’d suggest you take the aluminum foil off your head long enough to listen to the facts before you start wondering if President Obama is really just Saddam Hussein wearing a really clever disguise. +1Was this answer helpful?
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January 7, 2013 at 9:49 am
Why do you insist on being “anonymous?” What are you afraid of? Anyway, an 8 week fetus is the same as that 7 year old kid who was doing a math lesson and got murdered in cold blood? Please…..
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January 7, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Anonymous, c’mon, at least place a fake name … How can we tell the difference between all the crazy people that call themselves Anonymous?
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January 10, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Alicia is right. Indeed, i rarely read comments by someone who does not have the guts to tell us their name – or at least make up one!! Typical hit and run stuff…
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January 7, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Anonymous, self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” use the term “unborn children” because it makes them look like they are rescuing real children. Actually, they don’t care for real children any more than the rest of the population, and they care for them less than parents who decide to bear a child they don’t want. When you meet a so-called “pro-lifer” who is raisiing a child he/she doesn’t want to raise, let me know.
For them, the whole movement is meant to make them look good in they eyes of the public.
I realize you are revolted by the idea of abortion, but what have you done to rescue even one child from abuse? Warning: I worked in the field and can detect b.s. at a high remove.
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January 10, 2013 at 1:34 pm
And then there was silence… right on target, Charles, as usual.
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January 7, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Estimates of the number of illegal abortions in the 1950s and 1960s ranged from 200,000 to 1.2 million per year. One analysis, extrapolating from data from North Carolina, concluded that an estimated 829,000 illegal or self-induced abortions occurred in 1967.
http://www.guttmacher%5Bdot%5Dorg/pubs/tgr/06/1/gr060108%5Bdot%5Dhtml
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January 10, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Wow, that amazes me because those numbers are almost the same as they are today! I cannot imagine where all of those people went for their abortions. Or, how many were self induced. That is just so sad.
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January 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Just Saying in #4: As concerned as Nathanson was about his “unborn babies,” he died unreconciled with his own son, as will Randall Terry. It’s too bad he never got comfortable with a real human being who should have been important to him.
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January 9, 2013 at 6:59 am
It’s so much easier to worry about unborns than it is to deal with all the complicated, messy and worrisome attributes of the born. But that’s were there loyalties lie–chasing after stuff that doesn’t belong to them.
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January 9, 2013 at 9:11 am
Debord’s fourth thesis is: “The spectacle is not a collection of images; rather, it is a social relationship between people that is mediated by images.” It is through this thesis that we can see the spectacle of the anti abortionists. In a consumer society, social life is not about living, but about having; the spectacle uses the image to convey what people need and must have. Consequently, social life moves further, leaving a state of “having” and proceeding into a state of “appearing”; namely the appearance of the image, the appearance of the image of caring for the unborn. Thus, we witness the image of caring as they stand outside abortion clinics donning their crosses, toting framed graven images, carrying large crucifixes, all to say “Look at me”
Debord, again, “In a world which really is topsy-turvy, the true is a moment of the false.”
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January 10, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Too deep for me. The deepest I get is Dylan – Mike Dylan, my plumber
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February 8, 2014 at 6:52 pm
My god, please tell me you’re not acltualy THAT paranoid and ignorant! Guess what? The insurance companies are already doing this. You know what else the Nazi’s did? They breathed oxygen. So if you breathe oxygen, are you committing genocide? What if the air fills with a deadly toxin that kills us all? The only solution: Don’t breathe! Ever.I’d suggest you take the aluminum foil off your head long enough to listen to the facts before you start wondering if President Obama is really just Saddam Hussein wearing a really clever disguise. +1Was this answer helpful?
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January 10, 2013 at 1:38 pm
yeah, Randy Terry has made a total mess of his life. His son was gay and Randy abolished him from the family. Then – it’s very sad – I heard that his son was killed in a car crash.
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January 11, 2013 at 8:50 am
I wonder if Terry thinks his son is in Hell now for being Gay.
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January 8, 2013 at 9:44 pm
I posted “The grunts in the anti abortion industry are dumb as dirt. They’re not the ones creating clever labels”
If you don’t believe it, take a look at the charcoal briquet comment, another favorite of the Walrus. Saline abortions are such a thing of the past. But don’t expect the dirtballs to know reality.
Pity the poor slobs
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January 9, 2013 at 10:25 am
So saline is a thing of the past? Why is that? Is it perhaps because babies were surviving the saline abortion and then that put you pro-deathers in a real conundrum! What to do with the baby now that they’ve survived their torture?? Just leave them to die with no medical care? Yes, that’s it! Why even our current president voted 4 times in the Illinois Senate that children born alive after failed abortions should receive no medical care! Such is the mindset of those that worship at the alter of abortion.
You’ve now procured far more excellent ways to kill the unborn – like sticking scissors in their skulls and then opening them up wide so you can more adeptly suck out their brains. Ah, progress. There’s your reality Kate. Not a pretty picture is it? But go ahead old girl, keep up the good fight. Abortion on demand – no apology.
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January 9, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Damn skippy. Abortion on demand. No apology.
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February 8, 2014 at 2:46 pm
I used to be a big pro-lifer and I never met anyone who was aasingt abortion in a case like that.And I am still a conservative, even though I am no longer pro-life. My boyfriend is a big time conservative and he isn’t a pro-lifer either.
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February 8, 2014 at 5:53 pm
As a 60 year old woman who began dialysis twice weelky a few months ago (diabetes) I worry about this so much. I am scared to death that a government plan will kill my private plan (which I am pleased with) and the government will deem me too old to save. Some people think that is crazy for me to think this way, but they are not me. I also don’t know if they would cover a transplant if I am lucky enough to get a donor or if my sister (who is a perfect match) ends up giving me one of hers (a last resort for me). I just don’t know what to expect. I’m very scared. +2Was this answer helpful?
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January 10, 2013 at 8:53 am
JS, seriously, can you answer the question already posed to you? Instead of just ranting?
Is Abortion ever OK?
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January 10, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Yikes, Just Saying, chill out. Hey, no matter how the abortion is performed, later abortions are not pretty. But women still come to the clinics at 22, 23 and later weeks and if our docs do not perform the abortions then the woman will find a way to abort. Respectfully, I’d like to know what you are doing to reduce the need for abortion. Do you at least support birth control?
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January 10, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Oh good grief. Such incredibly schmaltzy, emotional, hand-wringing, imagery in your words! Your concern is so over-the-top that I can’t stop snickering and laughing. It must drive you madder than a hatter that women actually have the right to obtain LEGAL abortions. 🙂
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February 8, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Only in the sense that health care will be rnoatied. Elderly people are not going to be as likely to get treatment bc it is not as good as an investment. If you can to four thousand knee replacements a year, you have to decide who gets what and abandoning the older people for the younger would make more economical sense. +2Was this answer helpful?
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January 9, 2013 at 10:29 am
I would imagine that some pro-deathers on this blog actually enjoy watching Texas Roadhouse Massacre movies yet feign horror over abortion photos. Still you support abortion!! Go figure!
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January 9, 2013 at 5:01 pm
And the connection is what?
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January 10, 2013 at 8:53 am
What do you mean JS?
You are not making any sense.
Take a deep breath and try again . . .
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January 10, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Well, I for one do not watch those kinds of movies. I liked “Lincoln.”
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January 10, 2013 at 8:22 pm
I watch whatever I please when it comes to movies and so on and will not apologize for that freedom to do so. At least I am sane, adult and logical enough to understand the differences between illustrated movie fantasies, photo-shopped/out of context photographs of gore and REAL life. I have a good imagination, but I never let it run off with me willy-nilly as you seem to let yours. I pay attention and I won’t let myself be manipulated by the cheap tricks on the placards that protesters use outside clinics.
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January 11, 2013 at 8:52 am
Why are the Anti’s such a bunch of dummies?
They rarely can construct a sentence that makes any common sense.
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January 11, 2013 at 11:27 am
Good thoughts, Anne. Keep ’em coming!
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January 9, 2013 at 1:13 pm
The pro-life movement has decided to release photos of the other victims (albeit unintended) of ‘safe and legal’ abortions – the woman. These AUTOPSY photos depict how horrific their deaths were as a result of botched abortions.
On a more positive note I noticed on the Illegal Abortion photo posted above the artist had the good sense to call the baby just that – a baby.. Freudian slip?
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January 10, 2013 at 8:55 am
So the artist (I didn’t see the image) doesn’t know terminology possibly . . . what is your point as it addresses the large reality of abortion?
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January 10, 2013 at 9:03 am
People may choose to personify their pregnancy as they please.
However the nomenclature and definitions of medical terms is very well established.
The latter should be used for genuine discussion, although the former is perfectly allowable for a person’s own thought processes on how they feel about their pregnancy.
If we don’t use well defined terms we only discuss in a Tower of Babel, and that gets nothing done.
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January 10, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Frankly, I dont care what we call “it”. It’s up to the woman herself to call “it’ whatever she wants to call it. I know when they go to the abortion clinic, they usually say “I can’t have this baby.” Who the frig cares what they call “it?”
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January 9, 2013 at 1:52 pm
I am sick that you used Newtown as a reference in this blog. You talked about situations in the 1950s and 60’s, it’s 2013 by the way. Wow. Put something more current on here and stop comparing apples to oranges.
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January 9, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Why not use Newtown? It’s time that the public know about how hamstrung the ATF is by the NRA. It’s long past time to talk about gun violence. And, at the rate we’re going, it will be a national tragedy when Roe is overturned and women start dying from illegal abortions again, leaving motherless children.
There’s a lot of lip service paid about family values to get goofballs elected. But when examined more closely, there are no family values that protect women’s rights.
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January 10, 2013 at 8:57 am
KJ,
same question for you as JS (are you the same person?) . . .
Is Abortion Ever OK?
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January 10, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Sorry if I offended you, Kathryn. But it was the Newton massacre and the image of those kids that prompted me to write this. I tried to make a respectful segue to the abortion pictures but maybe I wasn’t that successful. Just saying that everything in this world is sanitized. Maybe it shouldn’t be….
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January 11, 2013 at 8:53 am
These boring Anti’s cannot even answer a single question.
Typical.
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February 8, 2014 at 8:27 am
The puasrhces I make are entirely based on these articles.
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January 11, 2013 at 10:34 am
Kathryn, it’s all connected.
How much choice did Adam Lanza’s mother have in deciding to become pregnant and carry it to term? What factors did she judge her nurturing by as she was raising him (note: Jeffery Dahmer’s dad admits to being a nerdy science kid growing up and thought that Jeffrey’s preoccupation with dead animals was normal enough)? What did she think about his ability or desire to socialize with other children his age? What sort of feedback did she get from adults who worked with him in school, and what did she do with it? Who were the men he had as role models, and what did he learn from them? Was his mother aware that he learned from them as well as her? Did she have any concerns about how he was developing, how concerned was she, and how did they compare with the concerns of the average parent?
What was the origin of her need to have an assault-type weapon? How did it tie into her concept of motherhood? Was she a member of the NRA? Did she teach him gun safety?
The thing is, Kathryn, a baby is a very heavy responsibility. Something went very, very wrong for Adam Lanza’s motherhood. At this time we don’t know if it was a fatal flaw in her character, a set of minor flaws that proved fatal in the aggregate, or simply chance. What we can believe is that despite whatever intentions she had to raise a happy baby, she miscalculated grievously.
There are women unlike her, who calculate that they are not ready to raise a child and who, although they may feel very maternally toward the fetus and their pregnancy, know that for their own good and for the good of all, it is necessary to have an abortion.
Now, if you disagree with them, your ONLY course of action is to adopt their born child. Don’t argue about them at the clinic sidewalk; adopt the child that has already been born. I advise you to start with New York state’s child protection services, which (the last time I looked) had 28,000 children adoptable children that no one wanted.
As it is, Adam Lanza killed real humans, but you never considered the fetal Adam Lanza’s future when you met someone like his mother outside the clinic. So, adopt, adopt, adopt. Four children every year for the rest of your life, and soon abortion will be unnecessary.
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January 11, 2013 at 11:29 am
Well said, Charles…
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February 8, 2014 at 9:50 am
This one however may have other moietvs too, get your people ready for what might happen on a larger scale if there is an attack on Iran. Gazans can fire a few hundred
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January 11, 2013 at 2:10 pm
…And the rest is silence……
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January 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm
More good news from the right-thinking folks who call themselves prolife:
THEY SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS!!! That’s right folks….
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/09/more-and-more-pro-life-americans-support-abortion-rights/
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January 10, 2013 at 10:53 am
I think that is more than time that ou government take action about controlling who has access to guns. Because if anyone can have a gun this same people should be, not controlled, but take tests from time to time, maybe once a year, in order to keep their guns. Yes i know that some don’t even buy the legal way, but maybe, and just maybe, if we start having some control on that, we can start to have less cases like the Newtown school shooting.
Thinking about a little more, i can stop to wonder, if the guy has not killed himself, if he was caught by the police, at this moment, he would be having food, water, a roof above his head, a place to shower, exercise and God only knows what else… and “we” would be the ones paying for that luxury. Yes luxury, because to do what he did (if alive) he would have all his rights now. When the doctors that do practice abortion (the ones who were killed) were doing something that is LEGAL in US and even though got killed by a lunatic that had a gun… what brings me back to controlling access of those who caries a gun.
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January 11, 2013 at 11:32 am
And, Sonia, if he were alive he’d get what he wanted – he’d be seeing himself on the cover of magazines and on television shows. He’d be getting his glory that he so desperately needed. That’s why I think the media should not tell us the names of the murderers or show us their pictures. After all, who really needs that info? We forget their names anyway once the next murderer comes around…
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January 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Yes! I agree with you on that. I think it is time for a lot of things to change. The media gets what they looks for MONEY showing the suffering of parents and/or people who are in distress… Just like the “pro-lifers” gets money for their cause being that their cause is a NO CAUSE AT ALL…
If just people in general would come together to one cause, and one cause only, maybe things would change. When people decide that there is no sides (republicans or democrats) but PEOPLE to be cared about it… maybe we would have an easier way of leaving. But until that happens, we have to deal with all stupidity in the world!
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January 20, 2013 at 9:22 am
Abortion is considered a crime in the Philippines. It’s a horrifying act. And I’m really against it. I can’t imagine an innocent life will be taken away.
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January 20, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Well, DAna, fortunately it is not a crime here in the United STates. I understand your thoughts on that “innocent life,” but do you have any thoughts on that already born person, i.e.. the woman? Or do you just focus on that fetus?
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January 20, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Dana,
Is Abortion ever OK?
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January 20, 2013 at 7:00 pm
…The rest is silence.
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January 20, 2013 at 9:49 am
Dana Caffrey at #14: Let’s take a look at the root of your feeling of horror. What makes fetal life an “innocent life” any more than an earthworm’s life is innocent?
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