I’m not gonna write about the “March for Life.” I went over there for a while, braved the freezing temperatures, listened to a few of the predictable speeches (I had no idea how bad a person I was) and just hung around until my meter expired. I will say that I saw lots of young kids and hardly any of those old gross fetus signs.
Interestingly, I heard no talk about this legal case that’s been getting a lot of attention lately where the “Catholic Church” is supposedly backing down from its centuries old position that fetuses are people and deserve full legal protection. Now, let me clarify.
Thirty-one year old Lori Stodghill was seven months pregnant with twins when she arrived at the St. Thomas More Hospital in Colorado on New Year’s Day, 2006. She was vomiting and short of breath and she soon passed out as she was being wheeled into an examination room. The staff tried to resuscitate her to no avail and she died of a massive heart attack. Her doctor, Pelham Staples, who coincidentally on call that night but he apparently never answered his page. Ms. Stodgill died at the hospital less than an hour after she arrived and her twins died in her womb.
Soon thereafter, the inevitable lawsuit was filed by Ms. Stodghill’s husband. He filed a wrongful-death lawsuit, arguing that Doctor Staples could have saved his wife’s and the twins’ lives if he had at least instructed the emergency room staff to perform a caesarian-section. An expert later said such a procedure may not have saved the mother, but it may have saved the twins. The lead defendant in the case is Catholic Health Initiatives, an Englewood-based nonprofit that runs the hospital as well as roughly 170 other health facilities in 17 states.
So, the focus of the suit turned to the twins. In response, the attorney for the defendants came up with an interesting argument. He argued that the plaintiff’s case (as it related to the twins) was not valid because “in Colorado that the term ‘person,’ as is used in the Wrongful Death Act, encompasses only individuals born alive…therefore plaintiffs cannot maintain wrongful death claims based on two unborn fetuses.”
That’s when the proverbial poop hit the pro-choice fan. Hypocrisy, they screamed! So, now, because it’s convenient and it might cost them money, the “Church” is saying that fetuses are NOT people? Now they want it both ways? Suddenly, this “gotcha” moment spread like wildfire.
I grow weary of how political groups (on both sides of any issue) love to scrutinize every word uttered by their opponent and blow it up if it appears to contradict their mission in any way. They watch for any comment – even if someone is merely asking a question out loud – and they pounce if they think they can make hay (or money) out of it. Then, the media jumps on it. If some rock star says something – like a Dixie Chick questioning the Iraqi war – Fox News is all over it. And MSNBC ain’t any better folks. It’s the 24 hour news cycle that strains for any kind of “news” and political advocates now know how to play the game.
So, unless I am totally missing the boat – and that is always a possibility – the way I interpret the attorney’s defense is that if you review the current law in Colorado it says that the two twins shall not be recognized as “people.” And, as such, they cannot be brought into this lawsuit. As far as I know, the “Catholic Church” has not reversed their centuries old doctrine that fetus are (or at least, should be declared) a “person.” I think we all would have heard about that policy reversal, don’t you think?
They surely do not like this Wrongful Death Act as it is written in Colorado. Chances are they may have actually opposed it because it didn’t include their precious fetuses. And they may be actively trying to get the law changed. But the law is the law at this point and, while they may not like it, they will surely try to use it to their advantage.
So, what’s the ballyhoo all about?
Related articles
- Colorado court says a fetus is not a person (wtvr.com)
- Catholic bishops to ‘review’ position that fetuses aren’t people after all (dailykos.com)
- Bishops will review Catholic hospital defense that fetuses aren’t people (denverpost.com)
- Appellate Court Agreed With Catholic Hospital: Fetuses Are Not Persons (americanlivewire.com)
- A Catholic Hospital Argues That Fetuses Aren’t People (patheos.com)
- Catholic hospital chain beats malpractice suit by saying fetuses aren’t people (rawstory.com)
- BusinessInsider – Catholic Hospitals Win A Malpractice Suit By Saying Fetuses Aren’t Really Human – 26 January 2013 (lucas2012infos.wordpress.com)
- Catholic Church: Fetuses Are People! Unless It’s Going To Cost Us Money (addictinginfo.org)



January 27, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Well, now that it’s won the case, the Catholic Church can push for a change in the Colorado “Wrongful Death” law! It’s a win-win, all around!!!
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January 29, 2013 at 10:10 am
Not sure if it’s totally over yet, Charles…
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January 29, 2013 at 12:37 pm
It has always been very clear to me that the attack on the ability and right of women to access health care (which automatically INCLUDES abortions) is simply an attack on all women in general.
People who do not believe that all women have the right to handle their own private affairs (which also includes the right to decide when, how, and if they want to be pregnant) believe that women are not entitled to any of the same rights that men enjoy simply because men have male genitalia.
People who hate and despise women are the first to try to find ways to control women. What better way to control all women than to deny them the right to the singular personal control they should be guaranteed over their own bodies?
Pro-lifers don’t fool me. They hate women and love fetal tissue and they are sick, hateful control freaks who have no concept of minding their own damned business.
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January 29, 2013 at 1:27 pm
I am exhausted of Anti choice people mouthing off their nonsense about how to control my body.
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January 27, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Well, Pat, here are my thoughts about this case. First, the wrongful death lawsuit of the twin boys suggests to me that his daughter is not enough. He wanted his boys.
Second, this whole case is a tragic reminder of the dangers of pregnancy. Women can and do die during pregnancy.
Third, the egregious actions of the hospital and doctors who sued Stodghill for over $118,000 legal fees and attempted to garnish his wages speaks volumes about the institution.
Forth, and finally, Stodghill filed for bankruptcy to avoid paying legal fees and has taken his case to the Colorado Supreme Court when he would likely be better off if he found a way to harness the energy used on this obsession over death to obsess over the life of his daughter.
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January 29, 2013 at 10:13 am
Parker, good points as always. Re the paying of legal fees…I have not read the entire case but the husband had to have gone to a lawyer. The lawyer said the Wrongful Death Statute does not apply to the twins. Then, I’ll be you anything that the lawyer then said “but we can still sue and they have insurance and maybe they’ll settle anyway cause they’d have to admit the twins were not people.” They lost that gamble. I think Stodghill should pay the legal fees…..And I agree about the daughter!
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January 27, 2013 at 6:22 pm
The Catholic Church makes me sick.
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January 29, 2013 at 10:14 am
In what way, James? That’s a pretty blanket statement. Does the Catholic Church do no good at all?
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January 29, 2013 at 1:28 pm
I agree with James.
The net sum gain would that the world would be much better off without Catholic Institutional Doctrine in my opinion.
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January 28, 2013 at 8:58 am
Here’s a bit of news on another front—something John Dunkle of Reading PA might find interesting. In an ABC news article titled “Suit Reveals Ties Among Radical Abortion Opponents” they mention how Scott Roeder has ties to other radical anti abortion activists. My thought? Duh! John Dunkle is one of them–loves to support and write about the ‘prisoners of Christ’
Of course there is a connection….
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January 29, 2013 at 10:05 am
I always wonder about Roeder and his connections . . .
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January 29, 2013 at 1:31 pm
I suspect that Roeder had some help. We will see I guess.
By definition, a guy that assassinates someone that is doing legal things because he believes in a magical god in the sky is mentally ill.
If he is mentally ill, then why did he own a gun?
Why weren’t the authorities watching him in a manner that they could have intervened?
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January 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Much ado about SOMETHING (FYI the ACN inspected this hell hole and DIDN’T REPORT THEM TO THE STATE). There is soo much shame and blame to go around.
http://3801lancaster.com/
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January 28, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Stupid video, don’t bother watching
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January 29, 2013 at 5:44 am
Shame and blame, is that your game? Sounds like you’re a religious type
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January 29, 2013 at 9:02 am
Actually, how does this compare with the risks for women before abortion was legal? Because this was brought to the attention of authorities, damage was limited. Didn’t happen like that back in the day….
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January 29, 2013 at 10:17 am
Yeah, the place is closed, right? so what’s the beef?
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January 29, 2013 at 1:32 pm
JS is clueless, there is no beef . . .
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January 29, 2013 at 9:57 am
Just saying,
What does the video mean regarding the general concept of reproductive freedoms?
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February 4, 2013 at 9:14 am
Just saying . . .
Are you a blog troll?
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January 29, 2013 at 10:16 am
What does this have to do about the original article, Just Saying? Also, are you sure it was the ACN that inspected the “hell hole?” and not NAF?
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January 29, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Leave it to an antiabortionist to get the facts wrong. According to the Grand Jury report, people with six entities (PA dept of health, Childrens Hospital, PA board of medicine, PA dept of state, Philly dept of health and NAF) were aware of the situation at Gosnell’s clinic. ACN was not involved at all, not that it has any relevance whatsoever to the horrors at this man’s clinic.
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January 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Did it register with anyone that this Catholic organization holds assets to the tune of $15 BILLION???
How many starving children are there, worldwide?
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January 29, 2013 at 8:44 am
Catholic’s care more about legislating away our rights than they care about providing for Children.
That is clear by their inaction on the latter.
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January 29, 2013 at 9:04 am
Well, really it’s the clergy and not the vast majority of the laity who are the rabid so-called “pro-lifers.”
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January 29, 2013 at 10:20 am
i tend to agree with charles!
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January 29, 2013 at 10:19 am
How does one measure how much “they care” about abortion versus helping children?
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January 29, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Pat– Simple measurements are: Amount of training received in child development, neonatology, nutrition, obstetrics, and parroting; amount of time spent one-on-one with a child whose parents can’t or won’t care well enough for it; degree of inverse relationship of that time spent to the money received for doing so; the amount of annual gross income spent directly on behalf of such children; and the number of separate activities engaged in (Big Sister, school volunteer, etc) with such children.
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January 29, 2013 at 10:18 am
Hummingbird, I have to say that the Catholic Church is totally wrong on abortion but here in Virginia I work a lot with the local church and they do a lot of good things for the homeless, the hungry, etc. Try to resist painting things with a broad brush. And remember that there often is a big difference between “the church” and those who attend “the church.”
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January 29, 2013 at 1:33 pm
I agree they should spend some of that $15 Billion if they care about children.
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January 29, 2013 at 6:03 am
Prolife numbers down!
Forty years after Roe vs. Wade, the number of voters who consider themselves pro-life has fallen sharply, while pro-choice voters have jumped, a new poll says.
A new Rasmussen Reports survey finds that just 36% of likely U.S. voters now view themselves as pro-life. Fifty-four percent (54%) describe themselves as pro-choice.
In October 2007 50% said they were pro-choice, 40% pro-life.
Fifty-nine percent (59%) of female voters are now pro-choice, compared to 47% of male voters.
Voters under 40 are much more likely to be pro-choice.
Fifty-five percent (55%) of all voters felt abortion was morally wrong most of the time March but just 44% feel that way now, the lowest finding to date.
Thirty-seven percent (37%) now believe abortion is morally acceptable in most cases, up from 32% seven years ago and a new high. Sixty percent (60%) of pro-choice voters think abortion is morally acceptable most of the time, while 82% of pro-life voters think it is morally wrong in most cases.
The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on January 23-24, 2013 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.
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January 29, 2013 at 9:06 am
Still, the so-called “pro-lifers” are far more committed to preventing abortion than the “pro-choicers” are to establishing the right of women to determine how many children they are going to bear and raise. Irrational anger is a great fuel for activism.
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January 29, 2013 at 10:22 am
Charles is absolutely right. While those numbers are good, what sways the politicians are the rabid pro-lifers who protest, who inundate their offices with letters, who march. And, unfortunately, when a pro-choice person wakes up in the morning the first thing on their mind is not the friggin fetus.
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January 29, 2013 at 8:46 am
http://www.illinoisobserver.net/2013/01/28/poll-voters-who-consider-themselves-pro-life-slump/
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January 29, 2013 at 10:07 am
I could find a thousand words to say here about it what was wrote, but i will make it short… I HATE CHURCH AND THEIR PEOPLE… all fakes… all misleading the people opinion… all pretending to be nice “inside” the church but when they are on the outside they show their real selfs… DISGUSTING!
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January 29, 2013 at 10:25 am
Yikes, Sonia. That’s quite the broad accusation. And that is the problem with the political discourse these days. Most people tend to generalize, to make statements that paint their opponents with a broad brush. I really do grow weary of folks on this page and on the http://www.abortion.com Facebook page who think every friggin Catholic is a horrible person. Not true….not true…..The Pope’s whacky but dont assume every Catholic is. Indeed, there are some in my family!!
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January 29, 2013 at 12:50 pm
As an atheist, I dislike and avoid all religions and fundamentally religious persons equally. I particularly find the behemoth organization called the Roman Catholic Church heinous and cannot understand how otherwise sane people can follow the superstitious dogma that is taught consistently and persistently by the RC. I also have family who were raised/brainwashed in the RC and they are nice people, but they would have been just as good without the RC’s brainwashing and in fact might have been much happier and more free from the mythology and superstition.
I find religion in general to be culpable in the horrors we still experience in the world today. The evil and harm committed in the name of “religions” has held us back more than it has advanced us. I am especially angry that the RC has traditionally oppressed and suppressed women throughout their history!
I am tired of people excusing the “nice people” of any faith, as if because they are nice….they somehow aren’t at least partially responsible for allowing the crazy fundamentalists in their faith to represent them too!
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January 29, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Anne, you might enjoy reading how Catholics got that way by dipping into one of the JR Powers books. I recommend starting with “Do Black Patent Leather Shoes Really Reflect Up?” It derives from the nuns’ belief that such reflective shoes posed an occasion of sin for men who might not be able to resist staring at the reflection.
Another “occasion of sin” was the Friday night teen dances at the YMCA, which the public high school students attended– and of course, they were the town Protestants.
Then there was the advice to the high school girls to wear a bra with a D cup or larger, to avoid another occasion of sin if they were going to wear a sweater.
Don’t get us recovering Catholics started. We tend to purge….
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January 29, 2013 at 1:34 pm
I agree with Anne.
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January 29, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Oh, girl! you rock!
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January 30, 2013 at 2:38 pm
I’m an agnostic, although raised as a Catholic. And I’m sorry but I refuse to suggest that all Catholics are scum because the leaders of their church are idiots – and worse. It’s like saying all Republicans are bad or all Italians are in the mob. Gimme a break here. Stop generalizing.
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January 30, 2013 at 6:34 pm
I think that people who proclaim themselves Catholic, That actually follow Catholic Papal directed Doctrine are Scum.
People that don’t follow the Catholic Doctrine – well I’m not sure by what measure they are actually Catholic . . . ? Isn’t that part of being Catholic?
Otherwise they are just Christians os some sort . . . ?
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January 30, 2013 at 6:35 pm
I just looked up Catholic
as a Noun the definition was:
“A member of the Roman Catholic Church.”
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January 30, 2013 at 7:56 pm
The term “catholic” was originally applied because it means “universal,” which of course the Western Church was for almost a millennium and a half. It was only after the success of the Protestant Reformation that it began to apply to a specific sect.
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January 30, 2013 at 6:37 pm
On the last note, members of the RCC were denied communion and threatened excommunication if they were ProChoice, and/or did not follow the Doctrine as declared by the Pope . . .
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January 31, 2013 at 8:53 am
I’m just saying that most people who belong to a church do not necessarily agree with everything that church espouses. Indeed, I recall reading that Catholics get the most abortions, percentage wise. I just dont like it when we paint a broad brush – all Catholics are “scum.” C’mon now, Angie, you can’t really believe that, can you?
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January 30, 2013 at 8:17 pm
So, here’s my thought, I’m not Catholic. My husband’s mother is. She is a good person, a loving wife/mother/daughter. Never was engaged with anti abortion or anti contraceptive BS. So to Pat’s point, not all of ’em are freaks.
Don’t generalize.
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January 31, 2013 at 8:56 am
I totally agree, Parker! Indeed, one of the problems in this country as a whole is that we tend to generalize too much. We are not a monolithic society, there are no monolithic religions. Again, I’ve dealt with many, many Catholics in my lifetime and they are wonderful, caring people who give back to their community. Sure, the Pope is a putz, the priests can be criminals, Catholics have gone to wars with others, etc. But all Catholics are not bad or, as Parker says, “not all of ’em are freaks”!!
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January 31, 2013 at 2:55 pm
I was also raised as catholic Pat, but unfortunately, history has showed us that MOST of them are the same. Yes we can not say all the apples are bad just because one was, BUT along the years, we had just watch over and over the catholics to do what they are best are doing: Taking care of people lives, doing nothing at helping others, judging whoever DARE to disagree with them and etc… Sorry, but can’t change my words…
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January 31, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Hi, Sonia!!
I can understand your feeling about Catholics. It might help if you remiind yourself that the more insecure and powerless a person feels, the more likely he or she is to cling tightly to a “superstructure,” a frame of belief that makes one feel more powerful. They then feel comforted. They are impelled to show their power by being self-righteous to an extreme. If you can bring yourself to feel sorry for them, it’ll probably take the edge off the annoyance you get from them. It works for me with the so-called “pro-lifers.”
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February 1, 2013 at 6:57 am
Charles,
I agree with you wholeheartedly. So many of the antiabortionists feel that they are the one who have been wronged. Because their locus of control is external, is located in that “superstructure” you call it, they pitifully cling to it in a false sense of power. And when their anger is pointed out to them, they are quick to call it “righteous” anger.
Sounds like baloney to me.
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February 1, 2013 at 11:34 am
I will give it a try! Thanks!
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February 3, 2013 at 2:50 pm
“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”
— Thomas Jefferson
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