A short while ago, one of my regular readers expressed frustration over the tsunami of anti-abortion measures being considered (and passed) in various state legislatures across the country. She then asked a logical question: why doesn’t the pro-choice movement respond in kind? “Why don’t we introduce our own legislation?” she asked.
Well, the real simple answer is that in most state legislatures we just don’t have the votes to pass anything. But there’s more to it than that.
With the exception of a few right wing nut balls, no sane politician wants to vote on the abortion issue. They don’t even want to talk about it. That’s because these (mostly male) legislators are totally uncomfortable with the issue and are not interested in being lobbied by advocates on both sides of the debate. Even if they are in agreement with the lobbyist sitting in front of them, they still don’t want to talk about the issue. That’s why whenever there is a vote on abortion, the debates are not very long. Sure, you always have your regular stalwarts willing to get up there to make their points but for the most part, everyone dodges the debate and would love to dodge a vote if possible. This mentality is equally applicable to anti-abortion and pro-choice legislators. Then, if the worst case happens and you are ultimately forced to vote, you know you’re gonna piss off half of your constituents – and no elected official wants to piss anyone off. It’s a lose-lose situation.
But, let’s imagine there is a fervent pro-choice legislator in Virginia named George and he feels very strongly that the state should use its Medicaid funds to pay for all abortions. The first thing George will do is consult with the pro-choice groups and, knowing the state of Virginia, they’ll tell George that he can’t win because the votes are just not there. And any straight thinking lobbyist does not want to lose a vote. But let’s say these lobbyists see things differently. Say they think that it’s time to “make a statement,” to force everyone to vote which will help them identify those they want to try to get out of office. So, they tell George to go for it.
The next thing George has to do is get the word out that he is going to propose that Virginia restore Medicaid funding for abortions. Suddenly, everyone is chasing him down, wondering why the hell he would force people to vote when there was no chance the measure would pass. And, remember, the buildings that the state legislators perform their work are not very big so it’s not easy for George to hide from the deluge of colleagues who want to wring his neck.
George suddenly is getting cornered in the cafeteria, at the poker table, outside of church. “Geez, George, why the hell are you forcing me to vote on this issue when it’s not going to win anyway?” is the common refrain. Even George’s fellow Democrats, some of whom are anti-abortion, get on his case. It’s a pressure packed situation that he never anticipated.
Now, if George was an elected official from New York or California, he might be able to go for it and possibly win – although many of his buddies would still resent his forcing them to vote on abortion. But, in states like Virginia, Kansas, North Dakota and many, many others, it’s a simple thing to say why don’t we initiate pro-choice legislation? It’s another thing to actually go through that grueling process.
The fact is that most pro-choice legislators do not wake up thinking of abortion, unlike many anti-abortion legislators who can’t stop thinking about bloody fetuses. For the pro-choicer, who has a more global view of things, it’s a different animal and it takes cajones to pursue what you think it right in a sure-to-be losing effort.
I guess the answer is it’s easier said than done.
Related articles
- Why I am Pro-Choice – and why this does not make me Anti-Life (gandhihadapoint.wordpress.com)
- Opinion: 40 Years After Roe v. Wade, A Pro-Choice Perspective (pbs.org)



May 12, 2013 at 10:26 am
The problem with the “pro-choicers” is that they can’t see beyond their own trenches– they’re always reacting to what the so-called “pro-lifers” propose. What does it take to get them to stop thinking of their rights being curtailed and to get them to start thinking about building on the so-called “pro-lfers’ ” folly?
When the so-called introduce a bill declaring personhood of a cystoblast, the “pro-choicers” should introduce an amendment guaranteeing $250,000 for the necessary care for each pregnancy and subsequent child. Pointing out to the public that this would mean raising taxes would doom a “pro-life” bill in a hurry.
But do “pro-choicers” think about dealing with the enemy? No; they continue to behave as though this is a war of principles. It’s not; it’s a struggle against a somewhat mentally unbalanced self-help group.
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May 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Good thoughts, Charles. At this point, the pro-choicers are just used to being in a defense mode and are not that creative. But, like I said, the pro-choicers are just not that manic about the issue like some of the anti-choicers are. Our friends on The Hill just cower half the time and play defense….
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May 12, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Well now that we have more women than ever holding political office, perhaps George has now become a Georgette and will propose some pro-choice legislation. We women may lack balls in the literal sense but we don’t think we are a losing issue, we will go after legislation that matters to us.
I think in the next year we will see some push back from us Georgette’s.
My dear hubbie who is so very pro-choice has a hard time talking about abortion beyond the little pictures of babies floating in his head. He like many men hold a certain cognitive dissonance when it comes to abortion, on one hand he knows full well it is, my body my choice, and on the other hand my choice is killing a baby in his mind.
He would rather not talk about abortion much past that point, of my body my choice. Men are not the ones that should even be talking about abortion, we women are the ones that should have the loudest voice and strongest voice when it comes to legislating abortion rights. It is our body and our choice, we are the ones that have to carry the pregnancy if we choose to and we are the ones that ultimately have the final decision to terminate our pregnancy.
Sorry but I find pro-life men such an oddity, really, it is very easy to be pro-life when you are the one that can’t get pregnant..LOL
Yes a man can make a woman’s decision easier no matter what decision she makes, but they also should have no say on what we choose to do with our own bodies, after all when is the last time there was ANY legislation that dictated anything concerning a man’s body?
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May 13, 2013 at 12:44 pm
You’re absolutely right, Sarah Rose! We need more Georgettes!! One thing that needs to be done more is when a pro-choice group finds a good solid candidate for an office, they just can’t let them off with a “oh, I’ll vote with you every time” thing. They have got to corner that person and demand that when elected, they will not just vote pro-choice but will actively participate in the debate and say the A word! The antis push their folks all the time and to the limit. We have to stop being so damned nice and not be satisfied with someone when they say they’ll vote with us.
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May 13, 2013 at 5:57 am
Sara Rose…it has been quite sometime since I have seen the issue over abortion broken down so simply!!
“Men are not the ones that should even be talking about abortion, we women are the ones that should have the loudest voice and strongest voice when it comes to legislating abortion rights. It is our body and our choice, we are the ones that have to carry the pregnancy if we choose to and we are the ones that ultimately have the final decision to terminate our pregnancy!”
It is very easy to be pro-life if you are the one that can’t get pregnant either by gender or because you are suffering the heartbreak of infertility issues!!
But… just as you should NOT be the person that makes the decision on where I choose to worship (if I choose to at all!) you should NOT be involved in my decision to get pregnant…or stay pregnant!!
“after all when is the last time there was ANY legislation that dictated anything concerning a man’s body?” LOL Sara that would be when it was decided that men HAD TO HAVE “VIAGRA” (and similar drugs) covered by insurance because it was too costly “out of pocket”!! But women struggling to pay for “oral contraceptives” DIFFERENT STORY!! lol
It has always been an unlevel playing field and I sometimes am afraid it always will be…unless we NEVER let up on the pressure…that we continue to “play the game” just the way they do!! NEVER GIVE UP…TO ENSURE THAT ABORTION IS SAFE & LEGAL FOREVER!!
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May 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Good points, as always, Lorraine. As you remember, when we were active in the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, we encouraged all of our members to be aggressive, to say the A word, to push our legislators and the pro-choice groups as well. Indeed, you’ll remember there was a time when the pro-choice groups didn’t even want to associate with abortion providers! But we kept pushing. Heck, we even pushed some of our own doctors who couldn’t say the friggin word!
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May 14, 2013 at 10:41 am
What does an abortion have to do with health care? I can see if you were having complications with a pregnancy, but what about abortion is anything other that killing an innocent child? You can spit that choise crap all you want, but the fact is that it is murder. When those children were gunned down in Conn. you were screaming murder, but when this hack of a doctor is cutting thier spinnal cords you scream choise. What a joke.
And do go calling me a right wing bigot or all the other crap you were spitting. I am not a Republican, but murder is murder. Do start name calling when you can’t agrue your point. Don’t resort to bringing me down because you can’t disput anything I say.
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May 14, 2013 at 11:26 am
Okay, Mary Ann, clearly you have a concern about children being murdered– now what is keeping you from caring for fetuses after they’ve been born? My parents raised eleven kids on a per capita family income of $400 per year; in 2013 dollars, that’s $3,222. Which means that if you and your spouse are making $42,000 a year, you can afford to be raising 11 adopted kids– but you’re not.
Why are you so upset at the idea of abortion when you can’t make the leap from the state of a fetus to the needs of real children? John Donkle never was able to do that either.
Having been one of those eleven kids, I can tell you there are things in life that are a lot worse than abortion– and unless you are prepared to protect children from them, you’ll just have to work through the problem you have with the conflict between what you feel and what you don’t do for children.
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May 14, 2013 at 1:00 pm
I have my opinion as you have yours, that is it! Not gonna argue with murderers!
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May 18, 2013 at 10:31 am
Do you talk to Catholics?
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May 18, 2013 at 2:45 pm
You might have your own opinion, but you can not have your own reality, MaryAnn. The reality is that the fetus you claim to “rescue” will become a child in need of nurture and protection from the first minute, and you self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” basically stop caring for it the minute it becomes a real baby.
In other words, you condemn children to a life of being at risk for every form of abuse and neglect imaginable while you fantasize about “rescuing” an entity which you cannot in any way care for short of becoming the pregnancy surrogate for the woman.
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May 14, 2013 at 1:03 pm
In the instance of rape and incest, proper medical care can ensure that a woman will not get pregnant. Abortion punishes the unborn child who committed no crime; instead, it is the perpetrator who should be punished.
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May 15, 2013 at 7:48 am
Is Abortion OK for Cornual Pregnancy?
What about a Partial Molar Pregnancy?
Are infertility treatments OK?
How many babies have you adopted MaryAnn?
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May 17, 2013 at 9:44 am
No reply as usual . . .
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May 18, 2013 at 10:32 am
Why don’t stupid Anti Choicers ever answer questions?
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May 14, 2013 at 7:22 pm
What Gosnell did was reprehensible. But considering who his clients were and considering that the State looked the other way for far too long (despite formal complaints), we can be assured that with the relentless attacks on abortion access by the right wing conservatives, there will be more Gosnells. As decent doctors retire or are forced out of practice because of these ultra conservative targeted regulations against law-abiding providers, there will be greedy butchers waiting in your communities to offer poor women an alternative. And folks like you, MaryAnn, can pat yourself of the back for helping to make back alley abortions more commonplace for poor and underprivileged women.
In the meantime, the women of means will continue to have access to safe abortion through their own gynecologist, by means of flying to states or countries that aren’t so restricted.
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May 15, 2013 at 7:56 am
“You have your opinion and I have mine.” I’m sorry, but when you act on your opinion to deprive real children of the resources their parents need to raise them well– and they are very scarce when a family of 13 is getting by on $34,000 a year– you are harming them by letting your fantasies about abortion override reality.
Equally disturbing is the fact that you neither personally experience the results of your fixation nor will volunteer to do so by adopting eleven kids.
What seems to be in play here is that your desire to feel happy outweighs your need to see that our children grow up safe, loved and nurtured to the maximum of their potential.
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May 17, 2013 at 10:47 am
If abortion was “murder,” as you put it, it would be against the law.
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May 14, 2013 at 11:07 am
Leroy Carhart (Pat’s BFF) who killed a woman last year in a late term abortion has been caught on tape by Live Action stating that aborting babies is like cooking meat in a crock pot. They get mushy so he can pull them apart easy. Gosnell slit babies necks and kept baby feet as souvenirs in jars, Planned Parenthood tells a woman to just “flush the baby” if it comes out alive. North Carolina shut an abortion clinic down this morning because it was so nasty they deemed it “an immediate threat to the safety of women”. New Mexico’s late term clinic has been sending women by ambulance to the E.R. almost weekly. The list is much longer and I could go on for pages but the point is that these so called “doctors” and clinics who supposedly care about women are nothing but nasty disease infested dens for psychopathic killers to “perform their service.” They should all go to prison!
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May 14, 2013 at 11:28 am
Please cite your sources for these allegations.
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May 14, 2013 at 11:46 am
Go to Live Action’s website and watch the undercover videos. They were caught in action. Besides that Carhart killing that woman has been all over the news (although for some strange reason he felt the need to deny it on the video). The Albequrque ambulance calls are recorded and can be heard at Operation Rescue’s website. The shut down of the North Carolina clinic is also in the news. It was Charlotte’s largest clinic. Google it!
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May 14, 2013 at 7:04 pm
The video reveals nothing of the sort, and actually undermines Live Action’s baseless allegations that the clinic is performing illegal procedures and endangering the lives of patients.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/28/live-actions-latest-abortion-clinic-undercover/193812
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May 15, 2013 at 7:50 am
What a Joke . . .
The horrid Live Action site supports CPC Mills!
Get some facts to regurgitate next time from a real source!
Nosurprises . . .
Is Abortion OK for Cornual Pregnancy?
What about a Partial Molar Pregnancy?
Are infertility treatments OK?
How many babies have you adopted ?
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May 17, 2013 at 9:47 am
Likely she will never answer.
Don’t hold your breath Glenda . . .
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May 18, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Dear Elena,
I will gladly answer. It’s none of her business if or how many kids I have adopted. My adopting or not adopting bears no weight whatsoever on the fact that abortion is legal murder. I have no intention if arguing that fact or any other fact with any of you. I know the ploy well. Ask me questions to divert attention to me and off the dead babies. I’m not playing that game. The bottom line is that abortion kills babies and Carhart is a serial killer along with all the other abortionists. The rest of your arguments are invalid attempts at diversion.
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May 18, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Dear Nosurprises,
Surprise! You are completely out of your element in your response here. Abortion does not kill babies. It terminates pregnancies. A serial killer is one who serially murders individuals based on some sick something going on in his/her mind. There are no cases in law data concerning serial murders of babies; virtually all such cases involve adults and specific characteristics are involved. Perhaps you need to go to another site to discuss crime?
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May 19, 2013 at 12:31 am
Typical moron Anti Choicer.
Why are they always such stupid people?
They are always to dumb to answer the easiest questions.
Good.
They will always fail . . . .
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May 14, 2013 at 7:14 pm
You must have read LIfeNews because your information, like that sources, is inaccurate. The clinic was shut down because of medication errors and could potentially reopen.
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May 14, 2013 at 4:45 pm
According to the CDC website, a full term pregnancy results in the death of the woman about 6 times as often as an abortion in the first two trimesters (this does not include the back ally abortions which increase as legal abortions are limited), If Nosurprises really cares about women maybe he/she needs to think about that. The “t” word! OMG!
Worldwide data shows that the rate of abortions in countries that are not primarily Muslim is relatively the same whether it is legal in a country or not. Russia is the only real outlier, at about 3x the typical number. I believe this is also from the CDC website, but it was several years ago when I did that search, so I am not certain.
Abortion has a great deal to do with health care. It is a surgical procedure. What part of that don’t you understand, Mary Ann? Don’t bother with the “its a baby” BS; it is a fetus that cannot survive outside the woman and is therefore not appreciably different from a polyp; it simply has the potential of becoming more.
Why does anyone (Lorraine) who believes in a woman’s right to choose ever use the term “pro-life”? I am pro-choice and pro-life as are all of the pro-choice people i know..
Minor correction, Pat. Viagra is not paid for by all insurance plans, but insurers are not prohibited from paying. I suspect that most corporate plans cover it (Hmmm, most corporations are run by men, too.)
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May 14, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Allow me to add to this healthcare–what it is and what is isn’t— abortion issue. As many providers know, especially those in the DC and surrounding areas, men in Congress and other upstanding venues take their girlfriends, mistresses and wives to abortion clinics and expect absolute confidentiality that is mandated by HIIPA laws…. meaning healthcare.
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May 15, 2013 at 7:22 pm
There’s a lot of terms floating around that people use to describe themselves when they want to make their position sound more appealing, even if those terms are a completely (and very deliberately) misleading. One such lie term is “pro-life.”
John Fugelsang said it best: “Only in America can you be pro-death penalty, pro-war, pro-unmanned drone bombs, pro-nuclear weapons, pro-guns, pro-torture, pro-land mines, and still call yourself ‘pro-life.’” Indeed, the term “pro-life” has come to represent a group of people whose values have nothing to do with protecting life, and living people, and more to do with protecting unborn fetuses to the exclusion of all other considerations.
The only way to effectively kill a misnomer, such as “pro-life,” is to replace it with a more accurate description. I would encourage everyone to pick one of these terms, and start using it in place of the words “pro-life,” when discussing abortion.
1. Anti-Abortion: People who call themselves “pro-life” oppose abortion. Since that’s the only argument the “pro-life’ moniker is applied to we should just call their position what it is: opposition to a woman’s right to get an abortion, or anti-abortion for brevity.
2. Anti-Choice: This term works because the people who proclaim that they are “pro-life” are using that term to describe their position in regards to whether or not a woman can choose to have an abortion and absolutely nothing else. See the Fugelsang quote above. Therefore they are anti-choice. “Life” does not even enter the equation.
Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/21/pro-life-lie/#ixzz2TPVdWI3U
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May 18, 2013 at 7:52 am
I’d add pro-fracking & pro-GMO to the list—both known corporate interests that are known anti-life entities
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May 16, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Here’s an excellent critique of Live Action video work
http://www.slate.com/articles/video/slate_v/2013/05/abortion_clinic_video_exposing_fake_selectively_edited_hidden_camera_footage.html
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May 17, 2013 at 7:34 pm
I was gonna post this story but I can see you beat me to it…thanks.
I am so amazed that people actually believes these videos, then again if you are a god-believer you are used to believing in something with no evidence to support your belief. Why are pro-lie, anti-choice people so gullible? Me I am a skeptic, and we could use a few more skeptics in the world.
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May 17, 2013 at 12:47 pm
I just have a really hard time when people insist their way is the best way in most matters concerning life. I have been pro-choice my entire life, as I don’t believe anyone has a right to tell me what to do with my life. What scares me about these anti-abortion crazies is many things but especially when they think nothing of bombing an abortion clinic never knowing if there is someone alive in there. How about the cleaning people that clean offices at night?
These overly righteous anti everything people are so caught up in what they deem is ‘right’, they leave no room for any thoughts about other people. I have always been PRO CHOICE, especially about keeping their rosaries out of woman’s ovaries…Sad to think that it’s 2013 and this ‘fight’ is still going on. No one is asking those people that do not believe in having an abortion to do anything, I just want this choice to be the individual’s choice, which it should be. There’s plenty of crap on TV, but I won’t protest or boycott the shows or their advertisers…it’s supposedly a free country.
I make my choice to not watch certain shows on TV, just as I make the choice as to what food I like. It’s no one’s business what a woman chooses for her own welfare be it mentally or bodily or spiritually.
I do have a problem with the man-made church appointed pope, I have major problems with pedophile priests, reverends, ministers and all other so called religious leaders spewing out bullcrap to their ‘flocks’ about what they ought to THINK, SAY and do…especially when it comes to the major issues. (Although lately everything appears to be a major issue).
I think what really got me hot under the collar was back in the 70’s, a protest was held in front of St Patty’s in NYC. There were signs for ABORTION, that was part of the protest. A woman was carrying a sign that read: “Keep your rosaries out of my ovaries” and I thought, exactly!! That’s IT…no one has a right to have a say so with regard to your body. What GOT me was, Leslie Gore (the singer/songwriter) allowed her song “You Don’t Own Me” to be lent to a PSA pro abortion rights video. Here it is 2013, and some woman in the video was carrying the same sign.
So basically we’ve gone nowhere, round and round in circles. It makes no logical sense to me that anyone at any time has any right to tell anyone what they can and cannot do to their own bodies. That is purely the choice of the woman! Yes, it is that plain and simple to me.
All the religious zealots can be doing so much more with their time and energy like helping the kids that are here already and hungry, homeless, in dire need of every day things. They are a selfish bunch aren’t they?
When you get right down to it, it really can scare the bejeezies out people because the pretzel logic these people toss around is just so full of CAA-CAA..
You cannot be pro-life and carry a gun…
Seeing or hearing an ANGRY Christian is an oxymoron… if their God is supposedly so important in their lives, then there ought to be no hatred, no fear, no accusations, no anger and the list goes on and on.
People in glass houses, ought not to be tossing those big boulders.
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May 18, 2013 at 10:21 am
They are children who want to have their own way, unable to exercise reason to determine what is best for themselves. When not in the grip of demagogues, they are deluded and blinded by their own passions. They are the stuff of which brutal societies are made.
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May 17, 2013 at 1:43 pm
The bottom line is that the proper political response would be to let the voters put a pro-choice law in place via referendum., Remove the legislature. Not all states are set up to do that, I know, but a committed pro-choice coalition can be just as powerful as the evangelical coalitions in turning out the vote. Look at Obama’s two presidential elections; the demographics are in place. Just a thought.
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May 20, 2013 at 10:32 am
To Nosurprises of May 18th: It is quite appropriate to want you to state how many human lives you care for against your will.
The whole success of the so-called “pro-life” movement depends upon a complete separation between caring for fetal life and caring for human life. Once the population knows that life has to be cared for in order to become a fully human one, it will consign the anti-abortion movement to history’s dustbin.
It probably has not occurred to you that the discrepancy between what you say about fetal life and your actual care for human life indicates a serious problem in your grasp of reality– why are you so passionate about a life form that you CANNOT nurture (try get a pregnant woman to stop smoking or eating poorly), short of surrogacy, while you are demonstrably deficient in caring for children you never intended to either have or to raise?
There are far worse things that happen than abortion– and the children you don’t care for experience them.
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