Abortion Care Network
I recently received an email from a woman named Peg Johnston, an old friend up in Binghamton, New York who has been running an abortion facility for many years. She has seen it all: the murders, the bombings, the protests with hundreds of people at her front door. And, like so many of her colleagues, she has persevered.
For many years, she was one of my closest confidants when I was the Executive Director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers. We went through a lot together and, yes, I was a pain in the ass to her at times (or maybe a lot of times). After I left NCAP, she helped transform the organization into what is now called the Abortion Care Network.
In the early years, NCAP was a Capitol Hill lobbying effort that represented independent abortion providers. To this day, I take pride knowing that we actually got three laws passed that provided protection to the doctors, staff and patients who use these facilities. Later, NCAP started focusing on the business side of the industry, putting together group purchasing plans, business conferences, etc. What really got my juices flowing, however, was NCAP’s effort to de-stigmatize abortion. And I was pleased when I received Peg’s email to see that the Network continues to fight to make abortion more acceptable in this country.
Abortion Care Network
It’s hard to believe that after 40 years of legal abortion, the procedure is still shrouded in mystery, spoken only in whispers. Millions and millions and millions of women have availed themselves of this procedure but so many of them still sit by in silence. And that has allowed the anti-abortion movement to fill in the blanks, to demonize abortion and to make women feel ashamed for having them.
But Peg and her group continue to press the envelope. She and her colleagues have seen women come into their facilities, leave and move on with their lives. They continue to insist that “good women have abortions” and that abortion is “okay.” They also believe – and they taught me – that the pro-choice movement needs to speak more honestly about the abortion procedure. They argue that women are not stupid, that they know exactly what goes on during an abortion and it is an insult to obfuscate. “We Trust Women,” is their catch-phrase.
Whether or not the Abortion Care Network or, for that matter, NCAP has had an impact is hard to tell. But I can tell you personally that it sure felt good not having to worry about trying to avoid the “A” word and just putting it out there. Sure, our candor pissed off our pro-choice colleagues at times, but we slept well at night knowing we were telling the simple truth and that, by doing so, we were lifting the veil of secrecy about abortion.
And now Peg and the Abortion Care Network are on to their next project in their never-ending battle to make abortion more acceptable in this country. Below is a link that announces a new video contest they are sponsoring, which speaks for itself. I encourage everyone to submit their videos, to speak out if you’ve had an abortion and, yes, to send money to the Abortion Care Network:
http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e880uqfe81765aa0&llr=rrbrm5cab
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November 4, 2013 at 12:17 pm
How do i find the care network website?
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November 5, 2013 at 2:47 pm
If you click on the Abortion Care Network picture in the article, it should lead you to this web page. http://www.abortioncarenetwork.org/ Hope that helps.
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November 5, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Great site!
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November 5, 2013 at 8:06 am
How about a PR campaign: Videos of successful women enjoying their kids, in comfortable surroundings, with a promising future awaiting them, who say to the camera, “I wouldn’t be in this situation today if I hadn’t had an abortion.”
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November 7, 2013 at 10:03 am
Great idea, Charles, but i wonder how many women would have the courage to do it.
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November 5, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Thanks for the article. I’ll be sharing the Network’s link on my FB page so that others who might be video-makers, can participate.
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November 6, 2013 at 10:40 am
Pro abortion people try to keep the true nature of abortion secret. If there was nothing fundamentally wrong with abortion, then why do pro aborts use deceptive language? You yourselves are ashamed of the procedure, thats why you say you are removing the ‘pregnancy’ instead of removing a child. I just read a 2nd trimester procedure as a ‘removal of tissue’. If there is nothing wrong with abortion, why dont you say the truth? A 2nd trimester D&E abortion entails grabbing a fetus by the limbs with forceps (pliers) twisting the arm until it pops from the socket and then removing it. This is done until all four limbs are removed, then the head is seperated from the torso, the torso is removed then the head is crushed and removed. If this is such a wonderful procedure, why dont you tell women the truth about it.
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November 6, 2013 at 11:31 am
linda, your descriptions reflect more about you than about the realities of women who choose and professionals who provide abortions.
Here are a few truths about women.
Abortion is a moral option for women. In fact, good women of all faiths, single and married, prolife and prochoie, rich or poor, educated or not, choose abortion for many reasons.
The need for abortion will never disappear. If a woman does not want to be pregnant, she will use whatever means available to get rid of the fetus, that which you call a child.
Women know that a pregnancy means the beginning of a human potential, a human life. Knowing that does NOT change her decision to have an abortion. Saying ignorant things like “grabbing a fetus by the limbs with forceps (pliers) twisting the arm until it pops from the socket” will NOT change her decision. It will only make you look pathetic.
Abortion on demand without apology is an ideal.
No fetus should ever, ever have priority over a woman’s life.
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November 6, 2013 at 11:34 am
Well if abortion is so great why do people like you hate to tell women the truth of the procedure? Because deep down inside you know its wrong, thats why.
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November 6, 2013 at 11:53 am
Huge assumptions, my dear, about me. What do you know about me? Further, what truth is there to tell a woman that you imagine a provider won’t tell?
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November 6, 2013 at 12:14 pm
So your saying abortion providers tell women the true nature about her child?
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November 6, 2013 at 12:42 pm
It’s their moral and medical obligation. In some states, it’s the law.
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November 7, 2013 at 10:10 am
I have personally seen women look at an ultrasound of a 22 week fetus/baby and still have the abortion.
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November 7, 2013 at 1:52 pm
I very much believe you, because my husbands ex girlfriend is a devil worshipper, she has had several 2nd trimester abortions. She purposely waits until she’s further along, because its her sacrifice to satan. Not all women are sugar and spice. Some women actually get off on killing their children.
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November 7, 2013 at 10:09 am
Linda, thanks for chiming in. I will first agree with you that many pro-choicers try to avoid the tough issue. Indeed, there are many of them who can’t even said the “A” word. And that’s what the ACN is trying to address, that we talk a little more honestly about abortion. Because the bottom line is that no matter what words we use, women will still have abortions. Indeed, in 1997 I was quoted in a New York Times article where I said “abortion is a form of killing.” And you know what happened? Nothing. Women know what they are doing. Also, we do not think abortion is “great.” I, at least, think it’s sad that a women might be in that situation and have to consider it. I also think it’s sad if she decided to have the baby and gives it up for adoption. I also think it’s sad if they have the unwanted child and he grows up to be a mass murderer. The key is to try to avoid the tough situation in the first place….and I hope anti-abortion folks like you could just exhibit a little more compassion for these women in these very difficult situations. Thanks
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November 7, 2013 at 1:46 pm
You ask for compassion for women who have a choice whether they get pregnant or not, but where is your compassion for the innocent victim in this situation, the child is the one who deserves compassion.
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November 7, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Abortion isnt a ‘form’ of killing, its outright killing another human being. I bet if I killed a puppy with a sledge hammer every pro abort on here would think I was a monster and should be in jail. But at the end of the day the only thing I killed was a dog, not a human being like pro aborts.
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November 6, 2013 at 11:42 am
A D&C abortion. A curette (A loop shaped knife) is inserted into the uterus . The abortionist scrapes and slashes the chilld repeatedly until only tiny pieces remain, then those pieces are sucked out with a suction machine. The childs face iis slashed along with every other part.
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November 7, 2013 at 10:11 am
Thanks, Linda. I had no idea how that works. And your point is? .
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November 7, 2013 at 1:48 pm
The point is how barbaric these procedures are. Pro aborts try to sugar coat them, no diff than removing a hang nail. But the difference is your killing another human being.
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November 7, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Linda,
If abortion is murder what should the punishment be for a woman that buys the abortion pill and induces her abortion?
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November 8, 2013 at 6:07 am
Abortion is murder Carol, there’s no way around that. THE ABORTION PILL SHOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE. What should be the punishment for the Virginia woman who delivered a live baby then suffpcated it. The umbilical cord was still attached so she got off scot free, what should be her punishment Carol?
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November 8, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Linda,
I asked you a simple question.
You believe that abortion is murder.
I am not disputing that you believe this.
You do not need to re-explain your belief.
Your belief is stipulated to be your belief by the fact that you claim it.
It really is that simple.
So, why evade a simple question?
It only reveals that you have not thought this through.
Are you educated and informed enough to answer a simple question?
Be relevant and show that you retain the mental capacity to have a reasonable discussion.
Linda, again, for all the slow learners out there . . .
“If abortion is murder what should the punishment be for a woman that buys the abortion pill and induces her abortion?”
The answer is very simple for someone that believes abortion is murder.
Why are you reticent to write a simple answer to support the integrity of your position?
If you cannot do this you have no credibility.
What you are left with is Personal Incredulity.
It is a common attribute of the Anti Life Pro Death Anti Choice misogynistic GOP.
It is utterly transparent and obvious to the millions that read this column.
Thanks!!!!
It is also why the GOP will never win another national election again.
I want to personally thank everyone on the ‘right’ for being the rump end of the GOP.
😉
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November 8, 2013 at 2:20 pm
They should go to jail, there now happy. Now answer my question about the suffocated infant if you dare.
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November 8, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Linda,
Again,
Why so dense?
They should go to jail for how long?
You need to write a penalty as if it were going to be a law.
If you cannot, then you cannot have a law, and you will never accomplish what you desire.
Why not answer the question?
Many states have the death penalty for 1st degree murderers.
1) DO you disagree with the death penalty four someone that purposefully murders a child?
2) If you believe that 1st degree murder penalty of death should not be applied to abortion, then how is abortion murder in your belief system different than regular murder in your belief system?
3) If you cannot reconcile #1 & #2, how long is the Jail penalty in your legislation?
Thanks for your help supporting the pro choice causes!!!
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November 9, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Carol I dont make the laws in this country, how ever long the penalty is for murder now should apply. Why is a mother who kills her child any diff than a father who kills his child? Do you believe fathers who murder their children should go to jail, if so why, its the same child.
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November 10, 2013 at 10:19 am
Linda,
Please be definitive.
Will you stipulate that you believe the penalty should be life in prison for a woman that induces her own abortion?
Why would you not apply the present death penalty laws?
You still didn’t answer that question.
If it takes 10 correspondences to get you to answer one simple question nothing will ever get done.
The pro choice cause will continue as a guaranteed freedom as long as Anti Choicers are too dumb to support their opinions.
I am thankful that anti choicers are stupid morons.
That is why they are always irrelevant to the conversation.
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November 10, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Carol are you really that dumb or are you just playing dumb, I told you the penalty should be based on current laws for murder. Is that so hard for you to comprehend, must be all that blood in your eyes that keeps you from reading clearly. The mother should get the same penalty as a father that murders his child. If you ask me the same question again, I know youre just as obtuse as you claim me to be. At least I can grasp a simple concept that seems to evade all pro deathers.
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November 10, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Are you for the death of children carol, answer yes or no, its a simpler question than you asked me, now answer it.
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November 11, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Ok Linda,
Let’s pretend your law went into effect.
Women are placed in jail for life for abortion.
It is established that women historically, and even presently in societies where there is a death penalty for abortion still seek it.
If your law and penalty went into effect then the accrued prison population of women in the US would grow to 20 million incarcerated in less than two decades.
We presently are not willing to spend the funds to incarcerate 1/10th that number in the US. To the point where we let violent offenders out of jail because we cannot warehouse them.
1) Who will pay for your law, when the GOP is unwilling to presently pay for 1/10 the prison population.
2) On average women that seek abortion already have >1 child, on Average. So the segment of women incarcerated wil leave well over 20,000,000 children to take care of them.
It appears Linda, that you have not even adopted a single child yourself.
Who is going to take care of all these kids, and who is going to pay for them?
Presently the GOP refuses every notion of taking care of the Present population of impoverished children.
Why would they take care of any more?
How do you make your law and penalties pragmatically work?
If you can’t then you do not have a viable law, and if you do not have a viable law, then stopping abortion will not happen.
3) Since every women that menstruates may have committed the crime of self induced abortion, Linda, how to you propose we screen the population for the women that are aborting their babies?
The only real way is to check Every menstruating woman monthly to see if they were pregnant. Is that part of your plan of surveillance?
Please support your absurd notions.
I am guessing that you can’t, as anti choices are never able to support their opinions.
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November 6, 2013 at 11:46 am
A woman has a right to pills, condoms, injections, implants. tubals, essure, foams, gels, caps, etc. She does not have the ‘right’ to take another human beings life.
Whats the moral difference between a woman killing her child in the womb and a father killing his child in the crib, its the same child?
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November 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Any woman has a right to her own agency. If she wants to abort, it’s her right. Always will be. You can rant ad nauseum using slasher language but it will not change the reality that abortion is right and is a right.
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November 6, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Abortion is a ‘legal right’, but it is NOT morally right. According to your logic no black person was ever murdered in the pre-civil war south because it was legal for a slave owner to whip/sell/kill his slaves. Did that make it ‘right’ because it was legal?
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November 6, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Comparing a fetus to a slave is illogical. Try again.
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November 6, 2013 at 1:05 pm
They are both human beings denied their right to life because of skin color or location. They are exactly the same. Just like you are the same as a slave owner who insists you have the right to do what you will to another human being.
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November 7, 2013 at 10:12 am
Interesting…but she actually does have the right according to the Supreme Court. Or do you question the Court’s legitimacy?
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November 7, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Yes I do question the courts legitimacy.
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November 7, 2013 at 2:03 pm
The court is made of human beings not all knowing demi gods who make no mistakes.
“In March of 1857, the United States Supreme Court, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, declared that all blacks — slaves as well as free — were not and could never become citizens of the United States. The court also declared the 1820 Missouri Compromise unconstitutional, thus permiting slavery in all of the country’s territories.”
Do you think blacks should be slaves just because the supreme court declared them slaves or do you question the courts legitimacy?
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November 6, 2013 at 11:55 am
BTW Kathryn, the world is full of hypocrite christians, because no true christian with a personal relationship with Christ would ever have an abortion. The Bible is clear how God feels about unborn children. The Bible says John the baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost in his mothers womb. God had a personal relationship with that baby. God would not have a personal relationship with a ‘soulless blob’ as pro aborts call it.
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November 6, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Oh, goodie, we have a judgmental christian posting here talking about hypocrites. Can’t get any better than outing your own self online.
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November 6, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Pro aborts are the most judgmental people they are. You believe you have the right to judge who lives and who dies.
Yes, I believe in God and yes I believe abortion is murder. Are you coming out as an atheist?
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November 7, 2013 at 10:13 am
Interestingly, Catholic women have more abortions than any other religion. Hmmmmmm
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November 7, 2013 at 1:54 pm
The catholic church is an apostate church, in fact it is what the Bible calls the Whore of Revelation. Its destruction is gauranteed in the word of God.
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November 7, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Do you believe in God Pat?
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November 7, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Linda,
I worship the One True God and almighty saviour Jesus Christ.
I speak with him several times a day and he has revealed his beneficent knowledge to me to spread to all the unfortunates that do not have the luxury of conversing with him several times a day.
If you want me to ask him any questions I will, and will have absolute and direct answers, if he decides to reveal them.
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November 7, 2013 at 11:20 pm
Linda,
1) Should God’s laws of Leviticus be laws?
2) Should the Ten commandments be laws?
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November 8, 2013 at 6:11 am
Jesus made it very clear what we should follow and yes the Ten Commandments he said to follow. Unborn children have souls at conception. God said he saw us when we were made (concieved). Do you think Jesus thinks it ok to kill children in the womb, if you do then you have no idea who Jesus is.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Linda,
I’m trying really hard to understand you.
If you cannot answer my question you don’t allow me clarity to understand you. If that is your goal, then you are successful!
But that is wasteful of everyone’s time, and only makes you appear pathetically intellectually shallow to the point that you harm your cause.
If your goal is to be understood, a straightforward answer would be an excellent choice for you.
Anti Choice Anti Lifers never seem to understand the simplicity of answering a question to support their position.
1) You didn’t answer my question.
Please look at it. It is very straightforward.
I would appreciate an answer.
2) Someone above speaks with Jesus, don’t you have any questions for them?
Apparently they claim they talk to Jesus several times a day and he talks back to them.
That is pretty impressive to me.
I never get an auditory reply from Jesus. Do you?
Take Care.
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November 8, 2013 at 2:23 pm
I answered your question but apparently the words “jesus said to follow the Ten Commandments” is to hard for you to understand.
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November 8, 2013 at 2:24 pm
btw they dont speak with Jesus, because Jesus wouldnt say abortion was okey dokey, they must be conversing with satan.
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November 8, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Linda,
1) Who are you to declare who does or does not speak with Jesus?
Why would you doubt someone with that claim?
Is it not possible in your belief system?
2) I don’t see where Evelyn is stated any position on Abortion.
If I missed it please point it out.
Anyway, IF that is the case why are you so quick to claim and disparage her by saying she’s talking to Satan?
How would you know?
3) You are a fabulous supporter of Pro Choice causes as every comment reveals more and more incredible lack of ability to answer a direct question.
As well, everyone can read the idiocy of you claiming Your connection with Jesus, yet at the same time, claiming to be the judge and jury of another person you know nothing about – yet you still state they are speaking with Satan.
Please , your comments are treasures. Keep revealing how dumb anti choice misogynists are!!!
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November 9, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Carol pro deathers never answer direct question, case in point, Carol do you support the death of children? Please answer yes or no.
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November 9, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Carol you make yourself the judge and jury over another soul to the point of death. You will stand before God with blood on your hands.
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November 6, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Kathryn that is not true. Pro aborts fight informed consent laws at every turn, they dont want women to know the truth about their baby. If they did they might not abort and that would be bad for business.
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November 6, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Swallowed the kool aid, eh?
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November 6, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Are you denying they fight every piece of legislation that would make it mandatory for a woman to know the true nature of her child? If there is nothing truly wrong with abortion, then why do you fight these laws?
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November 6, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Two Points:
1. Let’s be clear about legislation. First, it’s not doctors legislating laws. It’s the fundamentalists, tea partiers and randy conservatives that are practicing medicine without a license. Second, laws that are euphemistically labeled as a “right to know” use misinformation, bias and actually non-scientific messages. Of course physicians will fight lies and half truths. Third, most of the target regulations against providers do absolutely nothing to protect women. Wider hallways do not make a better physician or counselor or nurse. They only serve to make abortion more expensive, less accessible which is what the anti woman laws expect. In fact, their propaganda campaign through legislation only happens with abortion and contraception. No legislators will mess with cardiology, pediatrics, dermatology, obstetrics/gynecology or plastic surgery even though they do minor surgeries like abortion and even though many of their procedures are far more dangerous than early suction abortions.
In fact it’s comical that antiabortion folks rely on good doctors to treat their ailments using sound medical standards but refuse to accept those same exact standards when abortion enters the conversation. They simply throw out science in favor of dogma, magic and beliefs.
2. What is exactly do you mean when you state the “true nature” of a child in utero?
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November 6, 2013 at 2:29 pm
What misinformation are you talking about? Calling a fetus (which means ‘off spring’ in latin) pregnancy tissue, blobs, cells, parasites are all misleading statements pro aborts use. Thats exactly what I mean about the true nature of the child. You use every term imaginable to keep from calling it what it is, a baby.
If you want to bring science into, science says a new human being comes into existence at conception. At conception the child has its own unique DNA. Its blood type, sex, eye color, height etc is already determined. You deny science to say its not alive or its not human.
An abortionist is NOT a doctor. Doctors heal, abortionists kill. Big difference.
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November 6, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Show me a woman who is pregnant and does not know she is pregnant with a human. You cannot. Nor can you say with any truthfulness that a doctor would deny the zygote/embryo/fetus/baby/child (pick your favorite) is alive or human. Where do you get such a notion? The choice to call a zygote/embryo/fetus such names is scientific, stuff doctors do. The choice to call a fertilized egg a fully formed baby is the stuff of drama queens, antiborts, and the like.
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November 8, 2013 at 6:13 am
Evan a fertilized ‘egg’ is never aborted, that is another misleading propaganda tactic the pro aborts use.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Wow Linda!
You are excellent at supporting the Pro Choice cause!
I can understand why people are generally frustrated just trying to understand your rants.
My comment:
“Linda,
should the fertilized egg have rights?”
How does your reply address this question properly?
I agree with Carol.
It is in your cause’s best interest to just answer the question.
The bizarre obtuse replies only harm your cause even further.
Go for it, I guess, if that’s what you want to do . . .
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November 8, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Evan when pro aborts start answering my questions honestly then maybe I’ll start answering theres. What do you think about the woman in Virginia who suffocated her baby but got off free because the umbilical cord was still attached. Why do all pro aborts dodge this question? Appears you people are not as intellectually honest as you think you are.
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November 8, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Linda,
What a dumb dumb you are.
If someone murdered their baby the law is in place to prosecute them.
Did you forget?
Murdering babies is illegal.
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1) I have not seen you answer a single direct question yet.
2) You have your answer, no one evaded the easy stupid question that you find so intriguing.
3) Now please continue to reveal hope stupid anti choice pro feathers are by not being able to answer the easy questions that have been asked of you.
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November 9, 2013 at 8:26 pm
So Evan you dont believe any black person was ever murdered in the pre-civil war south then do you. After all it was legal for slave owners to whip/sell/kill their slaves. Because according if its legal its not murder. Good to know.
No woman is ever murdered in the middle east either, its legal to kill them their.
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November 7, 2013 at 9:32 am
So your saying all women are fully aware they are murdering a complete human being. Then that makes them monsters. But your wrong, not all woman know this. A lot of women believe the pro death propaganda that its only cells or a blob. I talked to a woman who told me that the babies dont have all their organs until the third trimester. How idiotic is that. But she believed the pro abortion rhetoric.
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November 7, 2013 at 9:53 am
Kathryn you know as well as I do no ‘egg’ is ever aborted. At that stage the woman doesnt even know she’s pregnant yet, that is a drama queen statement.
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November 7, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Linda,
should the fertilized egg have rights?
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November 7, 2013 at 5:51 am
Here’s to those who follow Jesus and the GOP.
http://storify.com/andreagrimes/the-message-of-jesus-christ-according-to-republica
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November 7, 2013 at 6:19 am
From Wendy Davis, a definition of being prolife
“I am pro-life,” she told a University of Texas at Brownsville crowd on Tuesday. “I care about the life of every child: every child that goes to bed hungry, every child that goes to bed without a proper education, every child that goes to bed without being able to be a part of the Texas dream, every woman and man who worry about their children’s future and their ability to provide for that future. I care about life and I have a record of fighting for people above all else.”
“This isn’t about protecting abortion,” Davis explained in the same appearance. “It’s about protecting women. It’s about trusting women to make good decisions for themselves and empowering them with the tools to do that.”
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November 7, 2013 at 9:27 am
Why do the pro aborts always portray woman as incapable invalids, always helpless and needy of support. If a woman cant kill her baby she’s portrayed as a victim, the only victim is the child she killed. Woman are not mindless heifers, they know what causes pregnancy and could avoid it. You cant say you care about children when you want children to die. Thats an oxymoron.
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November 7, 2013 at 10:15 am
Linda, do you at least support the use of birth control (which is one way we can reduce the need for abortion)?
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November 7, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Absolutely. The ‘need’ for abortion is rare. Its the ‘want’ for abortion that is prevalant.
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November 7, 2013 at 11:27 pm
Linda,
Please support your absurd claim by revealing several women out of millions that didn’t believe they needed an abortion.
Accept reality.
Otherwise you do not appear credible.
Almost every women believes they need an abortion when they choose to get one.
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November 8, 2013 at 6:15 am
According to the Gutt, the top reasons for abortion is money, wrong time, not ready, not married. These are all personal reasons not medical nescessities.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Hi Linda,
Thanks for all the imbecilic comments!
Each one individually helps the pro choice cause by revealing how dumb anti life anti choices are.
I asked you “Please support your absurd claim by revealing several women out of millions that didn’t believe they needed an abortion.”
You can’t do it.
That is the answer.
Your claim is absurd, and inaccurate.
As if it was true it would be easy to find several women out of millions that didn’t believe they needed an abortion.
Thanks for proving the Pro Choice position Right again!!
The people that help the Pro Choice cause the most are the crazy moronic, anti life anti choice misogynists.
I praise the little baby Jesus everyday for their collective stupidity.
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November 8, 2013 at 2:30 pm
I know several women who wanted an abortion, not one of them ‘needed it’. Please list all the causes a woman ‘needs’ to kill her child. Remember NEED not WANT. LIST AWAY PLEASE.
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November 8, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Linda,
Please stop lying.
You did not ask the women if they felt they needed the abortion.
You are transparent.
It is so easy to catch the Anti choice Pro deathers in their satanic lies.
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I also noticed your comment about evelyn, who I am also guessing you don’t know.
Would Jesus have stated that she was speaking to Satan?
Would he have spoken so unkindly about a person that he knew nothing about?
Would he have EVER condoned that sort of behavior?
Perhaps the person we need to be concerned with here that is claiming to know the jesus yet behaves in the exact opposite way is the person that has actually been fooled into the clutches of satan.
Are you sure Satan has not gotten hold of your rotting soul?
Jesus should be able to help you write more intelligent comments if you truly know him.
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November 9, 2013 at 10:32 am
Evan, Jesus said to love the children, satan says to kill the children. I think we both know who is following satan here.
My son believes he ‘needs’ $100 shoes, that is a want, not a need. Unless youre dying , these women want an abortion, they dont need one.
The Bible speaks for itself, I dont need Evelyn to misquote scripture to tell how Jesus loves to decapitate children. Maybe you need to get to know Jesus for yourself, then you wont be so quick to condemn others to death.
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November 7, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Hey, folks, I believe that our little Linda, as in Linda Faye, is like Deanna from a few years back—-all bible-clutching antiCatholic, end of times sort of gal. Remember Deanna? Like Deanna, Linda is surely full of a god-deluded sense of self-importance. Unlike Deanna, who was at least quite articulate, LindaFaye is prone to hyperbole, unable to follow lines of thought and quick to judge others.
John Ruskin’s quote from 1875 about the degradation of Christianity seems appropriate here:
“It is neither Madonna-worship nor saint-worship, but the evangelical self-worship and hell-worship — gloating, with an imagination as unfounded as it is foul, over the torments of the damned, instead of the glories of the blest, — which have in reality degraded the languid powers of Christianity to their present state of shame and reproach.”
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November 7, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Don’t be cruel to her, K8; she’s the best the so-called “pro-life” movement has to offer. We should really promulgate her gospel. Mothers would clutch their children to their bosom as she passed down the street….
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November 8, 2013 at 6:17 am
How more degrading than a human become than when that human kills their own child?
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November 8, 2013 at 6:23 am
Please karyn, point out my hyperbole statements if you can.
BTW the self important one is you, you think you are so above another person that you can take their very life, how evil is that.
As far as the catholic church goes. They pray to saints which is unscriptural, they teach purgatory which is unscriptural, they idolize statues, they teach its ok to drink, that all you have to do is confess to a man and your okey dokey, the catholic church is full of hypocrisy.
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November 8, 2013 at 6:18 am
Pro choicers have nothing to offer humanity but the ‘choice’ of death.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Linda,
I am very pro choice.
My wife and I have adopted 13 children.
We support thousands in our are that are impoverished.
In our community over 50% of Pro Choicers support the welfare of children and have adopted. We have not found an Anti choicer yet that has. We suspect there is one out there, but we have not found them yet.
“Pro choicers have nothing to offer humanity but the ‘choice’ of death.”
Is clearly a stupid statement as it disseminates lies.
How many children have you adopted?
How many children do you support?
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November 8, 2013 at 2:33 pm
I KNOW PRO LIFERS THAT HAVE ADOPTED CHILDREN BUT I DONT KNOW ANY PRO DEATHERS THAT HAVE. ITS EASY TO BE AN INTERNET SAVIOR, EVERY PRO ABORT I TALK TO ‘HELPS POOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN’………….YOU STILL SUPPORT DEATH THOUGH DONT YOU TODD
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November 8, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Linda,
I don’t understand your vitriol.
I take care of a lot of children.
Why are you responding to me like that?
Anyway, you didn’t answer my questions:
How many children have you adopted?
How many children do you support?
Instead you just ranted a nutty comment back at me, why?
In our church this would never be tolerated.
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November 9, 2013 at 10:34 am
What kind of ‘church’ condones the murder of children…………….”many profess me with their mouth, but their heart is far from me”……………….You dont have the heart of Christ, you have religion, BIG DIFFERENCE.
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November 8, 2013 at 6:37 am
Pro aborts love to quote Exodus 21:22-23 “And if men strive together, and hurt a pregnant woman, so that her fruit [children] come out, and yet no harm follows; the one who hit her shall surely be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall impose upon him; and he shall pay a fine as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth . . .”
Pro aborts use this to say, see God doesnt care about unborn children, but this actually proves he does. This verse is not about the woman, there were already laws to protect the woman from injuries. This is specifically about an unborn baby, if you kill it, you die, life for life.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:34 pm
I am Hindu.
I don’t care about your silly book of magic.
Why would you quote your fairy tales to me?
Do you thick they are they ONLY source of moral guidance?
If you do, that is very sick.
That bible is a horror story of barbaric murder wrought by a despicable child like silly, but murderous, god.
Christians have murdered more people than any other group in the history of civilization by using that barbaric book you like.
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November 8, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Actually atheists have murdered more people than anyone else in history………..Bonaparte, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Mussolini……………together these atheists have murdered over 100 million people. Btw hindus have murdered 50 million girls since the early 1980s(born girls) . So your little christian rant is absurd.
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November 8, 2013 at 8:18 pm
No Linda,
It is well documented.
Anyone with a single working neuron understands this simple history.
The mass murder committed by the Catholic Church, let alone all the Christians, is so much higher than ALL the dictators combined.
Why do you defend Christian mass murdering rampages?
Wouldn’t jesus find christians that have murdered in his name revolting?
If he would not like that, why do you defend it?
Christian Institutional murder and Christian Pedophilia have been a plague on humanity for nearly two millenium.
It is beyond my ability to understand why all christians refuse to acknowledge any of this.
Think of the mass murder of 95% of the indigenous population of North and South America committed by Christians!
That alone is more murdering than hitler and stalin and the others combined ever did.
The crimes against humanity committed by those dictators was wrong, and we have gotten rid of them.
The crimes committed against humanity by Christians is greater, yet Christians still hold on.
Christians should renounce their satanic ways . ..
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November 9, 2013 at 10:37 am
Tyler killing children is satanic, but you uphold it dont you.
BTW dont confuse catholics with christians, the catholic church is the whore of revelation, her destruction is guanteed in the Bible. The catholic church is an apostate church that has completely perverted the word of God, they are NOT christians.
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November 9, 2013 at 10:39 am
One more thing, the 95% you speak of, most died of diseases brought over by the europeans, not direct killing, although many did die that way.
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November 8, 2013 at 6:50 am
“But when it comes to later abortions, our movement runs away or starts apologizing for them by pointing to the fetal deformity cases. That is a problem and it was quite evident when we were confronted with the “partial birth abortion” mess. The movement said they were only used in rare circumstances of fetal deformity of when the womans’ health/life was in danger. And, ultimately, the public learned that was not the case.”
This is a quote from Pat Richards, even she admits late term abortions are performed when there is no medical necessity for them.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:08 pm
For it is the fool who says in her heart, “There is no God”, believing she answers only to herself. For she testifies aloud, saying, “It is my body, my choice”… YOU CHOOSE DEATH! Says The Lord. For the child within you is Mine, even as you are Mine also! Your body is not your own!… All belongs to The Lord!
Thus says The Lord: Murder of the innocent leads to the death of the guilty, who carry the innocent within them; take no part in their suicide. For all who do wear equally the guilt of the mother, all seek the penalty of death; from the lawmakers to the voters, to the building owner, to the workers, to the suppliers, to the mother, and finally to the father, if he does not take a stand to protect the helpless and the innocent who are without blame… Behold, they have brought the wrath of God upon their nation, upon their state, and upon all their cities! Calamity upon calamity, until I have laid them waste!
Thus says The Christ, even I who bought you: Whatsoever you have done to the least of these, My children, you have done unto Me… Even so, call upon My name, in all repentance and faith, and you shall surely live and not die. For I had first died for you, and was raised to life so you may be with Me, where I am, and be as I am… Restored in My name……..Jesus
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November 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Hey Linda!
I saw some of your rantings on the twitter feed.
I was curious.
Do agree with the Christian Anti Choice Pro Death Gun Worshippers that say they need there assault weapons and more weapons so they can fight the government (with their weapons – yes another civil war when the citizenry pass a law they disagree with?
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November 8, 2013 at 2:40 pm
I see nothing wrong with handguns or hunting rifles. No one needs AK47s.
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November 8, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Hi Linda,
I guess I’ll paste the question again.
I am not sure what is so difficult about it.
Please read it again. The answer should not be too hard.
“Do You agree with the Christian Anti Choice Pro Death Gun Worshippers that say they need their assault weapons and more weapons so they can fight the government (with their weapons – yes another civil war) when the citizenry pass a law they disagree with?”
It really is a yes or no question?
Do you agree with those crazy christians or not?
Yes? No?
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November 9, 2013 at 10:43 am
I gave you my answer, what is so hard for you pro deathers to understand. You always want yes or no answers, but you people always refuse to give yes or no answers. I see no difference in the people you describe and you.
You are pro death Elisa, so why are you attacking others.
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November 9, 2013 at 10:44 am
Elisa are you for the death of children? Yes or no please!!
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November 8, 2013 at 3:15 pm
How far has this country fallen, when trying to save a human life is deemed a ‘rant’ or you have to explain over and over why its wrong to take a human life.
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November 8, 2013 at 3:21 pm
“As usual, there is a rampaging ranting anti choice anti life misogynist disseminating misinformation on our blog”
You are ANTI LIFE……..remember abortion ends a life.
misogynist……….nope try again, its hard to hate women when you are a woman………….why I hate is murder
Misinformation………what misinformation have I given……………..please explain in detail what I have said that isnt true.
rampaging and ranting…………….hhhhhmmmm, defending life is a rant……….so what is taking a life?
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November 8, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Hey, Linda~~
At last, a worthy successor to John Dunkle, full of energy!
You haven’t answered my question regarding the upbringing of Bobby Darin and Ted Bundy.
What are you willing to do to prevent a child from growing up to kill three to five dozen, as Ted Bundy did?
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November 8, 2013 at 5:21 pm
who is john dunkle?
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November 8, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Hi Linda,
You will probably find his writings interesting.
He has a newsletter as well.
He likes to intimidate women outside their homes and scare their children.
He likes to say inappropriate things to women as they walk into their doctor’s office – even though he has No idea why they are going to the doctor.
It goes on, and on.
Is this the kind of person you admire?
http://abortion.ws/dunkle-com/
Check him out.
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November 9, 2013 at 10:46 am
Hi Terry, is George Tiller or Leroy Carhart the kind of men you admire?
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November 9, 2013 at 1:06 pm
No I dont like it when people intimidate children, nor do I like it when people kill them.
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November 8, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Or a child growing up to be just like you? That is a pointless argument, if we judged every person on what they ‘might do’ vs what they actually do, then most people, including you, would be in prison. I cant sit here and say this child will be a scientist, this one a druggie, this one an engineer, this one a mass murderer………..do you know what each child will become?
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November 9, 2013 at 9:23 am
Linda, if children do not receive nurture, they grow up to be animals or worse– you might have missed PBS’s treatment of the girl who was strapped to a potty chair until she was rescued at age 13 (“Secrets of the Wild Child”) or “L’Enfant Sauvage,” the film about the French boy who was abandoned to the wild when quite young. And then there’s Ted Bundy, who didn’t have to grow up to kill three to five dozen women.
In view of how dangerous Bundy grew up to be, don’t you think that if you insist a child be born that you should be willing to sacrifice your time and money to make sure it doesn’t grow up to be a killer?
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November 9, 2013 at 10:49 am
So youre implying that no mass murderer has been born post Roe V Wade?
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November 9, 2013 at 11:38 am
Linda,
Don’t you think that if you insist a child be born that you should be willing to sacrifice your time and money to make sure it doesn’t grow up to be a killer?
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November 9, 2013 at 12:46 pm
All right, tell me how to stop someone from growing up to be a serial killer.
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November 8, 2013 at 6:49 pm
I’m no psychiatrist, no psychologist, no counselor but I certainly think LIndafayethompson would benefit from one.
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November 9, 2013 at 10:52 am
Well Kathryn if you knew me at all, you would know intimidation, the same type of intimidation you accuse pro lifers of, only fuels my fire.
Thank you for proving what hypocrites pro deathers like you really are.
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November 9, 2013 at 10:54 am
Kathryn I had only inteded to stay here for a few days to leave some comments, but now i think I will never leave!!!!!!!!!
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November 9, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Oh, goodie. At least, we can thanks Ms Thompson, aka Lindafayethompson, for keeping our numbers high because she posts incessantly. Even out of bad comes good.
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November 9, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Youre right Kathryn, God said his word will not return void, someone will see the scriptures and believe, even if you dont.
Linda faye thompson ………….defender of life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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November 9, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Hi folks I’m Linda Faye Thompson and I am prolife………………Linda faye Thompson is pro life…………..linda faye thompson is pro life………..linda faye thompson is pro life………………..there Kathryn Ranieri…………..since you think my name is so beautiful I helped you out………siighned…………LINDA FAYE THOMPSON!!!!!:)
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November 8, 2013 at 8:48 pm
I’m enraged… This is our right; our body, our choice. Why is it even up for legal debate?! Currently, I am reading a great but heart breaking book regarding women whom had abortions before abortion was legalized again. The unnecessary deaths and harm will come back and these insane bans will NOT stop abortion! As women fought for their rights prior Roe Wade 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 women had had an abortion, pretty much the same statistics as we see today. We must educate ourselves to the best of our abilities for when the government turns back time
When it comes down to it, though… if they really were “pro-life” they wouldn’t be forcing women to resort to other, dangerous methods. Knowing that we will, however, would make them think twice, one would think. I know if I got pregnant again, I couldn’t handle it. My heart and tears go out to every woman who is wanting an abortion but struggling as the legal system and religious zealots try to invade our bodies.
Sorry for the novel of a comment!
http://proabortionprolife.wordpress.com/
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November 9, 2013 at 4:37 pm
ausedpoetictragedy, the matter is up for legal debate because “pro-choicers” ALWAYS fight a defensive battle. There is nobody out there apparently who has the guts to point out that the so-called “pro-lifers” are nothing but a dysfunctional self-help group, focused on antiabortionism as an imagined solution to their own problems with death and powerlessness. I gave it a try with aborticientrism for thirty years and got nowhere…
As long as you allow the aborticentrics to set the terms of the debate, you will always have legal debate about your right to an abortion.
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November 9, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Show me some more scriptures that YOU think justify abortion
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November 9, 2013 at 10:55 am
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart…”
– Jeremiah 1:5
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November 9, 2013 at 11:39 am
How about Ecclesiates IV, i-iii, which justifies abortion? And it is the word of God!!!
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November 9, 2013 at 1:04 pm
This verse is not justifying murdering unborn children. Solomon is lamenting the treatment of the oppressed by the oppressors. He has become cynical of the evil he has seen around him. You can take this verse to mean its better to be dead than to be poor, or its better to be dead than to be sick or have a disease. Are you willing to kill off everyone who has ever been oppressed in some way? In fact he looks on with disgust, how the strong treats the weak. In abortion, the child is the weak oppressed one.
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November 11, 2013 at 9:39 am
Throughout his/her childhood, the child is the weak, oppressed one. It’s interesting as well as significant that you focus only on that segment of the spectrum of life where you can do absolutely nothing to actually help a [admittedly potential human] life to avoid both weakness and oppression.
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