Congress began the 2015 session proposing more anti-abortion legislation, keeping in step with legislators at the state level doing the same. Abortion rights have been chipped away so continuously, many of us have come to expect more, no matter how ludicrous.
The proposed laws calling for intrusive, expensive, and uncomfortable (even painful) transvaginal ultrasounds and mandated scripted information containing unscientific , inaccurate or incorrect information to abortion patients serve no purpose but to promote anti-abortion propaganda and delay access to abortion services. Some proposals are truly bizarre. An addendum to legislation in North Carolina that passed in 2013 is currently being pushed by some politicians to “…[establish] governing and quality assurance boards and [designate] a chief executive to handle day-to-day operations…” Exactly what will an additional layer of bureaucracy in a medical practice accomplish for women’s health?
When asked to describe the benefits of these laws, the answers are generally the same and women generally have reactions of disbelief to their claims:
Women need to be “properly” informed. Once they are provided the right information, they will be less likely to have an abortion. Uh, yeah, even we women know that we really just do not know what we are doing when it comes to pregnancy, abortion, or other decisions involving our reproductive lives. Yep. We women need the wisdom and personal, often religious, convictions of politicians before we can feel confidence in our decision. We should not trust ourselves or our medical care providers.
It protects women’s health. Abortion is such a dangerous procedure with two victims – the pregnant mom is scarred for life and her child is killed. Can you please just give specifics about how it actually protects women? Are you saying that childbirth is safer or, really, be honest, are you just trying to put another barrier in place to stop women from choosing to have an abortion? Or, are you thinking illegal abortion would be better somehow?
We care about women and children. Oh, I know, I know…you will eventually convince me to give birth whether I am a healthy young woman, a 46-year-old woman with four children and no desire for more, a woman with chronic health conditions, a 13-year-old unprepared for pregnancy and parenting, an 11-year-old pregnant as a result of repeated sexual molestation from a male relative, or any other woman in any other circumstance. You care so much that you will promise to support me spiritually, emotionally, and financially until my offspring become adults. Oh, wait…I forgot, most of you actually stop supporting women once we give birth, once the fetus becomes a child.
If we assume for a moment that those who support abortion restrictions are sincere in their claims that they believe women should be properly informed, that the laws protect women’s health, and that they care about women and children, then they should also support other reproductive healthcare-related proposals that have the same goal in mind. If the premise of restrictive abortion laws is really about informing and protecting women, then laws must be developed to ensure that all women who get pregnant and plan to give birth are aware of the risks involved. All medical practices that have pregnant women as patients must arrange for structural modifications to their facilities to ensure women and the government that they can properly respond to medical emergencies that might arise. The medical providers of pregnant women must also be required to make specific, politically dictated statements about the range of risks involved in pregnancy and childbirth although, unlike the “abortion information,” statements can be based on empirical data and medical facts.
Research by Elizabeth G. Raymond, MD, MPH and David A. Grimes, MD and published in the American College of Obstetrician and Gynecology’s Obstetrics & Gynecology (February 2012), concluded, “Legal induced abortion is markedly safer than childbirth. The risk of death associated with childbirth is approximately 14 times higher than that with abortion. Similarly, the overall morbidity associated with childbirth exceeds that with abortion.” (Full PDF article available at no charge through embedded link.) While I am not interested in shattering the joy of women learning of a wanted positive pregnancy test, fair is fair. There are risks associated with pregnancy and childbearing for which women should receive appropriate medical information. Given the political and religious propaganda out there, the chances are that a lot of women think that pregnancy and childbirth are safe. If women cannot be respected as able to independently make decisions about abortion, how can we possibly believe them able to make decisions concerning pregnancy and childbirth?
In addition to pregnancy and childbearing putting women at a higher risk of death than abortion, there are numerous risk factors that require medical attention and monitoring, including prior to conception. Rh incompatibility, kidney disease, diabetes, polycystic ovary syndrome, and autoimmune diseases are among the many conditions that can dramatically complicate the health of pregnant women and their babies. Age and lifestyle are other factors that obstetricians must consider during preconception consultations and prenatal treatment practices. The latest blow to pregnant women and fetal wellbeing is research concerning the influence of the time interval between the delivery of the first baby and conception of the second. “[A]n interval of less than 12 months causes an increased risk for severe preterm birth in women who already suffered preterm birth in their first pregnancy” was the primary finding of the research, which will be presented this week at the Society of Maternal-Fetal Medicine’s annual meeting.
Obesity is one of the most common risk factors for women in developed countries. According to research published in Science Daily (July 2010), “The heavier the woman, the higher the risk of induced preterm birth before 37 weeks, with very obese women at 70% greater risk than normal weight women. Overweight or obese women also had a higher risk of early preterm birth (before 32 or 33 weeks). Again, the heavier the woman, the higher the risk of early preterm birth, with very obese women at 82% greater risk than normal weight women.”
All proposed Pregnancy and Childbearing Risk Awareness legislation should reach far to include all possible complications – just as restrictive abortion legislation underscores improbable complications such as a perforated uterus or death. For example, maternal mortality is on the rise in the United States, with roughly 18 out of 100,000 women dying from pregnancy-related complications in 2013; between 1998 and 2005, the figure was much lower, with roughly eight deaths per 100,000 pregnant women. In 2011, the Center for Disease Control reported 17.8 deaths per
100,000 pregnant women, noting also significant racial disparities with a rate of 12.5 per 100,000 white women and 42.8 per 100.000 black women. The death rate from abortion is one for every one million abortions performed at eight weeks or less, one for every 29,000 abortions performed at 16 to 20 weeks gestation, and one for every 11,000 abortions performed at 21 weeks or later. Obviously, far more women die due to pregnancy-related complications than abortion complications, even at the later stages of gestation. It is only appropriate to ensure that women have the correct information so that they can decide if they really want to be pregnant and if motherhood is actually worth such possible health concerns.
Those of us who believe that reproductive justice is critical to achieving social and economic equality for women know that women can and do think for themselves in every sphere of life and most especially their reproductive lives. We also make many household and relationship decisions, not to mention educational and career decisions. We do not need politicians, pastors, or “sidewalk counselors” to help us make informed, personal decisions nor do we need them to create laws to try to impose their views on us. If they feel they must be a part of our reproductive lives, they should go about it fairly and provide complete and accurate information on abortion and pregnancy.
March 1, 2015 at 5:26 pm
regretful, I have NEVER, EVER encouraged someone either to have an abortion or to bear a child to either raise or place for adoption. For friends, relatives or clients who told me their intentions, I would say, “Here’s something you might find helpful,” even if offering that information meant a strong likelihood of the state having to remove their child years later for its own protection, perhaps on my report. Neither did I persuade my wife what to decide about her pregnancy or about her relationship to our child when we separated and divorced.
However this is not about me; it is about you. You are distraught by a choice you made (based on lack of information), and you have been burdened by years of suffering for it. In any break of affection with friends or relatives— and there must have been some— you would have taken the right steps to make amends; otherwise, you would surely remember them as to be avoided. But in this situation, you are dealing with a sterner and less forgiving judge than any friend ever was: yourself.
Are you sterner with yourself than you are with your friends and relatives who have had an abortion? (If you don’t know any friends who have had one, none probably has told you. It is likely that one out of every four women you know has already had an abortion;by the time you are 45, it will be one out of every three, the rate for the UK.)
So, my question is: can you be a friend to yourself and set the terms of your expiation rather than keep beating up on yourself? (The criminal justice system in the United Kingdom is much kinder to much worse people— e.g, Robert Thompson and Jon Venables— than you have been to yourself.) Does your counselor explore this with you?
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March 1, 2015 at 8:42 pm
I am not sure why suddenly only comment 101 is shown (102 is SPAM that I will remove). However, I can still see the comments on my phone as long as I do not close the ap. I have really appreciated and respect the dialogue taking place. Thank you to all.
Regretful, any ethical, thoughtful, and normal pro-choice person would never sanction anyone having an abortion they did not want. I am sorry that happened to you. It should not have and I am concerned that the counseling you have received to date has not been more helpful to your recovering from or becoming more accepting of the trauma you have suffered. I am truly very sorry for you and other women like you.
I can personally tell you about the horrors of adoption, “baby stealing”, deception in a broad range of circumstances within the situation of a pregnant 14-year-old in 1976. I was that 14-year-old. My own parents deceived me over a medical issue concerning my son, convinced me that he could only receive proper care if they adopted him; some lawyer lied on documents that she represented me and that I was given full information; another lawyer lied about being my son’s guardian ad litem; I gave my signature of consent under the belief that my role as mom would remain intact physically and psychologically – I did what I believed I had to do in order for my son to receive medical care. Shortly afterwards, and by then I had just turned 16, my parents took off with my son, abandoning me to survive with nothing but restaurant jobs, no high school diploma, and a VW Beetle.
If you were interested and we both had time, I would share with you what it was like to be homeless, to be in extremely dangerous situations a few times, and, on a brighter note, how much I learned about life, people, and self that has made me a better person, at least I think.It sounds to me like you are very willing to share your experiences, which I know will be helpful to others. As Chuck stated, you made a choice without all the information. You cannot reverse that choice. You nonetheless deserve forgiveness from yourself.
Thank you for sharing your experience. No one is to blame for good intentions but everyone should be accountable to proffering options in an honest, fully informed manner. Whatever we might not have in common, what we do have in common is wanting pregnant women to be fully informed of parenting, adoption, and abortion. It is not our place to push them to take a clinical, emotional, religious, or relaxed approach. It is our place to respect the approach the woman finds most comfortable for herself.
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March 2, 2015 at 4:11 am
“…what we do have in common is wanting pregnant women to be fully informed of parenting, adoption, and abortion.”
Kimmie, be honest with me here. Where do you think a woman will be better infomred — from a business that will get $500 if she chooses to kill or from those who have nothing to gain or lose financially no matter what she chooses?
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March 2, 2015 at 6:24 am
That is a fair question John; let me take it further: Be honest with me here. Where to you think a woman will be better informed – from a lawyer and network of independent/freelance social workers, doctors, CPC referrals that stand to gain many thousands, or a medical practice that charges $500 for an abortion? Also, those who proselytize and manage to convert someone, especially a vulnerable pregnant woman, gain within their congregations…
I maintain that women have to make their own choice. For some it is difficult to choose which is best; for others it is not difficult. The bottom line is that women need accurate information that is based in fact.
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March 2, 2015 at 8:47 am
Mr. Dunkle says:
“Kimmie, be honest with me here. Where do you think a woman will be better infomred — from a business that will get $500 if she chooses to kill or from those who have nothing to gain or lose financially no matter what she chooses?”
That’s not the issue facing regretful at this time.
She apparently has been going to a counselor or series of counselors who believe abortion is so terrible that it’s their job just to agree with her it was a bad thing and keep her crying for years.
This is called “bias,” and it’s very unprofessional. Reputable programs screen their students for it before accrediting them, because otherwise it does no good to release them onto a trusting and unsuspecting public.
Biased counselors miss very, very important messages from their patient. One egregious example is the famous “pro-life” counselor Carol Everett who blamed her criminal greed on her own “post-abortion syndrome.” In her talk to a group of us, she related how a child of a family that was into “drinking and drugging” who came in for her first abortion at 14 and her second at 17 (with the 31-year-old boyfriend) was clearly impelled by “post-abortion syndrome.” She never reported the child as a victim of sexual abuse, which clearly was the case in the latter, if not the former, instance. No, for Carol it was all Satan and the effects of abortion, nothing to help the child escape her fate.
Of course, crisis pregnancy centers are not known for their professionalism. Typical is the case of the Western (Montana, I believe) legislator who is a member of the board governing a CPC. In a committee meeting, he asked a witness if a woman couldn’t swallow a camera that would show the development of the fetus. And of course, he hires the person who hires the counselors.
regretful probably has never had a counselor who has a clue, but as long as they keep getting paid for her failure, they’ll keep her coming back and encouraging her to cry.
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March 2, 2015 at 9:18 am
All excellent points with which I agree.
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March 3, 2015 at 10:07 pm
You know, lots of times a client develops a really great relationship with a counselor– but no therapy happens. It’s just a schmoozing session (I used to hang around with a few, so I know.) One former co-worker has a very, very serious health problem which threatens to leave her semi-paralyzed sooner or later; we in her circle knew what the underlying problem was– that her therapist supports her decision not to deal with it– and none of us will probably be able to discuss it frankly with her until she is bedridden after the stroke.
This is of course upsetting to say the least.
Apart from that blatant example, what other sort of indications are there when a counseling regimen is not working, even though there might be a strong bond between the two? What clues should a client have about the therapist’s efficacy?
And is there any objective way to compare the quality of counseling services? In my town, apart from the few alternative-therapy independents (aromatherapy, reflexology, etc.), it’s sort of a blind stab when you pick one– and you don’t find out they’re not very good until they get fired.
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March 4, 2015 at 9:21 pm
I guess there aren’t.
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March 6, 2015 at 5:52 pm
Why not put your “unborn child” up for adoption with a nice so-called “pro-life” Christian couple?
Here’s why not:
http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/a-child-left-unprotected/Content?oid=3691164
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March 7, 2015 at 9:07 am
My God what a mishmash. Gotta run now but I’ll get back to it.
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March 7, 2015 at 2:29 pm
The adoption went bad. Non-adoptions go bad. Those are terrible reasons for killing anybody.
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March 7, 2015 at 4:52 pm
I’m sure that your deliberate obtuseness has strained your marriage many times.
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March 6, 2015 at 6:48 pm
Thank you for the post and link Chuck. I have shared it elsewhere too.
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March 7, 2015 at 8:11 am
I hope it helps, Kimmie.
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March 7, 2015 at 2:26 pm
Kimmie and Pat, I told you I’d keep you up to date about my son Matthew. He died yesterday at 11 AM in my arms. He was 48.
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March 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Sad to hear that, Mr. Dunkle.
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March 7, 2015 at 5:48 pm
Thank you, Chuck.
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March 7, 2015 at 7:05 pm
So grateful that you were with him, holding him, and he died knowing the love of his father. Sorry for your loss John. No matter how much we might expect loss in the case of illness, it is always painful. Take care of yourself.
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March 8, 2015 at 5:29 am
Thank you, Kimmie.
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March 9, 2015 at 2:33 pm
regretful’s experience with a “post-abortion syndrome” counselor makes me curious as to whether anybody has any details about how that counseling works and how it’s supposed to work. Anybody have any data?
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March 9, 2015 at 2:44 pm
I am not aware of any reliable data Chuck… The “data” that I have come upon over the years is primarily from unlicensed, untrained CPCs and linked to “babies saved” or “moms who regretted abortion” biases. There are surveys, as I am sure you know, concerning women’s feelings post abortion and even those have design flaws. There does not seem to be a repository for public health, objective measures of how many are or have been involved in counseling due to abortion although the medical community officially concludes from time to time that no post abortion syndrome exists because so few people can be identified.
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March 9, 2015 at 7:46 pm
Well, Kimmie, the singular of data is anecdote. I have a feeling that cpc’s probably hire their counselors the way the British public school system hired their religion teachers after World War II.
The public coffers were so bare, the government decided to cut back on the pay of those who taught religious education (Church of England is the state religion and therefore religious instruction was mandatory).
Of course, the best-qualified couldn’t afford to teach for such paltry pay, so they left.
And who applied? Zealous atheists, who were more than willing to peddle their agenda to whole classrooms at one time.
So, my theory is that, given the low, low pay typical of cpc’s, counselors in general are probably very personable and well-meaning people, but with an agenda of their own rather than with the skills to help someone in trouble find the inner strength and external resources to overcome their problem.
I suspect that any number of counselors, like the egregious Carol Everett, are using their position largely to buttress their own prejudices: “Another woman came in today, weeping. I agreed with her that abortion is terrible. She’ll be back next week. It will always afflict her.” That sort of thing.
Of course, none will step forward in these pages to discuss this, but that’s not my problem.
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March 12, 2015 at 2:58 pm
Here’s my sense of how a “post-abortion trauma” counseling session goes:
Therapist: So, how has this past week been?
Patient: Terrible. I feel so guilty about having had an abortion fifteen years ago. I cried so much at work they fired me.
T: That’s terrible, but as long as your credit card’s good, I’ll do what I can to support you. How did you feel when they fired you?
P: I just melted, the same way I did the week after the abortion. I still feel like I’m scum.
T: Well, that’s to be expected, considering how horrible abortion is. That poor, poor child. . . Here’s a Kleenex, and don’t worry about the cost. I can understand how you feel– and you don’t look good, either. The whole world probably can tell from the way you look that you had an abortion. How do you keep bearing up under it?
P: It’s– it’s– like a b- b- bad dr– dr– dr–
T: You’ll have to enunciate better. I don’t understand you very well when you’re blubbering.
P: –Dream. I do so want to get over this!
T: Well, you can’t. That’s why I’m here for you. Just let it all hang out for fifty minutes every week, and God will forgive you.
P: It’s been fifteen years and He hasn’t forgiven me yet!
T: Well, you committed a sin that’s going to send you to Hell; you just have to allow that He has to make sure that you’re truly sorry. Maybe by next week.
P: Well (sniffles), I hope it happens. When I look at my two friends who had abortions and got on with their lives, though, I wonder.
T: Well, you can be sure they’re going to Hell. They might look like they’re doing well, but you can be sure they will burn in eternal fire forever. Can you imagine the look on their face when St. Peter hurls them into the Pit?
P: Well, that makes me feel better! Thank you so much!
T: Next week, same time? Oh, and leave the Kleenex box here. Bye-bye!
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March 12, 2015 at 3:20 pm
Oh jeez Chuck – I think you are correct, but hate to know or think about how correct you actually are…
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March 12, 2015 at 8:43 pm
Well, Kimmie, somebody in the know will elucidate me if I’m wrong.
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