There have been a large number of commentaries by individuals who dogmatically state that a women has no right ever to choose and abortion under any circumstance.
Yet when replied to by other individuals, they never respond with any objective reasoning?
To note, every professional, professional organization, and many clergy on the planet, from all the major religions, as far as we could tell from our diligence and vetting, including every right to life group that would respond, agreed with the position that women could end their pregnancy under this circumstance.
So Why do the commenters believe otherwise? I believe we will know by their continued absence of response. But we would be delighted to hear an intelligently formed argument against a women’s choice in this circumstance. No soliloquies or pulpits please, just he facts.
We want to give them the benefit of the doubt, so we ask one of these simple questions again.
Some respond with the same rhetorical gibberish, never answering the hard real world questions posed by so many intelligent and concerned individuals.
It is difficult to understand. It infers that people who harbor these dogmatic beliefs, will not allow their minds to accept the reality of women in need and the difficult choices they may sometimes must make. Instead of educating themselves they withdraw into the catacombs of ancient cliches, and reveal no education into biology, formal logic, ethics, or medicine. The issues are not that complicated. Would one person, one, please respond appropriately. It would be appreciated, as there has yet to be a good response to the very many important issues brought up regarding the women’s right to choose to control her own body.
One simple example I have seed posted, is the women with an anencephalic (a fetus that has had the misfortune of the developmental path that did not create the neurological substrate for brain formation) – In fact many do not even have cranium. They fetuses all die at, around, or before or shortly after birth and never cognate, unless one believes that cognition takes place in the liver (some do, strangely enough). It is extremely sad. These women will not have a successful pregnancy, as a severe anencephalic, has never grown a brain.
So, out of the hundreds of thousands of individuals who have been trained in Obstetrics and women care, NOT one has agreed with the lack of choice for that women to end her pregnancy.
That is intelligent to end these pregnancies early (please see the literature on this point as it is overwhelming without any deviance). As many of these women, if they choose to let the pregnancy continue, end up with hysterotomy, ruptured uterus, hysterectomies and lose child bearing, hemorrhage, infection from bloood transfusion, and even death.
At a minimum, they have gone full term to have a dead baby.
If there is a single person out there which can make an argument to why these women should not have the choice of ending their pregnancy we welcome that point and discussion.
In the absence of that we will conclude that this issue of anencephally is presently a settled discussion.

June 29, 2008 at 10:25 am
Thank you, very well put. Clearly no right to lifer has any sense in this matter as far as I can tell from these posts.
It would be so refreshing for a single person to be minimally educated.
They just are not as far as I can tell.
They are only able to regurgitate the oddest of fringe beliefs. It is actually scary to think that they have the right to vote!
They are relegated to the misinformed, as evidenced by a complete lack of educated comment. There arguments are so bizzare, one must believe they are mentally incompetent. I cannot think of a better explanation, but welcome one. It is OK, I belief that they should receive free mental health care. In a nation as affluent as ours, we should afford them that. I do have empathy for those lacking the brainpower to educate themselves. Although in their ignorance I suspect they still may derive happiness. I would never legislate against their ability to maintain there own beliefs. I would only work to legislate that crazy people cannot legislate to limit mine, or the control of my body.
We must set up the most minimal boundaries of intrusion, to support civil liberties.
Has any pro lifer ever had a greater than below average understanding of biology?
They appear to be the most lowly uneducated subset of hominids. I wish them all the medical needed to help them in their standard delusions and some obvious physcosis.
Please, all you clueless people, please, please, repond to the moderator’s request for some intelligence.
That would be appreciated!
Regards,
Bill
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July 18, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I am a pro-lifer and understand that when it comes to medical with the unborn child it is best left between the woman and her doctor. Obstetrics are well trained to make medical desions concerning mother and child even if that includes ending pregnacy. I would assume that is the only best choice that could have been made. Even Pro-Lifers I am sure are faced with same decisions. I had a scare myself of cancer with my second child when I asked the doctor what if I do? Aboration, he said. I told him Id rather die. That would of been my choice. I would not want to make that choice for another woman its not my place. Anyways, with further tests everything came back ok. Had second son full term. It was however frightning enough to bring me to tears while my heart sunk.
My personal belief is that the child is seperate from me therefore I have only the right to protect said child. I believe the unborn has inalienable Rights that must be defended.
Another thing is the genetic make up of a child is indeed only half that of a womans the other half a man in which a woman should not shun aside the genetic rights of the man to that child. Reproductive rights should start and end in the bedroom. Once sleeping with another you have given up that right willfully getting pregnant. My suggestion dont sleep around. In today’s day and age lets be progressive here. There is no excuse to become pregnant other then in cases of rape which is a crime a woman had her rights taken from her by force. Even in sickness did the woman give herself cancer of course not.
This is only for me and my thoughts on it. This is why I did not have an abortion at age 15.
Had a boy who is 18 today. He had the right to Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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August 26, 2008 at 5:53 pm
While you make the argument of a fetus developing without a brain, the child has a soul, a spirit.
Shouldn’t they have the right to live to birth? To breathe in an ounce of their destiny. To have a name, a burial, or perhaps a miracle?
You equate quality with life. Life is a quality all it’s own.
But the issue for most pro lifers is not abortion of a deformed baby, but all of the healthy babies being killed every day.
Why will YOU not answer that question? Why will you not give rights and consideration to the unborn? Why do feminist groups refuse to recognize life begins at conception? Where is YOUR proof of this mystical “life begins at three months?”
If you want answers from the pro life community, provide some of your own. The reality is, it is NEVER okay to take the life of the unborn. It’s death of the innocent.
It’s never ever a woman’s right to kill a child, in or out of the womb. It’s her right not to become pregnant and there are dozen of birth control methods. Dozens. Once she is pregnant, the choice is gone.
You want an answer, there is your answer. A woman never has the right to kill the life within her.
Does it seem unfair in the case of rape and incest? In the rare instance of pregnancy in those cases (rape, yes, more often than incest) it is a sad situation, but why must the child die? Do two wrongs make a right? At the core of every abortion is selfishness. You pro abortion advocates try to paint a painful picture of a suffering woman, agonizing over what to do, that the decision is somehow for the best of the child, but I concede the choice is always for the convenience of the woman. It’s selfish.
Furthermore, rape and incest are results of other social ills that abortion does not help. Being raped is traumatic enough. Why burden a woman farther with abortion? Does it make the rape go away? Perhaps the life inside her help bring healing?
Name one woman who does not suffer, even quietly from abortion. There are none.
Stop the madness.
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August 26, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Woman for Life,
Congratulations, you actually did it.
You won the most idiotic and moronic statement on the entire site award. That is an incredible distinction. No one will be able to read your comment without thinking you are retarded and being encumbered by gigantic belly laughs. You must be a Baptist, Pentecostal or one of those crazy Christian cults.
Anencephalics, don’t breathe on their own, they need assistance by ventilators if they are true anencephalics without a brain.
As well, there are no miracles. Jesus has yet to save one in the history of billions of births through the eons. In fact Jesus strikes 2% of babies with anomalies. Lets hope he will stop harming babies. He is the criminal, if he is involved. And he must be by your beliefs as he is all powerful, who would allow such a horrible thing. Only the Jesus.
The Jesus is probably dumber than you are. I wish he would show his face for once and account for all the horrors he has supported. From inquisitions, to which burnings, to killing massive amounts and the genocide of the bible. What a fool.
Are you perhaps an anencephalic?
That can be the only explanation for the immensity of your lack of any logic.
Even the Catholic church is OK with Abortion in the circumstance of Anencephaly.
Regarding a father and incense even the most conservatives are often agreeable to this heinous problem. The known anomaly rate is so high, and the product of incest so revolting across ethnicities world wide, one must assume you are one yourself.
So there are answers it is like a waste of time.
What about the tubal pregnancy? Let the Mom and Baby die? or do the abortion? Which one. Lets hear from you. I doubt you can come up with anything that is close to sanity.
It is so scary to know that America is populated by vast quantities of mental incompetents like you.
Scary.
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August 30, 2008 at 5:38 pm
I find it interesting that in reference to Jesus you state, “let’s hope he stops harming babies.” At least we can agree on common ground – that you first, do have a heart for babies, and second, you would rather them be left unharmed. So, I question why you would so strongly support harming … ending their life??
You might argue that because a child has no brain they are not a worthy life. They are not even to be considered life. On the contrary, I ask you to think about this. When your grandmother develops Alzheimer’s disease and the neurons in her brain are destroyed, (aka. no brain) does she then become an unworthy life? Should we then choose to take her life as well?
I understand that abortion is a personal decision. I’m not writing to change your mind. I just want you to think about it and consider the role you play in this world. Is it really up to you to decide who should live and die? Do you think we should have that kind of power? Do you think it can be controlled?
And, I know you probably don’t want it but I do feel compassion for you. Jesus is showing His face all around you but you can’t see it – and that is frustrating. Every time you see an ounce of good in this world, you can be assured that it is Him. For all that it’s worth to you – I’m praying for you.
PS. I’m a physician 🙂
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September 2, 2008 at 11:20 am
I find the level of hate on both sides of the abortion issue disheartening.
I am against voluntary abortion in most cases because I acknowledge that the life of a child begins at conception. I agree with the originator of this post that in some circumstances ending the pregnancy is a valid choice. This should be an issue between a woman/couple and her/their doctor and should only be performed if medically necessary.
Of course, some people can debate that the definition of “medically necessary” includes the mother’s mental health and even go so far as saying that the continuation of a pregnancy could put undo mental strain on the mother. For instance, if a woman becomes pregnant and feels depressed and anxious, then an abortion is recommended to alleviate the mental pressures of this woman. In most cases this is not a valid reason. I understand the pressure that many women who become pregnant feel, because I have been there myself. I underwent an abortion when I was 17. I was depressed and anxious about the pregnancy, however it was my choice to have sex, and I have to live with my decision for the rest of my life. I regret my own abortion, and I empathize with women who do decide to go this path.
Instead of bickering with each other about the morality/practicality of abortion, every single person should have compassion for each other and especially for those women who are contemplating abortion.
Unfortunately, in our culture, images of over-sexed adults and teens is rampant. Our children receive the message from TV and movies that promiscuous sex is normal and encouraged leading people to have sex outside of a loving environment.
As stated by the Elana, we should all agree that under certain medical situations, ending the pregnancy is a valid option. I propose that we should also unanimously agree the best way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy is to not have sex outside of an environment where pregnancy would be invited. To achieve this, we need to promote a culture where both men and women are respected and nourished as people, and we especially need to help young women realize that their self worth is not dependent on their sexuality.
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September 8, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I hope this response to be honoring and well-representing, however, after reading some of the things in these posts, I’m sure I will be vilified.
That being said, I will gladly bear the reproach…
I am a 24 year old male studying to be a pastor at a Southern Baptist seminary who is decidedly against abortion.
I’m sure simply writing that sentence just completely discredited me in your mind, but I’ll continue.
You raise an interesting point concerning a woman who have an anencephalic fetus inside of them. The first response that I have is “I don’t know.”
You may be shocked at this. You may not (its really what you expected isn’t it).
However, I really don’t feel compelled to have to provide an answer for every possible situation. There is knowledge I’m not privy to and its ok in life to say “I don’t know” on issues that are beyond our comprehension.
Moreover, you’ve presented a case where my response is “I don’t know” but this does not mean that the preponderance of cases include situations in which I firmly believe I can say “I do know…”
A quick look at statistics show that only approximately 1000 babies each year have such a disease.
Approximately 3700 babies were aborted today in America alone (accross the world today the number staggering jumps).
You’re trying to prove a point with a statistic that is occurs .0001% of the time in pregnancies.
The point you think you are trying to prove is that the pro-life position does not support an absolute right to life.
You think that if you can get someone to admit that in this case an abortion would be permissible, then you’ve proven their whole argument to be wrong.
I think this is an egragious jump and a false premise.
While we’re at it, EVEN IF I were to accept your arguments for the acceptability of abortion when other factors are involved such as anencephaly (.001%), rape (at best 1%), threat of the mother’s life (6-8%), or some other issue… lets liberally say 10% more, this still does not at all prove the acceptability of abortion in the 80% of the cases in America where an unborn child is killed for social reasons. 80% of the approximate 3700 aborted children a day in America is 2960! As in 2960 unborn children are killed for no such abnormal factor. That’s 1,065,600 a year.
You’ll probably now congratulate me that I passed 6th grade math class and can do mutiplication and percentages.
However, if you do, I think it would be a smokescreen. Most people hurl insults as such in attempting to avoid the issue.
Ok, I’m done for now. Respond as viciously as you know how. I won’t be surprised.
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September 9, 2008 at 12:42 am
Mr. Larue,
Thank you for your thoughtful commentary.
To briefly chime in, I think you missed the point of most of these extreme examples.
They are to try and define, what that act is of the medical procedure termed abortion in the mind of a prolifer.
Is it murder?
Is it something else than murder?
Is it murder in the first degree?
Is it choice, that a women should be allowed and not called anything except a person’s right to control what happens over their own body.
The discourse has been presented many times across this well know blog, but very few yet have answered the issue of nomenclature.
If we cannot do that. If we say we do not know, we cannot argue from the logical posit of personal incredulity.
Mostly, that type of post I believe is to draw out a common understanding of these actuations of the medical procedure termed abortion, which is a medical term. The legal and moral nomenclature is of interest as it helps us have discourse.
Without nomenclature it is very difficult as we do not have a common ground to discuss, in a healthy fashion. And discourse then again degenerates.
So even uncommon examples or the extreme, such as anencephalics, (and we thank you for your math, although Major sources disagree with your reporting of absolute percentages)
are very helpful for this.
You sound like a insiteful individual.
How would you comment on the tubal pregnancies? The most common cause of death in pregnancy? Should women be allowed to abort those pregnancies?
It would of great benefit for one like your self to opine. Educated, theological, respectful of opinion, perhaps overly self deprecating, calm discourse, help us discuss . . . would be appreciated,
Regards,
Elena
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September 10, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Elena,
Thank for your response. I will certainly try to attempt to discourse over the issue of the nomenclature.
I will also not be nearly as self-depracating. In hind sight, I think that was a poor strategy to implement even though I’m certain you can see the reason why I would try such a strategy after comments such as Bill saying, “They appear to be the most lowly uneducated subset of hominids. I wish them all the medical needed to help them in their standard delusions and some obvious physcosis” and Harriet saying, “Are you perhaps an anencephalic? That can be the only explanation for the immensity of your lack of any logic. . . It is so scary to know that America is populated by vast quantities of mental incompetents like you.”
It seems both sides of the issue have people who respond quite disrespectfully to other people.
Hopefully, I will neither prove myself to be a hypocrite nor prove their statements to be true.
In regards to your question, I absolutely agree nomenclature is a major issue. I mean just putting a descriptive word on the “major issue” will cause a stir… We can term the issue one over “abortion”, “baby killing”, “women’s rights”, “child’s rights”, “reproductive rights”, “right to life”, “control over ones body”, “medical procedure”…. and so on.
(and I want to be real clear here…I was only describing the words already in play – obviously including a range of words even from extremes).
However, such quibbling over nomenclature is not what I perceive you to be getting at.
I think I am understanding you as desiring to discuss over the nomenclature of what life is. If I am not right here… well hopefully this will still be an insightful post and I’ll try again once I get more clarification over what nomenclature you are wanting to discuss.
The biggest question I guess for both sides of the issue is when does life begin? I think there’s only a relatively small handful of options out there. In my own mind, I can basically narrow them down to four options.
Life begins at…
#1 – At birth – the breathing of air for the first time
– I’ll make the assumption that most pro-choice advocates are at or around this position…
#2 – At vitality – the ability to live on its own if taken from its mother’s womb (around 6 months, end of the 2nd trimester)
– I think this might be what’s in play in regards to people who support banning partial birth abortions or 3rd trimester abortions, but also support abortions prior to this point.
#3 – At brain wave activity – the first recording of brain waves (around the 43rd day of pregnancy, mid 1st trimester)
– Only a few fall here, but is an interesting position because it might have the easiest time dealing with the specific question at hand…
#4 – At conception, by the 1st day of pregnancy the human cell is dividing into two and then four and so on…
– I’ll make the assumption here that this is where most pro-life advocates are.
Some might question if there’s another position after birth… Such positions use language such as reasoning and feeling capabilities to determine human life.
Though there certainly is something about human life that relates to reasoning and feeling capabilities, I don’t think that position is in the same line of reasoning as the previous four concerning when life begins.
I ‘think’ that’s a good decision to narrow our focus… but if you have a question there, I’m certainly willing to allow you to enter it back in the discussion.
I will, however, use it as a diving board back into the four positions at hand. I think the value that might be seen in regards to this terminology is that its actually getting at describing the end/purpose of human life.
(To be clear I am using the words end/purpose in a teleological sense. I certainly have a religious belief about the purpose of human life that goes much farther beyond human reasoning.)
What I mean by this, is that the end point of the development of human beings is the ability to interact with other human beings through the use of reasoning capabilities and the expression of feelings.
I think that’s what the earlier position that tries to clarify “life” as such is trying to get at. (I know there will be much to respond to but I’m specifically interested in your thoughts on this point.)
Such a teleological view of “life” influences my view/understanding on a number of situations including abortion as well as issues of life concerning the elderly and those in comas.
I’ll get back to this in a second, but hopefully you might be starting to see where I am going… If not I’ll try to make it clear here.
Back to the four positions… I think there is good reason why the majority of people on both sides of the issue are either at #1 or #4.
Both #2 and #3 don’t seem to have a clear, strong foundation for their position. I think this is why pro-choice advocates don’t understand the logic behind barring 3rd trimester abortions and pro-life advocates don’t see the logic behind allowing 1st and 2nd trimester abortions. #2 and #3 seem to be making arbitrary decisions on when life begins.
When pressed, I think advocates of #1 have some concerns. It would seem to me that the primary reason for believing #1 is not necessarily a strong conviction about life beginning there, but rather the stronger conviction about a woman’s rights concerning ‘her body.’
(This is the other MAJOR issue in play, I know. Hopefully, we can discuss that too. But I am afraid that we will rabbit trail off of the current discussion too much right now to go there.)
I think this distinction is also why some pro-choice advocates will be squeamishly affected by the reality of what’s happening in something like partial-birth abortion, but still decidedly be pro-choice because of their higher commitment. (I’m interested here too of what you think about my observation… specifically about the fact that pro-choice advocates take position #1 not so much because of strong convictions about that’s when life actually begins but because of the commitment to the woman’s rights over ‘her body.’
When pressed, I think advocates of #4 also have concerns. There are concerns on the front end (issues of what’s actually going no when the sperm and egg join together , issues like twinning and mosaics, and then issues like the present one concerning anencephaly).
Aright now I’m going to try and bring back in the teleological view of ‘life’ thing again.
So far, I’ve been doing descriptive things and some assumption/opinion attempting… Now I’ll get to beliefs/arguments for you. Hopefully your response will appropriately deal with any of my assumptions/descriptions seperately from my beliefs/arguments.
I believe that life begins at conception. So I am putting myself in the position of camp #4 (and likewise recognizing some of the issues I have to deal with).
In regards to human being-ness, I believe that at conception life has begun.
However, I also view this ‘life’ as also in some ways being potential ‘life’ in regards to the teleological understanding of life. There is a direction/end/goal/purpose that this newly conceived ‘life’ is going towards. There is development that must take place, but such development does not determine its human being-ness.
The difference is that some babies/fetuses are determined to not be capable of fulfilling such the teleological end of their development. Anencephaly is one such case. In this situation, I think I can make a judgment upon abortion that upholds my belief that life begins at conception, but also uphold my recognition that the end/purpose of human life will not be achieved.
I am going to wrap this up quickly because I have work to get off to, so I’m aware some issues haven’t been completely hashed out.
But this position, allows abortion in clear cases that the teleological end will not be achieved.
I hope you can see how consistently I am staying away from this being solely a women’s choice issue. Like I said, we can discuss that… but I think we can also discuss this as seperate.
Thus, (and I know this might be a bomb shell), the position I just presented sees a difference between a pregnancy resulting in anencephaly and the 80% of pregnancies with only a social cause.
(and we’ll have to talk about the rape and mother’s health questions, but in short the mother’s health question is one where i’m much more willing to accept abortions because of the health factor. the rape cases are cases we’ll have to deal with in regards to women’s choice issues and not the one at hand).
Thank you and I look forward to your response,
John Michael LaRue
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September 10, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Briefly,
1) Thank you for a thoughtful, courteous and respectful response regarding the issue of Abortion.
2) I would love to address each of these issues, but I believe the main point is still at hand. I am tight on time at this moment and am responding quickly with attention to responding in a timely fashion, rather than writing too much on the larger issues you cover on abortion. I wanted to laser focus. From that point one can expand, as examples, can be the start of good discourse as they create common ground to work from, in my opinion.
3) When life begins is not a dichotomous issue able to be defined by 2, 4,8 or 10, hallmarks. One theoretically could come up with endless arguments of differing levels of reasonable degree on this point (depending on whose perspective the though process is coming from).
4) But the question, and I can understand how in written form, the Teological, recapitulated Ontological, Embryological, BioPsychoSocialSociological, and frankly, all the logicals’ reasoning. This may be hard to convey in a discussion, written blogging setting such as this one. Nuance and tone are just difficult to convey.
5) So, the question again, at best effort is more of a pragmatic one. Tubal pregnancies, depending on the demographic setting can be a serious portion and not insignificant percentage of pregnancies, especially given that they are acutely life threatening.
The question is:
What do we call the treatment of this condition.
It is an Abortion, as it is a termination of a live pregnancy.
From the extreme prolife perspective there are many that say this is equivalent to first degree murder. Most others would say not.
What would you call this act of obliterating the pregnancy,
and should it be allowed, legal, and be the women’s choice?
Regards,
Will opine more when I have less time constraints.
Elena
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September 29, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Woman for life, you said it well. VERY well!
I would like to know a couple things from those that are pro abortion.
1. would you kill a two month old? a 1 month old? How about an 8 month old? Could you look into that baby’s eyes and cut it apart? Knock it over the head? or anything that would kill it? If you say yes to this question, you are a cold-hearted ****** who is no better than a murderer or rapist.
2. have you actually looked into the studies people have done of babies in the womb? Babies will actually recognize their mother and father’s voices from when they were in the womb. Brain waves are recorded around 7 weeks, if i remember right……….
3. so a baby MAGICALLY becomes a person around a certain age? Because a baby can’t make decisions for itself, or think like us adults, automatically means its nothing? It’s disposable?
4.Why doesnt a baby, a HUMAN BEING, deserve a chance at life?
5. for those of you pro-abortionists, do you have children? If so, could you kill one of them? can you look into their eyes and think “I could have killed you at birth”?
What a sick, twisted world we live in.
Of course a woman has a right to choose abortion. Any person has the right to choose between right and wrong. That’s the beauty of the world we live in. Choices. But just because it’s their choice, doesnt make it right.
A baby is an innocent life. They are not disposable pieces of trash that can be discarded or thrown away whenever somebody feels like it.
It’s not the baby’s choice to be conceived. They didnt ask to do it. So why take it out on them? Why harm them for it?
please look at this link. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=62413243&albumID=2213590&imageID=32345594
could you kill this newborn baby?
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October 13, 2008 at 5:55 pm
The ignorance here is sickening..or perhaps it’s the willingness to ignore..either way, to say that someone (that’s right, someone, DNA, heartbeat, gender, you should know this) that is directly dependent on someone else but is alive isn’t alive, is ridiculous to say the least. To say that he/she (scientifically the gender is already there of that child) is not a valid life of his/her own is to be without knowledge. We here on earth are directly dependent on earth. If we were just cast out into outer space, were we never living in the first place? And if it is possible that one day we live on another planet, will we not be directly dependent on what is there that keeps us alive? Abortion is the most sickening, disgusting, ruthless atrocity that has ever hit man-kind. There is forgiveness in Jesus Christ for those who have had one.
Why is there evil in the world if there is a good God? Well what do you suppose He do? Stop it, yes? Well that would mean all of man-kind would perish, because we have all hurt somebody and deserve the punishment. But God didn’t want us to have to suffer our eternal punishment and poured it out onto His Son, Jesus Christ. So if we repent (turn from our sin) and trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, we can have a relationship with God and eternal life when we die.
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October 31, 2008 at 12:31 am
Gracious goodness, until just three hours ago I held the dubious distinction of having never gotten “accidentally” pregnant in my short 30 years.
I’ve seen firsthand friends and relatives go through this situation, talked with many on what they were going through at various times, and observed the repetitious ‘phases’ of their internal process. Realizing the magnitude of their decision, attempting to weigh the consequences and repercussions of said decision, to the understanding that despite, ENTIRELY, which choice they may have made, the consequence is shear terror at times.
I am terrified of walking into that clinic; I am certain that walking out will be much a relief.
I know the exasperation, the unreasonable fear, the inherent guilt and the astounding joy of parenting. I also know the hunger, the desperation, the usual consequences, the general and societal disdain of poverty. My girls know as well. My two daughters and I are nowhere near the realm of ‘financially sound’ by anyone’s standards. Happy? Definitely. Blessed? Of course. Proud of our family unit? More than anything! It is our struggle and our success that fuels our pride. And still, I cannot bolster this pride by having a child that I am certain will cause greater suffering and heartache in the daily struggle just to get by.
Thanks for listening~
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October 31, 2008 at 1:15 pm
How is abortion a woman’s right…for instance a man murders a woman who is in her 7th month of pregnancy…he goes to jail for murder of two people…but a woman gets an abortion at the same time and it is considered a woman’s right.. hmmm…
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November 1, 2008 at 1:02 am
We can all admit there are polarized viewpoints over this very political and socially charged issue.
May I speak then from experience…
I am 37 yrs old, am educated, am a working professional and have three children. When I was in college, at the age of 19 I made some really bad decisions. I ended up pregnant and decided in the wisdom of my youth that abortion was “my choice.”
I was scared and alone and unable to understand the gravity, and the significance of what was really happening. Because I was sure I wouldn’t be able to provide a good life for my unborn baby, I decided to allow this innocent & precious life to be ripped from my body.
A tiny human with fingers & toes, and eyelids and lips and a nose and a heart beat and a soul… a living being and a gift from God, suspended in what should have been the safest and warmest place for him, he was absolutely powerless to flee from his demise… violently ripped from my body by a vacuum tube, and why did he have to suffer such a horrible death? Because he was conceived at an inconvenient time.
SHAME on me and anyone who would be so selfish. Shame also on anyone who would perform such a horrific procedure, or cater to the opinion that murder of this kind is somehow okay because the child has not yet been born. Who are we to make this decision?
I am a living testament to the fact that ABORTION IS WRONG, no matter what the reason. The solution is not to defend those who would preserve this right to murder, but to educate those who find themselves unexpectedly pregnant and looking for help.
If you are reading this and you are pregnant and considering abortion… please, please don’t do it. There are other solutions… Adoption, keeping the child, accepting help from friends or family.
I look at my children now and wonder what my first baby would have looked like had he been born, how would he have smiled at me, how would he have sounded when he said, “I love you, mommy.” The pain and guilt is tremendous and is never-ending. Now all I hear him saying is “Mommy, why did you hurt me. I just wanted you to hold me and love me.”
I read a quote the other day while driving home from work… it said, “After the abortion, something inside of me died.” It is true. May God forgive us, for we know not what we do.
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November 2, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Iam sorry for your loss i.dont.judge you i have a 20 month old.girl i,raise alone her daddy wanted to abort her i refused he will reget losing us to drugs one day may god bless you and your family
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November 10, 2008 at 12:11 am
I just want to say, why do people judge women for having abortions? You are judging another human being, which is NO humans place to do! A woman knows when she can handle a child or when she needs to have an abortion. I don’t like abortions, but I also believe in a womans right to choose!! Its already hard on a woman, the last thing she needs is criticism from other people who sin just as she does!! I believe in a womans right to choose! Just offer a little support and stop judging these women! They need some support from other women… NOT to be criticized for the mistakes she makes!!
Judgement Day os coming soon enough! Women dont need the judgement of other humans!!
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November 11, 2008 at 5:20 pm
When i found this website i was shocked! I could not believe things i was reading. How can any sane human being kill the life of THIER child?! Not terminate, KILL. KIll a baby!! Could look into that babys eyes before it was born and say, ” I’m going to have abortion, aka, i mean i am going to kill you soon.” Do you think its the babys choice to be killed? Did you want your parents to have abortion with YOU? answer me that. And by the way, pro-lifer are very well educated.
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November 11, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Peyton, should a women be allowed to have an abortion for a tubal pregnancy?
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November 21, 2008 at 12:05 pm
abortion is not an option!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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