My twenty year old son is an amazing kid. He graduated number three in his high school class, he is an accomplished musician (he has played with the National Symphony Orchestra) and he is a great golfer (shoots in the 70’s). In his first two years of college, he made the Dean’s List every semester. Knock on wood, has never gotten into any serious trouble. And, having said all of that, I feel a need to add that he is not a nerd! Indeed, he is 6’4” tall, blond hair and blue eyes. The girls love him. This fall he will be attending the University of Virginia where he is majoring in political science.
For the last few months, my son has been dating a woman his age who attends the University of Maryland. She is majoring in music (she plays the harp). She is a carbon copy of my son, just another kid who has an incredible future.
Although they don’t want to admit it, come this fall they will probably start to go their separate ways. Despite the future (or perhaps because of it), it is obvious that things are heating up for them sexually. Indeed, my son has told me as much. It’s his first real serious affair. Several weeks ago, when she visited our house overnight, they slept in the same room. Yes, it made me feel very weird. No, check that. I was FREAKED OUT. But, I told myself that they are both twenty years old and I gotta just get used to the idea that they are going to have some kind of sex. So, I didn’t say anything.
Okay, I can hear you born again types screaming: “They should not be having sex! What kind of parent are you?” Well, until you are in my shoes, don’t give me any crap. Maybe in your day it was normal to not have sex until you married that person but get real, folks.
Actually, my son learned a lot about sex in high school, certainly more than I ever did. Because they taught him so much, my spouse and I never really had “the talk” with him because he is light years ahead of where I was at his age. Yes, I have told him that if he ever gets his girlfriend pregnant I will absolutely kill him and he just laughs, as if to suggest that it’s something that would never happen.
The other night he informed us that he was going to her house and that he had to buy some condoms. I almost lost my lunch, but I kept my cool, being the 21st century hip parent, and just mumbled something like “well, go to the pharmacy.” He hesitated and asked how did he actually buy the condom, that is, was it on the shelves or did he have to ask the pharmacist? We told him he could just pick them off the shelves and he left to get them. I had a quick gin and tonic.
Now, I don’t know if anything happened that night. And I didn’t ask. I remember him telling me that his girlfriend was on birth control pills, so I was proud of him that he would be using “double protection.” But then I started thinking….
What if 7 weeks later, he came to me and said that his girlfriend was pregnant? For one thing, I know he would be in tears while he told me the news. But, as we know, accidents do happen. And, yes, I know, I know, I know – they probably should not be having sex to begin with but these are two amazing kids who, like so many others, are merely acting on their urges and who took extraordinary precautions. They actually felt they were being responsible.
And the anti-abortion movement would have me look into my son’s eyes and tell him that he is going to be a father and so he better start thinking about leaving school and finding some kind of job? Of course, the decision would ultimately be up to his girlfriend, but what if her parents had the same opinion? It would mean that these two young children who, yes, took a risk, but also took extraordinary precautions would now have their lives changed forever. And that would happen because some people out there think that a 7 week fetus is worth “saving?”
Are you folks out of your friggin minds?

July 25, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Well, Pat, you have to base everything on the fact that no one may kill someone else.
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July 25, 2010 at 6:47 pm
So, when you going to actually HELP a seven-week-old fetus, John–apart from using all your PR skills, that is.
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July 26, 2010 at 8:08 am
John, you say that no one may kill another. Honestly, now, do you support the death penalty? Do you support the war in Afghanistan, or any war for that matter?
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July 26, 2010 at 10:19 am
Oh, comon, Pat. Murder, Thou Shalt Not Kill means Thou Shalt Not Murder.
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July 26, 2010 at 2:58 pm
john, do you realize that if roe vs. wade had not been, the earth would be waaay past its carrying capacity? we all would not exist. also, why should a woman be forced into something because of a mistake, outdated and ignorant religious notions aside, that is.
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July 29, 2010 at 6:18 am
Amanda’s response is a typical pro-death comment. Notice the first two sentences advance an argument, the stupidity of which occurs even to Amanda herself. So what does she do? She advances another equally stupid argument hoping to disguise the vapidity of the first.
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July 30, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Oh goodness, you are a funny guy. Instead of offering a valid point, you attack my intelligence. I put forth a legitimate question and instead of responding to it you went completely around it, instead deciding to play it kindergarden style and insult me. Now, as far as me being typical “pro-death” as you put it, I am anything but. I feel that abortion is a nessesity in society. You take away a women’s right to choose you open up a whole new bag of problems for that society. Forgive me if I am jumping to conclusions here but based upon your beliefs on this particular issue, I tend to think you are against social programs such as welfare and other types of government assistance. If they illegalize abortion then you will be sorely disappointed in the increase in the number of welfare mothers. Not to mention the number of children suffering from child neglect and abuse, and further down the line, numbers of suicide and general crime rates. Every child deserves to have a happy, loving, and nourishing environment. The women who choose abortion cannot offer this type of home in the time of their lives they are in. People who are anti-abortion, I apologize for the generalization but for arguments sake, do not realize the immensity of this decision on the decider. No women wakes up and says, “I think i’ll go shopping with the girls then, what the heck, end my day with a nice abortion.” It is one of the most difficult and yes, sad, decisions a women will come to but a nessesary one. Abortion should be the last resort after prevention. It should be by no means a method of birth control but unfortunetly accidents do happen and when you are in the situation that you find yourself facing an abortion, it needs to be available in a safe and professional environment.
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July 31, 2010 at 10:24 am
Amanda, see my reply at #17.
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July 31, 2010 at 2:54 pm
And then when I point out her typical pro-death maneuver, Amanda does the expected: seventeen (I counted 17) equally vapid statements hoping to muddle the whole mess so nobody will remember anything.
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July 26, 2010 at 10:59 am
Your son – your son – your son. How does a “SON” happen? Think about that for a moment !
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July 26, 2010 at 11:20 am
Ouch!
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July 26, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Gee, I’m not sure how a son happens…Tell me, saynsumthn, would you force my son to become a father at that age?
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July 26, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Well, it would be a hard decision but one that has to be made by the ones who are directly involved, the kids.
Which makes me wonder, are kids 21 and under prepared to make such a decision at such young age?
Should the parents get involved in this whole deal?
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July 26, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Good question, Margaret. I suspect that in our case, the parents would at least talk to the kids. And it’s hard to say at what age you are ready to make such a tough decision. Heck, I feel like I wasn’t ready to do anything serious until I was in my thirties!
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July 26, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Nice story Pat!!! Glad to see that your son was being responsibe and not just leaving it solely up to her…proud of him!!!! I know that you are too!! Plus a little gin & tonic will get you through alot…..
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July 26, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Now, Lorraine, you realize this story is all conjecture, right? Indeed, I hate to say this but actually about three hours ago, they broke up!!!!
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July 27, 2010 at 11:27 am
Well, now in days everybody is having sex, so whoever say they shouldn’t be having sex is a waste of time.
If they are taking action in preventing a pregnancy that is good right… but for sure some of the pro-lifers will say that contraception pills are also abortion (LOL).
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July 27, 2010 at 11:30 am
i think that yes if he was to get the girls pregnant he should be responsible to also raise the child, being responsible is not only using condom or pills.
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July 28, 2010 at 2:29 pm
So, Kim, because my son and his girlfriend had an accident, you would make them become parents?
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July 29, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Accident? In your scenerio, your son and girlfriend made a conscious decision to have sex. They didn’t just bump into each other and whoops! got pregnant.
Personal responsibility is a lot more than using condoms. If your son is not ready to be a parent he shouldn’t be putting himself at risk to be one.
Not having sex before they are ready to assume responsibility for consequences related to it, is what we should be teaching our sons and daughters.
STDs can change your life forever, also. We do our children a grand disservice to let them assume the worst thing to happen is pregnancy.
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July 27, 2010 at 11:32 am
abortion is wrong
this abomination should not be an option ever.
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July 28, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Ah, it is so simple for you, isn’t it Mallory? I wonder what you would do if you were in those shoes….
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July 27, 2010 at 11:41 am
Mallory, I don’t think you’d ever want to meet in a dark alley a guy who wished he’d never been born. . . There are a lot of things worse than abortion.
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July 27, 2010 at 7:27 pm
LOL
What a great story!
Parents always see their offspring as children, even after they are adults.
You can’t just turn off that part of yourself.
In 20 years, he will still be your little boy.
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July 28, 2010 at 2:31 pm
You’re absolutely right, Sugar! He towers over me, could kick my ass but he’s still my little boy. Meanwhile, i love your comments on the ab.com facebook page. Hope you’ll follow my blogs, go back and read some of the old ones and stay with us….
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July 29, 2010 at 12:03 am
Thank you!
You read my posts there? Are you part of the collective benevolent queen that I gladly kneel before?
LOL
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July 29, 2010 at 9:02 am
No, I’m not one of the administrators, if that’s what you mean. but I do chime in under a nom de plume….
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July 29, 2010 at 9:58 am
Ahhhh, you DO see my posts if you know who my benevolent queen is!
LOL
There is a LOT of knowledge to be gained there for those who want it.
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July 28, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Pat, let’s pretend you son and his “ex” girl friend had sex and one of the times it fail all the preventions and she was to get pregnant and abortion was not an option to her at all. What would be your position?
As a grandparent?!
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July 28, 2010 at 2:34 pm
If abortion were not an option, I’d be freaking out that these two kids have had their lives changed forever. And please do not tell me that “kids are a blessing” or stuff like that. And I do not care to be a grandparent because that would mean my kid was a parent. Fortunately, abortion is an option in this country.
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July 28, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Mallory, so-called “pro-lifers” excel at the hypothetical.
You propose a hypothetical situation. If somebody challenges you with, “what would you do in that situation?” you would respond in a way that would make you look really good, usually along the lines of, “Of course I would raise the child myself, even if it meant dragging road kill two miles through the woods to feed us.”
Which makes it a win-win situation for you, which is necessary, if you’re driven by aborticentrism. You can give any answer you want, because it cannot be verified. And if your opponent gives an answer not orthodox enough for you, you can then retort with another self-image builder. Smart work on your part! But necessary, because that’s how aborticentrism drives its victims.
Which is why I like to stick to the practical and proveable. How many grandchildren are you already raising?
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July 29, 2010 at 1:42 pm
That is so interesting cg, considering this whole post is “hypothetical.” Pat admitted she made the whole thing up. And I guess that “hypothetical” thing doesn’t apply to your “meeting in a dark alley of a person who wished he’d never been born.”
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July 29, 2010 at 2:50 pm
So, you want to switch it back to the “hypothetical” rather than find out what practical evidence Mallory has for being “pro-life”?
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July 28, 2010 at 3:09 pm
I can tell you one thing Mallory if a pregnancy happened and as you say abortion was not an option….I certainly would not want him to marry her just because of a baby…children should not be the reason for a marriage….they have a hard enough time growing up in this world without being responsible for a “bad marriage”…so no it would not be a fairy tale…..
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July 28, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Pat….sorry about the “break-up”……
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July 29, 2010 at 9:03 am
Uh….I think they’re somewhat back together again!!!1
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July 31, 2010 at 10:05 am
your forum seems to be fairly civil. i like that.
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July 31, 2010 at 10:33 am
Compare the tone of this one with ihateabortion.com, where the so-called “pro-lifers” reign…..
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July 31, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Thanks, Charles, never heard of that one.
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July 31, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Thanks, Glenn. I try to keep it civil. I just get so bored with the usual screaming at each other. No one has the monopoly on wisdom on this or any other issue. Hope you’ll continue reading and feel free to chime in!
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July 31, 2010 at 10:31 am
Amanda, you’re taking the wrong tack in order to address Dunkle’s issues. His focus is on abortion, not on human beings. The fetus is merely a blank slate on which he draws an image he hopes will win you over to his point of view. He needs the fetus to be a fully human being (it isn’t), which undergoes torture (it doesn’t) from which he is trying to save it (he is).
He wants to be recognized as a hero, to win the honor and applause of society in order to meet his own psychological needs. If you haven’t noticed it before, this is where virtually ALL of the so-called “pro-lifers” are coming from– link to the evidence and the explanation by cling on my “name.”
If he can’t get positive recognition, he’ll settle for the admittedly poorer prize of negative recognition– by teeing you off so badly that you blow up at him. What he really hates is being ignored, which is why he sometimes gratuitously tosses off a really bone-headed remark.
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July 31, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Charles offers one of three inane responses to any pro-life argument. This one is his #2: killing babies should remain legal because the people who want to make again illegal are sickos.
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August 2, 2010 at 11:23 am
Right, I just find it funny that he has offered up absolutely nothing in the way of discussion. Wouldn’t you think that he would want to prove all of us “pro-death” people wrong with points and facts, once and for all and get positive recognition in that way rather than, quite honestly making himself look ignorant. Name calling does nothing for mine or anyone else’s stance on the matter.
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August 2, 2010 at 1:30 pm
You know, this may sound crazy but I really believe that, deep down in his heart, John is not so anti-abortion. I think he got into the cause, became a “celebrity” of sorts, has his weekend protests, etc. But, in the end, if one of his lovely grandaughters came to him in a pickle, I dont know if John would do the “abortion is killing and you will rot in Hell” bit to her…..
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August 2, 2010 at 2:30 pm
If he ever bent that much, Pat– and I doubt that he would, because he’s a guy and not predisposed to be the primary caretaker of a grandchild– he would and could never, ever admit to favoring, wanting or enabling it, because it would destroy the credibility he seeks in the pursuit of his dysfunctional therapy.
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August 2, 2010 at 5:43 am
John in the post above tries to deflect the discussion back to his framing of so-called “pro-life” work as being heroic, rather than largely the attempts of people like himself to generate an idiopathic significance to their lives.
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August 2, 2010 at 8:11 am
See what I mean? No. 2.
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August 2, 2010 at 11:55 am
Amanda in #17– The reason John peddles the “ripped-off arms and legs” so consistently is that it is an easy way to arouse fear and disgust in people. You can see this for yourself by checking out most people’s reactions to picture of veal calves, hog butchering, or feedlot cattle processing. Imagine how effective it can be if you can con a person into identifying with a fetus. It’s a simple but effective technique, much like using a blackjack to win a debate, against most people.
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August 2, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Nope, I say it because that’s what happens. The “autoclave supervisor” is the person who counts to make sure one of the five parts is not still inside the woman where it will cause infection. I knew this even before Cindy Rodriguez, the autoclave supervisor at the Allentown Women’s Center, told me what her job entails.
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August 8, 2010 at 9:31 am
John is right, that is exactly what happens in a later abortion. You do have to make sure you get all the parts or else there could be complications.
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August 7, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Yeah, it’s much the same thing, though it’s always confused me why humans are more sympathetic towards an insentient proto-organism than towards someone who can feel, think, and whose suffering isn’t justified by any amount of “but they’re just animals”.
Your mileage, and capacity for keeping a coherent and reasonable set of ethics, may vary.
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August 7, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Missed something. Why shouldn’t they be having sex? They like each other, they’re responsible with each other, and it’s none of his mom’s business because he ain’t her property.
Was that just parental arrogance, or what? ‘Cause I can’t figure out what’s a good reason for him not to have sex with someone he likes and who’s consenting… rather that than porn.
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