When I was the chief lobbyist for the National Abortion Rights Action League in the early 1980’s, I had absolutely no contact with abortion clinics. Some people might find that ironic, but the fact was that I spent most of my time roaming the halls of Capitol Hill trying to stop legislative attacks on the right to abortion. I never talked about the actual abortion procedure. Abortion providers and their world were totally foreign to me. I just devoted my time to trying to preserve Roe v Wade and the constitutional right to privacy.
But like most Americans, I had a vision in my mind about what those abortion clinics looked like and how they operated. It was not a nice vision because in some ways I had bought into the anti-abortion propaganda about the “abortion mills.” And there was no one to rebut their claims as the clinics had no lobbyists, no public relations person.
Years later, when I joined the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, I realized that I had to get out there and visit the abortion clinics. So, I started making phone calls, asking the owners or administrators if they would mind if I came to their clinic for a visit. I expected to get mostly negative reactions, figuring they wouldn’t want me to see their clinics but the reaction was just the opposite. Instead, people were thrilled that anyone from the “outside world” would want to see their facility. They welcomed me with open arms.
The first abortion clinic I ever stepped into was the Raleigh Women’s Health Organization, a facility that was operated by my dear friend, Susan Hill. I drove down on a Monday morning, met her at her house and we drove together to her clinic. I was first struck when we pulled into a beautiful business park. For some reason, I had been prepared to wind up in the slums of Raleigh. Instead, we turned a corner and I say a beautiful free-standing building surrounded by a number of mature oak trees and a sprawling green lawn. And right out front, showing they had nothing to hide, was a sign saying “Raleigh Women’s Health Organization.”
We went through the front door and I lost my breath. In the reception area were about 15 women sitting together. The room was pristine with sunlight coming through the skylights and there was a whiff of lavender in the air. I then noticed several fresh Iris plants in tall vases. Classical music was being piped in through the facility. I was stunned – and embarrassed because I had been expecting something much worse.
We went back to the staff room for some coffee, then Susan introduced me to her two (surprisingly)
young doctors. They were not the sleazeball “abortionists” that I had envisioned. They were Ob-Gyns with diplomas from the top medical schools and what came across during our conversation was how proud they were of the work they were performing. The rest of the staff had the same positive attitude. For a place that was hosting women in less than ideal circumstances, the clinic was a surprisingly upbeat place.
Later on, when most of the patients were done with their procedure, Susan escorted me into the recovery room. There were about 10 women resting in warm, fuzzy reclining chairs with warm, fuzzy afghans. They were sipping some kind of tea and eating cookies. I was surprised that some were talking to each other. I’m not saying that they were having a downright party but it was nothing like I had expected.
When it was time for me to leave, I said goodbye to the staff and thanked them for all the great work they were performing. Then I walked outside and saw my first anti-abortion protestors. They had apparently come just after I entered the clinic (which I never understood because they had missed their chance to harass the women as they came into the facility). There were about thirty of them, all men, holding very ugly signs and screaming at me. There was no way they could have known who I was but they probably just assumed I was associated with the clinic.
At that very moment, I actually felt my first surge of pride as the representative for the clinics. I was emboldened and anxious to go back to Washington, D.C. to represent the staff at the Raleigh Women’s Health Organization and the hundreds of other clinics like them across the country.
I learned that day that abortion facilities were mere medical offices but with a special touch. I learned that the anti-abortion propaganda that I had been listening to for years was just that – propaganda. And I learned that the real “ugliness” in the abortion field was outside the clinic, not inside.



November 21, 2010 at 1:11 pm
I am not surprised at who the anti abortion people were, men who want to keep their women barefoot & with child.I think that men have the most to lose with a woman claiming rights over her body.But I am surprised that you would think of a clinic as a place in the slums etc. That is what we fought to get away from–the back ally stairs to a dirty hovel and the wire hanger/knitting needle abortion. I fear we are heading back to the back ally, dirty hovel etc.
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November 22, 2010 at 8:47 am
Karen, I did not like the fact that I thought the clinic would be in the slums but, as I said, that was my perception because the owners of the clinics never told us otherwise. So, in some ways we had ourselves to blame. Fortunately, over my years at NCAP we were able to educate folks about the clinics and de-stigmatize their work to some extent.
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November 21, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Anti Abortion People are just pure dirt balls.
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November 22, 2010 at 8:35 am
I’ve watched closely a few protesters who seem to have a genuine goal to help women. But their form of help means keeping the pregnancy. They cannot comprehend any alternate other than carrying the pregnancy to term. With that mindset, how much can someone really help? It boils down to simple terms: the fetus is a priority but I’ll tell you nicely.
Of course there are some real doozy dirt balls like the four Saturday Morning Loser Cruisers in Allentown PA (this includes John Dunkle).
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November 23, 2010 at 1:41 am
you’re right, kate. each group and even each person in front of the clinics is motivated by either love of neighbor or by condemnation.
god forgives, but all too often people don’t.
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November 22, 2010 at 8:03 am
These sanitized little auschwitzes are a terrible indictment of us prolife folk.
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November 22, 2010 at 8:48 am
What do ya mean, John?
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November 23, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Anyplace where innocent people are tortured to death, like Auschwitz or the AWC, should be burned to the ground. Or at least it should be damaged. If it isn’t, we are on our way to Hell.
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November 24, 2010 at 9:30 am
maybe when lifers will support programs to help women with finances, education, employment, housing, daycare, etc. or any other program that would effectively help change the situations of women seeking abortions, they will shut down.
not because of violent or legal means, but simply because too few women would seek abortions to keep them open any longer.
but as long as we as a society continue to turn our backs on those in need, women will continue to seek them.
and the more we turn our backs, the more they will seek them.
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November 24, 2010 at 11:41 am
Rog writing from ladeda land
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November 24, 2010 at 1:00 pm
think what you want john, but i look in the mirror and i see my flaws, just as i see the flaws among pro-lifers.
you go ahead and dismiss me as a dreamer if you want, but i know reality when i see it.
i’m not a dreamer, i’m a visionary.
i know how things COULD be. but we can’t lay the work that it would take on someone else’s doorstep.
nothing truly good comes without work and sacrifice.
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November 22, 2010 at 8:31 am
From my experience with independent NAP-affiliated clinics, they offer compassion, respect, trust and love to women. For many women, it is the first time they’ve been honored for being themselves, for being good women despite all their differences, idiosyncracies and complexities.
Sadly, the protesters offer women nothing but their anger, their shame, their disrespect, their judgment.
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November 22, 2010 at 8:49 am
What is “NAP”, Kate?
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November 22, 2010 at 11:16 am
Sorry, I meant NAF—National Abortion Federation
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November 22, 2010 at 2:40 pm
That is exactly how I think of abortion clinics, which is not the case in most of them. I guess just by seeing those pics babies in pieces give you that impression.
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November 22, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Pat is right!! For years we just went along and quietly did our work… we did not”open our doors” to the public!! Then we decided to show the public who and what we were and what we had to offer…I know in our city…the medical community rallied behind us!! Then the public saw the we offered many low cost services for women…that we were well respected in the community and that persona of us being in an alley..in the bad part of town…slowly was replaced with the knowledge that we were a beautiful facility that offered quality care for women!!
Alot of this was with Pat’s help!!! Thanks Pat!!
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November 23, 2010 at 1:02 pm
I loved doing it, Lorraine. Not sure how much we actually accomplished but if it made the providers feel a little better for a while, then it was worth it…
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November 23, 2010 at 12:59 am
i think a lot of people assume that because most abortion clinics are in black or hispanic neighborhoods, that this automatically means they are in slums and sometimes that is exactly where they are.
but i think each clinic is as different as each cpc and as different as each person that is out front protesting or praying.
the clinic that i pray in front of is in a decent neighborhood, and is even far better than the other two local ones that i have prayed in front of.
but it they also all about business and not genuine about helping women in terrible situations. they will not offer options outside of abortion to these women.
yet there are other clinics like lorriepoo’s who have women like her who have a genuine desire to help women no matter what their choice may be. and at her clinic, if someone is having a hard time coming to terms with their abortion, they try and help.
some others just care as long as the woman is there and after the abortion is finished, they have no use for them.
i may be a lifer, but i still see a big difference between one clinic to the next.
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November 23, 2010 at 1:03 pm
I totally disagree with you, Rogie, when you say they do not offer options outside of abortion. Have you ever been in an abortion clinic and gone through the counseling sessions???
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November 23, 2010 at 1:25 pm
not all abortion clinics offer the same services, just as not all cpcs offer the same services, patty.
i know women who have been through the counseling sessions at some clinics and received wonderful counseling, and some that were offered none.
just as i know some women, both as a real client and also to infiltrate and see what they were told, and were offered wonderful counseling and services ( with the exception of abortion, or referrals. what kate said about anti-abortion protesters also holds true with cpcs ) and in others were offered little to no services, but were offered scare tactics and condemnation.
i don’t believe that the services and standards in all clinics are the same.
do you honestly believe that they are?
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November 24, 2010 at 11:33 am
Clearly, the services and standards are not exactly the same and there are no doubt some sleazy clinics but the vast, vast majority do tell women about their options. INdeed, some clinics have adoption services…The bottom line is that when a woman in an abortion clinic decides to NOT go through with it, the clinic staff doesn’t care.
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November 24, 2010 at 12:54 pm
i have no idea about the vast vast majority. i just know what i have been told by women who have been to various clinics and cpcs.
and what you are shown at a clinic, or what i am shown at a cpc might not be what patients and clients actually see.
i think there should be some sort of organization that “shops” both the cpcs and the clinics, and reveals their findings.
just as you call to task the sleazy clinics, i would like to see the cpcs that start off lying to their clients and going downhill from there, brought to snuff and actually offer services that are valid.
i have found that cpcs that start with lies offer little to no real services and if a woman chooses to carry her pregnancy to term, she never progresses in having her needs met.
they are the anti-choice equivalent of the sleazy abortion clinics.
i could see lorraine or kate, or someone at one of the clinics that promote choice, rather than just abortion, referring women to a cpc that they know is on the up and up. but why would they refer patients to a place that offers only fear and condemnation?
there should be some sort of a program.
i would say that pro-choice women should be the ones to go to the places.
one is for obvious security reasons. i have yet to hear of a cpc or their staff being the target of threats.
another is because a real choicer would be open to women receiving the services offered at both abortion clinics and cpcs, whereas a lifer would not be open to all of the services offered at abortion clinics.
you’re not retired are you, patty?
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November 26, 2010 at 11:53 am
Rogie, I”m kind of semi-retired in that I do not work a full time job. Re the cpcs, wouldn’t it be great if we could compile a list of “good” honest cpcs and “good” abortion clinics and put it all in one spot?
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November 28, 2010 at 12:50 pm
it would be GREAT to have such a list.
i am far more impressed with quality than quantity.
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November 24, 2010 at 10:26 pm
ok, i’ve come up with a list of things to check for at cpcs.
if anyone has any to add, please do so.
*if they refer to themselves as a crisis pregnancy CLINIC, move on. they are not clinics.
i know a woman who runs some centers and she refuses to call her own as a cpc because of the stigma that fake clinics bring. she calls her own and those that are not based on lies as pregnancy resource centers or abortion alternative centers.
*if at any point, false medical information is given, move on.
*they should be upfront that they do not perform abortions, nor offer referrals.
*they should be upfront about what medical services they offer, which usually consist only of pregnancy tests and ultrasounds
*good ones offer diapers in various sizes and wipes
*good ones will offer clean clothing that are in good shape in various sizes
*good ones have cans of different formula for women who either are waiting for wic, or whose formula obtained with wic have run out. the different brands are because babies don’t like to take strange brands of formula.
*they should have access to local food banks
*good ones will offer counseling or at least easily obtained counseling with licensed therapists for the living situations the woman is in.
*good ones will offer counseling for women who are considering adoption for their babies. adoption is the pro-life extreme, as abortion is the pro-choice extreme. whether lifers realize it or not, putting a baby up for adoption is NEVER easy for a woman and it is not as easy as just signing a document.
*good ones offer post-abortive counseling. whether a woman thinks abortion was the right choice, or the wrong choice, it is NEVER easy.
*good ones offer help with access to social services that would include wic, housing, grants and low interest student loans so she can continue her education, medical care for herself and the baby and any other children she has, employment, etc, and staff should be willing and able to help fill out any forms, ensure that they get to the right places and followup on the status of all of the programs.
*they should have a list of willing screened people who are willing to foster children or babies and be willing to arrange meetings between these people and the pregnant women to set their minds at ease.
*they should also have a list of prospective screened people who wish to privately adopt and be willing to arrange meetings between the parties and help represent the women in their part of such a difficult decision.
in short, these places can’t just be slapped together and
TRULY offer help
but those that are bogus cast a stigma on those who are legitimate and can really offer the services that women need.
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November 26, 2010 at 11:54 am
This is an amazing list, Rogie. There must be something we can do with this!! One other thing: they should not advertise in Google or elsewhere under “abortion”.
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November 28, 2010 at 12:58 pm
i agree. truth from the beginning to the end.the things i listed are not realistic. i know of some cpcs that offer these things.
but they bear the stigma of the ones that offer nothing but lies and condemnation.
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November 28, 2010 at 11:09 pm
oops
i meant to say that they are not UNrealistic.
it can be done, but it takes effort and devotion to helping others.
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November 24, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I was reading the threads and I came across the one I wrote and thought, well the images of the after abortion we all see spread all over the internet are considerate babies right? Can one of you Super Pro Choice people answer this question.
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November 26, 2010 at 11:56 am
Melissa, just catching up after Thanksgiving. I”m not sure I understand your question, what do you mean by the “images after abortion” and “considerate babies.”?
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November 24, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Rog in #3: “nothing truly good comes without work and sacrifice”
Wrong again, here, Rog. Nothing truly good comes without “dying on the cross.” I know that but am afraid to do it. You don’t know that — ladeda land.
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November 24, 2010 at 7:39 pm
cristo already died on the cross
that’s what you don’t seem to get. he already did it, and he did it for the people that you stalk condemn and harass, as much as he did for you.
you should be reaching out to people, rather than chasing them away.
john, everybody should take a long hard look at themselves and make an honest evaluation.
if you were a scared desperate woman who was considering abortion, would you listen to you? if you were a staffer in a clinic that performed abortions, would you listen to you?
we don’t know what our flaws are until we are honest with ourselves about what they are.
i think i was pretty honest about what i said about the pro-life movement above.
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November 25, 2010 at 11:09 am
I tried quoting you twice here, Rog, but they won’t show it. I’ll guess they’ll let you say it, but they won’t let me quote you.
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November 26, 2010 at 11:59 am
Rogie makes a very good point. I’m sure deep down, John, you are a well intentioned man. I also know that you know you are not being effective. I also know you know you are hurting people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the “abortionists” are hurting babies every day, blah, blah. But they aint gonna stop and you will consintue to spin your wheels whil making some young women rather uncomfortable when they are already in a sensitive state of mind. Is there not anything else you can be doing with your free time?
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November 26, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Yes, there are somethings I should be doing, but they are illegal, and I am too scared and too ignorant to do them. Eventually physical war will break out. There will always be killers of the innocent among us. They are all stopped down the line. This particular type of killing has been going on for thirty-seven years; I give it another sixty-seven.
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November 28, 2010 at 12:59 pm
John, do you honestly believe that a “physical war” will erupt over this issue? I think not. I think you are giving this issue way too much importance.
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November 28, 2010 at 7:48 pm
You’re wrong here, Pat. Physical war actually broke out in the ’70s, via Michael Griffin. In the late ’80s, one person became five thousand — Operation Rescue. When that failed, “Michael Griffins” fought back occasionally. All atrocities eventually end. I don’t of any that ended peacefully, even in India.
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November 27, 2010 at 12:08 pm
And, Pat, John Dunkle doesn’t care that he hurts women or scares them. He knows he is impotent at stopping women from choosing to make their own decisions about pregnancies. So he rails against them week in, week out, but to no avail. Just callous bullying.
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November 28, 2010 at 1:00 pm
You’re right, Kate and John knows he is not having any influence. I wish I was a psychologist so I could really understand what is driving John. Cue: CG!
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December 4, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Pat, psychologists are fake. To understand me you have to peruse “A Midsummer Night’s Dream.”
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December 25, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Actually, the Malvolio of Twelfth Night more aptly limns Dunkle than the Malvolio of Midsummer Night’s Dream.
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January 6, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Im a say it like this… I think abortion is murder. i feel like if it comes to that point what about how people focusing on the present and not the future. Everybody wants to get their freak on and not take any percautions and not think about tomorrow and what that would bring. Now lets say the pregnancy was accidental the condom broke, the birth control wasnt strong to take effect on the body whatever the situation is. I consider it a blessing for a child to come in this world.. real talk. what about that child he didn’t say “hey, Im gonna inplant myself in your body and your gonna give birth to me.” Now as far as that guy visiting the abortion clinic and discribing how it was. Of cource they will make the clinic look and feel that way they wanna make you feel like its ok music playing and smell good and be happy and what not. Im not suprised one bit… they do that everywhere else when it come down to getting to business. Some women say its my body i do what i want with it ok get a a abortion if you want to! One day you make wake up one day and decide to have a baby and noe you can’t bare one because you screwed it up from the last abortion you had… then what? yeah i said it.
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January 7, 2011 at 9:34 am
Hello G, thanks for chiming in. I always laugh when someone says “every kid is a blessing.” What a bunch of horsehockey. EVERY kid is a blessing? Are you for real?
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January 6, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Yo g, you a mensch.
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January 6, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Lo: “g” the aborticentric! He fantasizes about how the child will enjoy the world and enjoy life; he doesn’t address what it takes to raise a child to make that happen; he fantasizes about the nature and operation of clinics; and he lets you know he stands on the side of truth and justice. And he’s ready for the schadenfreude that will wash over him when you screw up your Fallopian tubes!!
Magical thinking has that effect on people with certain deficiencies.
I remember feeling extremely sorry for a 15-year-old juvenile delinquent, IQ around 85, who said after he graduated he was going to join the Air Force and be a fighter pilot. We fashioned a contract that gave him a chance to test his potential in the teen job market.
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January 7, 2011 at 9:35 am
“Schadenfreide”???? What the hell?
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January 7, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Quote from “g”: “One day you make wake up one day and decide to have a baby and noe you can’t bare one because you screwed it up from the last abortion you had… then what? yeah i said it.”
He will be happy because he will be able to say the three words that will make him the happiest man in the world: “Told you so!”
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January 8, 2011 at 10:44 am
I think we’ve lost “G”. Another hit and run
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January 8, 2011 at 11:50 am
You have to feel sorry for people like him; I certainly would worry about his kids’ welfare. The spite and anger just boil over. Typical so-called “pro-lifer.”
then there were the others that disappeared– the woman who claimed to be a single mother of four adopted kids who volunteered at a children’s hospital every day (!) but couldn’t account for her family finances; Bruce, who was going to join in the stalking program; Susan, who claimed to work at a “crisis pregnancy center”; and that civic pillar and coach. . . I guess this site is a bridge of communication too far.
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January 8, 2011 at 6:53 pm
you still got me
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February 11, 2011 at 8:42 am
Abortion should never be used.
It is morally wrong and you will go to he’ll for murder.
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