Okay, it’s my turn to crow, to beat my breast, to confirm to all of you skeptics how smart I am. I gotta do this because after all of these years, I remain an insecure person who needs the kudos where I can get them. I need to claim victory when I’m right about something. I blame my shortcomings on my dead mother who for many years tortured me mentally by telling me how worthless I was. She also beat the crap out of me but, well, I digress. Let me get off of the couch now.
In my last post entitled “Shall We Dance?” I talked about how the pro-choice groups were in a state of panic because Randall Terry, the now totally emasculated founder of the now practically defunct Operation Rescue, had a meeting with the Chief of Staff of the incoming Speaker of the House of Representatives, John Boehner. I told everyone to calm down, that such a meeting was par for the course and that Terry would sent on his way, thinking he made some progress when, in fact, nothing dramatic would happen.
So, this morning in the New York Times, there is a headline entitled “Push for Stricter Abortion Limits is Expected in House.” OMG! Terry has done it! They’re doing what he demanded – the end of legal abortion is in sight! But then I took the unusual approach of actually reading the article and what I discovered confirmed exactly what I predicted in my last blog (applause).
The article notes that Representative Joe Pitts will now head the subcommittee that considers much of the anti-abortion legislation. And, guess what he is going to do? He is going to assure that no federal dollars will be used to pay for abortions. How radical! What a guy! No doubt he is now Randall Terry’s hero and will soon receive a framed “Certificate of Appreciation” from Operation Rescue, assuming they can afford the paper and the frame.
Specifically, Pitts is targeting the new health care reform law and wants to insure that no one could use the
new system to get an abortion. Now, I don’t like this idea but my question is: is that the best you got? After all, no federal dollars have been spent for abortion for decades thanks to the late Congressman Henry Hyde. This is your “pro-life agenda?”
Now, I don’t want to hear from the pro-choicers about how unfair this would be to women. I get that piece, spare me the political rants. You just gotta face it, we don’t have the votes to stop everything. But if this is all they are going to do, then I say go ahead and waste your time on something that will hardly affect anyone. I mean, the fact is that the new health care centers will not even be offering abortion services folks. Just take this “defeat” and claim victory.
So, as I predicted, Randy Terry is probably telling his buddies how influential he is and, as I predicted, the new Congress won’t do anything that will curtail abortion rights in this country.
So, piss off, Mom.
I am smarter than you thought.



December 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm
I think Operation Rescue is now controlled by Troy Newman. I know Terry was trying to get it back, but I don’t think he was successful. I heard both guys are in Germantown, MD, these days dancing with Carhart, the killer of the bigger kids. I plan to join them soon.
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December 12, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Wow, I’m sure that Lee Carhart is going to piss in his pants when he hears that you are coming, John. The pathetic thing is that on Saturday, about 300 folks showed up and Lee wasn’t even there. Meanwhile, however, if a woman goes to Lee because her baby/fetus has two heads we’ll try to convince her to not abort and one of your compatriots can adopt it…as if that would ever happen
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December 12, 2010 at 5:26 pm
What John won’t tell you is that despite all the stalking he does, his efforts are useless. Even with inane signs and hateful letters mailed to doctors’ neighbors and a clinic director’s neighbors, he simply looks like a crank, kinda like Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church. And all his screaming at women at abortion clinics just illustrates how mean he really is.
In other words, no one marks their laundry because of him or his presence (although I’m sure he fancies himself to be Mr. Big).
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December 13, 2010 at 9:57 am
I think you’re right, kate. Indeed, sometimes I wonder if we should even be responding to his stuff on this blog because it is giving him attention….
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December 12, 2010 at 11:42 pm
i am really curious, so i will ask this both here and in kate’s blog.
if either of you don’t wish to answer due to security reasons, please don’t hesitate to say so, as i don’t want harm to come to dr carhart or his staff or patients.
but what made him decide on maryland for his new clinic?
i understand going from nebraska to kansas, but maryland is so far from his home.
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December 13, 2010 at 4:40 am
Dr. Mengele went from Dresden to Barcelona, Rog. Killers will go any distance: it’s in their blood.
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December 13, 2010 at 10:02 am
My God, John, you are getting sooooo boring. It’s “in their blood” to kill?? Do you ever give a rat’s ass about the woman who is somewhat involved in this???
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December 13, 2010 at 11:39 am
When it is again illegal for someone to kill a young person, women of childbearing age will be the greatest beneficiaries.
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December 13, 2010 at 10:00 am
Dr Carhart’s goal is to serve women who need late abortions. As such, he needs a clinic to offer those services. When Nebraska cut him off, he started looking around at where he could set up his practice. Apparently, maryland is a hospitable state. He already had a license to practice in the state, it’s easy to get to from Nebraska and that’s that. Lee has been travelling to clinics all his life, so he’s used to it. Now, the cynic will say he’s travelling so much to make money and, yes, he like anyone else (including pro-life leaders) wants to make money. But I would add that he travels because he knows clinics/women need doctors.
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December 15, 2010 at 12:24 pm
i remember the entry you made about telling him to shut up.
i wish he would keep a lower profile also.
i don’t want another person that i am praying for to be killed.
but somehow i don’t think he’s going to.
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December 12, 2010 at 11:38 pm
much to dunkle’s chagrin, i am going to take the spotlight off of him.
i think that if terry picks his nose, his head will cave in.
planned parenthood has received federal funds through grants and contracts for years, so while it was indirect, federal funds have gone for abortions as it helps the organization.
also after president obama rescinded the mexico city policy/ global gag rule, federal funds also once again go indirectly for abortions abroad. while bush had it in effect, IPPF lost 20% of their funding because they refused to change their course. 20%!
yet the hyde amendment prohibits federal funds from going towards abortions within the us.
now, i may not want those funds to go towards abortions either here or abroad ( i didn’t want them going to iraq either, and i would LOVE to see more programs and funds go to support low income families in the us, but congress doesn’t listen to me. )but i think that it is not at all consistent that a lower income woman will pay taxes that help enable abortion in other countries, but it’s no dice for her in the us.
if i were a choicer, that would piss me off to no end.
i guess terry hasn’t thought of that and is so egotistical that he doesn’t understand that all he did was leave a huge carbon footprint across the country and back and didn’t accomplish squat.
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December 13, 2010 at 5:58 am
Get me back that spotlight; anything but this!
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December 13, 2010 at 10:05 am
I think Randy Terry doesn’t give a darn if he doesn’t accomplish anything. His first goal is to get the spotlight (that John craves). He likes seeing his picture in the paper, he likes it when people recognize him. His second goal is to make sure he is paying the bills. Then, sure, if we can make abortion more difficult to get let’s punish those “slutty” women who were “irresponsible” when they “opened up their legs.”
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December 13, 2010 at 4:38 pm
If you follow celebrities, even at arm’s length and with no concerted effort, it’s easy to see how so many hate to lose the limelight. Even has-beens from long ago show up in bit parts or in advertisement (like Betty White). I cannot imagine how hard it must be for Randall Terry to become a nobody (in the non-celebrity way). He’ll say whatever it takes to keep the news media, who are always on the lookout for a sensational story, on his charming (not) demeanor. (BARF).
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December 16, 2010 at 2:44 am
i agree.
i can’t stand seeing bradgelina holding press conferences every time they adopt a child so that the world will see what wonderful human beings they are.
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December 13, 2010 at 5:46 pm
I say we abort Dunkle, figuratively speaking, from this site and blogs. He’s not worth our time, our thoughts or our charity.
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December 13, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Kate aborts me from her own blog, snots; now she trying to erase me altogether!
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December 13, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Well, notsodailyherald, I think that he should not be banned if he tells us in full detail either how he cares for real (born) children or why he either will not or cannot.
We do know that he will and can care for little girls, just like he will and can be the President of the US, but we haven’t heard the details of either HOW he’s caring for them (the born ones) now, or why he cannot.
If he won’t do that, then I think he’s proven my point about the need for so-called “pro-lifers” to be aborticentric.
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December 13, 2010 at 6:56 pm
As for Randall Terry, Sir Lawrence Olivier once coached a much younger actor who had just unsatisfactorily done a film take which involved running.
“It’s not enough to run,” said Olivier, “you must LOOK like you’re running.” With that advice in hand, the actor did the scene successfully.
Terry doesn’t have to win; he only has to LOOK like he has won, and there are two groups he needs to impress– his followers and the Beltway pundits. If he’s able to pull it off the way the White House is pulling off its spin on the tax catastrophe, he will enhance his following and impress more of the fence-sitters in Congress. And he’s good at making it look like he’s winning.
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December 13, 2010 at 7:35 pm
“I think that he should not be banned if he tells us in full detail either how he cares for real (born) children or why he either will not or cannot.”
Chuckles would never have asked so interesting a question a month ago. Before I’m through all you killers’ helpers will be prolife!
Anyway, here’s my answer: I care for born children in many ways. For example, I give them money more than once a week. Until I got too old, I coached them and helped them athletically on a large scale (I still do on a small scale). I am constantly educating them (just check what I do on this blog). I could go on and on.
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December 14, 2010 at 8:01 am
Well, looks like he answered he question, CG. As for banning John, I have a hard time with that. As much as I (we) dont like what he has to say, I do no believe in censorship unless his words are coming very, very close to seriously advocating violence. He says with a wink and a nod that he applauds the “killers of killers” but I have to err on the side of free speech. And, after all, what the hell would we talk about?
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December 15, 2010 at 12:29 pm
well, it’s like katie always says: “if you can’t serve to be a good example, you’ll just have to serve to be a horrible warning.”
which leads to my belief that the good lord has a purpose for all of us.
merry christmas, everyone! 🙂
jajajajajajajaja
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December 14, 2010 at 11:05 am
I don’t know what I’d do without you, Pat.
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February 8, 2014 at 12:31 pm
I could read a book about this without finding such real-world apshaocrep!
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December 14, 2010 at 12:11 pm
What? He presses a nickel into a five-year-old beggar’s hand and calls it caring for children? His response is first of all vague; second, largely referential to what he did for his own kids and nobody else’s. He’s obviously stretching with the “education” piece. And he’s using his age as an excuse for not having done anything for the last twenty years.
He doesn’t babysit, he doesn’t take the grandkids off their parents’ hands for two weeks at a time, he turns them over to his wife when they show up– and he sure isn’t doing squat for anyone else’s kids. Guess he’s got to be a hero for his precious fetuses… He needs to misspend the energy that would be better spent on dealing with his issues with his own death.
As I say, aborticentric.
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December 14, 2010 at 12:33 pm
A normal person would say, that’s the last time ever I’ll answer one of Chuckles’ questions. Not me though. I’m game for another. Ask me another, Chuckles, and please don’t make me rewrite it so people can understand it.
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December 14, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Do you babysit for your grandchildren, John?
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December 14, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Yes, frequently. Yesterday I drove Ellen to basketball practice and today I will take Fay and Daniel to Dollar Tree #4. A few days ago I took all of them to 5 Below. It’s all baby sitting cause it gets them off my daughter’s hands for a bit (she has 8). I am a super gran da dee.
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December 14, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Notice he does nothing for children not of his kin and not of his social circle. He is more than willing however to do what he can to force others to care for children he cares nothing about. Aborticentrism personified: He cares nothing about what happens to other children after they’re born, focused as he is on winning an allegorical battle against Death.
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December 14, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Are you kidding me? I do thousands of good things for those not of my kin. Don’t ask me to list them, though. As I told you once before, that’s not the Christian way.
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December 14, 2010 at 6:24 pm
For “thousands.” He doesn’t say that they just all happen to be “unborn” and he’s rescuing them from torture.
He can’t come up with witnesses who will testify to his work in family court, in the school classroom, as a Big Brother, as a mentor, certainly not now nor ever an adoptive or foster parent. He can’t show how he sacrifices as little as 8% of his income for strangers’ children. He hides behind “that’s not the Christian way” the way other people hide behind “I will pray for you.”
He’s very good at maintaining a facade, though. They all are. And it works pretty well for them, too.
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December 14, 2010 at 7:21 pm
Chuckles, you help kill people. You use a curse, humanoids, to name them so that you can tell yourself they’re not people. All the other good stuff you say you do is just a cover.
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December 15, 2010 at 10:46 am
Geez, I’m feeling bad now cause I dont do half the things that you suggest we should be doing, CG.
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December 15, 2010 at 12:31 pm
you walk your talk, though, and then some, patty.
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December 15, 2010 at 8:03 am
How can anyone who claims to be a Christian, who invokes Jesus as a model citizen, treat women the way John and his buddies do at abortion clinics?
“It’s not the Christian way.”
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December 15, 2010 at 12:56 pm
cristo taught us that whatever we do to the least of his brethren, we also do to him.
of course i believe this applies to the unborn babies.
i also believe that it applies to the women and couples who are seeking abortions when everyone else has turned their backs on them.
i believe it all of the doctors who perform abortions.
i believe that it applies to their staff.
i believe that it applies to those who oppose abortion.
i also believe that he will come back and he will be pissed.
but i believe that he will be most pissed at those who spew hatred in his name.
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December 15, 2010 at 4:03 pm
But Rogie, I just can’t stop thinking about what Jesus would do…I cannont imagine he would stand in front of an abortion clinic which, even if you standing there quietly praying, can still be intimidating to some women…..
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December 15, 2010 at 5:19 pm
i know it can be intimidating if people are behaving the way that some do at kate’s or lorraine’s clinics.
lorraine has told me about the people at hers, and i have seen the videos of people at kate’s.
it is appalling that people will behave that way.
but literally every person at the one i go to stands and prays silently.
i know of 2 or 3 times that someone at one of the ones i go to have started to yell, and as soon as i and or someone else instructed them to stfu, they did.
the day that i can’t control that aspect is the day that i never go back.
we are also a distance from the entry to the clinic and the people that approach me ( and there are a number of them ) have to go out of their way to do so because there is a nice sized buffer between us and the clinic entrance.
there are not even any escorts at this clinic for the simple fact that even the clinic feels they aren’t necessary.
i personally think buffers are a good thing for that reason among others.
but a hispanic man standing quietly on a street in a hispanic part of town isn’t going to be intimidating in a manner that a white man on a bullhorn in close proximity to the patient will be.
i know how you feel about me praying in front of the clinics, and i told you i would think about it, and i do.
would it make you feel better to know that i missed 5 weeks in a row recently? not because i particularly wanted to, but i did miss 5 weeks.
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December 16, 2010 at 4:53 am
You got ‘im, Kate, you got ‘im. First he makes sure he stands far enough away from the place of execution; then he makes sure others do too. Then he fades away, and the others follow — Rog, the pied pipes of oskosh.
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December 16, 2010 at 8:27 am
i assure you that i am approached far more than you are despite the distance between myself and the clinic, simply because i am far more approachable.
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February 8, 2014 at 3:54 am
This inrodtuces a pleasingly rational point of view.
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December 15, 2010 at 9:02 am
I would treat Gerry that way too if he were carrying someone into the little auschwitz. And that’s because I wouldn’t have the courage it would take to stop him.
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December 15, 2010 at 9:26 am
And how does this relate to the “christian way”?
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December 15, 2010 at 10:04 am
Nothing to do with this, so far as I know. I used that term to remind Chuckles of Christ’s directive: if you do something good don’t tell others what you’ve done, don’t even let your left hand know what your right hand has done. This is in response to Chuckles’ constant asking me to list all the good things I’ve done.
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December 15, 2010 at 10:05 pm
How do YOU know Christ directed people to do good and not talk about it? And more particularly, you talk about yourself and what you do indirectly all the time. I wonder what Christ would think about what you do because you seem to cherry pick your phrases that are supposedly attributed to J.C.
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December 16, 2010 at 4:54 am
Look it up, Kate, you got more time.
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December 16, 2010 at 2:37 am
he said not to brag about it.
he didn’t say not to tell if you are asked.
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December 16, 2010 at 4:55 am
What he meant, Rog, is forget about it.
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December 16, 2010 at 8:25 am
i think he meant what he said.
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December 15, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Not only can Dunkle not care for real human beings as Jesus wants him to; he can’t admit where he fails, but instead tries to divert attention to my un-Christian attitude when I expect him to meet standards I know are reasonable (since I’ve met them myself.
I’m praying for him and the horse he rode in on.
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December 15, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Yeah, Chuckles, we know you’ve met them yourself. You’ve told us about them upteen times.
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December 16, 2010 at 2:41 am
i have never seen chuckles brag about his efforts.
i have only seen him answer when he was asked.
i have also seen him express a desire to do more and disappointment that he hasn’t done as much as he wished.
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December 16, 2010 at 4:57 am
If you were on my side in this war, you’d see things differently.
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December 16, 2010 at 8:28 am
that’s a huge “if”, john.
my side doesn’t affirm the deliberate killing of anyone, either born or unborn.
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December 17, 2010 at 5:12 am
Yes it does, Rog, if you truly are pro-life. You just don’t know it. The Catholic Church is “your side” and it affirms the deliberate killing of someone who is about to kill you.
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December 17, 2010 at 1:59 pm
perhaps you can offer where it the CCC it states that it is acceptable to kill doctors and staff that perform abortions.
until you do so…
chow chow chow
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December 15, 2010 at 6:14 pm
And Dunkle is unable to follow Jesus’ commandment to share his extra coat (with any of those children he insisted be born). Some Christian!
Pat, you might not be able to do half the things that I use as the minimum standard for caring for real human life, but neither do you compel women to have babies that you then walk away from, like the aborticentrics do.
Even Rogelio, whom I give more slack to than I ought, limits himself to praying in a visible position at a clinic. What does this do for a child? Nothing. What does it do for him? It makes him feel better, because he believes he’s being a hero of some sort for a “defenseless victim.” He’d be doing a lot better taking on another high-risk child, but he’s already been burned once. At least he’s walked a lot more of the walk than Dunkle ever has or will.
Why is there such a gap between what they proclaim about their care for human life and what they actually exercise? They dodge the question, and they dodge it for reasons of self-preservation.
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December 15, 2010 at 7:51 pm
just to clarify…
>>>What does it do for him? It makes him feel better, because he believes he’s being a hero of some sort for a “defenseless victim.”<<<
i am no hero by any means
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December 16, 2010 at 7:06 am
Rog, when are you going to wake up?
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December 16, 2010 at 8:37 am
a hero isn’t something that one can effectively set out to be.
i am under no false illusions as to my limits and flaws.
if god uses me to help someone seeking an abortion to change the circumstances that make her seek one to begin with to choose to choose life for her baby, it is he that is that baby’s hero, not me.
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December 16, 2010 at 5:05 am
“Why is there such a gap between what they proclaim about their care for human life and what they actually exercise? They dodge the question…”
Well put, Chuckles, and it applies to you precisely. As long as I’ve known you, you’ve been proclaiming about your care for human life. And yet, and yet you have joined with the forces who have singled out certain humans for mortal attack. And the dodge you use is the killers’ ancient dodge: they’re not humans.
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December 16, 2010 at 8:08 am
Dunkle still has not explained the abysmal gap between his professed concern for human life and his unconcern for actual humans.
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December 16, 2010 at 9:42 am
Chuckles still has not explained the abysmal gap between his professed concern for human life and his unconcern for actual humans.
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December 16, 2010 at 9:32 am
Rogie, re your praying in front of the clinic. Certainly, that is better than the crazy stuff that goes on but…
A woman entering a clinic is already in a pretty sensitive mood. She does not want to be there. She feels bad or sad or whatever. Then she finally gets to the clinic and she sees you and your friends. She doesn’t care that you are quietly praying, she SEE YOU LOOKING AT HER. She does not want to be seen, dont you get it? And when she sees you, her blood pressure goes up.
Now, I assume that you would hope that others would join you in your quest. So, theoretically, that means that thirty of your friends could join you, so the crowd gets bigger. Or would you tell five folks who came one Saturday to go away? I doubt it.
I assume you are praying to God to help him convince the woman to not have the abortion or something like that. As far as I recall, God is “everywhere”, you could be praying to him in your bathroom. Why the hell do you have to be physically out at the clinic?? Do you not understand that no matter how quiet you are, when the woman sees you it can affect her?
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December 16, 2010 at 9:40 am
A bolt of lightning: “rogelio” is not an Hispanic pro-life man; she is a European-American pro-death woman! She pretends to be this person who acts as she wants all pro-lifers to act — quiet, out-of-the-way, inconspicuous — and then she goes to work on that, persuading “him” to leave the scene altogether! Brilliant!
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December 16, 2010 at 12:33 pm
chow chow chow
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December 16, 2010 at 7:36 pm
Prove it, John….
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December 16, 2010 at 8:06 pm
You can’t prove an insight, Pat!
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December 17, 2010 at 2:01 pm
actually, i consider it quite a compliment that someone would compare me to kate.
she is intelligent, warm, engaging, compassinate, openminded and basically a lot of fun.
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December 17, 2010 at 7:27 pm
I didn’t say you were Kate, “rogelio,” but maybe you are?
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December 19, 2010 at 1:25 am
no, but i can aspire to have the qualities that she does.
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December 16, 2010 at 12:32 pm
i totally understand what you are saying. i used to be pro-choice. i understand your pro-choice bias just as well as i understand my pro-life bias.
there are many factors involved and you are making assumptions without taking them into account.
as i said, i value your opinion, and i continue to think about what you say about the matter.
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December 16, 2010 at 12:41 pm
thanks
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December 16, 2010 at 1:14 pm
i was addressing pat
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December 19, 2010 at 11:27 am
my bad
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December 17, 2010 at 2:13 pm
pat, please bear in mind that for you to understand why i am present at the clinics, you would have to erase much of your views on protesters and on clinics in general and view me, not as a protester, but as an individual, as well as what seems to be qa bias in favor of the clinic i go to, based on what you have seen of clinics that are more reputable.
we all have a bias of some sort.
that is not an easy thing to accept, as nobody wants to see themselves as biased in any way.
i am also not saying that you would ever approve of my presence in one of my own neighborhoods in front of the clinic, but it would be easier for you to understand if you were aware that we all have a bias, you and i included.
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December 16, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Pat: re: Rogelio’s need to be physically present to pray– The aborticentric seeks to reassure himself he is acting heroically; after all, if he were able to rely on the word of Scripture about God’s favor for him, he would not be concerned about the temporal oblivion death brings to him. Since faith and reason do not work, he seeks affirmation through the temporal and visible, through being at the scene and receiving the attention (favorable or otherwise; hence Dunkle’s occasionally bizarre posts here) fo real people in a real setting. This is why praying in a bathroom or even a church by himself does not work for the aborticentric; it must be done contrary to what Jesus said about prayer (not good works, pace Dunkle), “Pray not as the Pharisee, in public. . .”
Since his concern about his personal oblivion cannot be addressed through other available (and more effective means), he engages in dysfunctional behavior and prays at the woman.
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December 16, 2010 at 1:12 pm
>>>Pray not as the Pharisee, in public. . .”<<<
interesting that teaching even if you did pervert the meaning of it.
i have seen the fruits of public prayers bestowed upon those for whom i was praying.
it does not however forbid public prayer.
if it did, then churches would be against church teachings, wouldn't it?
it continues on to say that personal favor is a fruit of personal private prayer.
so a person who goes to mass on sunday and offers no other personal private prayer will not gain favor as if he or she had also offered private prayer.
while you state that my faith and reason don't work, you must bear in mind that reason is relative. we might all have different perceptions of what is and isn't reasonable. the list of examples there could go on and on.
now if my prayers were only in public, then you would have a point about seeking affirmation in the visible and temporal.
but since even if i confirmed one way or another whether i pray in private, the only way you would know for sure is if you spied on me and caught me doing it.
but public prayer is not at all contrary to the teachings of cristo. only that which is motivated for the purpose of showing off.
if one takes a single verse and does not consider the surrounding text, there is a very high chance of perverting the true meaning of the single verse.
any theology major knows that.
i hope that clarified some of your confusion about that scripture.
merry christmas, bro. god bless you. 🙂
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December 16, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Sorry, Rogie, but you totally lost me which maybe was your goal. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE THERE IN FRONT OF THE CLINIC???
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December 16, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Rog’s been talking to Chuckles too long — lost me too.
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December 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm
i don’t think it is possible to have been talking to chuckles too long, regardless of what we agree and disagree on.
my regret is that i didn’t encounter him sooner to do so.
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December 17, 2010 at 2:07 pm
that reply was simply in reply to his post about that particular scripture and how many people misinterpret what is says, patty.
i have no desire to “lose” you.
i don’t HAVE TO be in front of the clinic any more than a woman HAS TO have an abortion.
you don’t HAVE TO allow opposing positions in your blog anymore than i HAVE TO post mine.
however, for the works that give breath to my faith ( faith without works is dead ), it is more effective.
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