Roe V. Wade 38th Anniversary
Well, today is the 38th anniversary of the Roe v Wade decision!
So, now what do I say?
I guess when you have an anniversary you usually assess where you are, right? So, let’ see where we are.
Of course, all the pro-choicers (who are fed by the pro-choice organizations) are going bonkers because the Republicans have taken over the U.S. House of Representatives. All of the scary, red-lettered fundraising letters have gone out warning folks that ABORTION RIGHTS ARE IN DANGER! I’ve written about this before and I’ll say what I said earlier – relax folks. Just keep in mind that WHEN the House and IF the Senate passes some terrible piece of anti-abortion legislation, ain’t nothing gonna happen because ole Barack will be there to save the day with his veto pen. But, of course, national organizations need to raise money to stay in business and they need to scare you to make you write a check. So, keep everything in perspective folks (but it does not hurt to send the money in anyway).
When I think about what life was like over 38 years ago – before abortion was legal in this country – I can’t help to think about this nut ball doctor up in Philadelphia who a few days ago was indicted on several counts of MURDER for basically performing “illegal” abortions. Now, I have not had the time to look closely at the indictment and, frankly, I’ve never heard of this guy but the only thing I thought of when I heard the news was that what he was doing was just how it worked in the old days. We had all these sleazy illegal abortionists with unqualified staff, using unsterilized instruments and offering no counseling. As a result, women throughout the country were being harmed physically and, worse, dying. This guy up in Philadelphia is just an old “abortionist.” Unfortunately, it’s someone like that who makes the headline and that, of course, gives the legitimate doctors a bad rap by association.
In the grand scheme of things, I can see how certain anti-abortion folks are so totally fixated on “saving” that fetus. It’s just their thing and I am not qualified to psychoanalyze their thinking (I’ll leave that up to CG). But while these folks are seemingly mesmerized by the quest to “save babies” do they not see what might happen if abortion were made illegal again in this country? Do they not see what happened up in Philadelphia recently? Do they have absolutely no compassion for the real, live, breathing woman? I mean, they’re not all totally myopic, are they?
I think I know the answer that the pro-lifers will give me, I’ve certainly heard enough of the rhetoric over the years. But, at least at this time, 38 years later, I can breathe a sigh of relief that in 1973 the Supreme Court in 1973 was brave and smart enough to realize what they were doing. They struck a blow for woman’s health and that’s what I choose to celebrate today.
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January 30, 2011 at 10:52 am
Assertions to the contrary, I have explained the nature of the interlocking feedback loops of nurture, socialization, bonding, play, education, sex, etc., that make an infant a human being. It is not merely that the primary caretaker– in pregnancy, the pregnant woman– that makes the initial decision whether a fetus is a baby; it is also necessary that someone act throughout its childhood as a primary caretaker. Sometimes the person doing that falls terribly short of meeting the responsibility.
It is unfortunate that I have to reiterate repeatedly the truth about child development in the face of claims otherwise by so-called “pro-lifers.”
It is confirmation that they need to live by their own reality. They are engaging in a well-known PR technique– repeating the falsehood in order to have the public accept it mistakenly as a truth. This explains the consistent references to “torture,” the fetus as female, and of course intentional misrepresentations of the nature of human development.
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January 30, 2011 at 7:54 pm
What the hell is he talking about!
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January 31, 2011 at 11:57 am
Actually, I think this fellow above this weirdo Dunkle,
charlesgregory,
makes good sense.
Refreshing.
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February 1, 2011 at 12:30 am
chuckles is indeed very refreshing.
he makes me think about things.
he might not like the conclusion that i come to, but he has indeed made me think about things.
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January 30, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Chuckles, you are an aggressive bore! The question wasn’t even addressed to you! Pat can’t speak for himself/herself?
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January 31, 2011 at 11:55 am
Better than an uneducated bore of a smelly old wretch of a man that you are Dunkle.
Who manages this blog? Could they place a sieve on the Dunkle’s dribble’s and drivel?
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February 1, 2011 at 12:32 am
what you are doing, is in psychological terms, referred to as projecting.
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January 31, 2011 at 11:30 am
And, finally, here’s what you wrote earlier: “John, my position has consistently been the fetus is not a person until the primary caretaker chooses to endow it with personhood.”
Now Pat, do you agree with that, and, Chuck, please refrain from writing another thousand words in an attempt to hide what you said. Allow Pat to respond first.
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January 31, 2011 at 11:53 am
Would you stop telling people what to do?
You are an old foolish man in the eyes of others, and you appear more foolish as you attempt to exert some false authority.
Most importantly you harm the Pro Life cause more than 1,000 pro choicer’s efforts combined you uneducated corrupt murderer loving low life.
Satan must be very proud of you.
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January 31, 2011 at 1:02 pm
The so-called “pro-lifer” relies heavily on the concept of a God managing things benevolently. This allows him to escape responsibility for the direct and indirect effects of his actions.
Since God is all-powerful, all things are possible with Him, the bad as well as the good, and it’s unwise to think that He will not indulge His sense of humor, which is fey, to say the least.
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January 31, 2011 at 11:32 am
And finally, finally, you’d be absolutely spot on, as Kate likes to say, if you were a believer — because the “primary caretaker” is always God.
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January 31, 2011 at 12:12 pm
I agree with Dunkle that this site gets a little confusing.
But that is a side effect of how much discussion and posting and commenting and nesting of comments that are going on.
What makes it worse, is when people like Dunkle consistently avoid answering or responding to a question. It makes things exponentially more confusing.
I am still confused.
Did Dunkle ever answer the question about the mortality and morbidity of women who underwent illegal abortion to those that receive Legal Abortion?
I recall his remarks being very wrong in the beginning and I never saw the reply ( I could have missed it, this site is so big).
I also never saw his admission of being utterly wrong.
Please show me, if anyone knows where he answered correctly. As if he did not, he is one of the main causes of confusion on this site.
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January 31, 2011 at 12:14 pm
If he did I missed it too.
But that is what Dunkle does.
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January 31, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Where is Dunkle’s reply?
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January 31, 2011 at 1:29 pm
“Did Dunkle ever answer the question about the mortality and morbidity of women who underwent illegal abortion to those that receive Legal Abortion?”
“Well, this is kind of a question, Phil, so I’m going to let you stick around, but I have to rewrite it to make it coherent, and I wish I did not have to do that:
“Did Dunkle ever prove that women were worse off physically before they got the right to kill the young people in their wombs?”
The answer is no, I never proved it, and I can’t. I think it is obvious, as all unnecessary operations are harmful, but I can’t prove it.
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