Let’s talk about escorts.
No, not the professional ones that you can track down on Craig’s List. Get your mind out of the gutter for Gosh Sakes. I’m talking about the pro-choice escorts.
I can’t remember when I first heard about these folks who were accompanying women into their local abortion clinic. But I know it was sometime in the early-1990’s, when groups like Operation Rescue, the Lambs of Christ and others were getting hundreds of their followers to block the entrances to abortion clinics. It is hard to believe today, but I recall many demonstrations where anti-abortion folks would just plant themselves down in front of the door to the clinic and sit there. Amazingly, they would usually do this right in front of the local police. And, more amazingly, the police would often just let them sit there and chant and sing for hours, even though the protestors were clearly violating the trespass laws.
Somewhere around that time either the National Organization for Women or the Feminist Majority Foundation started to counter-attack. They began recruiting pro choice activists to help women access their medical services by escorting them through the crowd and into the clinic. Indeed, when the antis suggest that it was the doctors who were luring women into the clinics, I have to chuckle as I remember watching women desperately climbing over the protestors in an effort to get IN to the abortion facility.
So, working with the clinic administrator, the escorts would arrange to meet the patient at a certain spot and walk in with her, the woman often holding something over her head so as not to be identified. While it was a serious and often tense situation, I always had the sense that some of the escorts were really getting into this, that it really got their juices flowing. That was probably because, if I had to stereotype them, I would say many of them were baby boomers, perhaps waning for the days of the 60’s and political causes. Still, whatever their motivation, they were generally most welcome.
At some point, however, things started to get a little strange. In 1994, I visited a clinic in Colorado because I had heard that Operation Rescue was going to be there in force that Saturday. I hadn’t seen OR in action for a while, so – with the clinic’s permission – I flew out to take a look. That Saturday, at 5:00 a.m., I got to the clinic and there were already about 15 escorts gathered in the front. Working with the clinic administrator, they started to put together their plan for the day. We were told that about 20 women were scheduled for the day, beginning at about 9:00. So, the escorts split up the list, walked outside and anxiously awaited for the antis to start pulling up to the clinic.
We waited – and waited – and waited.
At about 8:45, a car pulled into the parking lot and a young woman got out of the driver’s seat. She was on her cell phone as she started to walk up the steps to the clinic. The escorts were perplexed. There were no screaming mobs of antis to climb over or through. Not one. Finally, the escort who was assigned to this particular woman walked up to her, introduced herself to the young lady and accompanied her up the steps, right into the waiting room.
It was totally bizarre.
Then more cars started coming in and the other escorts went through the drill with their assigned patients. They were all well-intentioned, of course, but I found the whole scene downright silly. Finally, when there was a lull, I got everyone together, including the clinic administrator and suggested that we just leave. “The women clearly don’t need us today. Why don’t we leave them alone?”
The escorts were horrified. They said it was their duty to escort the women, no matter what. But the administrator, who was a little more attuned to the mindset of her patients, agreed wholeheartedly with me. She thanked the escorts and politely asked them to leave. They got all huffy, threatened to never come out again and left.
In retrospect, I think the escorts got caught up in the anticipated and lost their focus on the women, who probably didn’t want to see anybody that morning except the doctor.
The escorts meant well. And they still do. It was just interesting to me when there was a mixture of activists and medical people. Sometimes they didn’t see eye to eye.
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July 20, 2011 at 10:58 am
Focused so intently on their mission as to exclude care for the needs of the pregnant women! The flip side of aborticentrism…..
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July 20, 2011 at 11:36 am
Thank you Abortion escorts for helping women get the care they need and protect them from danger and harassment from pro lifers.
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July 20, 2011 at 11:51 am
Operation Rescue is a repulsive organization that has intimidated women for decades.
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July 20, 2011 at 12:13 pm
They should shut down organizations like Operation Rescue that harm women.
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July 20, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Operation Rescue does nothing to “harm” women, on the contrary, Operation Rescue has been involved in exposing and helping bring criminal charges against some of the nation’s most dangerous abortion providers.
“Operation Rescue demands immediate intervention from the New Mexico Board of Medical Examiners to stop shocking spate of life-threatening abortion injuries” referring to an Albequrque clinic with multiple injuries.
Operation Rescue has filed complaints with the New Mexico Board of Medical Examiners against all three SWO abortionists in an effort to hold them accountable for the botched abortion injuries that have landed four women in the emergency room.
Kansas City, KS – The father-daughter abortionist team of Herbert Hodes and Traci Nauser filed suit in Federal Court yesterday to block the implementation of a new Kansas abortion clinic safety law that requires offices that supply five or more abortions per month to pass inspections and become licensed by the state. “Abortionists Sue to Block Abortion Safety Law; Operation Rescue Calls For Recusal of Magistrate Sebelius” (In order to protect women)
Salt Lake City, UT – Regulators in the State of Utah have promised to created a searchable database that will give the public access to disciplinary action for physicians licensed in Utah, even if the discipline is from another state.The change was prompted after Operation Rescue drew attention to troubled Utah abortionist Nicola Riley, whose Maryland license was suspended due to her involvement in an illegal late-term abortion ring operated by the notorious Steven Chase Brigham. That illegal abortion operation was discovered in August, 2010, after Riley seriously botched a late-term abortion at a “secret” abortion clinic in Elkton, Maryland, then delayed emergency care with her suspicious behavior. Police raided the clinic and discovered the bodies of 35 late-term aborted babies, most of which were viable. A criminal homicide investigation remains underway.Operation Rescue began to research her past and discovered that Riley had lied on her medical license applications in three states by understating her involvement in a credit card/identity theft case and misrepresenting her actual 30-month incarceration in a Federal Military Prison. That information was passed on to authorities in Maryland, Utah, and Wyoming, where Riley held licenses.
I could go on with more examples but for the sake of room I will stop there.
Operation Rescue has worked diligently to call for laws to PROTECT women and for existing laws to be enforced. The accusation that they harm women is totally unfounded and is based on assumptions.
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July 20, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Operation rescue behaved in such a manner that laws had to be passed to protect women from their nefarious activities. Are you crazy?
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July 20, 2011 at 7:39 pm
No, I am sane enough to know that they are/were trying to save lives in any way that they could. I see that as a valiant effort.
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July 24, 2011 at 7:00 am
If a women is pregnant and wants an abortion it is NOT any of O.R. business!! It is a pvt. matter between her..her doctor…and who ever else she chooses to inform regarding the pregnancy! NOT the “Dunkle’s or the Deanna’s” of the world…and believe me every city and town has someone like them…
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July 20, 2011 at 7:53 pm
and fred phelps helped many black people as a civil rights attorney during the 1960’s.
let’s all sing his praises, shall we?
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July 20, 2011 at 8:15 pm
That”s a little different Rogelio. Saving lives is a whole different arena. We are talking about real, live human beings here, not some abstract principle. We can argue all day long about the issue of OR’s tactics but the reality is they were trying to save lives and that in itself is valiant. Doesn’t your butt ever get sore from perpetually sitting on that fence?
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July 20, 2011 at 9:30 pm
and black people are not live human beings?????????????
that is one of the most repulsive things i have seen on this blog!
>>>Doesn’t your butt ever get sore from perpetually sitting on that fence?<<<
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
mujer, i am wise enough to know that there are two sides to every coin. just because you can't see them doesn't mean that they aren't there.
i simply don't believe that the ends justifies the means.
i don't see using evil tactics to try and save babies as valiance.
now run along and do what you do best by playing the victim card.
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July 20, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Rogelio don’t play the race card with me. It won’t work. We are an inter- racial family. I am the mother to a black son, and two Asian children and an American Indian. I am not racist. You know what I meant. We were talking about the death of someone vs. the civil rights of someone. Two completely different categories! I was pointing out that there are different in that one dies and the other does not. Mr. Phelps has no leg to stand on when it comes to being valiant. Operation Rescue does because they are trying to save lives.
If you saw the unborn babies as truly being equal to born babies as most pro-lifers do then there wouldn’t be two sides of the coin. On one side someone dies on the other they live. That is the only sides there are. You can’t be pro-life and pro-choice Rog. You can’t say that you believe babies are dying but then turn around and say it’s wrong to try and stop them from dying. It seems that you have made sitting on the fence an art form. Sitting just enough to this side to say you are pro-life but not enough over to really take a firm stand.
Me a victim? What are you talking about? I am no victim.
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July 21, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Rogelio,
Rest assure that you are the only pro lifer I have read on this site that makes any sense whatsoever.
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July 24, 2011 at 11:49 am
Operation rescue is a disgusting group.
Only a maniac would say that they have never harmed a woman.
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July 20, 2011 at 4:16 pm
OMG, Deanna, you are delusional. Operation Rescue never harmed any women????? You, my friend, are in another world. I dont even know where to start to rebut your ridiculous claim. I’ll be you anything that even John Dunkle will admit that they have been engaged in a number of nefarious activities over the years. Not to mention I have witnessed them IN PERSON screaming, yelling, physicially obstructing, threatening women as they entered the clinics. But I guess that doesn’t constitute harm….I know, I know…they didn’t harm women like THE SLEAZY MONEY SUCKING ABORTIONISTS….BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…. I can’t believe it, but I’m starting to think that John is the reasonable one here. But, of course, you were almost aborted so you have the monopoly on wisdom….
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July 20, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Well, at least you know what my argument would be. If they blocked the doors to clinics, even way back in the 80’s, and it saved lives then well, ok. I understand why they would do that. But I can guarantee they have never “harmed” a woman by perforating her uterus, killing her baby, causing her to be sterile, shooting her with out of date meds (Allentown Womens Services) or any of the other vile things that some of these clinics do. So yes, are definitions of “harm” are drastically different.
Operation Rescue helps women by holding the clinics accountable for their actions. They should be commended for that in my opinion.
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July 20, 2011 at 4:44 pm
“our” definitions of harm. Sorry for the typo.
p..s John seems pretty sane to me 🙂
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July 20, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Well there it is.
One does not have to write anymore.
DeAnna reveals she IS blinded by her own Ego to see reality.
Operation Rescue has harmed multitudes of women, as experienced, and witnessed by multitudes of women.
It is not even debatable that OR has harmed women. Words that slither to your writings DeAnna will not change that – No matter how hard you try and twist the truth, everyone sees you for what you are and that you are wrong.
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July 20, 2011 at 6:08 pm
The issue is the definition of “harm.” I see harm as what happens in a clinic. You see harm as being someone trying to stop that from happening. Two different definitions. Two different perspectives. I twisted nothing. OR does hold the clinics accountable. I see that as a good thing. You see it as bad. Again, different perspectives.
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July 20, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Rob, you are right, she has no idea what she is talking about.
It is right there in her writing!
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July 20, 2011 at 9:31 pm
promoting justifiable homicide is sane???????????
santa maria, pray for her!
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July 20, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Did you mean to use the word “justifiable’?
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July 24, 2011 at 7:11 am
What abt the women that died because O.R. kept them from getting timely medical care..by blocking the doors they prevented a tubal preg. from being diagnosed and it ruptured before she could get medical care..and she died?? Does that NOT hurt someone??
So now Pat wait..I missed something!! Was D. almost aborted..or was she a missed abortion?? Because I think there could be an explaination there..somewhere..I am just NOT sure where…
But I for one am getting tired of D.’s run on dribble…post so long that NO one can even read them…but all they do are discourage someone from trying to post something with insight…NOT just more of D.’s drbble..dribble..dribble!!!
What does everyone else have to say???
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July 24, 2011 at 7:47 pm
i agree lorraine.
those long tedious diatribes of hers are tiresome.
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July 20, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Pat
You are right also.
She is delusional.
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July 20, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Me delusional?
I’m not the one who has convinced myself that it is ok to kill unborn babies.
I’m not the one who strolls around the internet arguing that it is ok to kill unborn babies
.
I’m not the one that lashes out at anyone who tries to save unborn babies from dying.
I’m not the one who pays money for someone to kill my unborn baby.
I’m not the one who insists that I am doing a woman a favor by killing her unborn baby.
I’m not the one who considers the killers of unborn babies heroes.
I’m not the one that calls an unborn baby a parasite.
I’m not the one who considers anyone who is vocal about the horrible facts of killing unborn babies to be terrorists.
I’m not the one who says it is delusional to try and save unborn babies from dying for money.
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July 20, 2011 at 7:43 pm
amen, again
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July 21, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Pat she is delusional.
Typical pro lifer.
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July 21, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Absolutely, Deanna is delusional because she views herself as perfectly, morally and always correct.
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July 24, 2011 at 11:50 am
Another vote that DeAnna is Delusional.
She is a Nutty Pro Lifer just like Dunkle.
The only Normal Pro Lifer, that construct reasonable positions, I have read on this site is Rogelio.
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July 26, 2011 at 8:29 am
I agree, DeAnna is delusional on the topic of Abortion.
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July 20, 2011 at 11:26 pm
“Rogelio don’t play the race card with me. It won’t work.”
YOU”RE the one that chose your words, not me.
” We are an inter- racial family. I am the mother to a black son, and two Asian children and an American Indian.”
i question the veracity of that claim.
” You know what I meant. ”
i know what you said. i don’t know you well enough to read anything into what you say other than to take your words at face value.
“If you saw the unborn babies as truly being equal to born babies as most pro-lifers do then there wouldn’t be two sides of the coin.”
i used to be pro-choice, so spare me your “ifs”.
” You can’t say that you believe babies are dying but then turn around and say it’s wrong to try and stop them from dying.”
i never said it was wrong to try and stop them from dying. i dsaid that the tactics employed are wrong.
go back and read what i said again.
” It seems that you have made sitting on the fence an art form. Sitting just enough to this side to say you are pro-life but not enough over to really take a firm stand.”
JAJAJAJAJAJAJA
it seems that you have made ad him attacks and then denying that you made them an art form.
just because i am not kissing your backside doesn’t mean that i am not taking a stand. i just prefer not to be associated with your ilk.
but nonetheless, i am not worried because i don’t answer to you, only to god.
“Me a victim? What are you talking about? I am no victim”
good. then maybe you will refrain from pissing and moaning that people are calling you mean names.
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July 21, 2011 at 12:00 am
“Rogelio don’t play the race card with me. It won’t work.”
YOU”RE the one that chose your words, not me.
AND YOU KNEW FULL WELL WHAT I MEANT
” We are an inter- racial family. I am the mother to a black son, and two Asian children and an American Indian.”
i question the veracity of that claim.
GO TO MY BLOG AND LOOK UNDER THE ABOUT DEANNA PAGE. THERE ARE PICTURES. WHY WOULD YOU QUESTION THAT ANYWAY? WHAT REASON WOULD YOU HAVE?
” You know what I meant. ”
i know what you said. i don’t know you well enough to read anything into what you say other than to take your words at face value.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW THAT I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT RACE. WHY WOULD I?
“If you saw the unborn babies as truly being equal to born babies as most pro-lifers do then there wouldn’t be two sides of the coin.”
i used to be pro-choice, so spare me your “ifs”.
THAT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE
” You can’t say that you believe babies are dying but then turn around and say it’s wrong to try and stop them from dying.”
i never said it was wrong to try and stop them from dying. i dsaid that the tactics employed are wrong.
go back and read what i said again.
I AGREE, YOU DID SAY THAT BUT YOU ALSO SAID THE END DOESN’T JUSTIFY THE MEANS. IF YOU SAW THEM AS TRUE BABIES THEN THE END WOULD PERHAPS JUSTIFY THE MEANS. THINK ABOUT IT. IF SOMEONE WERE GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE BY JUMPING FROM A BUILDING AND YOU HAD TO HOLD THEM DOWN TO KEEP THEM FROM DOING IT (OPERATION RESCUES OLD 1980’S TACTICS…SORT OF) WOULD YOU? OR WOULD YOU JUST STAND THERE AND LET THEM JUMP? IT’S SORT OF A MORAL DILEMMA I KNOW BUT FOR SOME PEOPLE THEY THINK THAT FOR A LIFE TO BE SAVED IT IS WORTH PHYSICAL FORCE.
” It seems that you have made sitting on the fence an art form. Sitting just enough to this side to say you are pro-life but not enough over to really take a firm stand.”
JAJAJAJAJAJAJA
it seems that you have made ad him attacks and then denying that you made them an art form.
WHATS AN AD HIM ATTACK? DO YOU MEAN AN AD HOM ATTACK? IF SO WHO’S CHARACTER DID I ATTACK. SERIOUSLY I WANT TO KNOW.
just because i am not kissing your backside doesn’t mean that i am not taking a stand. i just prefer not to be associated with your ilk.
KISSING MY BACKSIDE? I’M NOT LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT OR FOR YOU TO KISS ANYTHING. I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU COME FROM AS FAR AS YOUR STAND GOES. YOU SORT OF TAKE A STAND BUT NOT REALLY. I DON’T GET IT. EITHER BABIES ARE DYING OR THEY AREN’T. IF THEY ARE THEN SHOULDN’T WE BE BOLD IN TRYING TO SAVE THEM?
SO WHAT EXACTLY IS MY ILK??
but nonetheless, i am not worried because i don’t answer to you, only to god.
YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THAT ONE.
“Me a victim? What are you talking about? I am no victim”
good. then maybe you will refrain from pissing and moaning that people are calling you mean names.
I GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO HAVE AN ADULT CONVERSATION AND THEY ACT LIKE SCHOOL KIDS. I MAKE A POINT, THEY SAY I’M STUPID, I MAKE ANOTHER POINT, THEY SAY I’M AN IDIOT, I MAKE A POINT, I’M A MORON. I ASK THEM TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY SAY THAT, PROVIDE SOME SORT OF REASONING, NOTHING! NOT ONE WORD EXCEPT MORE OF THE YOUR AN IDIOT JUNK. THAT IN NO WAY MAKES ME AN VICTIM. IT MAKES ME FRUSTRATED. I AM AWARE THAT MOST OF THESE THAT BEHAVE THAT WAY ARE IMMATURE BUT IT’S STILL FRUSTRATING.
I’M NOT YELLING AT YOU. JUST USING CAPS FOR CLARITY IN WHO SAID WHAT.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:05 pm
>>>AND YOU KNEW FULL WELL WHAT I MEANT<<<
i know what you said. period
and what's more i think you meant what you said because you still haven't admitted to using a wrong phrase, but rather are lashing out at me.
if i had used a poor choice of words, i would admit to it.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:07 pm
>>>GO TO MY BLOG AND LOOK UNDER THE ABOUT DEANNA PAGE. THERE ARE PICTURES. WHY WOULD YOU QUESTION THAT ANYWAY? WHAT REASON WOULD YOU HAVE?<<<
motherflip your blog.
i don't care what pictures you have.
why would i question that? for the same reason i question brad and angelina holding a press conference every time they adopt a minority baby so that the world will think they're such wonderful human beings.
because i don't believe them, that's why
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July 21, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Right, Rog, All those whiteys love to prance around using these poor children as their tokens for celebrity and compassion.
“Go to my blog”
“Read my posts”
“See what I have written”
“As I’ve said before”
“I’m not the one who is (fill in the immorality) because I’m perfect”
“Don’t talk to me about diversity because I’m a white woman who has adopted loads of children that I feel the need to label as something other than my whiteness.”
“I’m wonderfully accepting of diversity because I got paid to foster or “parent” those undesirables. See how wonderful I am (Oh, ignore the money).
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July 21, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Kate, this is the most vile hateful thing that I have ever heard in my life but it’s not surprising that you would stoop this low. You talk about people judging and condemning women. Well. here’s a news flash for you sister! I am a woman! And you just judged and insinuated things that you know nothing about. Those are my children that you speak of as if they are property to be paraded around. But it isn’t surprising coming from someone who thinks it is ok to kill them that you would view them as property. I mean really, are you even human? You are some more deal to bring race into this like some trump card to be played..And the race of children at that! You have no idea of these children’s backgrounds or where they even came from. Shame on you Kate! It’s one thing to have adult debates but to bring someones children into the mix is a new low. Criminals in prison even respect each others children. Grow a heart woman!
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July 21, 2011 at 9:45 pm
>>>I am a woman! <<<
well, ever since the gender reassignment you are.
get off her!
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July 22, 2011 at 5:09 am
No, shame on you for constantly parading around your children, as you have repeatedly since you were “invited here” to contribute. You
It’s not vile or hateful. It’s the truth. You are blind to your own white privilege, blind to your own myopia. I know it hurts when your own words are mirrored back to you. It takes a mature, reasoned individual who is capable of introspection to realize that others see you much differently than you see yourself.
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July 22, 2011 at 6:21 am
No Kate! I have spoken of my children in direct response to either questions or accusations by people on this blog that were basically stating that pro-lifers do not take care of born children and I was showing that some do. That particular incident was when someone brought up the race issue insinuating that I was racist. So, no! You will not turn your vile hateful words around and make them to be about me. My children are part of my life.Sometimes they come up in conversation just as yours has, Pats has, and plenty of others have. My family happens to be interracial. This fact is not a point of bragging or because I am a “Whittie” or anything else. It is simply a fact. My stating that fact is not “parading” them anymore than anyone else is parading theirs. Me being pro-life does not give you permission to throw away all social decency and spout off anything you want and then hide behind the lie of I did it to myself. People have accused me of not caring, I show that I care and that makes be a “Whittie” parading my kids around? No! And then for you to be so low and so hateful to bring money into the mix as if they are something to be bought? Absolutely not! You will not do that and then turn it around to be about me! I love my children, I am proud to be their mother and it has NOTHING to do with their races, their backgrounds, or my pro-life stand! If I want to invite someone to go look at their picture then you know what….I can do that! And I can do it from a pure place of simply being proud of my family…not some devious place as you would insinuate…….also, I told Rog to go look because he called me a liar when HE brought up the race issue and I said I was not racist and as proof go look at my family. I didn’t “parade” them around. I stated a fact. What about my other children? I have six, am I allowed by you to tell someone about them or is only the non white ones that are off limits according to your rules? You have no right Kate and the fact that you did that shows me that you are a mean hateful person. No caring person would ever bring a persons children into a debate in such a negative way. It hasn’t mattered what I say, you or someone else turns it into a personal character attack when everything I have said about myself has been IN DIRECT RESPONSE to an accusation or a question! Sonia can testify to that and anyone else who is being honest also. But you have tried hard to ignore that fact and turn it around and make it into something it is not. Anyone who does not have an agenda to make me out to be some sort of freak can see that. So, NO KATE! I will not apologize and I will not concede that I have bragged or paraded my children or anything else because I have not! You want it to appear that way so that you can discredit me so that no one will listen to what I have to say so that you can continue your baby killing ways but you know what…..it’s not working. All you are doing is making yourself appear to be cold hearted and mean. We are here to talk about abortion, adoption, and parenting. I am interested in those subjects. They are part of my life. I will talk about them if I choose to in the context of the subject at hand. That will not mean that I am bragging, nor will it mean that I am parading my family around so that they can be free game for your low shots. It simply means that these three issues are part of my life. I will not separate one part out to appease you and your accusations. It is part of who I am. Deal with it in an adult way and do not bring my kids into it in a negative way because it is simply socially unacceptable to do so!
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July 22, 2011 at 9:05 am
>>>That particular incident was when someone brought up the race issue insinuating that I was racist.<<<
oh… did it appear that i was insinuating that you are racist?
please forgive me. i did not mean to insinuate that.
i meant to flat out say so!
and upon what do i base this? on your own words. do you remember what they are?
allow me to refresh your motherflipping memory:
" We are talking about real, live human beings here, not some abstract principle."
you were in essence stating that the black people that fred phelps helped, were not the real live human beings that an unborn person is.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:07 am
>>>I will not apologize and I will not concede that I have bragged or paraded my children or anything else because I have not!<<<
the only one that has said a word about 'YOUR CHILDREN" ( if you had really adopted those children, which i seriously doubt ) is you.
hence, YOU are the one parading them around, nobody else.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:08 am
>>>We are here to talk about abortion, adoption, and parenting. I am interested in those subjects.<<<
so now this is YOUR blog?
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July 21, 2011 at 9:44 pm
kate, you always know how i feel about things, don’t you?
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July 24, 2011 at 7:32 am
JOAN CRAWFORD paraded her “perfect family” in front of the press..beautiful pictures..beautiful presents at Christmas! Then the photographers went away..the press went away…the presents went away and out came the “wire coat hangers!!”
You having pictures of black, blue and Indian kids on your blog proves what??? It doesn’t prove to me that you are a good and loving parent…it could be all just for looks…after all aren’t you in the business of trying to make us think that your are a loving religious woman?? When in fact you spout HATERED..to a lot of women that are fighting for their own lives..but you don’t care about them…you only care about an object that does not exist yet…cannot survive without the women that you are in an all out war against…
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July 24, 2011 at 7:49 pm
jajajajaja
oh snap!
she’s not mad at you, helga.
she’s mad at the dirt!
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July 21, 2011 at 8:09 pm
>>>THAT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE<<<
i was once pro-choice and i am now pro-life. the same holds true for many people, just as many people were once pro-life and are now pro-choice.
fortunately none of us are required to make sense to you.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:12 pm
>>>BUT YOU ALSO SAID THE END DOESN’T JUSTIFY THE MEANS. IF YOU SAW THEM AS TRUE BABIES THEN THE END WOULD PERHAPS JUSTIFY THE MEANS. <<<
woman, it's not your place to tell me HOW to think
the ends do not justify the means. that is made clear in the catechism
that is why it is immoral to kill doctors or staffers who perform or assist in abortions
because the ends do not justify the means.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:14 pm
>>>IF SOMEONE WERE GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE BY JUMPING FROM A BUILDING AND YOU HAD TO HOLD THEM DOWN TO KEEP THEM FROM DOING IT (OPERATION RESCUES OLD 1980′S TACTICS…SORT OF) WOULD YOU? OR WOULD YOU JUST STAND THERE AND LET THEM JUMP?<<<
an extremely poor analogy that does not at all fit
thanks for playing, though
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July 21, 2011 at 8:16 pm
>>>WHATS AN AD HIM ATTACK? DO YOU MEAN AN AD HOM ATTACK? <<<
yes i do. if you look at your keyboard, you will see that the I and the O are right next to each other.
it was an error and i am terribly sorry for any inconvenience that it has caused you.
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July 22, 2011 at 4:28 am
Gee!
And I had thought that was a neat twist!
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July 22, 2011 at 6:23 am
It caused me no inconvenience. I was asking a question. I thought you meant something else. I was not being snarky. Sorry if it sounded that way.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:18 pm
>>>IF SO WHO’S CHARACTER DID I ATTACK. SERIOUSLY I WANT TO KNOW.<<<
the vast majority of the people that have disagreed with you
i don't have time to copy and paste each and every slight that you have made.
but as much as you seem to be online, i bet you do
so go back yourself and read your own posts with an open mind ( if that is possible ) and see for yourself
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July 22, 2011 at 6:25 am
Thats not fair Rog. If you accuse me of attacking someones character then you need to tell who it was and what I said specifically. I have stated facts about killing babies. But as far as I know I have attacked no one. If you are going to accuse me the least you can do is back it up with facts.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:14 am
first off, deanna, you may address me as “rogelio”.
i prefer that bigoted strangers not bastardize my name in a manner that would serve to anglocize it.
“rog” or “rogie” is acceptable for those that i consider friends.
if you do not wish to address me as “rogelio”, then “sir” will suffice.
second, if you want proof of your attacks on others, you cam find them at this link: http://www.abortion.ws
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July 23, 2011 at 4:52 am
Yeah, d, he pulled this “you may address” stuff on me too a while back. At first I said oh sure. But then it hit me — who is this guy? He comes to this blog because he hears about a prolifer who’s thinking is not lock-step with his own, and he starts to attack. And then he tries to get his antagonist to address him his way too! I said to myself, hey, I’m Jewish, I recognize chutzpah. Who does this guy think he is?
It’s amazing what people will try to get away with.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:19 pm
>>>KISSING MY BACKSIDE? I’M NOT LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT OR FOR YOU TO KISS ANYTHING.<<<
good, then you won't be disappointed
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July 21, 2011 at 8:21 pm
>>>I JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU COME FROM AS FAR AS YOUR STAND GOES. YOU SORT OF TAKE A STAND BUT NOT REALLY. I DON’T GET IT. EITHER BABIES ARE DYING OR THEY AREN’T. IF THEY ARE THEN SHOULDN’T WE BE BOLD IN TRYING TO SAVE THEM?<<<
you don't get it because you're a piss poor listener
you seem to think it's your way or no way
if you want to save babies,get your cellulitic butt out of that computer chair and help the women who need help.
help to save them and the babies will be saved by default.
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July 22, 2011 at 4:31 am
“you seem to think it’s your way or no way” — I accused
Rog of this months ago. It’s satisfying to see that your students have paid attention.
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July 22, 2011 at 6:28 am
What makes you think I am not helping women? I could tell you but I would be bragging according to Kate, so what am I to do? I am accused but cannot answer my accuser. You guys sure expect a person to jump through hoops don’t you?
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July 22, 2011 at 9:23 am
how do you help women, deanna?
by telling them “oh don’t kill your baby, i will help you!” and then tossing a bag of diapers at them and expecting them to be grateful because the diapers are white like jesus?
helping the women takes time, love and commitment.
it means opening ones heart and home to them.
it means being willing to help them out of financial crisis.
it means being willing to help then secure job training, housing, food, medical care for herself and the baby and any other children she has.
it means being willing to help her out of abusive relationships.
it means being willing to help her secure an education so that she can make a better life for herself and her family.
it means being willing to do all of those things and many more,and what’s more,it means being willing to do those things, even if she aborts.
those are things that lifers should be doing in accordance with jesus’ message of social justice.
they shouldn’t be done just to save a baby.
they should be done because it is the right thing to do.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:28 am
I know all of that but I will not discuss how and when I help because no one really wants that answer. What they want is to have more ammunition in order to accuse me of bragging. Do you see how it works Rog? You ask a question and if I answer it I’m bragging but if I don’t answer it then there pops up a whole long line of comments accusing me of skirting the issue or avoiding the answer, etc. I’m just not sure which hoop I am supposed to jump through this time.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:24 pm
>>>SO WHAT EXACTLY IS MY ILK??<<<
Definition of ILK
: sort, kind <the rejection of these books or others of like ilk
in this case, it would be those who claim to follow jesus and spew hatred and vitriol in his name
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July 22, 2011 at 6:30 am
What hatred and vitriol did I spew? Seriously, I want to know? Was it the you shouldn’t kill babies part? The they deserve to live part? Really, what was it? Again, if you are going to accuse me then back it up.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:24 am
see your own quotes of hatred at this link:
www,abortion.ws
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July 22, 2011 at 9:29 am
There are none!
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July 23, 2011 at 3:49 pm
>>>There are none!<<<
JAJAJAJAJA
i have pointed out your displays of hatred to you numerous times in a way as nicely as i could put it and you admitted to it, but rationalized it with BS.
yet when i stop sugarcoating things for you, you say i am being mean and condescending and deny ever being hateful altogether.
you need to get your lies straight.
lie right,deanna, lie right!
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July 21, 2011 at 8:24 pm
>>>YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THAT ONE.<<<
good, then STFU
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July 21, 2011 at 8:31 pm
>>>I GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO HAVE AN ADULT CONVERSATION AND THEY ACT LIKE SCHOOL KIDS.<<<
more attacks on "them"!
you have this enemy named "them" and "they"
"i am so frustrated by "THEM"
"THEY are so immature
i got news for ya mujer.
THEY are not some different species
and this being a pro-choice blog, you need to show a bit of respect for THEM.
THEY could help you a lot if your real motivation was to save the babies, rather than to promote yourself.
THEY keep trying to tell you to help the women rather than relish in your fetus fetish.
jiminey christmas! i half expect you to run around at fetish clubs in rubber carrying a whip and fetus dolls.
maybe if you would listen to THEM,THEY would help you.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:36 pm
>>>I ASK THEM TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY SAY THAT, PROVIDE SOME SORT OF REASONING, NOTHING! NOT ONE WORD EXCEPT MORE OF THE YOUR AN IDIOT JUNK.<<<
what is "an idiot junk"?
is that some kind of chinese fishing boat?
where can i find one of these "an idiot junks"?
do they also make "an genius junks"?
or do you mean that they give you more of the "YOU'RE an idiot" junk?
if you want to call people out on a spelling error, expect for people to call you out for using the wrong word altogether and no punctuation.
that is one of the reasons why people here have little patience with you.
on top of your lack compassion for women facing an unplanned pregnancy ( unless of course she will do as you say ) and your holier than thou attitude, you simply refuse to admit to any human flaw.
admitting to flaws is not a weakness it is a strength.
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July 22, 2011 at 5:13 am
So far, Rog, your responses speak to the heart of all those who have articulated smart responses to the deaf ears of Deanna. I’m in absolute agreement with you.
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July 22, 2011 at 6:36 am
Holier than thou? Wow! Apparently a pro-lifer isn’t allowed to actually be pro-life and take a real stand because if we do we are labelled as “holier than thou. If telling people that innocent babies should not be killed makes me “holier than thou” sounding then there is nothing that I can do about that. I will not stop saying it though nor will I stop telling the truth of the matter. Go back and read what I have said in context to see what I Really said instead of joining Kate in taking my words out of context and turning them on me.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:28 am
yes,holier than thou
you act like you have two anuses and they both have a pucker factor of at least 14.
a real stand, deanna? are you serious?
a real stand is made for life is made with loving acts in the real world, not by sitting on one’s caboose online after bragging about having adopted so many minority children.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:32 am
No Rog, I have not bragged about anything! I answered questions and accusations. In this case yours! Don’t accuse me of sitting on my caboose when you know nothing about me or what I do and don’t do.
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July 23, 2011 at 3:52 pm
>>> Don’t accuse me of sitting on my caboose when you know nothing about me or what I do and don’t do.<<<
i know that you have more time for sitting on your loose caboose online, than a single person with no life has,muchless a supposed mother of 4.
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July 24, 2011 at 11:54 am
She is crazy in her thinking Rogelio.
Rogelio you are correct.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:38 pm
>>>I’M NOT YELLING AT YOU. JUST USING CAPS FOR CLARITY IN WHO SAID WHAT.<<<
i don't need your clarity. it is far better to make more short posts than those long boring diatribes that you are prone to
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July 20, 2011 at 11:30 pm
>>>Did you mean to use the word “justifiable’?<<<
JAJAJAJAJAJA
people who say that killing doctors who perform abortions is acceptable, are promoting what they refer to as justifiable homicide.
and you said that he is sane.
DUUURRRRRR!
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July 21, 2011 at 12:19 am
He’s sane in the sense that he knows it’s wrong to kill a baby. Other’s who claim to be sane and call him insane don’t seem to know that.
I do wonder about that. I mean how things got so turned around that killing is considered sane and trying to stop it is considered insane. Being vocal about stopping it makes one a moron. Pleading with people as they walk to the killing place makes one a terrorist.
There are dead babies, I point them out and say that isn’t right and I’m labeled as an idiot, a moron, stupid, deranged, a freak, not part of the mainstream, and a host of other things. Meanwhile, the people who are killing the babies and arguing that they be killed are labeled the sane tolerant ones. Even by you…a pro-lifer….it makes no sense. How did this happen to our society to the point that killing is normal and standing against it is abnormal.
I saw an article today on Jill Staneks website where these pro-lifers took pictures of aborted babies into an art festival. They had pictures of huge aborted babies and people were standing in front of the babies pictures holding signs that said, “I like sex, I don’t like babies” and then something about choice. I have absolutely no understanding of that. It’s almost like they are blind to the reality that those are truly dead babies. Like they can’t even see them. With their actions they are saying, “I see those dead babies but I don’t care about that one little bit.”. What is that when people are that cold on the inside to a dead human? Are we loosing all of our compassion in favor of ourselves? I would love to hear your thoughts on that. (Not if they should have been there with them in the first place. I mean your thoughts on the reactions) The lead to her article is on her main page but if you click on it you can see the pics I’m talking about.
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July 21, 2011 at 3:52 am
I really should just sit back and admire, but, unfortunately, I have a big mouth, especially when I’m named: “I’ll be you anything that even John Dunkle will admit that they have been engaged in a number of nefarious activities over the years.”
I should know. I was heavily into OR for several years. The only nefarious activity I witnessed was our collapse before government pressure. Each of us collapsed in his or her own way. Mine didn’t come from the twenty or so jailings. It came from the fifty grand fine (while trying to raise five kids on a school teacher’s salary). A few extraordinary people like Jim Kopp carried on by themselves, but, essentially, that was it. OR today is like the 347 other prolife organizations, necessary but not heroic. I think we need heroes. Any out there?.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:40 pm
>>> I mean how things got so turned around that killing is considered sane and trying to stop it is considered insane. <<<
um… er… you DO realize that if someone kills a doctor or a staffer, that they are dead, right?
deanna, do yourself a favor and don't pick your nose because your head is liable to cave in
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July 22, 2011 at 3:51 am
I don’t know what you said to Rog, d, but I was never able to get him this angry, and I consider him far more dangerous to the prolife cause than Chuckles, or even Kate. We have a Rog here in Reading and she is even more destructive than he. Both former killers’ helpers, too. Why can’t they just join our side and shut up.
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July 22, 2011 at 5:45 am
Ah, it just struck me! This is what got Rog so upset: “Doesn’t your butt ever get sore from perpetually sitting on that fence?”
To his credit though — that would have gone right over the heads of Kate and Chuckles.
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July 22, 2011 at 6:50 am
I guess that was it John. I called him out on his fence sitting. I wondered myself why he became so angry and started lashing out the way he did. I just get frustrated because I realize that babies are dying as we speak and the whole attitude of not taking a real stand frustrates me because while we sit around balking about the lacking virtues of CPC’s some baby is being dismembered. It’s not a nice subject, babies are dying and we don’t have time to play the whole, “I have to be politically correct so that I don’t ruffle someones feathers who plans on killing babies today game”. We have to be loud about it, bold about it, but still have compassion and caring. But when we are loud and bold that is mistaken as not being compassionate or caring. But what everyone fails to realize is that our loudness and boldness is simply us saying “The house is on fire” at the top of our lungs because we do care. And not just about the babies as some would insinuate but about the mothers as well. Although since it is the babies who are going to die in the next few minutes they must at that moment be our priority for that time frame. But that in no way insinuates that we don’t care about the others involved.
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July 22, 2011 at 6:37 am
You do realize how incredibly rude and condescending you are being don’t you? And for absolutely no reason. That was a genuine question that I asked. Why so mean and hateful about it?
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July 22, 2011 at 9:33 am
deanna, i have sat back and remained silent while you spouted talking points and ignored others that you could have learned from because i thought you deserved a chance to learn from others so that you could become a more efficient more productive lifer.
but apparently you think that there is nothing that anyone else can teach you.
i am simply calling you out on it.
you can claim that i sit on the fence because i don’t spew hatred to those that i disagree with on this issue. frankly i don’t care.
i know, and they know that we are not a different species of animal.
many of them have helped me to be a more productive lifer, and i hope that i have helped them in some way.
so you continue on with your little hissy fit and if you ever want to admit that there might be something that you can learn from someone else, then, don’t be afraid to admit it.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:49 am
Again, show me the ‘hatred” I have spewed. There is none! I have never said that I can’t learn from someone. I have learned plenty. But you scroll back tot he beginning and you will see where I made a clear statement for example quoting Gallup poll and I was immediately called names like stupid, ignorant, and the like. Then when I defended it I was called names yet again… I got frustrated (not mad) and said something about it then all of a sudden I am the one spewing hate? I have a list of over 100 names that I have been called while on this site (I kept them for a reason) simply as a result of the fact that I stated documented facts. You can turn this and make it be my fault if you wan to but anyone reading it can see what has happened unless that person has an agenda against me in the first place. I don;t take it personally, frankly I don’t care.It is just frustrating. that is until it comes to Kate bad mouthing my children and my relationship with them. that is crossing a line that no one could be silent about.
My intention is and has been to have true conversations on this blog. I am having one with abortecentrism right now on another page. It is civil with no name calling and no hatefulness. This is what I want but it is almost impossible. Yes, I get frustrated but who wouldn’t with all of the name calling, hatefulness and down right meanness going on? I want to learn, I really do but who can learn when every other post is “you are a mind midget, you don’t know what you are talking about, you a are stupid, you are retarded, you are evil, you are demon possessed. I mean come on! Have you heard me say any of those things? I promise you that you have not. If you can show me where I have attacked someone UNPROVOKED then sure I will admit it but it just isn’t there. Unless you call challenging their beliefs attacking.
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July 23, 2011 at 5:08 am
Geeze, Rog, He’s got you in His clutches: “you can claim that i sit on the fence because i don’t spew hatred to those that i disagree with on this issue. frankly i don’t care.” You spend weeks on this blog pouring out your bottled-up anger, because you “don’t care”? I’d hate to see what you’d do if someone says something that really bothers you then.
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July 21, 2011 at 5:53 am
Pat’s post was about escorts. I believe escorts have value in locations where protesters harass and scream at women (like John Dunkle’s “Mommy, please don’t let them tear my arms and legs off” said at the clinic doorway, “to make them “remember the day as the worst day of their life, like going through the gates of Hell”). I disagree with those who believe any tactic is OK if it stops a woman from having an abortion. Operation Rescue seems to have this mentality–do whatever is necessary to end abortion. To those who are prochoice, this thinking harms women. From my observations, the controversy is not just about abortion, religion or free speech but is also about flagrant disrespect and personally intrusive and mean-spirited comments toward women. Unlike compassionate advocacy based on integrity, honesty, and human dignity, far too many of OR’s and other prolifers’ efforts are far too often more like a multipronged attack against –innocent –non-combatants –called —-women.
And while I acknowledge that there are a few respondents who believe the majority of abortions are done for “convenience” reasons, there ARE abortions done for ensuring the continuity of the woman’s life. Ending abortion would kill that woman. But convenience/social reasons or not, the woman is still an autonomous human being worthy of respect, and still entitled to terminate her pregnancy, kill the embryo/fetus, if she is unable or unwilling to continue.
Returning to the escorts and their value to women, it’s the women themselves (and their companions/family) who thank them every day for helping them past the throngs of angry, self-righteous men and women who are all too anxious to peer into their private lives and make judgments, all too often unwilling to listen. And if they do pretend to listen, it’s only to find a way to insert their own agenda. They can’t truly listen because they’re incapable of understanding anything beyond their own myopia.
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July 21, 2011 at 7:33 am
“(like John Dunkle’s “Mommy, please don’t let them tear my arms and legs off” said at the clinic doorway, “to make them “remember the day as the worst day of their life, like going through the gates of Hell”).”
I only act this way in Allentown because the deathscorts talk loudly to each entering pregnant woman, telling her that we’re nut jobs and such. I trying to talk over them plus they trying to drown out me equals chaos. What’s the alternative — the killers’ helper hearing a pro-death talk as she walks into the mill?
But that’s still only my second choice. I would prefer what happens in Reading where there are no deathscorts. In Reading one or two prolife women talk softly to the killers’ helper as she enters the mill.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:15 am
Translated: I’m John Dunkle and it’s all about what I want to do.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:38 am
Taint, it’s all about what you should do.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:41 am
According to your rules, John.
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July 21, 2011 at 7:48 am
“. . . against innocent, non-combatants called women.” Innocent, non-combatants my foot. Some of these are cold-blooded killers’ helpers. Sure, most of them are desperadoes, but isn’t the law supposed to protect us from desperadoes?
I love it when Kate writes because one can have a field day with almost every sentence. Look here: “the woman is still . . . entitled to . . . kill the embryo/fetus, if she is unable or unwilling to continue [to let her live].” So all one has to do to kill someone else is to be unable or unwilling to let her live!
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July 21, 2011 at 8:45 am
The desperadoes are folks like John Dunkle, Joe Kubick, Gerry McWilliams–desperate to be a hero, desperate to control women, desperate to shame and terrorize
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July 21, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Kate’s frequent name-calling. The desperadoes, Kate, are the many women who enter the mill in desperation. They have a terrible problem and they are going to get rid of it. But the law should protect that person they want to get rid of.
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July 21, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Name calling like calling people desperadoes or name calling like calling you and your cronies out, by name? I’ll post addresses too if that helps.
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July 21, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I feel bad for the women that enter the Catholic Mills and the CPC Mills.
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July 23, 2011 at 5:10 am
Oooh, Thomas, you are clever.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:32 am
thanks, Kate, for getting back to the subject…
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July 21, 2011 at 8:50 pm
i agree.
thank you kate for keeping focus.
pat, and all the readers, please forgive me for my part in guiding us offtrack.
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July 21, 2011 at 12:48 pm
True Kate, and I want to personally thank all the escorts out there that have protected women from pro life violence and intimidation and harm.
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July 21, 2011 at 1:09 pm
I’m convinced that escorts make a huge difference for women who truly fear the protesters. It’s like Rachel Maddow said of them, “If you can’t stop women from having abortions, at least make the experience as vile, invasive, and humiliating as possible.”
And they do.
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July 21, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Rachel said that? I thought I said that.
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July 23, 2011 at 11:37 am
I would also like to thank all the individuals that have served as escorts at Doctor’s Offices.
They certainly have protected women from the wide variety of misogyny perpetrated by the Pro Life movement.
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July 24, 2011 at 11:55 am
I also want to thank escorts.
Pro Lifers harm women everyday.
The CPC Mills harm women every day.
It is revolting.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:17 am
“So all one has to do to kill someone else is to be unable or unwilling to let her live!” Exactly if it’s an embryo or fetus. And it’s legal. Can’t beat that, can you?
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July 21, 2011 at 12:14 pm
“So all one has to do to kill someone else is to be unable or unwilling to let her live!” Exactly if it’s an embryo or fetus. And it’s legal. Can’t beat that, can you?
And what if it was a Jew and that was legal. And what if it will be any woman over fifty and that will be legal.
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July 21, 2011 at 12:23 pm
comparing apples and oranges, are you?
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July 21, 2011 at 4:05 pm
I guess you mean the Jew and the woman are people (apples) while the embryo and the fetus are humanoids (oranges).
That it?
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July 21, 2011 at 8:21 am
It just dawned on me that when Deanna criticizes all of these horrible women who want to KILL THEIR BABY, she is also criticizing her mother who, as I understand it, wanted to KILL HER BABY….
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July 21, 2011 at 8:43 am
Funny thing how pointing a finger has a way of coming full circle and pointing back at the one is is criticizing.
Oh, snap! Don’t you just hate it when things like that happen?
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July 21, 2011 at 9:12 am
Trust me when I say my mother and I have had these conversations. She is fully supportive of what I do and what I say. She is a vocal pro-lifer as well because she realized from experience what was that might not have been…my life.
Also, I never have said those women are horrible. What I have said is that they have been duped by a society that tells them it is ok, by “counselors” who tell them God approves, and by sales tactics at abortion clinics, euphemisms and propaganda. I see the huge majority of these women as victims as well. Most know they are killing their unborn baby though. You have said that yourself Pat (or you called it a fetus) so me saying so is just a statement. Not a condemnation.
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July 21, 2011 at 12:27 pm
It’s funny how your mother and father at that time thought abortion was the best thing for them But now, oh no….others who might think it’s the right option shouldn’t be allowed to do it. Oh, but wait, your mother suddenly realized that if she didn’t have the abortion she would have had a child! Now I see why you think women are so easy to fool…Oh, those poor, defenseless women who dont know anything about their body!!!
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July 21, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Gosh Pat, you are so melodramatic. It is called propaganda and people are lulled into believing it by the slow nauseating pace of it. 75 years ago most thought a lot of things were immoral that today our society accepts as normal. Morality didn’t change, our perception of it did by the clever use of propaganda by people who want things their way. You do remember the propaganda about partial birth abortion that someone took back because their conscience bothered them don’t you? Not everyone has that same conscience so the propaganda stands and through it society’s moral perception changed. Including society’s thoughts on abortion in general and specifically women’s acceptance of it.
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July 21, 2011 at 1:07 pm
“Oh, gosh, Pat, you are so melodramatic”
Well, how about “There are dead babies, I point them out and say that isn’t right and I’m labeled as an idiot, a moron, stupid, deranged, a freak, not part of the mainstream, and a host of other things.”
Or how about “But I can guarantee they have never “harmed” a woman by perforating her uterus, killing her baby, causing her to be sterile, shooting her with out of date meds (Allentown Womens Services) or any of the other vile things that some of these clinics do.”
Or how about (in caps) “I GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO HAVE AN ADULT CONVERSATION AND THEY ACT LIKE SCHOOL KIDS”
Oh, gosh, So Melodramatic!
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July 21, 2011 at 1:12 pm
That’s not melodrama. That’s fact stated as fact containing no drama whatsoever. It is what it is!
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July 21, 2011 at 12:52 pm
So many pro lifers have gotten abortions when “They” needed them. Suddenly, it was convenient to be pro choice for themselves.
I have personally seen this many, many times.
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July 21, 2011 at 1:34 pm
ok
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July 21, 2011 at 8:51 pm
most of the women i have met in front of clinics identify as pro-life.
it’s really easy to say that you will never do something until you are in a certain position.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:32 am
Deanna: On your blog, there is a picture of you and a man in a pumpkin patch. Is that your husband?
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July 21, 2011 at 9:03 am
Yep.
If you scroll down to the bottom there is a pic of the whole gang.
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July 21, 2011 at 10:57 am
Deanna asked the questions “What is that when people are that cold on the inside to a dead human? Are we loosing all of our compassion in favor of ourselves?” The first question assumes qualities of other human beings without knowing them at all. People respond to graphic images differently (and they are images, not actual humans). To make the assumption that they’re cold on the inside disregards the possibility that they are pimping prolifers, that they are simply guarding their own feelings, that they don’t trust the veracity of the images (in this age of Photoshop) or myriad other explanations.
The second question is an overgeneralization about “we” and about our ability to show compassion because there are millions of folks who are compassionate. How you define compassion, however, is, to my mind, the larger question. Not every person has the same level of compassion for an embryo or fetus as they do for the woman. But saying that doesn’t make the person who favors the woman less compassionate than those who value said embryo/fetus.
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July 21, 2011 at 11:16 am
Oh well… as much as i see these debates going nowhere… more i want to be in the middle of the animals… much more reasonable and honest!
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July 21, 2011 at 11:34 am
I tried reading all the comments, but honestly i am afraid of saying anything.
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July 21, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Yeah, you gotta be careful Sonia!! 🙂
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July 21, 2011 at 1:28 pm
For those of us who believe the bible clinic escorts are the opposite of this:
Proverbs 24:11-12:
Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold
back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. If you say,
“Behold, we did not know this,” does not he who weighs
the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over
your soul know it, and will he not repay each man according
to his work?
Instead of rescuing those being taken away to death they are escorting them to their deaths.
This scripture also explains why Operation Rescue, Protesters, and pro-life activists do what they do in the way they do it. Kate, you said it is about controlling women. No, that has nothing to do with our perspective. Our perspective comes form two places. 1) We believe it to be immoral to kill a baby, no matter the gestational age. and 2) The Bible mandates those of us who are believers to try and stop it.
Now I know that a lot of you are not believers and I don’t expect you to believe this but it may help you understand us better. Also, it explains why I say that clergy who claim that God is ok with abortion are wrong.! This scripture has no age limit. it simply says, “Those who are being taken away to death.” This is an inclusive statement.
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July 21, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Most people on Earth do not believe Your Minority interpretation of the bible.
Your interpretation is a tiny percent of beliefs among billions of people.
To claim you have the unique perspective on Theology and the Path to Righteousness is unbelievably presumptuous and naive.
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July 21, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Did I say that? Hmmmm….I heard me say this “Now I know that a lot of you are not believers and I don’t expect you to believe this but it may help you understand us better.”
My comment was for the intent of helping pro-choice people understand pro-life people better. It was NOT to get into a debate about religion.
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July 23, 2011 at 3:57 pm
>>>My comment was for the intent of helping pro-choice people understand pro-life people better.<<>>It was NOT to get into a debate about religion.<<<
of course it was! there are atheist and agnostic lifers.
so obviously it was an attempt to force your religious beliefs on others.
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July 21, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Deanna,
You argue that it’s not about controlling women. You write that it has “nothing to do with our perspective” as if you speak for all prolife activists, which, I fear, is impossible to accomplish. Additionally, there are those who find no value in religious texts such as your bible. Using a broken record tactic to say “it’s in the bible” or “other clergy are wrong about abortion” does nothing to further your credibilty or your argument. You’re using yourself and your bible as standards that are not accepted worldwide.
And, if it’s not about controlling women, how else would someone stop an abortion? You don’t want her to kill her embryo/fetus. You want to stop her. She doesn’t want this embryo/fetus but you want her to want it. She does not want to carry it to term and keep it or give it away. If that’s not controlling a woman, I don’t know what is.
Finally, what do you feel is your mandate when a woman will die because of her health reasons, like the woman in Arizona? Does your bible mandate that you try to stop her from killing her fetus it will live, she will die and her four children will be motherless? Or is this too melodramatic a question to ask?
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July 21, 2011 at 4:16 pm
“Does your bible mandate that you try to stop her from killing her fetus it will live, she will die and her four children will be motherless? Or is this too melodramatic a question to ask?”
No, Kate, it’s too stupid a one. Stupid because it’s been answered again and again on this blog. If a woman is going to die if she continues to carry the child, as in an ectopic pregnancy, she can choose to save her own life even if the baby will die as a result.
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July 21, 2011 at 4:23 pm
“And, if it’s not about controlling your government, how else would someone stop The Final Solution? You don’t want us to kill the Jews. You want to stop us. We don’t want these people living among us but you want us to want them. We do not want nor can we afford the expense of letting them live here and letting them emigrate later. If that’s not controlling a country, I don’t know what is.”
Now there’s melodrama.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:16 pm
John, you are useless, tired and uninspiring
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July 22, 2011 at 3:58 am
ugly, smelly, loud, disagreeable, and nasty.
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July 22, 2011 at 5:50 am
and old, don’t forget old
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July 22, 2011 at 7:05 am
And a yankee to boot. Dang you are just the misfit aren’t you?
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July 23, 2011 at 3:59 pm
>>>And a yankee to boot. <<<
oh great! on top of saying that black people are not real living people like the unborn are, she's still fighting the civil war!
that war is over,deanna!
you lost!
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July 23, 2011 at 5:19 pm
That’s it for you, Rog. Now you’re just being stupid, l like the AI’s. I could explain this to you but even to try that would be embarrassing.
I used to think that no literate person could be more dense than Chuckles. I was wrong.
I take all the above back though if you’re spent the first twenty-two years of your life in another country. If not, you’re outta here. I might let you return in ’12.
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July 24, 2011 at 11:59 am
DeAnna has ProTypical regurgitated ProLife comments. No real original thoughts.
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July 21, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Kate, just like Ursala you need to be reminded of why I said what I did:
“Now I know that a lot of you are not believers and I don’t expect you to believe this but it may help you understand us better.”
My comment was for the intent of helping pro-choice people understand pro-life people better. It was NOT to get into a debate about religion.
As far as it being about controlling women. I guess you are partly right about that. As a by-product of stopping abortion women who would otherwise have one would be controlled. But that is definitely not the goal of pro-lifers. (And when I use the term Pro-lifers in this context I am speaking of the movement as a whole, not individuals within that movement).
What woman in Arizona are you talking about? I don’t think I know that story.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:15 pm
What a bunch of malarkey—-
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July 22, 2011 at 6:53 am
What is malarky about it?
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July 23, 2011 at 4:00 pm
that you speak for an entire movement for one thing
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July 24, 2011 at 7:54 am
I say she does speak for it. Name me one better.
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July 22, 2011 at 6:23 am
So, all of those other religions are wrong and yours is right? Must be nice to have the perfect religion….
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July 22, 2011 at 6:59 am
Pat Oh Pat, did you not see the statement that I made when I said I did not expect readers who did not believe the bible to believe that and that i was stating it so that you guys could understand the pro-lifers better?
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July 23, 2011 at 4:00 pm
the atheist and agnostic pro-lifers would say you are FOS
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July 24, 2011 at 12:02 pm
DeAnna,
If you have a minority viewpoint on your interpretation of the minority religion in the world of Christianity, Why would you try and FORCE that tiny minority belief on others?
Especially when others do not agree with your perspective and they are equally entitled to their opinion on their relationship with God and Moral Values?
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July 26, 2011 at 8:20 am
Did you answer Lilly, DeAnna?
She makes a good point.
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July 24, 2011 at 7:56 am
Pat, deanna’s Protestant! They don’t say that! That’s what we Catholics say.
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July 21, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Key in the terms, on Google,
st joseph hospital & arizona & abortion
and you will find, ad nauseum,
all manner of religion, abortion, morality
almost nothing about the woman/mother
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July 22, 2011 at 4:15 am
And if the State and its citizens like you, Kate, were helping to kill the woman/mother rather than the baby, you’d find in those places almost nothing about the baby.
Don’t you folks realize that today, here, “in our time” as they say, it is the very young who are under attack. It’s not older women, or Italians, or Native Americans, or the Irish, or two-year olds, or incarcerated teenagers, or African Americans, or or any of a hundred other groups. But don’t you also realize that it could be, that it has been in the past, that something just as ugly will occur in the future?
But today the killing of the youngest is where it’s at. “Abortion” is the bandwagon. Are you going to hop off, or are you going to continue to ride it to your own destruction.
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July 22, 2011 at 5:18 am
I’m not worried about all this “could be in the future” like you are, John. Of course, you are further along the age continuum so it would be understandable why you’re so concerned with death.
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July 22, 2011 at 5:52 am
“I’m not worried about all this “could be in the future” like you are, John.”
You should be.
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July 22, 2011 at 6:57 am
It reminds me of the whole “reaping what you sow” principle from scripture. If a person sows death, dying, and mangling of babies bodies, or the “right” to do these thing will they reap it in their own lives some day? I don;t know the answer to that but I have wondered it.
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July 24, 2011 at 12:03 pm
John you should be worried about your entrance to heaven after what you have done, you are presently on the path to Hell.
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July 24, 2011 at 4:10 pm
might be right
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July 22, 2011 at 9:35 am
deanna,
i have addressed all of your points to me, and did so in a manner that does not require yelling, by doing so in shorter, easier to read posts, rather than the ones you prefer to make that are too long to comfortably read.
yet you have danced around the majority of them.
please address all of them.
thank you.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:55 am
Are you kidding me?
With you saying things like this:
“the only one that has said a word about ‘YOUR CHILDREN” ( if you had really adopted those children, which i seriously doubt ) is you.”
I can give no correct answers. If I answer your accusations I am bragging and “parading my children around, being holier than thou and attacking and If I don’t I’m skirting the issue.
“yet you have danced around the majority of them.”
No thank you! I’m not playing the game anymore.
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July 22, 2011 at 10:25 am
Yes you are. You can’t leave. You’re hooked. You’ll be here day after day. You’ll continue to play the HTT (holier than thou) Game.
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July 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm
I didn’t say I was leaving. I said I was done with yours and Rogs game of accusing and blaming and I am.
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July 22, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Maybe you are tired of playing games by yourself, at least some of them, but I serious doubt you will tire any time soon playing the I Can’t Hear You game.
Ito goes like this: Imagine a 5 year old not getting his way so he puts his hands over his ears and shouts “I can’t hear you” over and over and over.
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July 23, 2011 at 4:33 pm
you’re not leaving, you’re flouncing, eh?
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July 23, 2011 at 4:03 pm
i simply don’t believe your statements about having adopted 4 children.
maybe if you stated how you help women facing unplanned pregnancies, i would find what you say more believable.
but be as evasive as you wish.
it speaks volumes.
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July 23, 2011 at 4:39 pm
dear readers,
please take notice that despite numerous efforts to get deanna to answer queries as to what efforts she makes towards the PL movement besides sitting on her loose caboose,spewing venom,she continues to deflect.
it has become painfully obvious that besides advocating justifiable homicide, refusal to show any compassion towards women facing unplanned pregnancies, and making up stories about adopting minority children, that she simply wants to take over this blog.
i crinkle my nose in DISGUST at the stench of her self-promotion!
*crinkle crinkle crinkle*
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July 23, 2011 at 5:25 pm
I know it’s cruel but I enjoy seeing Rog squirm. Wish I could come up with things like ““Doesn’t your butt ever get sore from perpetually sitting on that fence?”
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July 24, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Rogelio,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
In my country it is horrible how women are treated, and it doesn’t appear that we can do anything about it.
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July 22, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Allentown folks, I thought you might be interested in this article about this former abortion clinic worker from Allentown. Warning FYI: it is from a pro-life source.
liveaction.org/blog/exclusive-former-abortion-clinic-worker-speaks-out-for-life/
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July 22, 2011 at 2:49 pm
I actually just read the piece and I think I know her. Still, I have many, many reactions. One thing that pops up is how she said they told the women about adoption (because, you know, these ignorant women don’t know that that’s an option) but Jewels was upset because they just referred the women to adoption agencies. So, now, the clinic workers are supposed to be experts in the actual adoption process? Gimme a break… It isn’t enough that they give our phone numbers but now they have to know about the entire process. Women are not lame, you know. Some are actually somewhat intelligent..
So, I hope this woman is happy. And tomorrow another pro-lifer will get an abortion, in case anyone is keeping score on conversions….
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July 22, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Actually, there are ACN-affiliated clinics who have adoption specialists. They do not process the adoption but have extensive knowledge that they share about the options, if the woman is interested. I also know for a fact that pregnancy options are discussed because they are state mandated in PA.
And for every conversion from prochoice to prolife (as if they are equal oppposites), there are millions who remain progressive, open to the needs of women, as their priority.
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July 23, 2011 at 5:27 am
Thanks for sending this, d. This woman is another Rog, Nathanson, Johnson, Kuhns, to name those that come to mind immediately. They switch from pro-death to prolife and just can’t stop telling the rest of us prolifers how we should act.
All these disagreements among us should be settled behind closed doors. But no, that’s not their way. Their way is the emails, the blogs, and the books, bay bee. And it’s my way or the highway.
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July 22, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Sitting here in the 100 degree heat….and I’m still laughing quietly at how Operation Rescue has never harmed any women….
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July 22, 2011 at 2:38 pm
It is definitely hot! Gotta go find a beach.
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July 22, 2011 at 5:13 pm
It is so laughable to take anyone seriously that would say Operation Rescue has never harmed anyone.
To defend OR’s heinous actions is indefensible.
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July 22, 2011 at 9:35 pm
It is perhaps a defensible argument to say that OR never harmed anyone IF one is considering ONLY those who are prolife–meaning those who are patriarchal, misogynists and/or women who give away their own agency and power in deference to the male rulers in their lives.
Tis to laugh at the minions who grovel at the feet of their sky god and create the enormity of their machinations to infuse themselves with importance and value like big fish in a little smarmy pond: hence, the fish symbol.
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July 23, 2011 at 5:32 am
“It is so laughable to take anyone seriously that would say Operation Rescue has never harmed anyone.”
Now Thomas, my lad, are your referring here to me? Moi? Moi?
I would never say that. Truth is OR harmed millions. We harmed all those we would by now have saved if it hadn’t been for our ignominious collapse. God help us.
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July 22, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Just a quick note about the heat and one of our illustrious protesters we sometimes call J-Dog. Like everyone, she chose to sit in the shade a distance away from the clinic door. But she couldn’t resist the opportunity to waddle over to share her delusional ideations (perhaps caused by the heat) about Ms Deanna Parker and how Deanna really put me in my place. I had to laugh at her fantasy.
I guess the heat’s getting to folks.
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July 23, 2011 at 5:26 am
you forgot to mention that she’s a runner-up for “What not to wear” in public.
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July 23, 2011 at 5:35 am
You say this because where you stand the sun is in your eyes and you cannot see the others around you, Sharon.
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July 23, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Once again, you know not. J Dog (we’ve also called her J-Bitch, b/c she is) showed up with what should have been a nightgown. The woman is way beyond the spaghetti-strapped goddess. Two ton tessies with bared tatas are not appropriate attire when assuming the holy stance or pretending to give a rat’s patootie. And gawd forbid the “Baby Got Back” moves…..holy mole
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July 24, 2011 at 5:34 am
You young folks talk a different language. But I do understand, Kate, why J so upsets you. She is a beautiful woman, among other things. Pure jealousy. Among those other things is her keeping score on the exchangers between you and deanna. They tell me it’s her 100, you 0. I know you should have kept out of it, as you did at first when you recognized her power. But something she said made you decide to return. Bad decision for you guys. Good for us..
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July 24, 2011 at 3:10 pm
really? RECOGNIZE her Power over what? We don’t talk in a different language you just cannot vouch for anything, and thus are not an actuator of anything but the methane flowing from mouth, your just as bad as half the people on here:)
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July 24, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Recognize her power to see through the rationalizations of those who are not just satisfied to help kill weaker people but who feel the need to explain themselves. Really they are not talking to deanna or me, they are talking to themselves. “My helping to kill people is OK because d and Dunkle are sickos” is just one of their endlessly repeated stupidities.
Why then do you like them, you ask, Because they are so much more alive than the helpers who couldn’t care less about what they are doing.
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July 23, 2011 at 4:31 pm
oh, does j-dog read this blog?
oh j-dog, i have something for you.
it’s right here in my pocket. let me get it.
why look! it’s a great big bag of SCREW YOU!
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July 23, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Are you pointing to heaven, Rog? Or are you showing us your IQ.
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July 24, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Rogelio is the only real ProLifer I have read on this site so far. All the others are wackos!
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July 25, 2011 at 5:22 am
If you were able to read, R, you’d realize you have that backwards.
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July 24, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Rogelio,
that is pretty neat.
Do you have a program that does images with text or did you just have that already?
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July 25, 2011 at 10:31 am
hi randy
i had that in my files, but you can google things like that. facepalm, etc.
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July 24, 2011 at 12:16 pm
J- Dog sounds like a horrible person!
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July 24, 2011 at 4:17 pm
J-Dog is a nickname for Joyce Mazalewski, Orefield PA, who has told women that their baby is going to look like baby road kill, that the baby will haunt you at night, that her relationship with the father of the baby will be over after the abortion, that abortion increases breast cancer by 400%, that abortion hurts all women, that abortion causes post abortion stress syndrome, that all men regret lost fatherhood, and other lies. Yesterday, she brought a poodle to the clinic (as another in a long series of ludicrous props) to attempt yet another of her claims that abusing puppies is like abusing women and fetuses, that people would abort a puppy.
One can review the American Cancer Society, the National Institute for Health, the Mayo Clinic, the American Psychological Association or dozens of other institutions to learn that all the crap she spouts are lies dreamt up by bogus prolife organizations using biased research and, yes, some delusional folks like JDog and her sidekicks.
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July 24, 2011 at 4:41 pm
“J-Dog is a nickname for Joyce Mazalewski, Orefield PA, who has told women 1) that their baby is going to look like baby road kill, 2) that the baby will haunt you at night, 3) that her relationship with the father of the baby will be over after the abortion,4) that abortion increases breast cancer by 400%, 5) that abortion hurts all women, 6) that abortion causes post abortion stress syndrome, 7) that all men regret lost fatherhood.”
1) true
2) true
3) true
4) I’m not sure
5) true
6) true
7) the really dopey ones don’t
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July 25, 2011 at 7:09 pm
J-Dog is Joyce Mazalewski=true
Everything else that Dunkle says=false
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July 26, 2011 at 4:09 am
even #4?
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