I rarely read LIFENEWS, the on-line “newspaper” of the Right To Life movement, or at least the main one. But I was recently trolling around the internet the other night when I came across this site and an article caught my eye. The headline read: “House Panel OKs Bill to Stop Unlimited Abortions in Nation’s Capital” and the first sentence informed us that this bill would stop the “policy of unlimited abortions throughout pregnancy for any reason in the nation’s capital.”
In the past, I’ve talked about how advocates on both sides of the abortion issue get so locked into their positions that they dare not consider that their opponents might have a point and they certainly do not question the stuff that comes down from their oh-so-sacred national organizations. So, if Planned Parenthood announced tomorrow that they’ve learned that President Obama will soon convert to the pro-life position, their followers would take the announcement as gospel and start sending money to “help us convince the President is on the wrong track.”
So, this little nugget from LIFENEWS got my attention pretty quickly.
As my readers know, I’ve worked with abortion clinics for the last 20 years. As such, I got to know just about every clinic, every owner and every doctor. One thing that I paid particular attention to was how far a doctor would go in terms of weeks when terminating a pregnancy. That was important information because I would constantly get calls from women looking for an abortion and the first thing you needed to know was how many weeks pregnant they were because, if their pregnancy was rather advanced, the number of doctors who performed later abortions were few and far between. So, I basically knew how far each clinic went.
So, when I read that there was a “policy of unlimited abortions” in the District of Columbia, I was caught short. Unlimited? As in, they perform abortions in our capital up to the point of birth? Now, if there were clinics in D.C. that performed abortions up to the moment of birth, I would just say it. Everyone knows I am unapologetic about what the clinics do and how far they go. So, I gotta tell you that LIFENEWS and their advocates on Capitol Hill are full of it.
Years ago, there was a doctor who did third trimester abortions in D.C., but he has since cut back dramatically and is only offering the abortion pill. Then, there is Doctor Lee Carhart, who recently relocated to Maryland where he is legally permitted to perform third trimester abortions. Then, outside of the D.C. area, there’s a doc in Florida who performs third trimester abortions, Doctor Warren Hern in Colorado, a doctor in California then I understand there are two who do later abortions in New Mexico. Meanwhile, I called the clinics in D.C. and found one that went to 22 weeks.
But, who cares about the facts? Political advocates have to make their points regularly to keep the troops stirred up and, yes, to raise money. And the troops will follow, like lemmings to the sea.
Related articles
- Mississippi to become only state without abortion clinic? (foxnews.com)
- LifeNews Pro-Life News Report 7/18/12 (deaconjohnspace.wordpress.com)
- Obama defends abortion record to critic (wnd.com)
- LifeNews Pro-Life News Report 7/19/12 (deaconforlife.blogspot.com)
- LifeNews Pro-Life News Report 5/17/12 (deaconforlife.blogspot.com)
- Mississippi’s lone abortion clinic fights new law in court (news.yahoo.com)
- Mississippi clinic can continue performing abortions, judge rules (news.blogs.cnn.com)
- The war on abortion rights (sacbee.com)
July 22, 2012 at 2:45 pm
I know what you mean about ignoring facts:
The goofballs who protest abortion using the poster child for all things grotesque, the fetal body parts labeled Malachi, essentially perpetuate two lies. The first lie occurs by associating the image with a clinic that only does abortions up to 18 weeks. The second lie is their claim that the image is of an abortion. The image, which has become the trademark of anti abortion terrorism, is a misnomer because there is absolutely no evidence of an abortion or a stillbirth or even that all the body parts belonged to the same fetus.
On the other hand, the extremists on the pro abortion (not prochoice, because prochoice is NOT pro abortion) side, demand abortion on demand without exceptions without really considering that such an absolutist demand can be wrong. Demanding an abortion at 36 weeks when there is no medical reason, seems bizarre if not plain unethical.
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July 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Lies AntiAborts Tell [with corrections in brackets]
1. Women always regret their abortion. [millions do not regret their abortion. It’s just a small minority within the even smaller minority of anti abortion folks who regret their own abortions]
2. The baby fights for his life during an abortion. [fetuses are incapable of fighting, running away, pushing, shoving.]
3.The film “The Silent Scream” proves the violence committed during an abortion. [the film has been proven to be a propaganda piece that lies about fetal sentience, fetal agency and purposeful movement through the use of technology]
4. Women who have abortions significantly increase their chances of breast cancer.[Using the established medical community as a standard, the connection between elective abortion and breast cancer is unfounded. It is a lie perpetuated by conspiracy folks and pseudo academics.]
5. Abortion is never the answer.[abortion is a wise, safe choice for many and is, therefore a good answer to the question about what to do with an unwanted pregnancy]
6.Post abortion disorder is a real disorder.[Again, the APA and the AMA denies the existence of this disorder. Researchers find over and over that any post abortion sequelae is related to preexisting conditions and not to abortion. One can speculate that this lie is spread by the uninformed, by those who want to make women feel shame and sorrow like they did or like their leaders tell them to feel.]
7.Planned Parenthood and independent abortion providers target minorities.[PP offers low cost health care but does not target any group. The connection that PP is used by minorities relates to availability and cost of health care and not to an imagined, intentional campaign]
8. Pro aborts hate babies.[The majority of people who honor choices for women have children of their own thus making this statement blatantly ignorant and false. For some anti abortion folks, repeatedly using this lie provides a juvenile game of good guy v bad guy.]
9. Abstinence until marriage is the best preventative against unplanned pregnancies and STIs. [This statement fails to take into consideration sex as a natural behavior, fails to take into consideration gays and lesbians, and fails to promote the better choice of comprehensive, age appropriate sex education. It also makes an assumption about the superiority of heterosexual marriage as a cultural institution.]
10. If you are pregnant, you have a beautiful baby who loves you.[If you are pregnant, you are carrying a fetus, period. There’s no guarantee about the aesthetic qualities nor the survivability nor the loving relationship that may develop over time. Further, a non sentient fetus is incapable of loving, choosing to die or not choosing to die, wanting to go to the beach or play ball. In other words, this utterance is simply an emotional, fatuous appeal revealing the ignorance of the utterer.]
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July 23, 2012 at 8:12 am
Actually, I dont like babies when they first come out. I find them all pretty ugly. And I dont like babies with colic 🙂
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July 23, 2012 at 8:16 am
Yeah, colic. A baby’s crying can be the most disturbing sound in the world. No wonder we’re tempted to kill them then too.
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July 23, 2012 at 6:43 pm
keeping socks on the baby helps prevent colic
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July 23, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Really, I’ve not known about that. How’s the little sweetie doing?
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July 24, 2012 at 12:17 am
he is SO close to walking right now. he still has to have someone holding his hands to do it, though.
he will be a year old next month
just as importantly, his mama is doing great in school and we have our schedules worked out so she can still work her CNA job that she loves PT.
through her grandmother, she is getting to know some of her family from her maternal side, since her father alienated her mother and the family from them.
and there are some from her paternal side of the family that have shown interest in her and the baby.
i am SO glad of that because she was basically ion a sort of social prison that her father created for most of her life.
she is such a loving mother and i am so proud of the chains of abuse that she has broken.
he will have the life that she deserved, but never had.
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July 24, 2012 at 8:01 am
Wonderful!
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July 24, 2012 at 8:57 am
Good for all of you, rogelio. May these memories carry you through her teenage years!
Q: “Why did God command Abraham to sacrifice Isaac when he was twelve years old?”
A: “Because if he’d been thirteen, it wouldn’t have been a sacrifice.”
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July 24, 2012 at 8:59 am
I wish I had known that years ago!
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July 22, 2012 at 4:56 pm
I haven’t read Kate’s above stuff yet, Pat, but I think you’re off the mark here. Whether any incarnates living in DC could be killed or not, it is legal to kill them. These prolife folks are simply trying to chip away at the legality of killing them. What do you expect?
After I have my martinis, pesto, and brochette, with my wife and girlfriend, I’ll read Kate and get back here.
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July 22, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Boy that girl do have energy, don’t she? This rehash must have taken her hours!
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July 23, 2012 at 8:10 am
I hear what you are saying, John, in that Roe says you can perform abortions after viability under certain circumstances. But, as I said, it ain’t happening in D.C. and also there is no “unlimited” abortions in the third tri in D.C. That argument implies that the proverbial girl who can’t fit into her prom dress can get an abortion days before she is about to give birth. That it total hogwash. If anything, to be cynical, if a doctor was even thinking about doing an abortion at that time, they wouldn’t because they know that the antis (and perhaps the health department) is always watching. This is just another way to keep the troops all riled up. These organizations (on both sides) need sexy issues, they need conflict and controversy to pay their salaries and their rent.
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July 23, 2012 at 10:22 am
speaking of paying salaries, Pat, have you ever heard about antis being paid to protest?
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July 23, 2012 at 11:15 am
As far as I know, no pro-lifer is paid for his or her services. But that doesn’t matter a bit to us because we’ve got the best boss in the world and He’s got one heck of a retirement plan!
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July 24, 2012 at 9:01 am
Kate, I’ve never heard of protestors being paid, but who knows? On the other side of the coin, I know some clinic escorts have had lunch provided for them. Is that the same thing as being paid??
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July 24, 2012 at 11:39 am
Yup, I remember Jen taking them all to lunch fourteen years ago. Times have been tough since then though, you know, swimming pool and all. And all she’d have to pay for now is two, FX and Dougie. Kate doesn’t show enough to get the freebie.
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July 23, 2012 at 2:04 pm
They used to be “pre-born humans;” now they’re “incarnates”!!!! The PR machine of the dysfunctional self-help movement churns on….
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July 23, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I was hoping someone would pick that up. That’s why I keep Chuckles around.
I got it from the change in the wording of the Nicene Creed. It used to be “born of the Virgin Mary,” but now it’s “incarnate of.” The change emphasizes the fact that God became flesh at the Incarnation, nine months before the birth.
Chuck’s another who’d be really good if he could forget what he thinks he learned when he took those psychology or whatever classes.(see sentence 2). Boy, college surely does ruin and almost ruin lots of folks. Avoid it if you can.
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July 23, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Let’s call it the Annunciation when God became flesh because most people think Christmas when they hear Incarnation. Here, though, it occurred when the Angel asked Mary if she would do God’s will. When she said yes, the Holy Spirit impregnated her.
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July 23, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Kathleen Rose asked me to post this for her:
“Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin. REAL LOVE involves real hatred: whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the sellers from the temple has also lost a living, fervent love of truth.”
Archbishop Sheen said that many years ago.
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July 23, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Oh, I see. A friend asked me to post this is like Kathleen Rose asked me to post this
“it’s a small world after all, it’s a small, small world”
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July 23, 2012 at 8:23 pm
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July 24, 2012 at 12:18 am
jajajajajajajajaja
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July 24, 2012 at 9:03 am
You guys are losing me…
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July 24, 2012 at 6:30 am
As yes, Archbishop Sheen, another celebrity priest like Fr. Corapi, Fr. Pavone, and Fr Euteneurer. You should be careful not to allow your devotion to your God to be displaced onto any human being. The 21st-century worship of celebrities is the hallmark of a powerful new paganism.
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July 24, 2012 at 8:46 am
Why are you telling me this stuff! Tell my acquaintances who are, ahem, kind of devoted to me.
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July 24, 2012 at 8:55 am
Well, you’ve achieved what all self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” seek: status as a hero.
And with no inconvenient sacrifice to speak of– doing almost all of it on your own schedule, at your own desired level of expenditure of time, money, muscle and brainpower, nor any unwanted child demanding you unstintingly give of your resources.
And you fear Death.
What a classic fit with the theory of aborticentrism!
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July 24, 2012 at 11:30 am
hahahaha love it
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July 24, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Good point responsible . . .
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July 24, 2012 at 9:43 am
The 21st-century worship of celebrities is the hallmark of a powerful new paganism. (from blogginfem )
Does the late Dr. Tiller fit into this description? Just wondering.
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July 24, 2012 at 11:22 am
“this description”?
Did Dr. Tiller worship celebrities?
Was Dr. Tiller a pagan?
Was Dr. Tiller a celebrity?
Did people worship Dr. Tiller?
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July 24, 2012 at 11:27 am
Twist and turn, twist and turn.
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July 24, 2012 at 12:32 pm
It’s good exercise–to twist and turn. Try it.
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July 24, 2012 at 11:37 am
Kate – in YOUR OWN WORDS you lovingly refer to Dr. Tiller as “our beloved Dr. Tiller.!” How soon you forget! Pagan that you are!! hahaha
bloggingfem Says:
July 19, 2012 at 6:02 pm
There are many, many women and men who trusted Dr. George Tiller for his compassion, respect and understanding.
Those who stand outside, those who condemn, are missing one of life’s most tender moments where heartbreak, disappointment and love intersect.
It is only with open hearts and open minds that we can understand the work of our beloved Dr. Tiller.
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July 24, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Religious Fanatics (mostly Christians in the US) have the most bizarre tunnel vision.
It doesn’t allow them to understand much of anything outside the bounds of their cultish belief systems.
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July 24, 2012 at 12:30 pm
But that respect for Dr. Tiller was not worship. Calling Dr. Tiller beloved is not any more worship than calling your husband your beloved.
So sorry you lack the ability to discriminate the nuances of language.
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July 23, 2012 at 6:42 pm
so much propaganda….
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July 23, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Not always, Rog! Sometimes you say good stuff.
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July 24, 2012 at 9:04 am
And I’m still trying to figure out why there are three pictures posted to this article that focus on anti-abortion violence? That’s not what I wrote about folks!
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July 24, 2012 at 11:33 am
They would realize that too if they read. Ideology gets in the way. Remember my saying that ideology trumps everything, even their ability to read?
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July 24, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Like you antis who have the inability to read scientific reports, medical research and scholarly research—ideology gets in your way.
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July 24, 2012 at 1:06 pm
But that respect for Dr. Tiller was not worship. Calling Dr. Tiller beloved is not any more worship than calling your husband your beloved. (blogginflem)
Calling Bishop Fulton Sheen our beloved leader is not any more worship than calling your husband your beloved. You have placed more honor on Dr. Tiller than Catholics have ever done with any well known priests or speakers. Don’t need to twist and turn, you try it yourself. Aw but you already are doing that, you twist the words and turn them around to suit your agenda. You don’t even compare to the Dunk who doesn’t have to boost his titles. You could not walk one mile in his footsteps. So come on sweet thing let’s have it, what is your next move. This is like a chess game as we look to see who has the best move. CHECKMATE
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July 24, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Oh, crap. I thought we were playing “Go Fish”
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July 24, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Kate, your “beloved” Dr. Tiller was responsible for mutilating and dismembering thousands of babies in the most gruesome manner available today (partial birth abortion) and most certainly inflicting emotional turmoil on many of their mothers.
Every day your ‘beloved’ arrived at his office, had his coffee and began using his medical skills for the deadly task of pulling babies out of their mothers and then systematically killing them. Yes, KILLING them.
You see, your ‘beloveds’ days, weeks, months, years consisted of grabbing pre-born infants by their legs and pulling them into the birth canal then delivering the bodies of the children except for their heads because, after all, his task was to KILL the child so naturally you know what happens next. He JAMS SCISSORS INTO THE BABIES SKULLS (just for a minute try and imagine that please) and then he OPENS THE SCISSORS TO ENLARGE THE HOLE so that he can SUCK OUT THE CHILD’S BRAINS causing the SKULL TO COLLAPSE and then removing the DEAD BABY.
Naturally, there are some moms/women (although I pray not many) that I’d place in your category – you know the ones, just like you – that will go to their grave fighting for abortion on demand with no apology that aren’t bothered by such a horrific ‘procedure.’
Anyone who is not even remotely ‘put off’ by such a procedure needs to have a heart transplant. Your beloved wasn’t. It was his livelihood. How he slept at night is beyond me. I hope God had mercy on his soul.
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July 24, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Oh my Lord! Damned I wish they could read.
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July 24, 2012 at 3:45 pm
I’ll look into that, Kate. If I find out it’s true then you’ll know for sure. What the heck’s an algorithm?
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July 24, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Let’s play Go Fish:
Me: Give me all your babies
You: Go Fish
Me: How silly of me, of course you have no babies in your hand
you allowed them all to be aborted.
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July 24, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Hey, what’s the particular algorithm for your statement:
“You have placed more honor on Dr. Tiller than Catholics have ever done with any well known priests or speakers”
Or is it just because you say so?
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July 25, 2012 at 3:30 am
Yo Pat! I need help!
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January 14, 2013 at 8:29 pm
So when are you going to point out that the murderer of Dr. Tiller had no cnenoction with any main stream anti-abortion group?Ian if a fetus is human as you agree, then to kill it is murder.Dolly, as against contraception as I am, here, it’s a truly private matter. But if Planned Parenthood was really about contraception, alone, most people wouldn’t have a problem with Planned Parenthood. If Planned Parenthood offered abortion as a choice alongside of abortion alternatives, there wouldn’t be so much outcry (even from those of us who are against all abortion). What I want to know is how can you support PP’s racism, or their willingness to bend the law? Lawsuits have been filed against Planned Parenthood across the country for failing to report child abuse and statutory rape, and in undercover operations, someone calling Planned Parenthood clinics claiming to be 13 years old and a victim of sexual assault, Planned Parenthood agreed that a crime had been committed and agreed to conceal it.At the very least, Planned Parenthood needs to be reigned in and de-clawed.
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July 25, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Welcome to the club Pat, finally they got around to you. Lovin it.
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July 24, 2012 at 8:05 pm
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July 25, 2012 at 3:32 am
Thanks A+
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July 25, 2012 at 7:39 am
A thought:
One of the destructive forces facing the so-called “pro-life” movement is the notion of the Greater Good. Acts everybody despises are tolerated, permitted and even encouraged when performed for a greater good. Warfare of course is the quintessential example.
In the case of human life, there is a greater good than childbirth– the nurture of a child into a fully human being. It is immoral to bring a child into the world and not pursue its greater good.
In this light, the true “pro-lifers” are the so-called “pro-choicers,” who indeed pledge to raise to adulthood every “unborn human” they want “rescued.”
When we consider the fates of children like Ted Bundy, Theodore Kasczinski or “the Wild Child,” abortion is for a greater good. The so-called “pro-lifers” are simply hung up on the notion of Death.
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July 25, 2012 at 8:28 am
Oi! Here we go again. If you let a man start with a lie, he con conclude anything. Chuck’s lie is this: “It is immoral to bring a child into the world and not pursue its greater good.” The truth is the child is in the world nine months before she’s born and killing her is pursuing her greatest evil.
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July 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Which is the greater good– to have one die or to have 61 die? One might want to ask a Jesuit about this.
Had Ted Bundy’s fetus been aborted, 61 others would have lived.
Yet a self-proclaimed “pro-lifer” would insist it is moral to enforce a pregnancy without a thought as to the nurture of the resulting child.
The focus of the dysfunctional self-help movement known as “pro-life” is not on life, but on Death. The description of a fetus as a child is just part of its public relations gimmickry.
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July 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Glad RESPONSIBLE Right to Life/Chuck was not aborted. Look at all the hilarious comments we would be missing. Glad your Mom chose life Chuck. KUDOS to Chuck’s Mom.
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July 26, 2012 at 8:18 am
Answer the question, Kathleen Rose: Which is the greater good: that one die and 61 live, or one live and 61 die? Pretend you’re a Jesuit; you should be able to come up with a good answer.
Had someone nurtured Ted Bundy, it could have been 62 living, but there was no so-called “pro-lifer” there for him…
By the way, I have always believed that had I been aborted, a) it would have made no difference to me, and b) my parents would have had more resources and assets available to raise their other ten children. On this blog, I am the advocate for those who wish they’d never been born.
“Why, this is Hell, nor am I out of it.”
–Mephistopheles’ response to Faust’s request to show him Hell
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July 27, 2012 at 4:48 am
Another Chuckles’ virtue — he’s honest about his sickness. Would that the legion like him would be so honest.
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July 27, 2012 at 6:57 am
Having checked his Jesuit source on the question of whether it is better to have one die and sixty-one live or 1 live and sixty-one die, Mr. Dunkle finds that the authoritative Catholic response is contrary to his beliefs; consequently, he refuses to answer the question.
This is another example of how the dysfunctional self-help program which calls itself “pro-life” has to deny all contrary evidence, even that which might be theologically valid.
Meanwhile, we all wait upon Kathleen Rose’s answer. . .
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July 27, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Common Chuck. Your question is stupid. You gotta spell it out. I mean, suppose the sixty-one die naturally and the one is murdered?
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July 30, 2012 at 11:23 am
As a dodger, you’re not artful, Mr. Dunkle….. You daren’t answer it.
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July 27, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Sorry Chuck busy down on the farm. You know the drill. Carry on and I will catch up to you later after the animals are sheltered and feed and the grandkids are taken care of. Seems you are at the bottom of the heap as far as things to be taken care of. The drought has taken a toll on everything and the work is getting harder. Lots of mouths depend on us as I come from a family of 8. Since you come from a large family also you know what I am talking about.
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July 30, 2012 at 11:19 am
How many children are you now raising, Kathleen Rose? And how many of them don’t you want to raise?
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July 25, 2012 at 10:14 am
Dear Optimist, Pessimist and Realist,
While you were busy arguing about the glass of water, I drank it.
Thanks,
The Opportunist
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July 25, 2012 at 2:24 pm
You forgot me, the Hallmark Card.
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July 25, 2012 at 11:53 am
I can’t “reply” to some individual posts, so… As for you needing help, John, you’re on your own 🙂 As for the person who said that Doctor Tiller performed the so-called “partial birth abortion,” that it totally incorrect. And this is the problem with this debate. When I learned about the PBA, I immediately called George Tiller because I wanted to get a sense of how many doctors actually performed that procedure. George told me he didn’t perform it. He would have had no reason to lie to me. And now, some anti abortion person just puts it out there. If I am wrong about this, my friend, PROVE IT….aullygnred
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July 25, 2012 at 11:54 am
and please ignore that last “aullygnred”. My fingers move to fast when I’m angry….
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July 25, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Pat,
I was flabbergasted at the PBA spin. Those who resort to gruesome lies are, no doubt, desperate. Or perhaps they have wild imaginations.
Read the stories of the women who have been clients of Dr. Tiller. They have nothing but praise for his compassion and expertise. These women held their infants in their arms, gave them names, photographed them, and buried them with a funeral service–body intact.
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July 25, 2012 at 12:56 pm
It do get gruesomer and gruesomer.
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July 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Oh my gosh, that last sentence really made me cringe bf. I can’t imagine what you are saying really happens.
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July 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm
And they probably got a foot print, snippet of hair, and a glossy 8 x 10 for the photo album. Sick, sick, sick.
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July 25, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Women, all over the world, have had wanted pregnancies but have experienced tragedies where the fetus had a severe anomaly (anencephalic), had died in utero, had threatened the life of the woman and on and on. These women sought the good Dr. Tiller to end a pregnancy. They wrestled with the very grueling decision, anguished about the prognosis for either the woman or the fetus. Their decisions were made with concerns for suffering, for the grave ethical and moral considerations anyone would give when faced with such a tragic situation. For anyone who makes uninformed, snide comments about Dr. Tiller, I can only hope that they will not be faced with the extremely difficult decisions these women made. I can only hope that there will be a compassionate doctor left in this world to take care of their daughter, their sister, or the granddaughter.
Let’s face it: Dr. Tiller was a man who has been completely dehumanized by the fanatical religious right anti choices to the point that his murder is something to celebrate (much like the Nazis celebrated the death of the Jews). Sick, sick, sick.
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July 25, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Dr. Tiller Remembrance #1
There are many stereotypes and misconceptions about the care Dr. Tiller provided. The later abortion care he offered was for women who had very poor fetal prognosis, babies with anomalies. Saying these babies were viable is misleading. Most of the later procedures were done for babies with illnesses that were not conducive to life. The few infants that would have survived delivery would have had drastically shortened lives filled with numerous surgeries and endless suffering. The week I had my procedure there was a woman whose baby had its internal organs developed outside of its body. Another woman’s baby had no brain. There was never any hope for those babies—there was no miracle that would have saved them. I was forced to make an agonizing choice for a baby my husband and I wanted and loved very much. This was NOT a form of birth control. I chose the lesser of the evils and did what any loving parent should—eased the suffering of an innocent baby. Forcing my baby to live would have been cruel. That was a deeply personal decision and one I will gladly sort out with my maker in the hereafter. I would gladly offer my soul to protect my child. I do not take pride in what I was forced to do but I carry no shame. In a perfect world my baby would have come home to a family that wanted them very much. It was not a situation I took lightly. I will also mourn this loss the remainder of my life.
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July 25, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Dr. Tiller Remembrance #2
The week we spent in Kansas was one of the toughest weeks of my life, one that I will never forget, nor will I choose to forget, but through my tears of sadness, love helped us through.
We returned home just two days ago, and the pain is ever so fresh, and the memories vivid. A piece of me doesn’t want the pain to ever go away because it is one way for me to stay connected to my son. My beautiful, angelic son, Nathan Jack. Seeing him was one of the hardest things I have ever done, not being able to watch him grow up, or call me “Mommy” is something I will always grieve over, but knowing that we protected and saved him from an existence of hospital stays was our responsibility as loving parents.
We are forever grateful to the Women’s Health Center, the amazing doctor and all staff for being our heaven when we were living in hell.
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July 25, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Dr. Tiller Remembrance #3
The week we spent in Kansas was one of the toughest weeks of my life, one that I will never forget, nor will I choose to forget, but through my tears of sadness, love helped us through.
We returned home just two days ago, and the pain is ever so fresh, and the memories vivid. A piece of me doesn’t want the pain to ever go away because it is one way for me to stay connected to my son. My beautiful, angelic son, Nathan Jack. Seeing him was one of the hardest things I have ever done, not being able to watch him grow up, or call me “Mommy” is something I will always grieve over, but knowing that we protected and saved him from an existence of hospital stays was our responsibility as loving parents.
We are forever grateful to the Women’s Health Center, the amazing doctor and all staff for being our heaven when we were living in hell.
I was almost 26 weeks. I showed up for my ultrasound by myself. I was scanned for almost 2 hours. This is when my life forever changed. The scan showed that her little brain was severely calcified, parts were not symmetrical and there was fluid. The doctor took me into a room to talk to me. I told her “please just tell me the truth I need to know.” The Doctor said that she had no idea what this meant but that she felt something was terribly wrong. Within two weeks her brain had gone from “normal” to massive problems. I was sent up to Genetics. The counselor told me that the genetic doctor wanted to talk to me. I requested that they wait until my husband got there. The conversation with this doctor was the same, she felt that something was terribly wrong, but they had no idea what it was. “This looks like the tip of the iceberg” we were told.
The hardest thing I’ve ever had to do in my life was to decide to terminate this pregnancy. This all happened on a Wednesday.
Friday we had to go and talk with some perinatologists. They told us that they had never seen this before and that they could not tell us what the outcome would be. We did not even get a percentage of what her life would be like. They told us that she possibly could die in utero, die shortly after birth, or be a vegetable. They told us that we could wait another two weeks and have another scan and possibly an MRI. How could I go on another day? It killed me to feel her move around inside. This was so awful.
We had another appointment with the doctor that performed the terminations. We were told that with my conditions and the lateness of the pregnancy he did not feel he could give me the care that I required. That’s when we were referred to the Women’s Clinic in Wichita, Kansas.
I was 27 weeks by this point. I was terrified. The moment I met the doctor, all of that ended. He was a wonderful and loving man. I came in on Monday and gave birth to our baby girl on Friday. We were able to hold her after, and say our goodbyes. That doctor will always be in my heart.
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July 26, 2012 at 11:33 am
While the above stories are emotional and heart wrenching, your ‘beloved’ Tiller played God in each abortion. Please note that he also performed abortions on MANY women that were carrying healthy late-term babies that complained of ‘psychological’ difficulties if they carried to term as well as being responsible for the death of Christin Gilbert, a 19-year-old woman with Down Syndrome from Keller, Texas who was 28 weeks pregnant. She died in January 2005 after a multi-day abortion procedure performed at Tiller’s facility.
He was also a very rich man as a result of his exorbitant fees charged for the ‘compassionate killing’ he did — oopsy — I guess you libs would prefer to desensitize the real word (killing) and gloss it over with ‘termination.’ Imagine it makes you feel better to do that and that way you can look at yourself in the mirror and not feel guilty because deep down in the recesses of your hearts you’ve just got to know what he did was truly reprehensible. .
So much for your beloved. By the way why do you say that Tiller never did a partial birth abortion? Is it because it’s so horrific even for you hardened lefties to imagine your beloved jamming scissors into an infant’s head and sucking it’s brains out? Perhaps there’s some serious denial going on.
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July 27, 2012 at 4:54 am
Kate, Your Friend here should shatter the glass, anti-truth bubble surrounding you. He or she won’t though; it’s that ideology thing.
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July 27, 2012 at 6:52 am
Your Friend, one woman who quite openly complained of “psychological” difficulties and was denied abortion– by her husband, her pastor and her congregation– was Andrea Yates. She resolved her difficulties by drowning all five of her boys in a bathtub.
You really should be more informed before settling into a mode of thinking: there are millions of children who are suffering and who are at extreme risk because of their mother’s “psychological difficulties.” Too bad you never had a chance to visit The Baby Store page of the aborticentrism site before it vanished. It would have opened your eyes to what your misfounded belief actually supports.
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July 26, 2012 at 10:45 am
The false sympathy these killers’ helpers bestow upon themselves and towards their victims, #’s 13, 14, & 15, is nauseating when you think about it. Killers’ helpers, though, rarely think.
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July 26, 2012 at 10:47 am
What’s that cliche — the flip side of compassion is cruelty?
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July 27, 2012 at 7:14 am
Your Friend wrote: While the above stories are emotional and heart wrenching, your ‘beloved’ Tiller played God in each abortion.
Translation: Yeah, but, emotional and heart wrenching don’t matter. I don’t care.
Your Friend wrote: Please note that he also performed abortions on MANY women that were carrying healthy late-term babies that complained of ‘psychological’ difficulties if they carried to term
Translation: I don’t care about psychological problems. In fact, psychological problems are not a good enough reason.
Your Friend wrote: [Tiller was] responsible for the death of Christin Gilbert, a 19-year-old woman with Down Syndrome from Keller, Texas who was 28 weeks pregnant.
Translation: It’s all I got so here goes. I’ll drag out the Gilbert story [again].
Your Friend wrote: He was also a very rich man as a result of his exorbitant fees charged for the ‘compassionate killing’ he did
Translation: I’m insanely jealous of anyone who has more money than I do.
Your Friend wrote: Imagine it makes you feel better to do that and that way you can look at yourself in the mirror and not feel guilty because deep down in the recesses of your hearts you’ve just got to know what he did was truly reprehensible.
Translation: I’m trying damn hard to make you feel guilty, feel bad about yourself because that’s what I feel about myself.
Your Friend wrote: By the way why do you say that Tiller never did a partial birth abortion?
Translation: I want to say Tiller did PBA regardless of the facts. It just makes him seem worse.
Post Script
When you break down the components of the latest offering from ‘Your Friend’ you can detect an enormous amount of ghoulish imagination dredged up from the prolife industry’s halls of shame. Facts are damned. You can also read between the lines that this writer is immersed in phantasms of babies (not fetuses) being killed for frivolous reasons. It’s obvious to any informed reader, that ‘Your Friend’ is wholly ignorant of the grim realities that pregnant women face, wholly unsympathetic to the terrors, physical or emotional, that women encounter. For ‘Your Friend’, it’s better to rely on the prolife propaganda for information. No need to see first hand the truth.
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July 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Responding to your above translations you are sadly misguided on every single count. In the interest of time, however, I’ll just point out the glaring atrocity that is utterly abhorrent in your translation.
Your Friend wrote: [Tiller was] responsible for the death of Christin Gilbert, a 19-year-old woman with Down Syndrome from Keller, Texas who was 28 weeks pregnant.
Translation: It’s all I got so here goes. I’ll drag out the Gilbert story [again].
MY RESPONSE: Oh dear Lord, REALLY??? It’s all I got so here goes. i’ll drag out the Gilbert story (again)??? Kate, dear. A young girl is dead and your response is ‘that’s all I got?” How heartless ARE you?. How utterly callous! Such blatant disregard for life. Your true colors are showing in that cold remark. You say you care about all women but do you really?? No, Kate you don’t. You care about the ones that think like you do – have the same ideology and the agenda of abortion on demand – no apology, any time, any reason – no reason. Oh yes, those women’s lives have value to you but what of a little 19 year old with Down Syndrome? Any value there Kate or are you truly of the mindset “that’s all you got?” Surely not for my sake – but for your own, please think about what you said. I am hoping that perhaps you will reconsider them and post a heartfelt retraction.
And Kate, please, really think about it. Even the women who are post abortive and have remorse for what they’ve done you dismiss with a wave of your pen in the most heinous way. They are women too and are entitled to feel the way they do yet you bash them as well.
Finally I could gently correct you as to the other errors in your translations but suffice it to say I don’t give a damn what you think (although it is kind’ve fun getting your goat.) I answer to a higher boss than you.
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July 27, 2012 at 3:01 pm
You, ‘gently correct’ my errors is hilarious! You’re as gentle as a bull in the proverbial china closet. As for a heartfelt retraction, I’d have to ask “For what?”
Also hilarious is your feigned indifference to what I write. If you were so indifferent, if you ‘don’t give a damn’ then why keep posting?
The truly sad issue at hand is your obvious inability to follow lines of conversation, to get the gist of a post. Instead, you zero in one thing and use it to make a straw man argument, and in the process of desperation, show your own logical fallacies then drop in the grisly–just for that added touch.
FACE IT ‘Friend’ in one post, in which you were all over the place, you wrote about Dr. Tiller playing God, healthy late term babies being killed, woman with Downs killed, Tiller making money, judging me about my perspectives and then polished off the piece with a sci-fi gore and goo alongside a political snipe.
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July 27, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Post Script
**glaring atrocity that is utterly abhorrent [using your thesaurus again?]
**kind’ve [no such contraction. consider a dictionary]
** getting your goat [don’t own a goat for you to get. so sorry]
**Translation: It’s all I got so here goes. I’ll drag out the Gilbert story [again]. [here’s where reading comprehension helps. this translation is what you said, what you thought. It’s a parody on your ideology. DUH]
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July 27, 2012 at 7:26 pm
When Kate gets cornered, she talks and talks and talks and talks . . . .
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July 27, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Oh, look who’s talking, Sir Spamalot
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July 28, 2012 at 3:59 am
What is this? SPAMMING used to mean copying and now it means talking a lot? Will you young folks get your acts together!
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July 27, 2012 at 7:43 pm
I’ll reiterate: You blatantly disrespect Christin Gilbert’s life (as you do other women suffering from post abortive syndrome) with your insensitive comment(s). Apparently in your eyes II gather from the gist of your cruel statement) that a woman with Downs Syndrome you hold in no regard as though her life doesn’t matter. What if she had been one of YOUR daughters?
How sad it must be for you Kate – to go through life with a hardened heart such as yours. Sad indeed.
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July 27, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Again, the truly sad issue at hand is your obvious inability to follow lines of conversation, to get the gist of a post. But you keep up the long saga of your Gilbert vigil. And while you’re add it, why not keep a vigil for all the women who died before Roe? Why not keep a vigil for the children who were killed by their post partum psychotic mothers? Why not keep a vigil for the women who wanted a healthy child but were given a fetus with no brain, with internal organs growing outside the body, with conjoined twins, or with a child who suddenly died in utero? Why not weep over the women who carried a child as long as they could but developed eclampsia that was so severe that the fetus died and the mother nearly died? Or why not mourn over the millions of children who have been born but who are neglected, who are hungry, who are homeless, or who are abused?
Why? I’m not sure why. But I’m betting it’s because you’re a lazy prolifer who finds it far easier to lament something you cannot control, will not control, and, frankly, can only offer cheap talk. Isn’t that what you do best?
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July 28, 2012 at 4:01 am
talk, talk, talk, talk, talk . . .
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July 28, 2012 at 7:03 am
Again you’re so wrong Kate. I weep for them all. I forget none of them – the difference is – I also weep for the unborn who never get the chance to live – who’s mother’s don’t trust in God enough to follow His plan for the child. Believe it or not, there are lots of graces He would love to give to parents who would just trust in Him.
The percentage of women getting abortions for NO reason other than they just don’t want to be mothers I imagine would rival all of the above statistics you’ve posted.
Why do all of your posts either contain or end with derogatory slams as in this instance “lazy prolifer’? Why do you suppose to assume such a derogatory remark about me? Frankly I was hoping you were above the fray.
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July 29, 2012 at 4:20 am
People have a hard time letting go of their suffering. Out of a fear of the unknown, they prefer suffering that is familiar.
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July 29, 2012 at 9:04 am
psychology 203, or is that 302
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July 27, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Boo hoo
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July 28, 2012 at 11:11 am
Your Friend Says:
Again you’re so wrong Kate.
**Response** Like I said, cheap talk. Wring your hands and weep. In fact, throw in a prayer or two if it makes you feel better. And while you’re at it, why not fall down on your knees and wail, gnash your teeth and cry out, for all the good it will do?
The fact remains that you cannot control what women do or believe. Many women do believe in God. It’s just not the way you believe. Many women don’t buy the “God has a plan for you” motto. That’s just branding for the church industries, branding that you have embraced, obviously. In fact, many women know that they are entitled to blaze their own trails, make their life what they want it to be and do so with the belief that God is in their life.
As for women who have abortions because they don’t want to be mothers, hoorah that they know themselves well enough to do what is right for them. Hoorah that they exercise their agency and freedom and not be dragged down by the patriarchy. Hoorah that they aren’t brainwashed by misogynistic men and women who criticize women who choose to do what is best for them.
Your Friend Says:
Why do all of your posts either contain or end with derogatory slams as in this instance “lazy prolifer’? Why do you suppose to assume such a derogatory remark about me?
**Response** Because you choose to use a pseudonym, I cannot know who you are. I do know you to be full of judgment despite all your God talk, all your ‘trust God’ rhetoric. Well, if you trusted God, you’d sign off this web site and let god take care of me. But you don’t trust God. You play God with all your moralizing. You condemn Dr. Tiller for playing God and yet you do the same damn thing. Don’t like the lazy remark? How about hypocrite? That’s probably more accurate.
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July 28, 2012 at 1:12 pm
their lives
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July 29, 2012 at 7:54 am
“Your Friend,” do you know that you luxuriate in agonizing over your “unborn”? You come across as delighting in the agony of worrying about them, without going through the trouble of actually nurturing any unwanted child toward a fulfilling adulthood. This is a very self-serving attitude.
Don’t feel bad about it, just accept that it’s the way your are. I used to indulge my own emotional needs by hating Communists…
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July 29, 2012 at 9:03 am
Now you indulge your emotional needs by hating your father, son, siblings, and all like them.
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July 29, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Can you rephrase that?
I mean really dunkle he said a lot to you.
Even if you take that as insulting as it sounds, you dont see any other aspects of life you can put your effort toward?
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July 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Smitty, you gotta send me this stuff first on the QT so I can make some sense out of it. Then post it.
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