In early 1991, just months after the formation of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, I hopped in a car and drove around the Midwest visiting clinics to get educated on the provision of abortion services. One of my first stops was at a clinic in Arkansas.
I had a good initial meeting with the physician (who offered me a joint that he had been keeping in his desk drawer), then I met with the administrator for about two hours to discuss how clinics are run. Very educational. At one point, we started talking about the reasons why women have abortions and I mentioned how I’d love to meet a woman who was going to have an abortion. The administrator responded “well, that shouldn’t be a problem. You need to talk to Gloria.”
I learned that Gloria was in for her 6th abortion. I couldn’t believe it and my initial reaction was that I needed to know why this was happening because, if I was going to represent abortion providers on Capitol Hill, I needed to know how to respond to charges of women “abusing” abortion. The administrator left the room to ask Gloria if she was willing to talk to me and she came back within a minute and said that Gloria would “love” to talk to me.
Gloria was in her mid-thirties. She was what my father would call “a sassy broad.” She was very confident, had a bee-hive hairdo and, from the crusty tone of her voice, a heavy smoker. She was chewing gum as we spoke. Probably worked as a waitress at the local diner. You get the picture..
I told her that I was just hired to fight for abortion rights, which she appreciated, then I told her I needed to know why she was at the clinic for her sixth abortion.
“Well,’ she said, “the first time the condom broke. The next time my boyfriend said he didn’t want to use a condom and threatened to beat me if I insisted on using one. The third time, I had gone on new birth control pills and there was some problem with them, don’t remember the details. The fourth time, I was raped by two truckers outside of the Rusty Skillet café in Little Rock. The fifth time. Geez, I can’t remember what happened the fifth time. Then this time I was just playing Lady’s Luck.”
“What is Lady’s Luck?” I asked.
“Well, I was not on birth control, didn’t want to use a condom so I just kept my fingers crossed and hoped that I had good luck. I actually should have just kept my legs crossed, huh?”
During her story, she kept cracking her gum and when she was done she looked at me coldly and said “Any more questions?”
I asked how she felt at that moment, knowing she’d be going in for anotherabortion in about 30 minutes. She said she felt fine. “I’ve been through this before, I know what to expect.” She was a rock, ready to get on with her life. Then, to my surprise, she asked me if I wanted to go in with her to the surgery room. I said yes.
We walked in and the nurse put her on the table and started prepping her. Then the doctor came in and said a few words to her before he got started. Gloria looked at me and then reached her hand out to me. I grabbed it and she squeezed. I then saw the doctor insert a tube into her and heard a vacuum-like sound. I looked at Gloria and she had tears in her eyes. I asked if she was okay and she said “I am such a loser. I have got to get my act together.” I started to well up myself. The nurse asked if she wanted to proceed and Gloria said “let’s do it” and the process was complete within minutes.
Later, in the recovery room Gloria was her old feisty, gum cracking self, ready to go out to her cold harsh world and kick some ass. She hugged me as she was leaving and said “thanks for being there.”
When she left, the nurse came over to me and said “she cries all the time. We always ask her if she really wants to do this and she always tells us yes.”
Thanks for the education, Gloria, you sassy ole broad….




November 15, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Wow! What a story, again!
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November 15, 2010 at 5:03 pm
What do you mean, again???
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November 16, 2010 at 4:38 am
This is about the tenth powerful story Pat’s told.
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November 16, 2010 at 12:14 pm
I count eleven, John…..
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November 15, 2010 at 5:03 pm
I am pro choice but this story is just plain scary. People just abuse certain rights!!!!!!!!!
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November 15, 2010 at 5:28 pm
So, Melissa, are you insinuating that the frequency of abortions should be bounded by some number? Like one or two is OK, three or four is absurd and five or six is downright abusive? And when you state that people just abuse certain rights, especially when we are talking about legal health care, what rights are being abused? Are you squeemish with Gloria’s cavalier attitude or are you prudish about her open sexuality? Or is it something else? And what is scary about this story?
I have difficulty comprehending the implications that rights are being abused. I mean if we’re talking about freedom of speech rights, do the protesters at abortion clinics deserve the same sentiment, something like “those protesters just abuse certain rights”? Or when the religious zealots proselytize on the streets, even though it’s really annoying to hear “in the name of Jesus don’t kill your child” or “God is offended by abortion”, should we just tell them “you’re abusing your religious rights”?
I’m not trying to be sarcastic here. I would genuinely like a bit of reflection about your post, if you please.
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November 16, 2010 at 10:32 am
Yesssss. Are you kidding me?
You have to acknowledge that it is just absurd that a person is so careless that she lets herself get pregnant six times and does nothing about it.
After the first you would think a person would take better care of themselves and the fact that she cried when having them done shows that deep down she knows how damaging that is.
You can not tell me that she has no regrets because I ain’t buying it. And I dare you to be honest with yourself and tell me that you don’t see anything wrong with that.
And please don’t tag me as a person who is prude, I don’t care about her sexual life or how many partner she had. And cavalier attitude, you went to far there buddy.
I am pro choice but at some time or another you have to know that you are killing something that is part of you. Abortion is killing no matter what way you look at it.
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November 16, 2010 at 12:03 pm
I don’t agree with your assessment about absurdity because buried in that statement is a load of judgment. Further, there is absolutely no way you can say with any certainty that Gloria knew deep down what she was doing was damaging. You are not able to get inside her mind but are, instead, projecting your own thoughts, perhaps.
I would rather avoid making moralistic judgments about her and trust that she knew what was best for her.
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November 16, 2010 at 12:18 pm
As a pro-choicer, I have to admit that I cringed (and still cringe) when I hear about people getting 7, 8 9 abortions. but then I have to sit back and reflect on each circumstance. Remember, also, that Gloria did not “choose” in at least two of those occasions. And kate is right, where exactly do you draw the line? In NY, there is a large Russian population and woman get 10,11 or more abortions because abortion is the only form of birth control in Russia. That is what they were taught. I cringe at the thought, but….
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November 16, 2010 at 2:25 pm
I am not projecting my own thoughts, I got that from what Pat wrote:…I looked at Gloria and she had tears in her eyes. I asked if she was okay and she said “I am such a loser. I have got to get my act together.” and if that is not a clear picture of someone who fews damaged I don’t know what is.
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November 18, 2010 at 4:47 pm
So, Melissa, you going to help her raise the baby she will have because she felt she should oblige you and not have abortion #7? Would you trust her to raise your child for six months? Wold you trust her as a babysitter for an evening?
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November 15, 2010 at 5:19 pm
What do you mean “abuse certain rights?” I wasn’t aware there was a limit on how many times I could choose to do what I wish with my own organs.
So how many abortions am I allowed to have?
How many children am I allowed to have?
What if I hit my limit on both?
How many partners?
About how many times a week am I allowed to use my organs?
Oh, that’s right. I decide that myself. It’s my right and it’s infinite.
But way to go everyone on completely missing the point of this whole story.
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November 16, 2010 at 12:18 pm
You’re absolutely correct, Julie…..
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November 15, 2010 at 6:10 pm
I wish abortion was legal everywhere.
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November 15, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Why are people talking about having a right to abort? It’s not about having a right it is taking a life of some one is so innocent and naive,which could be the president in the future who to tell. For God sake stop!!!
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November 15, 2010 at 8:24 pm
No, YOU stop. Other people’s uteruses are NOT your business to dictate.
Abortion isn’t taking someone’s life as it is refusing to sustain something’s life. Never-mind for a moment that a fetus is not a person and is only oblivious tissue and is therefore only innocent in that it can’t possibly do anything (much like my desk is innocent,)no one is ever obligated to be life support for anyone or anything else.
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November 16, 2010 at 12:20 pm
but, Julie, at some point it is not “only oblivious tissue.” Abortions are performed at 20 weeks and more. That ain’t tissue we’re talking about.
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November 16, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Was she at that point? The story doesn’t actually say, but I severely doubt it.
Only about 1-2% of all abortions are carried out past 20 weeks – and those are mostly for extreme circumstances.
The vast majority are carried out within 12, at which time I’m more than happy to refer to a fetus as “only oblivious tissue,” because that’s what it is.
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November 16, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Wasn’t talking about Gloria, just saying that pro-choicers need to address the issue of later abortions, even though they are a small percentage. And from 20-24 weeks, those abortions do not have to be for “extreme circumstances.” They are performed no questions asked. And I’ve seen a “twenty two weeker”, as they say, and you cannot call is “tissue.”
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November 16, 2010 at 6:09 pm
We were addressing this story, which wasn’t about later abortions. It was about abortion in general. My comment was accurate for abortion in general. It may not seem nice, but carries no pejorative intention. A fetus is tissue. I’m tissue too, but I’m sentient, which is something I require to be an “I” (but never-mind that.) I stand by what I said.
I said “extreme circumstance” not necessarily medical emergency. No one carries a pregnancy that long just to terminate for shits and giggles. All that does is prolong the hardship, make the procedures less easily accessible, more invasive, and more expensive. There are a multitude of extreme circumstances, which many of us will never know or understand, that cause an extreme minority of women to terminate that late, the most common among these is failure to recognize a pregnancy or misjudging the gestational age. The second most common is an inability to make arrangements – something especially difficult for low-income women, rural women, women with children or inflexible jobs especially in areas with waiting periods. I’d consider those pretty extreme circumstance. I trust women.
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November 18, 2010 at 4:51 pm
So, Shawn, how many babies of women like her have you already adopted? If you so-called “pro-lifers” would only adopt four children apiece every year, there’d be a marked reduction in abortions. And it wouldn’t hurt if you would campaign for free ob care, excellent K-12 education and a college education for each unwillingly pregnant woman and the child you want “rescued.” Let me know when you get rolling with that campaign.
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November 15, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Met many Glorias in my life.Many.In some countries abortion is just like regular little simple procedure.Women coming in and going out.It isn’t a big deal at all.It is because attitude about it in society.
Not all the females there aren’t ass kickers in their cold harsh world and reasons are just different.Most ladies aren’t like that but like I said that attitude in society.And not always males aren’t who don’t like condoms.Also some ladies.And if you get pregnant you just go in and then out again.Like it isn’t problem at all.
Now about person like Gloria who’s kicking some asses in her cold harsh world.How good mother she would be???I don’t know but I’m little sceptical about her motherhood.Maybe Im wrong about her but there are many of them who shouldn’t be mother.Her kids seeing from the beginning nothing else than this cold harsh world.And very often those kids also getting taste of this life.
Sorry I don’t mean that all the ladies who’s going to do abortion are like that.But like he said about Gloria:”You get the picture!”
I cant agree at all with pro-lifers.Children in this kind a families are like drag for their mothers.Females who used to live in their ass kicking cold harsh world aren’t always best moms.
Keep people under the control and make them use birth control is not going to work.People always going to live how they wand if it concern their personal lives.
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November 16, 2010 at 12:22 pm
You make a great point. Anti-abortion people would make this woman have the babies. I can tell you, having met her, she was not ready to become a mother. Why do anti-abortion folks just want to punish the woman for making a “mistake?”
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November 16, 2010 at 4:51 pm
I don’t want to punish her for making a mistake; she’s done that herself. I want to jail her for making a much more horrible mistake — torturing someone to death.
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November 16, 2010 at 5:32 pm
So you want to jail her for something she hasn’t even done? Barking mad.
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November 16, 2010 at 5:40 pm
John, do you really think that an eight week fetus that is sucked out of the womb is being “tortured”?
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November 17, 2010 at 12:54 pm
yes
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November 18, 2010 at 7:18 am
Then I’m sad to see that you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about at all.
You know what’s really torture? FORCED PREGNANCY! Or do you even pretend to care about the suffering women have to endure to make you, random guy, happy?
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November 16, 2010 at 1:40 pm
I personally would not want to use abortion as my form of birth control. But other forms of birth control do fail. I don’t care if yu use a IUD, the pill or a condom. Every form of birth control has its share of failures. A woman has the right to choose no matter how many times she has to go through an abortion. We also have to have some form of education so abortion is not the form of birth control that a woman uses. It is a back up plan. We need sex education starting very early for both male & female children. It can not be left up to the parents, too many parents are failing their children in this aspect of education.
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November 16, 2010 at 5:38 pm
It all does come down to education for the most part but, as you said, even the most educated person can be subject to failed birth control. Thanks for chiming in!
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February 10, 2014 at 6:41 am
Superior thinking deantsormted above. Thanks!
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November 16, 2010 at 2:52 pm
poor gloria.
even some choicers define her character by the abortions.
it doesn’t seem that she has anyone in her life that is stable and will stand with her through her trials.
but she is no less a person than any one of us.
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November 16, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Welcome back, Rogie. YOu are correct. She did not have anyone in her life. I could tell she liked to have a good time and some would judge her for that. But should we hold that against her?
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November 17, 2010 at 1:19 am
there are worse things than liking to have a good time.
i think gloria still matters.
i have met a lot of women who had no partner or close friend with them when they go to the clinic.
i have driven my share of them home because they were in no condition to drive.
no matter what i think of abortion, they still matter.
gloria’s life could have been so different if she had had somebody in her life that she knew loved her and believed in her.
good times could have taken on a new meaning.
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November 17, 2010 at 5:39 am
“i have met a lot of women who had no partner or close friend with them when they go to the clinic. i have driven my share of them home because they were in no condition to drive.”
This has me thinking, Rog. It’s the third or fourth time you’ve mentioned it, and it’s starting to hit home. At least one prolifer should be there when the emptied women leave, just in case. I’ll let you know what happens.
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November 18, 2010 at 7:15 am
The difference is {Dunkle} that “Rogie” does this because he {I think} seems to be a caring person…NOT someone looking for “another angle” to try and close the clinic!!! Believe me the women would NOT get in the car with you “Dunkle”…So “forget about it”…”Rogie” strikes me as a genuinely caring person that just happens to be “lifer”…Why does Gloria having “10” abortions seem to bother some of you and NOT bother others??? If you think that abortion is OK…then the number should NOT matter…But if it does bother you than I suggest…the BEST thing for you to do is be sure that YOU don’t end up having “10” abortions…Other than that..it really isn’t ANY of your business is it???
If you have NEVER been in the position of being faced with an unplanned/unwanted pregnancy then you can NOT even begin to understand what goes into her decision making process!! If you have NOT lived the type of life “Gloria” has had to live.. than you can NOT possibly understand the decisions that she has had to make..just to survive!! So please DON’T judge her..try to help the women like her!! I think that WJWD don’t you???
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November 18, 2010 at 9:27 am
Believe me the women would NOT get in the car with you “Dunkle”…So “forget about it”
Why not? I’m kinda cute.
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November 18, 2010 at 10:42 am
john, with all due respect, i would never get in a car with you either.
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November 18, 2010 at 11:51 am
NO matter how well intentioned, I think the last thing a woman who just had an abortion would want is for some stranger to come up to her and offer her a ride. Sure, you might get some young, vulnerable girl to go for it but…just leave then the hell alone guys. They’ve been through enough. You ain’t gonna make anything any easier for them. I really do think this is all a form of mental masturbation for you GUYS.
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November 18, 2010 at 8:09 pm
once again, thank you for your insights on this topic, patty.
i will be sure to give them some thought.
to be frank, i will have to think harder about the mental masturbation part and what my gender has to do with the matter.
but as i said on the other thread, i will give it some thought. 🙂
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November 17, 2010 at 11:00 am
It is very sad to me that people are thinking that I am judging her and that I think she does not matter.
I just think that we should learn from our mistakes and an unwanted pregnancy is definitely a mistake. After you had the first one don’t you want to take better care of yourself?
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November 18, 2010 at 12:32 am
two of her unwanted pregnancies were failed birth control, one was a rape and another was basically rape because her bf threatened to beat her if she tried to get him to use one.
i never said that you think she doesn’t matter. only you can determine whether or not you think she does.
but you did give the impression that you were judging her, yes.
but you’re not alone in that. as a lifer, i know that many other lifers judge the women who abort and not the act.
i just think that it is best to judge the act and not the person.
it’s really easy to say what she should do until we have walked in her shoes. we don’t know what her cold hard world entailed.
i don’t have to approve of her abortions to understand that, and neither does anyone else.
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November 18, 2010 at 11:53 am
Frankly, I think it is just human nature to “judge” someone like this. My initial reaction when I heard about Gloria being there for the 6th time was, frankly, disgust. I immediately judged her. And that’s why I felt I needed to talk to her, to put myself in her shoes. We all should do the same thing – no matter what the issue.
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November 18, 2010 at 8:10 pm
i just felt sorry for her.
i got the impression that lorraine and kate felt that way as well.
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November 17, 2010 at 11:31 am
Torture is any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person. An 8-wk fetus has no ability to feel pain or to comprehend pain because the central nervous system has not developed sufficiently. Therefore, there is no way that intelligent people can say that a non-sentient 8-wk fetus sucked out of the womb is being tortured. Kate
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November 17, 2010 at 11:54 am
Kate, when does the fetus has the capability of feeling something?
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November 17, 2010 at 3:24 pm
To begin, there’s a crucial distinction between reflex responses and actual pain. Prior to around 28 wks, the fetus may respond to touch the way a plant responds to light but does not perceive pain until around the 7th month/28 wks. There is some research that claims that 20 wks is the point where it can feel pain.
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November 18, 2010 at 12:42 am
there was a study this past summer by the royal college of obstetricians and gynecologists that says that a fetus can’t feel pain until 24 weeks.
http://www.rcog.org.uk/fetal-awareness-review-research-and-recommendations-practice
but my daughter was born at about 21 1/2 weeks and was in a great deal of pain because of withdrawal. so my own opinion is that it can start sooner, but i don’t know how much sooner, or if it is different with a premie than it is with a baby yet to be born.
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November 18, 2010 at 11:54 am
How do you know, Rogie, that she was in ” a great deal of pain?”
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November 18, 2010 at 7:45 pm
this is what i was told by the doctors and nurses in the nicu when i first went to see her.
when she cried, it was like a cry a baby gives with pain as opposed to other cries, although lots of times she was exhausted and didn’t cry.
her facial expressions were often a grimace like babies have when they are in pain.
her heart rate, blood pressure and oxygen consumption was always very high.
she had all the symptoms of being in pain.
it was a very helpless feeling to see and be unable to do anything about.
as a mother, i know you know that feeling of helplessness when something is wrong with your child and you are unable to do anything.
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November 19, 2010 at 9:28 am
“As a mother?” Are you a woman, Rogie????
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November 19, 2010 at 10:49 am
>>“As a mother?” Are you a woman, Rogie????<<
jajajajaja
i am a masculine woman as much as you are an effeminate man.
i meant that given that you are a mother, you can understand how helpless a parent feels when something is terribly wrong with your child and you can't do anything about it.
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February 9, 2014 at 3:57 am
we will really miss Gloria B , and in her great pateris she gives all her listeners .Good Luck Ms Diva , hope u visit us every month .Amor
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November 18, 2010 at 7:24 am
Research. Do it.
Studies in Electroencephalography suggest the capacity for functional pain perception in premies probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks and asserted that withdrawal reflexes and changes in heart rates and hormone levels are reflexes that do not indicate pain.
And it makes sense since thalamocortical connections (which are needed) aren’t even established until about 26 weeks.
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November 18, 2010 at 8:17 am
I suggest you take at look at the blog from ANSIRH. It’s is an academic research program at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF). Our mission is to ensure that reproductive health care and policy are grounded in evidence. You can find a pdf powerpoint that provides scientific evidence about fetal pain.
Click to access Weitz.HastingsTalk.8.30.10.pdf
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November 18, 2010 at 10:48 am
thank you, kate!
i will check it out.
when it’s your own child, there is somewhat of a personal stake involved.
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November 18, 2010 at 10:51 am
so you are saying that a premature birth retards the ability to feel pain?
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November 19, 2010 at 7:48 pm
I’m saying that functional pain reception is something that develops very late in gestation, thus premies born early enough may not yet have much of it.
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November 19, 2010 at 9:14 pm
i am studying closely the info in the link that kate gave to me.
granted, it conflicts with what i have always thought before, and with other studies i have seen, but i still want to know every possibly view on it.
if it wasn’t as bad for her as i have always believed it was, that can only be a good thing.
thank you, julie. 🙂
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November 17, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Oh, Kate, you know that one. You remember everything. Probably was about two months or two weeks before you were born, right? Or two years after? Whatever it is, next month you’ll change your mind.
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November 18, 2010 at 11:57 am
If anyone is interested in the facts, in the later abortions the fetus is injected with digoxin and it kills it. Now maybe when the needle goes in, the fetus “feels” it but gimme a break folks. Are you folks concerned about the “pain” when we inject a mass murderer with poison? I dont give a flying fig if the fetus “feels” anything. I support the right of the woman to abort…
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November 18, 2010 at 7:10 pm
a flying fig eh? we can kill ’em because they don’t feel shit
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November 18, 2010 at 8:02 pm
What happened to Mr. Dunkle who professes above all else the sanctity of his ideals, who really frowns on the profanity?
You see, if you push the pitiful bastard, he will present himself in full. Hence, the word shit.
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November 19, 2010 at 5:00 am
I was quoting
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November 19, 2010 at 11:01 am
whom?
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November 19, 2010 at 11:42 am
you, or was it Chuckles, or maybe Kate herself
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November 19, 2010 at 12:26 pm
>>you, or was it Chuckles, or maybe Kate herself<<
it wasn't me, and i didn't see either chuckles or katie say that
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November 18, 2010 at 8:05 pm
i am aware of abortion procedures.
i find it interesting when lifers will speak of saline abortions which haven’t been done routinely in years.
i think it is good to be educated on things, rather than just chant mantras.
actually, yes i am concerned about the pain that a person being executed feels.
although i am more concerned that they are being killed as i oppose the death penalty.
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November 18, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Men can be pregnant! If men on this thread are so concerned about women like Gloria, they can offer to be the pregnancy surrogate. For those men who otherwise want to show women how easy it is to bring a child to term and raise it, there is the option of artificial insemination.
John will now tell us of his plans to do one of the above….
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November 19, 2010 at 11:00 am
good point chuckles!
but setting aside the abortions, what was to become of gloria?
20 years after the fact, her trials remained with patty.
was her life always to be that way?
would anyone in her daily life ever realize that gloria matters?
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November 18, 2010 at 7:11 pm
In the above I only see one.
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November 19, 2010 at 11:01 am
there are two
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November 19, 2010 at 11:45 am
Two? See, even you, Rog, Chuckles’ bosom buddy, doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
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November 19, 2010 at 9:17 pm
i know exactly what he was saying, john.
there are two hypothetical options there.
one is surrogacy and the other is AI and raising the child.
he offered a choice for the pregnancy and one for the childhood.
he was speaking of the present that the woman facing an unwanted pregnancy is dealing with, as well as her future.
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February 9, 2014 at 12:53 am
Mamma : yes it was!Rviator : You just start doing it! I had a friend who was insreetted and she knew some toehr girls that were and that’s how we started it. We all had plenty of ideas and then we hanged out a lot otgheter and tried different things. We did have some contacts among the organizers; the scene over here is pretty small. Recently it’s been quite a boom – seems a lot are insreetted in burlesue and that has given us many gigs.Otherwise, check out clips on the internet for inspiration and then just do what you feel like doing, almost anything works if you do it well!
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November 23, 2010 at 5:09 pm
John’s unfortunately displaying some degeneration of his mental acuity, rogelio; cut him some slack….
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November 19, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Rogelio at #14: One of the first things to know about humans is that we always act in ways that we define as successful. However, our definitions vary widely. Many people might look at Gloria as an out-and-out failure, but in her own eyes she has done what is necessary to get what she wants– unfortunately, a lot of what she wants is simply to avoid more pain than she’s already experiencing. That’s a minimalist’s idea of success.
As with the rest of us, when events overwhelm her, she makes choices that will put her back on the track of well-being as she has defined it. Her definition apparently does not include having children witness her continual failures over eighteen or more years.
She operates this way because of the family values instilled in her in childhood– she never had the emotional support that encouraged her to stand up for herself, to expect decent treatment from men, to trust her feelings, to know there would always be somebody who had the help she wanted. So, she settled for a far lesser form of success in life.
Gloria’s life is very likely to remain that way. Only when the pain becomes unbearable or she yields to the recruitment of a cultist is it likely to change.
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November 19, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Um, do you know Gloria? Sounds like a lot of pointless speculation here.
I would say that Gloria actually DOES do a good job of standing up for herself. According to this story, she’s stood up for herself at least six separate times.
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November 20, 2010 at 7:48 am
In the course of my life, I have known at least 50 or 60 Glorias, their children and in a few instances their grandchildren.
Unlike so-called “pro-lifers,” my energies have been devoted in a considerable degree to helping Gloria find out it’s safe to raise her expectations of how she should be treated and to want more than she’s settled for.
It’s a good sign that she has the strength to choose abortion.
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November 20, 2010 at 2:13 pm
WEll said…
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February 10, 2014 at 7:13 am
A little rationality lifts the quality of the debate here. Thanks for coitgibutnnr!
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November 19, 2010 at 7:46 pm
So how many times am I allowed to call the fire department to save my home?
My home has caught fire twice now. Once for a child mishandling electronics and once for faulty wiring in the walls. Both times, we were able to call the fire department to safely save our home and, arguably, our futures. But what if it happens …again? What if my cat knocks over a candle, or my dad accidentally starts a grease fire in the kitchen?
What’s my limit, exactly? How many times am I allowed to call the fire department for help before I am “abusing” my right to safety and protection from further harm? Should I let it burn or attempt to take matters into my own hands?
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November 20, 2010 at 2:14 pm
That’s a great point, Julie….
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November 20, 2010 at 8:13 am
Julie, you don’t seem to understand: It is your job as a woman to meet the needs of the so-called “pro-lifers.” In order for them to feel they are beloved of God and doing His work, you have to have baby after baby after baby after baby. And you can’t expect them to pay more taxes to feed, clothe, educate, protect or monitor them. And you can’t expect them to provide personal help in doing so yourself. And you can’t expect them to pay for the lawyer your kid steals their car. And you can’t expect them to pay for birth control, either.
What you will have done is helped them prove to themselves that because they have “rescued” a fetus, God will save them a spot in heaven in return for their “heroism” on earth. Nothing’s as good as being able to be a hero on the cheap.
So, stop whining and get with the program, okay?
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November 20, 2010 at 10:08 am
[…] day, a link was posted on that page to a post on Abortion.ws entitled Gloria’s Six Abortions wherein Pat Richards talked about meeting Gloria and accompanying her through her sixth abortion. […]
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November 20, 2010 at 2:15 pm
what is posted on what page????
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November 20, 2010 at 7:12 pm
WTF. That’s strange.
I just linked to this page in a blog post and it ended up leaving an excerpt here as a comment.
Wordpress is weird.
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November 22, 2010 at 8:40 am
Hey, Julie, I recognize you from the abortion.com Facebook page. I hope you will share with us your great insights on this blog when you can….
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November 22, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Oh, yes. Sure. Like I said, it was on abortion.com’s facebook page that I first discovered a link to this article. After reading it and talking with several people about it, I decided to write a bit about it in my own blog, the golden coat hanger. Unfortunately, wordpress’ track-back system is a tad… inelegant?
Thanks for sharing this experience with us.
And yes, you can expect to see me around a bit 😉
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