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January 31, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Who is Dan Holman? Is Neal Horsley still around working on that Nuremberg File thing?
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January 31, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Neal is running for President! Dan Holman, and his wife, Donna, are powerful prolife thinkers and activists. I might have learned more from them than from any others. Google them.
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February 1, 2011 at 12:18 pm
I googles them. Their biographies read like they are possessed by Satan.
What could an intelligent person possibly learn from those menaces to society?
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February 1, 2011 at 11:05 pm
“Powerful ProLife Thinkers?”
I laughed out loud when I read that!
That is the most hilarious paradox I have heard!
Tx for the belly laugh!
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April 21, 2011 at 8:38 am
“Powerful ProLife Thinkers?”
I love it.
Probably the most fantastic oxyMORON I ever read!
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February 1, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Re: Alienation:
Okay, I can work with the definition you give. What evidence do you have that supports your feeling, or are you just feeling sorry for yourself?
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February 1, 2011 at 1:33 pm
I feel that way because I have dwelt on what is required of me and what would happen to me if I fulfilled that requirement, and I know people who have accepted God’s challenge, people like Jim Kopp. I see Kopp about once a month in prison and the feeling of alienation he is experiencing is so powerful that it penetrates my soul as I leave.
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February 1, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Kopp is garbage.
Any friend of Kopp needs to be on Psychiatric meds.
They should have increased that murderer.
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February 1, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Dunkle is lier.
He said Dr. Britton was not a doctor.
Apparently I am told Britton was a Doctor when he was murdered.
Dunkle seems to think that is OK by playing word games and lying.
Why not just tell the truth?
Why is it so hard for Dunkle to tell the truth?
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February 1, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Dr. Britton left the medical profession to become a killer.
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February 1, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Britton apparently was a Medical Doctor licensed by the state to be a medical Doctor.
As well I read that he did a lot more than abortions.
John, you are just a lier,
over and over,
it is that simple.
Just admit it.
You really lose all credibility when you lie like that,
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February 1, 2011 at 5:08 pm
He’s not a liar in the way you think of liars, Tina. He verbalizes what he wants to be true, for two reasons: First, it’s a form of affirming his reality to himself. Second, it’s like the Chinese water torture; if he keeps up the drip, drip, drip long enough, he hopes you’ll give in a believe it also. Then he will have his reality confirmed by a third party, even though it is untrue.
It is necessary for him to use the me good/abortion evil framework because he’s trying to assure that after he dies, he will transcend Death.
It’s a variant of “The End is Near” crowd, who are people who can’t believe the world can go on without them, so obviously it must be ending soon…
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February 1, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Well he is a lier.
I get what you are saying. But that does not make him a straight out lier. He said Britton was not a Doctor.
He knows very well Britton was a Doctor, so he lied.
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February 1, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Alienation, from #5: You feel that way, but aren’t there cues, behaviors, actions from other people that confirm those feelings? I used to get challenged by Christians when I’d wear the “Orthodox Druid” t-shirt my sainted aunt bought me at Stonehenge, and they displayed attitudes that confirmed my feelings about the situation.
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February 2, 2011 at 7:31 am
What you describe is feeling glum. Unless you can describe it better than that, to an observer it’s not anything like alienation. Glumness isn’t much of a price to pay for one’s beliefs.
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February 2, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Best I can do. Go to the next one.
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February 2, 2011 at 4:22 pm
You say you suffer alienation, but you’re not describing it. If you can’t describe it, how does anyone know you’re suffering it? What you described is nothing more than moodiness. If you’re experiencing something else, you’ll have to describe it. Sorry.
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February 2, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Then you understand you’re misrepresenting if you say you suffer alienation foryour beliefs and practices, when all you’re experiencing is glumness?
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February 2, 2011 at 4:17 pm
I think it’s alienation; you think it’s glumness. “Glumness” — as in “He experiences glumness.” Never heard of that before. Have you?
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February 3, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Still on alienation– Is Kopp’s sense of it different from yours? Would what he must feel be different in degree of severity or even type? How would you compare your feeling of it versus his?
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February 3, 2011 at 7:05 pm
“Is Kopp’s sense of it different from yours?” no
“Would what he must feel be different in degree of severity or even type?” degree of severity — yes type — no
“How would you compare your feeling of it versus his?” His is a hundred times worse.
Chuckles, I said this above. You must read my answers if you are going to ask me questions.
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February 4, 2011 at 11:54 am
Mr. Dunkle, I have read your answers and they are wholly insufficient to exploring your feeling of alienation, but wholly satisfactory for explaining a feeling of glumness. Your response to my questions about comparing Kopp’s state to yours sound very much like “I don’t want to talk about it,” which is okay. I just think you should realize that if you are unwilling to talk about it, people are going to look at your claim of alienation as a self-pitying ploy for sympathy.
In which case, you will be buttressing my thesis that so-called “pro-lifers” dramatize themselves in pursuit of recognition as being a “hero.” I really don’t feel comfortable with you doing that to yourself. But if you really can’t address it, it buttresses the argument about aborticentrism.
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February 4, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Yeah, whatever, let’s move on.
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February 1, 2011 at 5:55 pm
“…it’s like the Chinese water torture; if he keeps up the drip, drip, drip long enough, he hopes you’ll give in and believe it also.”
You’re right here, Chuckles, but I ain’t working on Tina. I’m working on you.
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February 1, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Dunkle still tries to Lie.
Why bother having a conversation with a lier?
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February 1, 2011 at 9:44 pm
we must promise.. Never giving up.. 😉
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February 1, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Unreal,
That lier is so self absorbed he must be seriously delusional, psychotic, or have some personality disorder!
I hate it when liars just keep lying even though everyone has caught them in their misdeed.
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February 2, 2011 at 9:00 am
That Dunkle,
1) Believes Homicide is Justifiable?
2) Yet he still lies when he need not if he admits to #1
3) He is friends with Murderers
4) He has helped them in their past, editing literature, talking to them about violence, burnt American Flags, tried to defraud charities
5) He presently intimidates people at their homes, including people that have nothing to do with Abortion
6) he harasses women at Dr. Offices
7) When one believes Homicide is justifiable, and you hang around with and help the people that Committ Murder …
Isn’t that a crime that gets you in jail?
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February 2, 2011 at 9:17 am
“7) When one believes Homicide is justifiable, and you hang around with and help the people that Committ Murder …
Isn’t that a crime that gets you in jail?”
Will you be quiet! Wanna get me in trouble?
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February 2, 2011 at 9:42 am
That makes sense.
Are you in Jail now for crimes, and they let you blog from jail?
Or if you are not in Jail how do you stay out of jail, after what you have done?
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February 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Where did the Dunle go?
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February 3, 2011 at 6:05 am
Elas, Tina M, Jerad, Gerry, Frank, Henry, Said, Lostris, Linda Cohen, Maria Victoria, Jennifer, Elena Carvin, Maria, Amaury, et al.,
First I tried to discourage you: “Will you young folks please say something I can respond to? Hasn’t anyone told you that making fun of your opponent or cursing him kills your own argument? It’s known as an ad hom (to the man rather than to the topic) and it’s something people who have already lost the argument resort to. Now I know you can do better than that. Try it.”
Then Pat did: “Sonia, the problem is you and others just pepper John with question after question and then throw in your little comments about “Dumbkle”. If you really want a better “conversation,” just ask a simple question without the childish commentary and John will answer it. As I said earlier, I find some of these posts annoying. The minute I see an exclamation point, I stop reading…”
Then Chuckles (and notice, Pat and Chuckles are my enemies): “There are a lot of people who are falling into the trap laid for them by a so-called “pro-lifer,” who encourages their ad hominem and vindictive comments. What they provide for him is evidence that his is the right side, as he can judge by people who respond at his level.
It is necessary for the continued well-being of a so-called “pro-lifer” to project– to impose on another his faults for purposes of catharsis– and engaging in gutter-sniping merely provides him with an easier job of it.
Far better is to simply ask him a question repeatedly, without getting personal or losing your cool, until he answers it satisfactorily. You deprive him of mastery over your emotions.”
So please, please, don’t comment. I love this blog, but I love it a little less when you start in.
Or is it, as Chuckles implies — you really do want me to have mastery over your emotions.
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February 3, 2011 at 7:38 am
That was a really long way to still not answer a question.
It was also an incoherent rant.
It appears that you may be suffering emotionally. Please get help for yourself.
Now can you answer the simple question?
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February 3, 2011 at 9:19 am
Sure, even the slightly more complicated one. What is it?
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February 3, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Are you deaf, DT? WHAT IS THE QUESTION!
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February 7, 2011 at 9:11 am
Hey, John, why dont you post some threads that tell us about your jail experiences? Why were you incarcerated? For how long, etc.?
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February 8, 2011 at 10:22 am
That would be interesting.
Was it for helping murderers?
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February 9, 2011 at 9:29 am
Geez, Katira, lighten up and let John talk for a minute..
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February 9, 2011 at 10:46 am
Pat,
It looks like Katira’s reply came over 24 hours after you asked the question.
Also, Katira replying, and John answering can occur at the very same time. One does not stop the other.
John,
Would write, not talk.
John has written like a big boy, I don’t think a simple interjection will scare him away.
Actually, I am curious also about Johns answer. It would be interesting if he will make the leap and speak truthfully.
I have trouble understanding your reply looking at that.
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February 8, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I bought into Randall Terry’s “Operation Rescue” in the late ’80s. Lots of prolifers would sit up against the doors of the killing mills. Eventually we’d get dispersed but, usually, not till the place closed for the day. Sometimes the authorities would take us to the local high school gym, book us, and release us. As the months went by, the authorities got tougher; eventually they out-toughed us, and in the early ’90s that kind of OR activity ended. I would spend a day in jail here, a week there, but never longer than three weeks. Even though we stayed with hardened criminals, I never suffered (too old and ugly, probably). My wife once said, “You’re going to get AIDS.” I said, “Don’t flatter me.”
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February 9, 2011 at 9:31 am
I always found it interesting how you folks could just sit in front of a clinic for hours while the cops did nothing. Do you think when we passed FACE – the federal law protecting clinics – that had an effect on the OR movement?
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February 9, 2011 at 11:19 am
Sure, killed it.
About the cops — don’t fool yourself. They’d often have liked nothing better than to inflict pain and even maim us. Cops hate to be defied, and who can blame them. We would usually pick a mill, though, in a small town. What were the locals supposed to do with 300 of us and 6 jail cells?
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February 9, 2011 at 3:06 pm
What did you do, John, to the
Crisis Pregnancy Center Mills (now well known for their lying and deceitful maneuvers),
to stop their harm?
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February 9, 2011 at 11:49 pm
When you swallow lies, Vilma, you poison yourself.
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February 10, 2011 at 10:31 am
The Catholic Mills and the CPC mills are horrendous. They should be shut down!
They are dens of horror and lies!
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February 9, 2011 at 11:07 am
Didn’t Operation Rescue harass and demean women?
OR is Operation Rescue?
Did OR accomplish anything Good by emotionally harming innocent people?
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February 9, 2011 at 11:20 am
Select one of those questions, Andrea, and ask someone.
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February 9, 2011 at 11:26 am
Andrea,
This Jacob is a bother.
The answers are simple.
Yes, OR (Operation Rescue) did demean and harass women, while at the same time accomplishing nothing good.
That was pretty easy.
Why do some of you people have such difficulty answering simple questions?
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February 9, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Andrea, OR was Randy Terry’s baby until his adultery caught up with him and his Binghamton church threw him out. You are absolutely right about harassing and demeaning. He started his career by telling his family he was Jesus; then he disappeared into his bedroom for two weeks and came out to say he was doing what Jesus told him. His most stalwart stand for his precious “unborn humans” came in the Days of Rage in Wichita, where, faced with having to post a $10,000 bond, he chose instead to disappear, after which the disruption subsided.
His real legacy to the dysfunctional self-help program which calls itself “pro-life” was to energize the base, who ran for and got elected to all sorts of positions statewide. They are the ones who have turned the Kansas Board of Education into an educational farce, and they are the ones who believe government is bad for you. When elected, as Thomas Frank said in his book, What’s the Matter with Kansas?, they proceed to prove it. Kansas is probably the only state at this time which makes Mississippi look good.
Thanks a lot, Randy (and he was aptly named).
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February 9, 2011 at 1:51 pm
“They are the ones who have turned the Kansas Board of Education into an educational farce” — well, that’s one; what about the other forty-nine?
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February 9, 2011 at 2:59 pm
CG,
That was a good comment, with a funny ending.
What about SC? Louisiana and Alabama.
Aren’t they contenders for being states that are as backwards intellectually as Mississippi?
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February 9, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Mississippi has always been the poorest. Louisiana and Alabama might be intellectually backward, but they have never deliberately chosen to drive themselves into ignorance AND poverty as Kansas has. You could read the book; it’s a stitch.
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February 10, 2011 at 10:34 am
That is funny CG.
Is Kansas where they had the Original Scopes Trial?
I understand what you are saying now.
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February 10, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Scopes was in Shelbyville, Tennessee, Vilma. It’s just amazing that there are still people who willfully raise their children to be ignorant. I guess it’s the price they pay for “freedom.”
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February 10, 2011 at 5:16 pm
What does that mean?
What is anonymous trying to say?
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February 10, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Thanks, Vilma, but why did you find my ending funny?
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February 10, 2011 at 1:51 pm
I think what hurt OR also was the murders of the doctors, i.e., pro-lifers who were less “crazy” about the issue started getting away for fear of violence. Also, Randy started to go after homosexuals, Islam, etc, started to get spread way too thin…
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February 10, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Partly right, but partly wrong, Pat. What killed OR was cowardice. Believe me, I know.
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February 9, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Andrea, I agree, your question was easy. Not sure why Jacob responded like that. I apologize, it’s probably some teenager or crazy old person.
Frank said it perfectly, I won’t repeat it.
Ditto his answer on Abortion and the Satanic Cult OR.
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February 9, 2011 at 5:10 pm
jacobtoo and Juohn Dunkle are the same person.
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February 10, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Why is John using two different names now?
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February 10, 2011 at 5:26 pm
I forget.
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February 11, 2011 at 7:33 am
OR may have had Satan in their cult.
Many of the ProLife cults remind me of satanic cults.
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February 10, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Dunkle?
Who is She?
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February 10, 2011 at 5:27 pm
My daughter.
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February 11, 2011 at 7:25 am
Then who are you?
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February 11, 2011 at 9:36 am
Allen, the Dunkle they are talking about on this blog is a he as far as I can tell, although one never knows.
he is a Pro Life fanatic that most people think is pretty crazy.
Just read the stupid things he writes and you will understand very quickly.
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February 11, 2011 at 9:38 am
Actually,
Just look around this area, and you can read what a know nothing the he or she is.
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February 11, 2011 at 2:22 pm
I see what you mean Thoren.
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February 10, 2014 at 9:28 pm
Articles like this really grease the shafts of knlewodge.
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