On January 22, 1973 the U.S. Supreme Court handed down the Roe v Wade decision which declared that the constitutional right to privacy extended to abortion. Supporters of legal abortion rejoiced, although some did object to the fact that the decision allowed some restrictions on the procedure. At the same time, the pro-life movement declared it as a dark day in history.
Over the next few years, however, the pro-life movement actually took “possession” of January 22. They started organizing large rallies on that day across the country and ultimately launched the annual “March for Life” where hundreds of thousands of pro-lifers came to Washington, D.C. to express their opposition to legal abortion. The pro-choice movement could only watch feebly from the sidelines.
In late 1997, as a staff person for the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, it dawned on me that the next January 22nd would be the 25th anniversary of Roe v Wade. I started to think about how we could “take back” that day. Remember that this was a time when abortion providers were under attack. The bullets were flying, clinics were being bombed, every day was another battle in the constant war. Ironically, I came up with the idea of actually having a party, a celebration commemorating the work of the doctors and staff at the abortion clinics. Indeed, for years at the annual NCAP conference, we always had a dinner dance to help us wind down after a full day of seminars and lectures.
But I started wondering why we shouldn’t go a step further? I had been in Washington, D.C. long enough to know that other organizations, from the realtors to the bankers, regularly had formal, black tie parties. Why couldn’t we do the same thing? Why not have a real “grown up” party?
At first, some of our members were reluctant. It was almost as if it would be a sacrilege for the doctors and staff to “dress up.” But within a few weeks, the idea spread like wildfire. On email and over the telephone, people started talking about what they were going to wear, how they needed to rent a tuxedo and other logistical issues. While they were still nervous opening up their car doors, I could tell they were even more nervous about how they were going to do their hair that night.
To make the evening extra special, I booked the main ballroom at the famous Mayflower Hotel in Washington, D.C. I then spent weeks looking for a live band and finally found one that I liked. Everything was in place.
Since they were in town anyway, we offered our members a series of lectures during the day. They sat through speeches on “head and heart” counseling and how to advertise on the Internet, but it was clear that no one was concentrating. They were thinking of their “coming out” party. Finally, the time arrived. My staff and I got there early and stood at the door greeting folks as they shuffled in. I was literally taken aback. I had gotten to know these folks intimately, had talked to them for years about the protestors and the murders, was accustomed to seeing them in their scrubs or casual “clinic wear,” but now they were coming into the room with flowing gowns and jewelry that had been in storage for years. Instead of bullet proof vests, the male doctors now had shiny tuxedos. They were different people. They were finally having fun, getting all “gussied up” as one person put it. The music, the food and, yes, the booze flowed all night.
A few weeks earlier, I had spoken with a writer for the “Style” section of the Washington Post and she thought it was fascinating that abortion providers would even consider having a party. I invited her to come and she readily accepted. The next morning, after a very long night of revelry, our conference attendees had copies of the Post delivered to their hotel rooms and there on the front page was an article entitled “Dinner Break From a Hot Issue.” The joy of those interviewed jumped from the pages. Doctors who drove to
their clinics with blankets over their heads for security purposes openly talked to the reporter about the great time they were having for that one evening. Clinic owners spoke candidly about how proud they were of the work they performed. Directors of clinics talked about the women they served and about whose gown they were wearing. We had created an alternate world for one magical evening.
Within a few days, everyone was back at their clinics. Waiting for them were the local protestors, the anonymous phone calls, the nasty unsigned letters and the myriad of issues that come up daily in a medical facility. But for weeks, they just talked about “the party.”
On that night, we had taken back Roe v Wade.



October 24, 2010 at 7:03 pm
We take back the night every time we (Abortion Care Network) members and board members meet at our annual conference. And, yes, we dress for success, all “gussied up” and ready for fun.
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October 25, 2010 at 12:23 pm
That’s good news, Anonymous. It’s nice to see that ACN has continued the tradition. I just thought, however, that that night was an even more special night. Were you there???
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November 2, 2010 at 4:28 pm
How can you in good conscience celebrate sucking and scraping babies out of wombs? We’ve all seen ultra-sounds. We know they are babies.
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October 24, 2010 at 8:01 pm
“The pro-choice movement could only watch feebly from the sidelines”! Pat! These former doctors were raking in five grand a day! They couldn’t care less about what we were doing!
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October 25, 2010 at 12:25 pm
You’re wrong John. There was a lot of discussion about “taking back Roe.” It was very annoying/upsetting to a lot of people that it was no longer “their” day.
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October 25, 2010 at 5:41 am
Something to consider when you think about the November elections: “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.” Seneca the Younger
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October 25, 2010 at 12:26 pm
good thoguht! signed, Pat the Older
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October 25, 2010 at 7:46 am
Kate, are you sure that’s not Seneca the Stupid?
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October 25, 2010 at 11:47 am
Seems kind of slow here; so I’m going to post part of a letter I got from an Aussie. Please comment:
It’s been 15 years since Paul Hill stood up and told the people of North America what their responsibility was. Many people have bad memories and soon forget. Maybe it’s time that another Paul Hill stood up and reminded them what pathetic failures they are.
Always go as strong as you can.
..Peter S. Knight (signed in script. The 22 page text was printed meticulously in tiny caps.)
No other prolifer or killers’ helper attacks us more powerfully than Peter Knight, not us of the “pray and vote-only” variety but we who visit the mills to plead with women to save babies’ lives. I posted Peter’s big argument, the one that has me still upset, in October’s “Abortion is Murder.” Peter there charges us with helping rather than hurting the killer because the mother of the baby we are able to save is the one who would cause him the most grief. She is the woman who would be most likely to attack him emotionally and financially. Here’s how Peter put it:
How much could any abortionist care if someone removed a paltry one percent of his clients? And would he care at all if the few that were removed out of the way were the ones who were far and away most likely to sue him? Once again they’ve only performed a free of charge beneficial service for the abortionist. Once again they’ve only been sucked into doing the abortionist a favour. This is the type of poker machine which hands the abortionists a million dollar jackpot without them needing to put any pennies into it. “Do us the favour suckers.”
If you were an abortionist what better friends and what more helpful friends could you have than these? What better plan could you come up with than to get some of your friends to take over the top positions at so-called anti-abortion organizations; then have them do as much as possible to suck their members into removing from your premises as many of the people as they could who were most likely to sue you.
I have a brilliant friend who disagrees with Peter. I hope he will put his disagreement into writing.
Meanwhile, if you think that Peter’s on to something, two courses of action remain, one of them illegal. Since for me doing something illegal is not an option, I have only one: increase the intensity of the attacks against both killers and their helpers. That means visiting their homes and challenging them in public, and, of course, that means preparing for their visits to us. In other words, we must expand this war between Life and Death from the streets near the mills to all streets. Do you see anything else?
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October 25, 2010 at 12:28 pm
John: I may be dense, but I dont know who is talking here and which ones are your thoughts and which are Peters. Can you clarify. Might be interesting to discuss if I understood it…
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October 25, 2010 at 1:06 pm
In the newsletter it’s easy to follow because I can change type and use italics. But those didn’t take here, so I should have inserted quotation marks. Now I’ll do this: paragraphs 1,3,4, 7,& 8 are mine; 2, 5, & 6 are Peter’s.
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October 25, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Great job Pat. Thank you for showing appreciation the doctors when they needed. They are out there putting themselves at risk to help women.
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October 26, 2010 at 8:24 am
Thanks, Melissa!
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October 25, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Tonight, the documentary, The Assassination of Dr. Tiller, on MSNBC, demonstrated with great clarity the depravity of the antiabortion industry, particulary those who incite with fear and anger to encourage someone to kill. The truth of the situation is that Americans do not agree with violence of the antiabortionists, do not agree with their rhetoric, their visual harassment tactics and certainly not their lies. And this “incite to kill” stuff is on your head John Dunkle.
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October 25, 2010 at 10:54 pm
i watched the documentary.
i had been praying for dr tiller for quite a while before he was killed.
as i prayed for his conversion, i studied more about him, and i understood that he was not tiller the baby killer, as bill o’reilly liked to call him.
of course i beleieve that what he was doing was wrong, but in his heart, he was doing what he thought would help the people that came to him.
this man was not my enemy. my enemy is not flesh and blood.
that is one reason why jesus taught us to pray for our enemies.
i still pray for him, and believe that he is in a better place, knowing that i am praying for him, and that he is in return, praying for me.
that is the easy part.
but i am also praying for the conversion of scott roeder, that he will understand that what he did was wrong.
considering that he came from the pro-life camp, and still committed murder, that is sometimes not as easy.
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October 26, 2010 at 8:25 am
Wait a second, John! I thought you said Roeder was a “hero”??
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October 26, 2010 at 9:04 am
jajajaja
you were reading my post, pattypoo.
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October 26, 2010 at 4:07 am
I saw it too and liked it. At least I didn’t have to look at Rachel, just hear her. And what a cello!
Not just my head, though, Chuckles — every prolifer’s. You’re prolife when you realize you’re alive nine months before you’re born. In that case you’re murdered when someone kills you. If you proclaim that, someone like Scott will eventually take you seriously even if you don’t take yourself seriously. Bound to happen.
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October 26, 2010 at 4:09 am
Oops! Not just my head, Kate. Why do I keep mixing up those two?
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October 26, 2010 at 7:40 am
maybe because you see them as a stance, rather than individual people with individual lives and individual needs, just as you see those who seek abortions and the doctors and the staffers as a stance, rather than as people?
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October 26, 2010 at 11:33 am
I see you as a person, Rog. Your real name is Kate Ranieri.
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October 30, 2010 at 2:56 pm
well thank you john!
i find her to be a warm engaging person, so i take that as a compliment. 🙂
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October 25, 2010 at 10:37 pm
when i pray in front of the abortion clinics, i always have some rachel’s vineyard cards ready to offer if those leaving will accept them. quite a few of them do, given the high number of catholic and evangelical women who have abortions.
i have heard some wonderful things about head and heart from lorraine and some other choicers.
so i contacted the group, and a very nice lady whose name i will not state for security’s sake, contacted me and was at first very compassionate and kind.
she told me a little bit about the program and asked of i thought it would help me.
i explained to her that after 25 years, i had been to rachel’s vineyard and finally got post abortive healing there.
i explained that i was looking for post abortive healing for those who do not share my belief system. i wasn’t christian in 1984, and if i had known such a thing as head and heart existed, i would have jumped at it.
but the lady informed me “this is what i have to offer. please don’t contact me again.”
so i didn’t. i suppose that once she knew i am a lifer, she became scared of me. with some of the loonies running around, that is understandable.
still, i sure wish i knew more about it and was able to offer it to anyone that it might help.
i know there are some lifers who think that it is just punishment to feel the things i felt, and there are some choicers who deny there the wounds can exist because it will hurt their cause.
but only those who have been through it can totally understand that this choice did not come easy, and that for some of us, it came with great consequence.
nobody should have to live their lives wounded when there is healing to be had.
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October 26, 2010 at 4:49 am
Rogelio,
I thank you for your thoughtful comments which are so critical in a moment in our history where the antiabortion fervor behaves as if it’s a pack of unleashed rabid dogs. I agree with your heart and head concept because I know women who have had to make the really tough decision, the right decision for them, to have an abortion. And as all abortion providers and counselors know, no woman wants to have an abortion. But women who do, know that what they are doing is the morally responsible decision for them and for their families. Do they have regrets? Most, generally, relief is the emotional response. And while it is known that some women have fleeting regrets, very few have any psychological sequelae that weren’t there before the abortion. Nonetheless, with any head/heart conflict, it’s a wonderful thing that you and others can find comfort in places like Rachel’s Vineyard.
One subject that is sorely missing critical thought and absolutely missing in mainstream media is the idea of giving up the child for adoption. It’s a noble thought and even more noble if a woman makes that choice. But scholarly research has identified significant problems with adoption for both the birth mother and the child. The birth mother all too often feels a lifetime of remorse while the child wonders why they were given up. This, of course, is a superficial explanation of adoption problems but it relates back to your idea of head and heart. The head says it’s a good idea but the heart has a forever spot about that loss.
One last thought about being wounded, prolifers who hang out at abortion clinics, from my observations, fall into two categories. The first category includes people who pray silently, who may offer words of help but who never say mean-spirited things. The second category includes those who want women to feel shame, who torment women with obscene bloody images of mangled fetuses, and who take great pleasure in screaming gross lies for the sake of frightening women. In Allentown PA, John Dunkle and his Saturday morning buddies fit into this category along with Mary Hartnett, Sandy Godshalk, Joyce Mazalewski, Katie Teays and Kathy Kuhns. This second category lives to wound women. They add pain on top of emotional pain by their actions and their words. I trust, Rogelia, that you are belong to the first category.
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October 26, 2010 at 8:07 am
thank you. kate is your name? i am rogelio, mucho gusto. 🙂
thank you for telling me a bit more about head and heart. i honestly believe that the reason that the lady i was in contact with dismissed me was out of fear because i wanted to be upfront about being an active lifer, but she was simply scared of me. but the initial feeling i got from her was one of great compassion and understanding.
rachel’s vineyard offers the same thing, but the truth is that it will work for someone with my belief system ( which i did not have in 1984. the pregnancy was with a married woman whose husband was out to sea, and we were both pro-choice until that point. but that didn’t make the aftermath any easier for either of us. ) but maybe not for others.
for those who don’t regret their choice, i am very grateful. such wounds are not something i would want for anyone.
you make a good point with adoption. some lifers don’t realize that adoption is an extreme just like abortion is.
and too, when i adopted my daughter, i had to jump through hoops. adoption laws vary, but can be draconian.
and too, so many people want to adopt “perfect” babies. they don’t want to take on the ones with special needs, be they physical or mental, etc.
the truth is that had i not had the emptiness from the abortion and then losing my 28 month old son shortly after, i might not have been willing to adopt a special needs baby.
it’s not as though i am a saint or anything, just a man with his own needs and desires, just like everyone else in the world.
i definitely believe that there are far more people, (men, as well as women) who regret their abortion experience than society wants to admit.
but as you point out, the number of people who regret putting a baby up for adoption is most likely greater than society wants to admit as well.
i think the ideal would be to help change circumstances so that women can keep their babies.
but too many people who are pro-life also don’t want to inconvenience themselves with anything as small as paying a tiny bit more in taxes to help fund programs that would help with this.
needing help shouldn’t be a cause for shame.
i think the shame should be placed on being able to help someone in need, but refusing to out of selfish motivations.
far too often, while god forgives, people don’t.
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October 30, 2010 at 9:50 pm
back onto the topic of head and heart…
lorraine, kate and pat, thank you very much for more information about the program.
i had a chance to pass it on to someone that i met and i think that she will be pursuing it.
i also passed it on to a man who made a video when he confronted some women who were screaming at his wife that she was a murderer as she went to abort her dying 4 mo baby.
i pray that they will pursue it as well.
thank you all so very much.
sometimes people don’t understand that just because we make a choice, doesn’t mean that it didn’t hurt us inside.
but all of you did.
god bless you.
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February 10, 2014 at 9:27 am
Thanks alot – your answer solved all my problems after several days stulggring
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October 26, 2010 at 5:03 am
Careful, Rog, remember that Chuckles said you were out of line too. If they get rid of me, you’re next.
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October 26, 2010 at 7:37 am
john, chuckles never said i was out of line.
as a matter of fact, he encouraged me to do what i do in exactly the way that i do it. what he said was that i need to teach other lifers to change how they do things and expressed doubt that i, or anyone else can because the motivation needs to change from condemnation to love of neighbor.
nobody has “gotten rid of you”.
you are still proudly condemning and proudly stalking and proudly terrorizing, and in denial that this is what you are doing.
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October 26, 2010 at 11:37 am
Well somebody said you were out of line simply for standing quietly near a mill and attempting to comfort the desperate women. Maybe it was Pat.
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October 26, 2010 at 6:53 am
Pat….the NCAP Gala was a glorious time and my husband and I enjoyed it very much!! It also gave him the chance to meet some of my friends that he had heard about over the years….felt like he knew them but just hadn’t met them!!! Sometimes we need that type of get together…because we work in such a “high pressure” field…
The Rachel Maddow Show…was very well done!! I hope that it might make people that were thinking maybe they would not VOTE on Nove 2nd…get out and cast their “very important vote”..lives depend on their vote!!
But again Pat…I look back on the Gala with many fond memories!!! Thank to NCAP for a “grand time” in DC!!!!
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October 26, 2010 at 8:31 am
That was a hell of a party, wasn’t it? And I forgot to write about ole Bob Packwood being there and how that caused a stir. Indeed, two “feminists” walked out that night because he was there.
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October 26, 2010 at 8:30 am
Rogie, I know the woman you spoke with re head and heart counseling and, yes, she is a very compassionate person. But i also understand how she might have reacted the way she did when you said you were pro-life.
you sound like a compassionate person yourself. What i dont understand, however, is why you feel compelled to stand outside of a clinic? I dont care if you are totally silent. Just your presence alone might make some woman very anxious. If you’re gonna pray for them, do you have to be there physically?
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October 26, 2010 at 9:42 am
i go there with my sign that says “i regret lost fatherhood.”
i never approach anyone going in, although many approach me and want to know why i regret it.
so i tell them, and some turn away, some don’t.
of the ones that do turn away, it is because they were obviously not certain of their choice.
i point them to the cpc, which is upfront about what resources are available and which aren’t.
i have seen women that i know going into the clinics, and several times, they didn’t want an abortion to begin with. but they were terrified to tell their parents that they were facing unplanned pregnancies.
that is where lifers hold responsibility for abortions. can you imagine your daughter secretly aborting because she was too scared to tell you that she was pregnant?
one every recently stayed with me for several months. through the years, i have had more pregnant housemates/guests than you can imagine.
jajajaja
the ones i do attempt to approach are the ones leaving. i am very cautious with body language, etc. i don’t want anyone to feel threatened.
if they will speak with me, the first thing i do is to ask if they are alright, or if they would like to pull over somewhere and sit for a bit.
if they will accept it, i offer them information to what post abortive resources i have available to them.
even if they won’t accept it, if they later decide that they want it, at least they know such things exist.
it’s not as though if they choose to abort that they are no longer worth my efforts.
encouraging post abortive healing is always worth my efforts.
but i can’t do that if i am not there physically.
i agree with you about the lady who runs head and heart.
i wish that she hadn’t been scared of me, although i can understand why. there are a lot of lunatics out there.
but i didn’t want to lie about why i wanted more information about the program.
i wish that program had more exposure.
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October 26, 2010 at 11:48 am
Yea, see Rog, it was Pat.
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October 26, 2010 at 5:28 pm
And Pat, Rog’s reasons for doing what he does are powerful. No?
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October 27, 2010 at 11:38 am
I understand Rog’s reasons for doing it. There is just something that feels “dirty” to me about hanging around an abortion clinic in the hopes that someone will come over to you and talk. And, of course, your goal is that they not have an abortion only because it didn’t work out that well for you. Women go through a lot when thinking about an abortion and I just wish that pro-lifers would leave them the hell alone when they walk into the clinic. I mean, don’t you folks have anything better to do? Isn’t there a homeless shelter around with a bunch of kids in it who were born because some pro-lifer probably talked them out of the abortion??
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October 27, 2010 at 2:25 pm
dirty???
ooooorale, pat, it’s not as though i am trying to hook up with them!
of course i don’t want the women to abort. i am pro-life.
but i also don’t want the ones who do to walk away wounded.
all clinics are not alike, pat.
all staffers are not alike.
i have called clinics here, posing as a man who wanted to get his daughter to abort and added “before my wife comes back in town”.
i was given times and prices and instructions, and not one word was spoken about what the daughter’s desire.
the clinics here are about business, not about people.
i know a lot of choicers who would be livid if they saw some of the situations that i see.
i see women all the time whose husbands, bf’s or parents are really the ones who want the abortion, and not the woman.
i am approached by husbands and bf’s who didn’t realize that the only reason their wife or gf is aborting is because he wants it, and not her.
sure, women put a great deal of thought into it before they abort, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the choice was hers.
there may be laws against performing abortions against a woman’s will, but if a woman doesn’t want one, but tells the staff that the choice is hers, how are they to know the truth?
and if she still chooses to abort, but will speak with me afterwards about possible healing if she needs it, how is that dirty?
even if the baby is gone, the woman ( and man if he is there ) still matter.
so my mere presence might upset someone?
how far do you think i should take that?
maybe my mere existence might upset someone?
how far should i go to avoid the possibility of upsetting someone?
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October 30, 2010 at 2:42 pm
no she didn’t.
she said that she wishes that i didn’t.
there is quite a difference.
maybe if certain people weren’t out there screaming at and stalking women, choicers wouldn’t be scared of lifers who simply want to pray in front of the clinics and offer other options or if they choose abortion anyway, offer post abortive healing.
the way i see it, the ones whose motivation is condemnation, rather than love of neighbor, harm the pro-life cause.
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October 27, 2010 at 9:29 am
Ohferchrissakes! Talk of pro-life this and pro-life that, no one word about bringing pressure to bear on the powers that be concerning decent birth control. Not one word about vasectomy. Nice parties where folks can relax and not feel bad, ad nausea!
No one discussing the importance of young women being aware of Margaret Sanger, Victoria Woodhouse, Susan B. Anthony or Planned Parenthood; the mecca of resolve for so many forgotten but harassed women.
Snip! Snip! Those right-wing family jewels, I say, and forget about the invasive procedure that is tubal ligation. Women have done enough to their bodies to be childfree. Put the spermatozoa in a sperm bank, have the vasectomy and keep women off abortion tables. This would prevent any unwanted and unplanned children. Starvation would end, overpopulation would end and war profiteers will grouse about not having enough soldiers for cannon fodder while they make their billions. True Believers would have to find some other way to entertain themselves. I suppose they would just have to have more bake sales. Yep, Snip! Snip! Damnit!
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October 27, 2010 at 11:40 am
Great post, Melissa! I guess all i can say is that we can only talk about one issue at a time very few days. But, of course, you’re absolutely right. Men need to take more responsibility. Indeed, what the hell ever happened to that male birth control pill?
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October 27, 2010 at 2:50 pm
jajajajaja
i may be opposed to articial birth control and sterilization, but you make a great point.
men need to step up to the plate, especially given that the number of married women who are already mothers that are aborting has skyrocketed.
i was discussing this with a choicer friend who thinks the main reason is the economy.
personally, i think that it is because of the behavior of their husbands or boyfriends.
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October 27, 2010 at 3:03 pm
on a side note, it’s interesting that you mention susan b anthony.
both choicers and lifers want to claim her as their own, and there is so much debate about her.
i think pat should write about her.
that would make such an excellent discussion!
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October 27, 2010 at 11:19 am
You’re on the right track, Mel. This is “the adolescent male power era.” It’s the women who suffer. Yeah, and good luck with Snip Snip.
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October 28, 2010 at 5:40 am
If this blog weren’t free, I’d pay for it, just to read things like the exchanges between Pat and Rog in #13. No where else can you find something like that. Keep it up. Elena?
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October 30, 2010 at 2:54 pm
but john, there are plenty of free blogs and pages in which you can instigate discord as you are obviously attempting to do in this case.
granted, i wish pat didn’t see my efforts as dirty, but by the same token, i wish she was as pro-life before birth as she is after birth.
just as i wish you were as pro-life after birth, as you are before birth.
but it is what it is.
maybe the reason she is bothered by my presence in front of the clinics is because people like you, who simply want attention cause those like me who want to offer solutions to the problems that those who seek abortion face, to be painted with the same brush.
i have no desire for attention, and so not very many people hear about people like me who see these people as people, rather than as a stance.
the lifers that people hear about are those who send death threats and kill doctors at church, and stalk women.
pat is a choicer and i am a lifer. we don’t agree about that matter.
but by the same token, we agree wholeheartedly about the ability of trying to help change the circumstances that those seeking abortion face, to reduce the desire for abortion.
we also wholeheartedly agree that the value that i place on life in the womb, should also be placed on life after birth.
but by all means, continue to try and create chaos when you aren’t busy creating it at people’s homes.
god bless you anyway, john. 🙂
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October 30, 2010 at 3:30 pm
What you are, Rog, is a “my way or the highway prolifer.” I meet them all the time. In your case it’s unless you have had your own child killed, and unless you regret that, and unless, therefore, you stand quietly near where other children are being killed so that perhaps others who are also going to pay someone to kill someone else or who have already done that see you and get help from that then stop being an active prolifer. I, on the other hand, am a “your prolife way is all right with me” person. The type you are have caused more problems for the prolife cause than the killers’ helpers have caused, far and away more.
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October 30, 2010 at 9:44 pm
jajajaja
is that what the voices are telling you today?
john, you are simply an advocate of vigilante justice.
you have as your company, not just people like roeder, but also people that didn’t hesitate to lynch aa black man because he was “uppidy” or looked improperly at a white woman, and so made ludicrous justifications in their own minds for supporting their acts.
you are, who you are, john.
just don’t insult my intelligence by thinking that i buy into your rationalizations, mmmmkay? 🙂
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October 31, 2010 at 5:16 am
The line between vigilante justice and guerrilla warfare separates numbers. Vigilantes are multitudinous; guerrillas minuscule. Let’s see now — of the millions of us prolifers, how many are incarcerated?
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October 31, 2010 at 4:29 pm
como digas
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October 31, 2010 at 4:49 pm
don’t understand
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February 10, 2014 at 8:01 am
Yeah that’s what I’m talking about baybi-n-ce work!
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November 1, 2010 at 9:57 am
Well, well, well, i go away for two days and look at you two boys….
Rogie, what bothers me is that a woman considering an abortion is going through hell for the most part. She is struggling with her decision. She is upset at the situation. She finally gets the courage to go to the clinic. She walks up, is very nervous about what awaits her and there you (and your buddies) are out front of the clinic. She sees you praying and knows you are an anti-abortion person. Dont you think your presence alone – albeit quiet – is upsetting to her? You are not a professional counselor, even though you went through a similar situation. Can’t you just leave well enough alone? Why do I think that Jesus would never stand in front of a clinic, hoping to catch the eye of a woman who is in a very difficult situation?
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November 1, 2010 at 10:14 pm
i understand what you are saying patty.
i will give what you are saying some thought. actually, i had already been giving what you said some thought.
i know that they are going through a hard enough time already.
and although i never told you that i am not a professional counselor, i will confess that i’m not since you confessed that you’re not an effeminate man.
jajajaja
but i can lead them to people who are professional counselors, and if they are unscathed by their experience, then glory to god for being merciful.
if they decide years later that it weighs on their hearts, then they will be aware that there is help for them and they don’t have to live with any pain that they have.
this past week, i have been in touch with a woman who approached me.
i won’t go into details of her situation other than to say that she had her abortion.
even though the baby is gone, she’s not.
and to me, she matters.
why don’t you message me on facebook?
my name is rogelio tavera. i have a pic of our lady of perpetual help as the main photo.
seriously, message me.
you did something for me, and i am passing it on to someone else, and it will give me a chance to thank you personally.
maybe jesus would stand in front of a clinic and maybe he wouldn’t.
but he would leave the 99 sheep that he knew were alright to go get the one sheep that wasn’t.
because that one sheep matters.
my efforts can’t stop at the delivery room door, nor should they stop if a woman aborts her baby.
because she still matters.
as i said, please bear in mind that all clinics aren’t the same.
the clinics here aren’t like lorraine’s clinic. the clinics here are about money, not about the women who enter.
i’d still like to know how far you feel i should go to avoid the possibility of upsetting someone with my presence.
maybe there are some people who read your blog who are upset that i am here and am an anti?
do you want me not to come here anymore because my presence might possibly upset someone?
if you do, i would be disappointed, but i would respect that.
maybe i should drop out of every pro-life page i am on, because i can guarantee you that my mere presence upsets some of the other lifers, as i don’t hesitate to call someone out when they start spewing venom towards choicers or someone who has aborted, and think it should go unchecked.
jajajajaja
but i would really like to know how far you feel i should go to avoid the possibility of upsetting someone. i’m not saying i will do whatever you want me to, but i think you’re a cool person and i respect your opinion.
god bless you, patty.
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November 1, 2010 at 10:59 am
Because Jesus would never do that, Pat. Instead, he would get a weapon and use it to clear out the place.
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November 1, 2010 at 10:19 pm
that’s sick
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November 2, 2010 at 4:32 am
Remember what he did to the money changers in the temple? And they weren’t even directly killing people.
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November 1, 2010 at 11:00 am
And enough of this going away, Pat. When you’re gone, nothing happens around here.
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