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December 9, 2010 at 6:00 am
Will you young folks please say something I can respond to? Hasn’t anyone told you that making fun of your opponent or cursing him kills your own argument? It’s known as an ad hom (to the man rather than to the topic) and it’s something people who have already lost the argument resort to. Now I know you can do better than that. Try it.
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December 9, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Note all: Mr. Dunkle has been asked repeatedly why he can’t or won’t care for born– real human life– and has never responded. A survey of his responses reveals very little of substance regarding the whole issue. He has never addressed the gap between what he believes human life needs and what he fails to provide for it.
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December 10, 2010 at 10:56 am
I’m going to make Chuckles ask me a question if it kills me. Here it is:
Chuckles: John, do you care for human beings after, as well as before, they are born?
Me: Yes.
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December 10, 2010 at 11:01 am
That’s not to say Chuckles hasn’t asked me a question before; he’s asked me hundreds of them. But each has been either a lie — why would you make someone have a baby? or unanswerable — why won’t you give someone your dog.
The one I made up for him, above, is clear and easily answered and could possible lead somewhere.
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December 10, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Attention all: Notice that Dunkle has still not answered why he will not or cannot care for a real child. And he didn’t have lots of kids– he only had five. “Lots” starts at eight.
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December 10, 2010 at 6:37 pm
See, if you press Charles, you can get him to talk straight. I do see a question here, (before the crap): “Why will you not, or why can you not, care for a real child?”
My answer is, “I will care for her, and I can care for her.”
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December 11, 2010 at 7:23 am
Notice that Dunkle could just as accurately say, “I will be President, and I can be President.”
But he is not and he cannot, just as he is not caring for a child and cannot care for a real child.
It’s rather creepy that he chooses a female.
It is a trait of the aborticentric to fantasize about caring and to misrepresent him- or herself . It is necessary to do so in order to maintain the persona of the unappreciated hero.
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December 11, 2010 at 6:01 pm
That makes good sense CG
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December 12, 2010 at 5:27 am
Why will you not, or why can you not, care for real children?
I will care for them and I can care for them
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December 12, 2010 at 5:31 am
If this stuff is starting to bore you, folks, that’s what happens when you talk to Chuckles. I once persuaded to leave this blog (because I suspected what would happen) and we conversed privately — 150 exchanges. Chuckles would ask questions like the above, and I’d answer them. Got nowhere.
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December 12, 2010 at 6:51 am
Actually I didn’t persuade him, I tricked him into it. Chuckles doesn’t like it when someone sees through him, so I had to pretend not to be able to.
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January 18, 2011 at 11:21 am
Man, time flies. The last comment her was my own of December 12. Can’t somebody say something? Look I don’t care if it comes from Rog’s land of ladeda, or Chuckles’ land of father revenge, or Sophia’s land of sex-obsession, or even from the high schooler’s land of illiteracy. Just something.
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January 26, 2011 at 9:06 am
OK, me again then. The 38th annual March For Life was held on Monday, the 24th, instead of the anniversary of Roe, the 22nd. I don’t know why. The crowd was huge, composed mostly by kids from “Catholic” high schools who will do anything for a free day. New pro-life politicos spoke and there must be a ton of ’em because the brief speeches took forever. The hard part is standing for an hour or two on the frozen turf till the crowd begins slowly to move from the Mall to the Supreme Court.
I attended the first thirty-four because it is heady. But now I’ve decided that it serves the killers’ purposes: it keeps us from seeing reality and dealing with it realistically. However, as with almost all of my decisions, I’m open to counter-arguments.
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January 26, 2011 at 11:38 am
“It serves the killers’ purposes; it keeps us from seeing reality and dealing with it realistically.”
How does it do that? I think that the demonstration is a powerful tool for continuing and improving the group’s cohesion and sense of affirmation. I can’t see how it “serves the killers’ purposes” or keeps the members of the group from “seeing reality.”
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January 26, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Good comment, Chuckles. It does do what you say in the second sentence of paragraph 2, but I would certainly drop the word “powerful.” It’s been going on for thirty-eight years and it has saved few lives. Thus, since the killers want to get rich easily, it has served them there. The pleasant annual trek (even if the weather’s bad) makes us forget that only pain and sacrifice will end this holocaust.
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January 26, 2011 at 5:09 pm
What sort of pain and sacrifice? I think I certainly did my share of sacrifice for children for over a generation, but there never was any pain to speak of. How’s it different?
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January 26, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Sacrifice my butt, Chuckles. What you call sacrifice is feel-good activity. What I’m talking about is excoriation, alienation, jail, execution. That’s what I’m talking about.
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January 26, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Wouldn’t it have been better if I’d written, “excoriation, alienation, incarceration, and execution”?
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January 27, 2011 at 4:10 pm
It would have been more professionally argumentative. Excoriation– getting chewed out– doesn’t seem to qualify as real pain. Is it sacrifice? Alienation doesn’t seem to be chosen, so it’s not sacrifice. How does it cause pain for you? Imprisonment: A friend of mine was in prison with Thurgood Marshall’s grandson, and the most painful part of it was deciding who was going to have to get the lower bunk. Was prison painful or a sacrifice for you, and in what way? And if execution is the result of an action voluntarily chosen, is it a sacrifice? Depending on the method, it might not be painful. Paul Hlll didn’t let it bother him, I recall.
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January 27, 2011 at 5:58 pm
You lost me here, C. Can’t you just ask a simple, easy question, or make a plain statement. Your trouble is you think I’m as smart as you, and I ain’t. In a debate, which you are trying to create here, you win hands down.
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January 26, 2011 at 11:02 pm
It appears to me that Dunkle is a supreme bore.
I don’t know why anyone bothers discussing anyone who writes without any sense of literacy or knowledge of the issue.
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January 27, 2011 at 7:28 am
Back again, Henry? I thought I’d squashed you.
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January 27, 2011 at 8:57 am
I agree, this Dunkle does not write any thing worth reading.
The others are pretty intelligent.
I have not seen Dunkle “squash” anyone in his writings. His writings are like the rants of a preschooler. Is Dunkle old enough to create an intelligent response? I doubt it.
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January 27, 2011 at 9:01 am
Henry,
Where did this Dumbkle think he outwitted you?
Or Dumbkle, where do you think you did what you say?
Or more importantly, if you are as smart as you think you are, can you support your position of harassing innocent people, or supporting convicted murderers instead?
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January 27, 2011 at 1:35 pm
OK, on this one, I will do it for you:
Lostris: Dumbkle,why do you harass innocent people?
I: Neither you nor I, L, know if someone is guilty or innocent. I harass baby killers because I want to discourage others from becoming baby killers, and I have occasionally succeeded in doing that. No sane person wants an ugly old man like me standing outside his home holding my “A Killer Lives Here” sign.
Deal with that first and then we can go to the next question — “Dumbkle, why do you support convicted murderers?”
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January 27, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Question 1: Is excoriation– getting chewed out: either a sacrifice or suffering? If so, how?
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January 28, 2011 at 5:52 am
It all depends on who does it. It can be very painful.
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January 28, 2011 at 7:16 am
How painful is that? So painful that it’s:
–left you sobbing in a closet?
–made you suicidal?
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January 28, 2011 at 11:10 am
No, but painful still. It is very painful to get excoriated by someone you respect, and even more-so by someone you love.
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January 28, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Okay.
Now, where does the alienation come from? And is it painful, or is it a sacrifice?
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January 28, 2011 at 3:22 pm
We’re on a roll, Chuck, we’ve never done this before. Even the relatively slight alienation I’ve experienced because I publicly approve of breaking the laws that enable the culture of death to thrive is so disconcerting that it verges on pain. The alienation of people like Randall Terry, Shelley Shannon, Eric Rudolph and Peter Knight is a hundred times worse.
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January 29, 2011 at 9:06 am
Umm, I think your idea of “alienation” is different from mine. Can you define it for me?
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February 1, 2011 at 10:30 am
I use “alienation” to name the feeling of being alone, to think that no one cares about you (possibly not even God), and to suspect that their dislike, even their hatred, is, perhaps, merited.
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January 28, 2011 at 12:31 pm
So, are you serious that you will not attend any more rallies? Aren’t they useful in that they rile up the troops, gets them all excited so when they go back home and can carry out their mission? I’m serious….
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January 28, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Sure, but what’s their mission. It’s to go home and forget about the ten youngsters who will be pulled apart the next day; vote for a pro-lifer, unless, of course, he’s not the kind of racist they like; attack those fellow or sister pro-lifers who approve of combating violence forcefully; and so on. However, I might change my mind.
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January 29, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Not that I like the march, but I think it’s a useful tool to keep the troops riled up/organized/energized. Every organization should have some kind of annual event. Indeed, the pro-choice organizations have their events as well. When I was at NCAP, we had annual meetings. PS – they are also good fundraisers…
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January 29, 2011 at 8:13 pm
I suppose you’re right there.
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January 30, 2011 at 11:03 am
Actually, there’s a good question: Do you contribute money to the RTL Committee, the Pro-life action League, Op Rescue?
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January 30, 2011 at 8:05 pm
I do to Op Rescue, Randall
Terry, Prisoners for Christ, Neal Horsley, Dan Holman, and probably to a few others. But only occasionally and very little.
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February 1, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Do any of those people support or have ever supported the idiocy of “Justifiable Homicide” as the crazy ProLifers define it regarding Abortion.
Or do they just lie constantly like Dunkle?
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February 25, 2011 at 8:38 am
Who is the lunatic in the picture?
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