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August 2, 2010 at 8:19 am
“What sort of idiot would let a toddler gambol at the edge of an abyss?” — the same sort of idiot, like me (or Charles), who would let an even younger child get carried into a place where someone will shortly pull off his arms and legs.
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August 2, 2010 at 2:32 pm
It’s not about the “unborn human,” and it’s not about the woman, Pat. It’s about his triumph over his own death and oblivion.
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August 2, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Pat, nobody kills another unless he or she “is in that situation” — desperate. But the law should protect people from desperadoes.
Charles, #2.
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August 2, 2010 at 5:50 pm
A pretty sentiment, John, but not grounded in reality. Military, executioners, hit men– none of them ipso facto desperate. They have a job to do, and they do it. I like your pitch to “protection,” though. That’s a pretty good rhetorical device to get people thinking that’s what you offer. If you can sell them on the concept of the “pre-born innocent,” you’re golden!
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August 2, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Sure, there are cold-blooded killers, or killers’ helpers, too, Charles, like yourself. I’m talking about the hot-blooded ones
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August 2, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Legs, arms, torso, torture, blah, blah. I get it, John, I get it. And, yes, that’s what abortion is at some point. It’s not pretty. Can you ever project a little, have a little vision and think about the woman who is in that situation? Any feelings for her?
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August 2, 2010 at 5:45 pm
His short answer: No.
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August 3, 2010 at 4:44 am
That’s my long answer too.
Well, fait accompli! When Pat told me weeks ago that I had my own blog here, I jumped for joy. But then depressing news came in — Charles had one too. And not only that, his was more popular. I couldn’t believe it as I watched his numbers climb rapidly while mine moved hardly at all. Shortly he had 190 hits and I had half that.
So I resolved – Charles will never beat me at anything, and I became more provocative, and the hits started rolling in. Everybody forgot about Charles (which is the way it should be). So this, No. 194, now ties Charles for the lead. May the best man win, ahem.
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August 6, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Hmmmm
Doesn’t that somewhat seem to affirm the stance of others that you simply want attention?
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August 6, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Goldarnit, SB! Are you really my wife?
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August 7, 2010 at 1:23 am
Johnny, if I were your wife, you would have better things to do with your time than stand outside of someone’s house protesting what they do for a living. 🙂
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August 15, 2010 at 4:13 am
touche
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August 3, 2010 at 5:46 am
I am lying at the foot of a dunghill, utterly ravaged by your superior tactics and resolve! What a fool I am to think that I could best the best of the best of the aborticentrics.
And obviously I’m not getting much traction trying to point out to people that apart from being a married father of five you haven’t, like the vast majority of aborticentrics, cared a fig for what happens to born children. I guess I should just pack it in.
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August 3, 2010 at 9:44 am
What do you mean I don’t care about born children, I care about you, don’t I?
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August 3, 2010 at 10:13 am
Only insofar as I am the vessel of your ambition, John. . .
You’re in denial as to just how much you need feedback for validation in your quest for immortality. Positive is nice, but you’ll settle for negative because it affirms that people are noticing YOU. Like Skipper, a friend of my son’s, who was the near-criminal delinquent ten-year-old at YMCA day camp.
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August 3, 2010 at 11:52 am
Mr. Dunkle: I wanted to tell you that on Friday night I went to the abortionists house1 I stood out there for about two hours, then he actually came out! I hate to say it but he was very nice, offered me a coke, asked me about my family and why I was out there. I told him I was praying for him to stop the killing. He gave me this garbage about how the women were coming to him on their own. We talked for about 30 minutes and he kind of freaked me out when he said he would “see you next week”!! I am not sure what kind of effect i had on him. Please help!
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August 3, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Wow! Nothing like that ever happened to me! You must look presentable.
See him for sure. Talk with him several times. At that point give him the ultimatum: “I plan to hold my ‘A KILLER LIVES HERE’ sign next time.”
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August 3, 2010 at 11:55 am
Hmmmm. . . It sounds like he’s heard about aborticentrism, Bruce. I’d ask him what he knows about it the next time you’re there.
Whatever else you do, try not to think of ejecting any spittle on your next visit! He might get the wrong message.
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August 3, 2010 at 2:38 pm
By the way, Bruce– you still haven’t answered my question as to what the relative merits are of both raising a child and stalking an abortionist.
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August 4, 2010 at 8:17 am
This guy CG is on drugs. I feel like I’ve answered your stupid question..There are merits to both activities, raising my kid is probably highest on the scale. But stopping the killilng is also very important. How the frig do you weigh these things? Have I answered your goddamn question yet, dickhead?
And, John, I’m going back on Friday night. I’ve got three signs..
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August 4, 2010 at 8:30 am
YOu’re so focused on abortion you don’t want to have to answer the question of what the relative merits are of each of your endeavors, Bruce.
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August 5, 2010 at 10:34 am
Geez, CG, he’s answered the darn question already! He says both activities have their merits, raising his child is higher on this scale. What the heck more do you want from him?
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August 4, 2010 at 12:48 pm
PS, Bruce– does your child know you use foul language? What might that use say about your awareness of the needs of child development?
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August 5, 2010 at 10:35 am
C’mon, CG, you dont use foul language? How do you know he uses it in front of his kids? Is “goddamn” really foul?
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August 5, 2010 at 11:42 am
Pat, see both my replies about Bruce at #21.
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August 3, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Don’t fall for it, Bruce. When Charles persists in asking you to answer his question, it means you’re off to the races and in a month or two you’ll return full circle.
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August 4, 2010 at 1:39 pm
I guess that explains why you didn’t have the courage to continue to answer mine. 🙂
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August 4, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Don’t get upset, SB. Some of my best friends were gay. But what the heck is your question?
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August 5, 2010 at 10:36 am
Sugar is gay? Very cool. But, yes, Sugar, what was your question??
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August 6, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I have several question that were left unanswered.
They are at the end of his half answered replies.
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August 6, 2010 at 1:01 pm
“Sugar is gay? ”
You obviously have never seen me walk. 😛
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August 6, 2010 at 6:04 pm
If this is a question, SB, you’re ever worse than Charles.
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August 4, 2010 at 5:31 am
John’s right, Bruce! The important thing is to live a life without understanding why you do what you do and how your actions affect others. Millions live just in that way. They’re called lumpenproletariat, and they spend most of their life being used.
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August 4, 2010 at 5:46 pm
“LUMPENPROLETARIAT” — good grief, is Charles a pinko, or even, God forgive us, a red? Thank God this guy entered my life as I was about to forget it.
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August 5, 2010 at 10:37 am
OK, John, lemme ask this since you say Sugar is gay. Do you have any problems with gay people?
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August 5, 2010 at 11:09 am
I love ’em, but I think they should recognize their handicap and adjust just as I think an amputee should recognize his handicap and not compete against normal people.
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August 6, 2010 at 8:53 am
Not exactly sure what that means, John. Do you support gay marriage?
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August 6, 2010 at 11:51 am
Course not.
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August 6, 2010 at 12:52 pm
LOL
I bet your panties are in a wad these days, aren’t they?
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August 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Huh?
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August 7, 2010 at 1:25 am
Sugar Britches Says:
August 6, 2010 at 12:52 pm
LOL
I bet your panties are in a wad these days, aren’t they?
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John Dunkle Says:
August 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Huh?
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August 6, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Would mental handicaps be included in handicaps those that should be recognized when competing with “normal” people? 🙂
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August 6, 2010 at 6:06 pm
You might have me here, SB. This is too tough for me.
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August 6, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Don’t hate me because I’m faaaaaabulous!
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August 5, 2010 at 11:40 am
I’m sure he loves Negores, too, Pat, and feels the same about them.
You do have to remember he’s 70, and allow for the neurological changes he’s undergoing. As with Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, etc……
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August 5, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Pat– Foul language: I do not use swear words, period. This is not due to saintliness on my part, but because I was taught to be very self-repressing as a child. There are a lot of people like me who swallow their anger and never let society know. They display it instead in their blood pressure. An overwhelming number of them are sweet, overweight and elderly black people. They pay for it by either dying early or living for years incapacitated by stroke. ( I do THINK them often enough, however.)
I don’t like to hear four-year olds greet me with words like “You fucker!” I don’t know that it’s happened to you, but it’s happened in this town. I don’t suppose you’d want your baby at any age to be calling people “dickhead” when he can do so anonymously, as Bruce has done.
Bruce’s behavior I find disturbing. Scratch a so-called “pro-lifer” and find an underlying stream of viciousness? I believe the reason he goes over the top rather than continue in a reasoned discussion is that he is sensing powerlessness to which he can only respond by reverting to a lower level of mental control, letting loose the more animal impulses.
This clearly is not a good role model for children in this given situation. Which is why I wonder if his child knows he talks like this.
However, I believe that Bruce’s conduct is typical of very many so-called “pro-lifers.” He just let the mask slip, that’s all.
He has NOT answered my question! To say “there are some good points to be said for both” is sheer laziness if not crafty avoidance on his part. Were I Bruce, this is the sort of answer I would give:
The merits of raising a child: 1. You get to impress upon them the values you feel are worthy in life and the skills you feel will help them cope well. 2. Dependent deductions on taxes. 3. You have a chance to avoid the errors your parents made. 4. You get to do with them all the things you wanted to do when you were a kid. 5. Admiring looks from women not your wife who see you carrying the baby. 6. Baleful glances from their husbands who see you carrying the baby. 7. Warm fuzzygrams from teachers on the kid’s school performance. 8. Learning about the world through the eyes of a juvenile. 9. Being seen as a source of power and authority. 10. Earning the trust of a child. 11. Being appreciated for changing diapers and getting up for 2 AM feedings. 12. Knowing I’m a good provider and a good dad.
None of this has crossed Bruce’s mind, you must understand.
Now: so-called “pro-life” stalker: 1. Being seen as a hero for the unborn. 2. Fighting agains torture. 3. Being favored of God. 4. Time commitment much more flexible than parenting. 5. Being creative. 6. Earning credit in Heaven. 7. Earning praise from people of the same ilk as I. 8. Reducing the number of abortions. 9. Able to set aside the work whenever I want to. 10. I make the rules.
However, as I am not Bruce, I can only guess at what he might have to say. That he cannot engage in this discourse is sad, and it also makes me wonder whether his job at the Children’s Defense Fund isn’t in the mailroom.
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August 5, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Is John Dunkle reaching out to the GBLT community?
Better watch out, Sugar Britches! He’ll be in front of your house next….
To check it out, cut and past this link:
http://twitpic.com/2bq5h4
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August 5, 2010 at 7:03 pm
I would never reach out the the GLBT community because by that time they are beyond my help, at least. But before that, I love ’em. I mean, St. Francis of Asissi? Come-on!
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August 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm
St Francis of Assisi?
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August 6, 2010 at 1:09 pm
The patron saint of San Francisco!
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August 6, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Yeah
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August 6, 2010 at 12:58 pm
John Dunkle Says:
July 31, 2010 at 10:12 am
Nothing, I think, in their homes. It’s what they do outside their homes.
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Sugar Britches Says:
July 31, 2010 at 10:47 am
Then why protest at a place where there is nothing that you take issue with?
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August 6, 2010 at 6:09 pm
I take issue with someone who kills, or help kills, innocent human beings. So should you, SB.
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August 7, 2010 at 1:32 am
I do. That’s why I don’t support the war in Iraq.
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August 7, 2010 at 3:59 am
me too
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August 8, 2010 at 11:41 pm
Sugar Britches Says:
August 7, 2010 at 8:39 am
So you just gave up and decided to vie with a weaker opponent?
Not very ambitious are you?
Why didn’t you go to the bishop?
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John Dunkle Says:
August 7, 2010 at 6:33 pm
He was gay, and you know what that means — a killers’ helper like yourself.
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LOL
Being gay and being pro-choice are not connected. There are plenty of gay anti-choicers, Johhny.
How did you find out he was gay? Did he hit on you?
Anyway, there is no reason why you can’t expand your horizons ( with the churches, not the bishop ) and protest other churches that you feel are neutral.
I’m sure there’s more than one church in your city.
You would get far more exposure protesting churches than you would staff members.
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August 11, 2010 at 9:07 am
Too many points here; I’ll just address the first paragraph — show me one active homosexual who is also against baby killing. I’ve never known of one!
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August 6, 2010 at 12:59 pm
John Dunkle Says:
July 31, 2010 at 10:19 am
You kind of mangled this question, SB. First I’ll rephrase it and then answer the rephrased question. If that’s not satisfactory, try again.
Question: When you protest the way you do, John, you upset lots of neighbors, neutral people who have no stake in this issue. Are you comfortable with upsetting them too?
Answer: I am, SB, because every citizen has a stake in a law that allows some people to kill others. Those who try to stay away from the issue, are actually more guilty than those who get involved.
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Sugar Britches Says:
July 31, 2010 at 10:50 am
Actually, I did not mangle the question, I would venture to say that you did not like the question and wanted it rephrased.
That would have been simple enough for you to remedy.
But be that as it may, given the answer that you gave, that those who remain neutral, and that you believe that you are on a mission from your god, why not protest in front of churches that are not involved with your protests?
Surely as your fellow christians they should have the same stakes as you do in this.
Why not protest that they remain neutral?
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August 6, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Good idea, and I’ve lived a long time, and I’ve done that.
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August 7, 2010 at 1:31 am
So what made you stop?
Surely you feel that they should share your “higher level of understanding”, but simply refuse to act on it.
Why not hold them accountable, rather than someone who is “lost”?
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August 7, 2010 at 4:09 am
It didn’t work, SB. It was a Catholic church in Dobbs Ferry, NY, near a killing mill. The message I distributed ran something like this: your church teaches that they’ve been killing about fifty people a week down the street. Don’t you think it’s about time you joined the few people who protest that activity?
The pastor there tried to stop me from distributing the message. (That’s why I hold Catholics, and especially the Catholic clergy, particularly responsible for this holocaust.)
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August 7, 2010 at 8:39 am
So you just gave up and decided to vie with a weaker opponent?
Not very ambitious are you?
Why didn’t you go to the bishop?
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August 7, 2010 at 6:33 pm
He was gay, and you know what that means — a killers’ helper like yourself.
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August 6, 2010 at 1:00 pm
John Dunkle Says:
July 31, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, but lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil, amen. And other things.
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Sugar Britches Says:
July 31, 2010 at 11:02 pm
And you believe that “as we forgive those who tresspass against us…” doesn’t conflict with “A killer lives here” that is directed at the families of the people that you take issue with?
They deserve condemnation for loving someone that you disagree with?
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August 6, 2010 at 5:53 pm
I like you, SB. You don’t run and hide.
But no, it doesn’t conflict. To forgive a trespasser doesn’t mean to tell him it’s just fine to keep killing.
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August 7, 2010 at 1:27 am
So children who love their mother are subject to your harrassment because you have issues with something that she does?
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August 7, 2010 at 3:47 am
Yes.
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August 7, 2010 at 8:45 am
You realize that this is why people think that you have no concern for born children, yes?
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August 7, 2010 at 6:19 pm
no
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